Why will you get it or why will you skip it? Share them here in the comments with the community? BTW, DNG Download link revealed in the video so you can play with them and see if this camera is for you.
It would be a huge camera. Look at the sigma 18-55 f2.8. While it’s small it doesn’t make a Sony A6700 pocket compact. Another reason why this lens crops into the sensor. Because designing a fast lens that cover the whole sensor would’ve made the camera big. Unless the less would be like a bad apsc with an aperture of f3.5-5.6
I have my D-Lux 8 and totally pleased. It is a Leica not Panasonic. Fits in well with my other Leica equipment. Picture files are great with excellent color.
As a Q3 owner I’ve been looking for a camera to take out when the Q3 is too much. I even have a Small LUMIX Body with a Leica Lens, but I think this is the perfect camera!!! Can’t wait for my pre-order to come in!!!
I don't see any of the reviewers discussing the massive creative and significant IQ advantage of the multi-aspect ratio sensor, which uses the entire image circle of the lens in either 4:3, 3:2 or 16:9. 1:1 is cropped from 4:3 instead of the smaller 3:2. The multi-aspect ratio sensor is why I'd get it. Plus, the lens is very sharp, being all glass. 16:9 at 24mm also results in close to 22mm wide. Why don't photographers care about being able to use the entire image circle of the lens in these formats, instead of having to crop everything from 3:2?
@@GastonShutters I did see it mentioned, but the advantages not explained. Did you do a review in which you did explain them? Most photographers don't even understand what's happening when the dial is turned, how the oversized sensor functions and what the advantages are. As far as I know, this is the last camera that's being offered with multi-aspect, unless a 10 MP M43 Panasonic is still being offered, which doesn't have IS or IBIS, and is designed for video. Gordon Laing was one of the few reviewers who would explain what multi-aspect does, but didn't really explain its advantages. Panasonic never marketed it well. Thanks.
@@GastonShutters It also helps us think in terms of what is the best aspect ratio for this shot while shooting. Because 3:2 is often not the best aspect ratio. And I really love getting a wider than 24mm field of view when shooting in 16:9, which can also be cropped in post to panos 2:1 or the XPAN 65:24. I've long believed that oversized crop sensors should be the norm in all cameras, instead of having to crop everything from 3:2. Being able to capture more of what the lens sees should have been on the top of many photographers' and manufacturers' list, but it's hardly ever mentioned. I'm now using Fuji's GFX 100S medium format with my Canon full frame EF lenses so I can capture most of what these lenses see. All 35mm lenses can be shot in square (33x33mm) and pano (65:24) without vignetting, using the full image circle of the lenses. Petal lens hoods have to be sawed off though. Other ratios may vignette, but are a dream come true for me. No longer stuck in 3:2
That's a great point. I've been pondering a lot lately how inconvenient it is to rotate the whole camera 90 degrees just to take a portrait format shot, when surely the answer would be to use a square (1:1) sensor. I doubt camera manufacturers will do anything quite that radical any time soon, so this seems to be the next-best-thing. Of course the Q3 also solves that problem by having a huge number of pixels to play with.
I have a dlux 109. Honestly, a camera like this is all you need lol. I have mirrorless cameras and have more fun with my 109 than I do with those. To many people fetishize about lenses, megapixels, sensors, and on and on and on.
I too use a 109 and it is fully capable for my needs. The D-Lux 8 would be even better. I have 2 Lumix full frame cameras and I achieve better results with the 109. Note, I did not say the 109 has better image quality, I take better pictures with the D-Lux. I’ll likely go for the 8.
Agree! The Type 109 produced imaged that I can't seem to get from the D-Lux 7. Not enough upgrades for the move from D-Lux 7 to 8, but I honestly still have dreams about what the Type-109 could do. Sad I sold mine.
Good conclusion. I was blown away by the looks of the D-Lux 8 (who wouldn't be), but since stepping down from cloud 9, I've realised this Leica is not for me. I'm going to stick with Olympus, or OM-System as they're now called, and probably go for the E-P7 which despite not having a viewfinder, is a far better tool than the D-Lux. The E-P7 has a tilting LCD which makes up for the lack of an EVF, unsurpassed 5-axis stabilisation, and of course interchangeable lenses. Having a Ricoh GR(D), I've got so used to working without a viewfinder, so the lack of one really isn't a problem. And of course I still own two E-M1's so if it pours with rain, which it does often here in England, both my E-M1's are weather-sealed.
Yeah looks are amazing. But it’s not the most complete camera specs wise out there. I want it for photos and it does that really good. Love how fast it was and long battery life. That sold me.
Print size has no relation to resolution the same way as you can have a 100” 720p display. Yes it’s possible to print large photos with only 17mp but you’ll run into drawbacks such as seeing the individual pixels. If you want seamless detailed prints you’ll most likely want to print in the 300 dpi range. A 300dpi print at 4736 x 3552 (the cameras max resolution) will give you a max print size of ~15x11”.
I really appreciate you providing those DNG files. Those were really helpful in getting a better real world understanding of the cameras strengths and weaknesses.
I am craving for this as my EDC camera. It feels very very nice. I want something small, inspiring and with great IQ to carry it with me all the time. I just recently switched to Leica so I want to keep it within the new family so not really thinking about other brands now. I will take a look at those DNG. Thank you!!
I wasn't even aware the D-LUX 7 does not have DNG support. Does it matter? All D-LUX cameras ALWAYS supported the RWL RAW format (probably the same as on the Panasonic version). I have the older type 109 D-LUX. I bought it used from a Leica store with extra batteries, the grip and a hand strap in mint condition with box for USD600 - a steal. It's 12MP with the largest 4:3 crop. By the way, depending on your motive and the scene, you can print MUCH larger with "low" resolution cameras. I have printed up to 30x40 inches from 12MP files. The prints looks amazing and at that size, nobody is going to press their nose against the glass of the frame to pixel peep. At any suitable viewing distance, nobody is going to ever guess these prints were made with 15 year old cameras that only had 12MP. That said, the difference between the D-LUX 8 with its ~17MP and the type 109 with its 12MP is not very large either.
Thats a steal of a price man. Good job. 10-12 MP is more than enough for 24x36 more or less. DNGs seem to be smaller and easier to handle by older computers I believe
@@GastonShutters I think the fuss with the DNGs is so you can easily edit them on a mobile device. If you edit on a computer, then all of the previous models also support RAW equally. In my opinion. I am not a DNG purist.
I want something I can carry with me everywhere without an extra bag. I used to have regular camera with different lenses, and it made me quitting photography. Hope I’ll enjoy getting back on track with the D Lux 8 😊
@GastonShutters I reviewed the files you indicated, and I didn't like the quality of the files. Lack of resolution and basic sharpness. Perhaps, if it were a monochrome sensor, where the light hits directly on the sensor without color filters, the image would have more sharpness and resolution. The Sony ZV-E1 has only 12 megapixel, and generates crisp, high-resolution files. Therefore, small megapixel is not a problem. But the quality of the sensor is very important. When I mean black and white, it's not by color, but by the quality of a sensor without the colored filters. I have a Canon R6 Mark II. I want a small camera with a minimum of file quality. I'd stick with the Fujifilm X100VI instead of the DLux 8. My score is 3/10 for the DLux file. 10/10 for your work. Thanks.
Zooming in at 200% you’ll find the limit of the lens and sensor. But who needs to zoom in in real life. I’ve print it from it already and the image looks amazing again it’s not a full frame camera but that resolution is good enough for most situation.
So sad, it doesn't have the new 25 MP MFT Sensor, together with PDAF. And weather sealing, too. *This* would make the D-Lux 8 outstanding. And best of all - i'd love to see a IF zoom, which means, from 24-75mm, no change into length, physically.
Totally agree. I was so tempted to buy the Ricoh GRiii, but got put off by no weather seal on the camera. The D LUX 8 would of been perfect for me with an APSC sensor.
The lens would’ve been huge if it was Apsc. Thats why even with a micro 4/3 sensor of 21MP the lens can only cover 17mp effectively. Size is the problem with zoom lenses.
Great video while keeping it honest.Sad to say i am not impressed with the D-Lux 8 and it's old M43 sensor at 17MP and without sensor IS in the year 2024.We should have gotten at least a 1.5x crop sensor with IS and closer to 40MP,better VF and that would have been a "baby" Q3 with maybe a 28mm or 35mm F/1.8 lens for $3,000 max.This camera is a rebadged LX100 II that's out for 6 years already.I am not a Fuji fanboy but i would pick the X-100 VI over this any day.
No optical zoom sure but the Fuji does crop in on the sensor multiple times for a “digital zoom”. Punching in a few times gives you an equivalent focal length with a comparable resolution. Sure at the “zoomed in” focal length you’re not getting 40mp, but you are getting similar output to the Leica.
it's a better polished D Lux 7, but is it worth to upgrade if you have 7 already? doubtful. The only benefit i see here for those who want to jump in a Leica brand that D lux 7 on the used market are gonna become cheaper and more offers will be available
I tested this camera mainly for photo. The quality seems 8 bit 4:2:0 mp4 I believe. I did not perform a recording length test. But I’m assuming about 10-15 minutes. Again I tested a prototype, not final firmware so we will have to wait to see what this camera will have as final specs.
I'm considering this as a more casual carry than my Ms and film cameras. Res and M4/3 is fine for general purpose use and I don't use video. Just a nice, practical, reasonable (?!) value, viewfinder camera that produces good images, DNGs, has a good battery and is served by a good phone app (Fotos). For me, a more flexible alternative to X100/GR/RX100. I'd have loved more weather sealing and flexibility of in-camera Looks, but I suspect Looks will come in firmware once the Lux app launch is dealt with - launching both at the same time was odd...
My last camera is the Fuji X-T10 which i think is already quite obsolete after 9 years. would the D-Lux 8 be a good upgrade for a casual travel camera? liking the zoom capability vs the fuji x100 or GR3 fixed length. trying to travel light these days without needing to bring a camera bag with lenses.
Check out the DNGs and decide for yourself. I personally liked the image quality. If a camera was great 7 years ago for photo it’s great today as well. That notion that all of the sudden we need to reinvent the wheel with every release is kind of wrong IMO
I checked the DNG files out. I'd say this camera is the sweet spot for quality and size. Can't figure out what to bring? Throw this in your bag and it can probably cover 90% of your needs.
I doubt I’ll get the camera but not because of any failings in the camera itself. I have a M11 and a Q2 and I can’t justify adding this. The image quality would likely be about the same once the files have been processed through DxO PureRaw4 or Topaz Photo AI but if I want a small carry camera I’ll use the M11 and if I want autofocus I’ll use the Q2. The sensors on both allow me to crop to the equivalent of the zoom on the D-Lux.
I am looking forward to this camera. Had DLux 4 and the prints are still hanging around the house, Loved the colors etc. However I did purchased back then SOny RX 100 III and still use one until this day next to my SL2S. Love the size and overall picture quality, Was looking forward to Sony updating RX line with either RX 100 VIII or RX2. DId not happened so I do look forward to this Leica DLux 8. Does it have it B/W presets? I like the pictures, lets hope it will compete with the old RX 100 well.
Hi, I like photographing but I'm not into all the technical stuff, I just take pictures I like. I stilll use my Nikon D40X with a Nikkor 18-200mm lens. I'm now looking at the Leica D Lux 8. What would be the benefits of switching from my D40X (besides size and weight)? I don't have the funds for an upgrade to a Leica that would cost $6000, so the D Lux 8 is a compromise.
By looking at multiple reviews, it seems that there won't be Leica Looks in the D-LUX 8. But then, nobody really got the final firmware so there's still hope, I don't know. It would have been logical for Leica to implement the Leica Looks, as users can experience it for free (more or less) on a smartphone. It would go in the right direction, just like making a great UI, putting USB-C (probably because of EU regulations, but it's still great), implementing newer bluetooth... As a photographer, I think that you don't necessarily need the Leica Looks. But then, when you want to use the D-LUX 8 non professionally (holidays, travel...) it would be obvious to have these feature. What's your opinion on that ?
@@GastonShutters yeah I don’t know. They made the same UI as the Q3, and as we discussed, some youtubers had to sign an NDA, so there’s probably something under all of this. We’ll see
Thanks again for this informative video and thanks for the DNGs ! I own a Canon EOS 200D, it’s my first camera, it’s great, I have three lenses for it, but the thing is that it’s too big, too difficult to transport, especially on vacation (not great when you have to carry a big backpack with only camera gear inside of it 😅). I also find that the colours (straight out of the camera, in JPEG) are not realistic, there’s always too much red in the image, and I feel like that even if there is a 24MP sensor on this camera, it doesn’t give good and sharp images like the D-LUX 8 or a higher end Leica Camera. Maybe this is why Smartphones are used, because you get “good looking images” directly, thanks to AI and all of this algorithms which create good images. The thing is that, with these small sensors on Smartphones, the quality of the images is not as good compared to the images coming out of a camera. This is why I’m interested in the D-LUX 8. Because I experienced a reflex camera which is quite bulky and doesn’t give that good results. For me, it wouldn’t really be a second camera, it would be my primary camera to take pictures on vacation, when I’m with my family and so on.
@@GastonShutters Indeed, it’s quite good. Have you seen Bobby Tonelli’s video, where he’s very secretive (because of NDA), but then, you gave us a lot of details ? It’s quite funny
I’ve heard that from Leica rumors. Delays in launches are common, if something is not ready to perform as designed. But it could be due to many other reasons.
Thank you forvthe content I shoot mainly raw either with my sony a6600 either with my canon jeans pocketable 7x markii leica interest me because of the history, 3 things are deal breakers for me: It must have a nd filter possibly built inside so I can have bokeh in sunny days, it must be small enough to fit possibly my jeans pocket as my 7x and possibly a tilt screen for very low or heigh shots and hip shots. Unluckily no tilt screen but does it has at least a built in nd? How big is it in real life may it fits jmthe pocket of the jeans? What other similar alternatives with the required I asked for will you suggest me from 1 inch to full frame. P.s are there other options for my stile of daily shooting carry camera that you may suggest me? And does it has a microphone input?
No mic input, no ND, although you can put variable ND in this lens which it will give you more control than a fix ND. A 1” sensor option is the Sony RX100VII. I love that camera.
@@GastonShutters thank you do you think i can mount a nd filter on the RX100VII, some where i have seen magnetic filters, maybe is needed to stitch/attach a metal ring on top of the camera, on my canon g7x ii and the previous 110 id i remember correctly i had with both the issue that at some point the automatic cover for the lenz did'nt close correctly, is there this problem as well with sony? I cannot be unlucky 2 times with 2 different canon cameras. Thanks again the sony you sugggest has a tilt screen and a microphon in right? ;) Tkanks
C'mon, what's the fuss about? It's a 2018 Panasonic Lumix LX100-II, same exact specs (same m43 sensor, same lens etc.), but more expensive (it is a fabulous camera though!). Bought my Lumix second hand (mint condition) for 500€, and use it when I don't want to lug around my DSLR (great set of in-camera JPEG recipes, and lovely RAW files for post-processing if needed). Leica are very good at making top of the range cameras and lenses (Q series, M series etc.) but this is just a poor attempt at overpricing a reheated meal made by Panasonic 6 years ago I'm afraid...
As Gaston said GRIII is Apsc (I own one and love it) but I also have M43 kit that also produces excellent quality for 99% of people . The rest is hype, I am not saying the IQ or the dynamic range are not better, they will be. The issue is 99% of us do not have a need for anything better. What is important is how easy it is to take the camera with you, how much excitement and fun it is in use and that you are not then disappointed with the results. You then have to choose where you put the £s, $ or € and what floats your boat!!
@@GastonShutters SL3 and Q3 are definitely for hardcore users and real enthusiasts who have Leica look jpg, while Dlux 8 targets casual and young photographers, which is a must. That is why Fuji and Ricoh are famous among youngsters because of film simulation.
Micro 4/3 is dead, stop touching this corpse 😂. It must be ff like lumix s9... but leica trying to sell useless garbage 😅... At the same price, ff s9...
You are wrong, i used sony fullframe, now enjoying sony apsc with cropped full frame lenses including manual voigtlanders. I dont see why I cant consider MFT..
m4/3 is a good format that fully meets the needs of most hobbyist photographers. There’s been a massive ad campaign from all manufacturers that you need full frame but that’s just to allow them to sell more cameras. That’s fine - we need them to stay in business! But m4/3 is still a great format.
Why will you get it or why will you skip it? Share them here in the comments with the community?
BTW, DNG Download link revealed in the video so you can play with them and see if this camera is for you.
I really wish it would have had a APSC sensor. I still plan on giving this camera a shot.
It would be a huge camera. Look at the sigma 18-55 f2.8. While it’s small it doesn’t make a Sony A6700 pocket compact. Another reason why this lens crops into the sensor. Because designing a fast lens that cover the whole sensor would’ve made the camera big. Unless the less would be like a bad apsc with an aperture of f3.5-5.6
I have my D-Lux 8 and totally pleased. It is a Leica not Panasonic. Fits in well with my other Leica equipment. Picture files are great with excellent color.
I got mine too love it
As a Q3 owner I’ve been looking for a camera to take out when the Q3 is too much. I even have a Small LUMIX Body with a Leica Lens, but I think this is the perfect camera!!! Can’t wait for my pre-order to come in!!!
This will be it
I just realized I said at the beginning that “I shot with the D Lux 7” but I meant “D Lux 8”
I don't see any of the reviewers discussing the massive creative and significant IQ advantage of the multi-aspect ratio sensor, which uses the entire image circle of the lens in either 4:3, 3:2 or 16:9. 1:1 is cropped from 4:3 instead of the smaller 3:2. The multi-aspect ratio sensor is why I'd get it. Plus, the lens is very sharp, being all glass.
16:9 at 24mm also results in close to 22mm wide. Why don't photographers care about being able to use the entire image circle of the lens in these formats, instead of having to crop everything from 3:2?
Great point and I did mention that feature in my prior review
@@GastonShutters I did see it mentioned, but the advantages not explained. Did you do a review in which you did explain them? Most photographers don't even understand what's happening when the dial is turned, how the oversized sensor functions and what the advantages are.
As far as I know, this is the last camera that's being offered with multi-aspect, unless a 10 MP M43 Panasonic is still being offered, which doesn't have IS or IBIS, and is designed for video.
Gordon Laing was one of the few reviewers who would explain what multi-aspect does, but didn't really explain its advantages.
Panasonic never marketed it well.
Thanks.
You are right and you are explaining it really good. Especially if you want to crop into portrait mode you’ll have more image to work with.
@@GastonShutters It also helps us think in terms of what is the best aspect ratio for this shot while shooting. Because 3:2 is often not the best aspect ratio.
And I really love getting a wider than 24mm field of view when shooting in 16:9, which can also be cropped in post to panos 2:1 or the XPAN 65:24.
I've long believed that oversized crop sensors should be the norm in all cameras, instead of having to crop everything from 3:2.
Being able to capture more of what the lens sees should have been on the top of many photographers' and manufacturers' list, but it's hardly ever mentioned.
I'm now using Fuji's GFX 100S medium format with my Canon full frame EF lenses so I can capture most of what these lenses see.
All 35mm lenses can be shot in square (33x33mm) and pano (65:24) without vignetting, using the full image circle of the lenses. Petal lens hoods have to be sawed off though.
Other ratios may vignette, but are a dream come true for me.
No longer stuck in 3:2
That's a great point. I've been pondering a lot lately how inconvenient it is to rotate the whole camera 90 degrees just to take a portrait format shot, when surely the answer would be to use a square (1:1) sensor. I doubt camera manufacturers will do anything quite that radical any time soon, so this seems to be the next-best-thing. Of course the Q3 also solves that problem by having a huge number of pixels to play with.
I have a dlux 109. Honestly, a camera like this is all you need lol. I have mirrorless cameras and have more fun with my 109 than I do with those. To many people fetishize about lenses, megapixels, sensors, and on and on and on.
That is true
I too use a 109 and it is fully capable for my needs. The D-Lux 8 would be even better. I have 2 Lumix full frame cameras and I achieve better results with the 109. Note, I did not say the 109 has better image quality, I take better pictures with the D-Lux. I’ll likely go for the 8.
Spent some time with it in NY and definitely getting this bad boy
Agree! The Type 109 produced imaged that I can't seem to get from the D-Lux 7. Not enough upgrades for the move from D-Lux 7 to 8, but I honestly still have dreams about what the Type-109 could do. Sad I sold mine.
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Good conclusion. I was blown away by the looks of the D-Lux 8 (who wouldn't be), but since stepping down from cloud 9, I've realised this Leica is not for me. I'm going to stick with Olympus, or OM-System as they're now called, and probably go for the E-P7 which despite not having a viewfinder, is a far better tool than the D-Lux. The E-P7 has a tilting LCD which makes up for the lack of an EVF, unsurpassed 5-axis stabilisation, and of course interchangeable lenses. Having a Ricoh GR(D), I've got so used to working without a viewfinder, so the lack of one really isn't a problem. And of course I still own two E-M1's so if it pours with rain, which it does often here in England, both my E-M1's are weather-sealed.
Yeah looks are amazing. But it’s not the most complete camera specs wise out there. I want it for photos and it does that really good. Love how fast it was and long battery life. That sold me.
Print size has no relation to resolution the same way as you can have a 100” 720p display. Yes it’s possible to print large photos with only 17mp but you’ll run into drawbacks such as seeing the individual pixels. If you want seamless detailed prints you’ll most likely want to print in the 300 dpi range. A 300dpi print at 4736 x 3552 (the cameras max resolution) will give you a max print size of ~15x11”.
I really appreciate you providing those DNG files. Those were really helpful in getting a better real world understanding of the cameras strengths and weaknesses.
Indeed.
Glad you found them useful!
I am craving for this as my EDC camera. It feels very very nice. I want something small, inspiring and with great IQ to carry it with me all the time. I just recently switched to Leica so I want to keep it within the new family so not really thinking about other brands now. I will take a look at those DNG. Thank you!!
You’ll love it a lot for photography.
@@GastonShutters already saw those DNG. I love them indeed!
Awesome. I think they are great for the size of sensor, resolution and versatility.
I wasn't even aware the D-LUX 7 does not have DNG support. Does it matter? All D-LUX cameras ALWAYS supported the RWL RAW format (probably the same as on the Panasonic version).
I have the older type 109 D-LUX. I bought it used from a Leica store with extra batteries, the grip and a hand strap in mint condition with box for USD600 - a steal. It's 12MP with the largest 4:3 crop.
By the way, depending on your motive and the scene, you can print MUCH larger with "low" resolution cameras. I have printed up to 30x40 inches from 12MP files. The prints looks amazing and at that size, nobody is going to press their nose against the glass of the frame to pixel peep. At any suitable viewing distance, nobody is going to ever guess these prints were made with 15 year old cameras that only had 12MP.
That said, the difference between the D-LUX 8 with its ~17MP and the type 109 with its 12MP is not very large either.
Thats a steal of a price man. Good job. 10-12 MP is more than enough for 24x36 more or less. DNGs seem to be smaller and easier to handle by older computers I believe
@@GastonShutters I think the fuss with the DNGs is so you can easily edit them on a mobile device. If you edit on a computer, then all of the previous models also support RAW equally. In my opinion. I am not a DNG purist.
Yeah. Mainly
I want something I can carry with me everywhere without an extra bag. I used to have regular camera with different lenses, and it made me quitting photography. Hope I’ll enjoy getting back on track with the D Lux 8 😊
Best of luck. It’s a fun camera.
Ricoh gr iii is so much more camera for the price with even more pocketability
It’s a great camera. But if I’m not going to have an evf I need a tilt screen :)
It would be interesting to have a monochrome version of this camera.
True. But a quick click in Lightroom does the job
@GastonShutters I reviewed the files you indicated, and I didn't like the quality of the files. Lack of resolution and basic sharpness. Perhaps, if it were a monochrome sensor, where the light hits directly on the sensor without color filters, the image would have more sharpness and resolution. The Sony ZV-E1 has only 12 megapixel, and generates crisp, high-resolution files. Therefore, small megapixel is not a problem. But the quality of the sensor is very important. When I mean black and white, it's not by color, but by the quality of a sensor without the colored filters. I have a Canon R6 Mark II. I want a small camera with a minimum of file quality. I'd stick with the Fujifilm X100VI instead of the DLux 8.
My score is 3/10 for the DLux file. 10/10 for your work. Thanks.
Zooming in at 200% you’ll find the limit of the lens and sensor. But who needs to zoom in in real life. I’ve print it from it already and the image looks amazing again it’s not a full frame camera but that resolution is good enough for most situation.
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So sad, it doesn't have the new 25 MP MFT Sensor, together with PDAF. And weather sealing, too. *This* would make the D-Lux 8 outstanding. And best of all - i'd love to see a IF zoom, which means, from 24-75mm, no change into length, physically.
Maybe next time
Totally agree. I was so tempted to buy the Ricoh GRiii, but got put off by no weather seal on the camera. The D LUX 8 would of been perfect for me with an APSC sensor.
The lens would’ve been huge if it was Apsc. Thats why even with a micro 4/3 sensor of 21MP the lens can only cover 17mp effectively. Size is the problem with zoom lenses.
Great video while keeping it honest.Sad to say i am not impressed with the D-Lux 8 and it's old M43 sensor at 17MP and without sensor IS in the year 2024.We should have gotten at least a 1.5x crop sensor with IS and closer to 40MP,better VF and that would have been a "baby" Q3 with maybe a 28mm or 35mm F/1.8 lens for $3,000 max.This camera is a rebadged LX100 II that's out for 6 years already.I am not a Fuji fanboy but i would pick the X-100 VI over this any day.
Yeah. We could’ve got a bit more here and there. Agreed. The Fuji is a great alternative but no zooming.
No optical zoom sure but the Fuji does crop in on the sensor multiple times for a “digital zoom”. Punching in a few times gives you an equivalent focal length with a comparable resolution. Sure at the “zoomed in” focal length you’re not getting 40mp, but you are getting similar output to the Leica.
The DLux has better optics IMO I have the X100IV and that lens is soft. I reviews that camera here
it's a better polished D Lux 7, but is it worth to upgrade if you have 7 already? doubtful. The only benefit i see here for those who want to jump in a Leica brand that D lux 7 on the used market are gonna become cheaper and more offers will be available
The D Lix 7 will produce same great image quality.
What is the quality of 4K video recording? What is the maximum recording time? I hope the performance related to video recording improves.
I tested this camera mainly for photo. The quality seems 8 bit 4:2:0 mp4 I believe.
I did not perform a recording length test. But I’m assuming about 10-15 minutes. Again I tested a prototype, not final firmware so we will have to wait to see what this camera will have as final specs.
@@GastonShutters thanks!
Any time!
i sold dlux7 and can't wait for dlux8 😀
Hope you enjoy it!
@@GastonShutters thank you 😀
Anytime! make your you Sub as I'll be dropping several new videos after thee camera launches.
Leica's specs say that the D-Kux8 sensor is CMOS; and the D-Lux 7 sensor is MOS.
Hmm interesting. I wonder if that’s why this camera appears to have better dynamic range or it’s just a Typo lol
Yes, I recognized it, too. MOS and CMOS are completely different things. Did Leica's technical staff make a mistake :)
Maybe ?
I'm considering this as a more casual carry than my Ms and film cameras. Res and M4/3 is fine for general purpose use and I don't use video. Just a nice, practical, reasonable (?!) value, viewfinder camera that produces good images, DNGs, has a good battery and is served by a good phone app (Fotos). For me, a more flexible alternative to X100/GR/RX100. I'd have loved more weather sealing and flexibility of in-camera Looks, but I suspect Looks will come in firmware once the Lux app launch is dealt with - launching both at the same time was odd...
Thats my thought as well. I’m buying it. For the reasons you mentioned above
My last camera is the Fuji X-T10 which i think is already quite obsolete after 9 years. would the D-Lux 8 be a good upgrade for a casual travel camera? liking the zoom capability vs the fuji x100 or GR3 fixed length. trying to travel light these days without needing to bring a camera bag with lenses.
Check out the DNGs and decide for yourself. I personally liked the image quality. If a camera was great 7 years ago for photo it’s great today as well. That notion that all of the sudden we need to reinvent the wheel with every release is kind of wrong IMO
I checked the DNG files out. I'd say this camera is the sweet spot for quality and size. Can't figure out what to bring? Throw this in your bag and it can probably cover 90% of your needs.
Yep! 👍
The GR3 has an APSC sensor…. That’s tiny…
Yeah. I own the GrIii and GRIIix. But having an evf is something I miss on the Ricoh having shot with them I prefer the DLux 8
I doubt I’ll get the camera but not because of any failings in the camera itself. I have a M11 and a Q2 and I can’t justify adding this. The image quality would likely be about the same once the files have been processed through DxO PureRaw4 or Topaz Photo AI but if I want a small carry camera I’ll use the M11 and if I want autofocus I’ll use the Q2. The sensors on both allow me to crop to the equivalent of the zoom on the D-Lux.
It looks like you are covered for your needs
Waiting for D Lux8
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I am looking forward to this camera. Had DLux 4 and the prints are still hanging around the house, Loved the colors etc. However I did purchased back then SOny RX 100 III and still use one until this day next to my SL2S. Love the size and overall picture quality, Was looking forward to Sony updating RX line with either RX 100 VIII or RX2. DId not happened so I do look forward to this Leica DLux 8. Does it have it B/W presets? I like the pictures, lets hope it will compete with the old RX 100 well.
Fingers crossed!
can you attach filters to the lens and keep them on all the time, even when zoom retracts? ie CPL, UV filters
I believe so as long as you don’t have that self closing cap. Didn’t have the need to use filters or ND. It has a pretty good electronic shutter too
Hi, I like photographing but I'm not into all the technical stuff, I just take pictures I like. I stilll use my Nikon D40X with a Nikkor 18-200mm lens. I'm now looking at the Leica D Lux 8. What would be the benefits of switching from my D40X (besides size and weight)? I don't have the funds for an upgrade to a Leica that would cost $6000, so the D Lux 8 is a compromise.
It’s a great little camera. With the compromises that a small zoom lens and M4/3 represent. Fun to shoot and more than enough to rival your phone.
By looking at multiple reviews, it seems that there won't be Leica Looks in the D-LUX 8. But then, nobody really got the final firmware so there's still hope, I don't know. It would have been logical for Leica to implement the Leica Looks, as users can experience it for free (more or less) on a smartphone. It would go in the right direction, just like making a great UI, putting USB-C (probably because of EU regulations, but it's still great), implementing newer bluetooth... As a photographer, I think that you don't necessarily need the Leica Looks. But then, when you want to use the D-LUX 8 non professionally (holidays, travel...) it would be obvious to have these feature. What's your opinion on that ?
Agreed with your statement.
@@GastonShutters yeah I don’t know. They made the same UI as the Q3, and as we discussed, some youtubers had to sign an NDA, so there’s probably something under all of this. We’ll see
We will see !
Great Video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks again for this informative video and thanks for the DNGs ! I own a Canon EOS 200D, it’s my first camera, it’s great, I have three lenses for it, but the thing is that it’s too big, too difficult to transport, especially on vacation (not great when you have to carry a big backpack with only camera gear inside of it 😅). I also find that the colours (straight out of the camera, in JPEG) are not realistic, there’s always too much red in the image, and I feel like that even if there is a 24MP sensor on this camera, it doesn’t give good and sharp images like the D-LUX 8 or a higher end Leica Camera. Maybe this is why Smartphones are used, because you get “good looking images” directly, thanks to AI and all of this algorithms which create good images. The thing is that, with these small sensors on Smartphones, the quality of the images is not as good compared to the images coming out of a camera. This is why I’m interested in the D-LUX 8. Because I experienced a reflex camera which is quite bulky and doesn’t give that good results. For me, it wouldn’t really be a second camera, it would be my primary camera to take pictures on vacation, when I’m with my family and so on.
What do you think of the DNGs. Have you play with them
@@GastonShutters they’re pretty good actually ! I had to modify them just a bit to have really good looking images !
Yeah they were straight out of camera and they require some tweak but you can get them to look amazing. Great DR
@@GastonShutters Indeed, it’s quite good. Have you seen Bobby Tonelli’s video, where he’s very secretive (because of NDA), but then, you gave us a lot of details ? It’s quite funny
I was not required to signed anything and I asked if I could talk about it
Cool vid. I can see why you like Leica’s😊🇨🇦
I like them a lot. Suit me for what I so very well
Did I hear you say the launch has been delayed. Please explain
I’ve heard that from Leica rumors. Delays in launches are common, if something is not ready to perform as designed. But it could be due to many other reasons.
@@GastonShutters Still showing launch on July 2nd on the various web sites. Hope it ships and we're not left hanging.
B&H estimate is July 22nd for stock.
Good info! Thanks
Thank you forvthe content I shoot mainly raw either with my sony a6600 either with my canon jeans pocketable 7x markii leica interest me because of the history, 3 things are deal breakers for me:
It must have a nd filter possibly built inside so I can have bokeh in sunny days, it must be small enough to fit possibly my jeans pocket as my 7x and possibly a tilt screen for very low or heigh shots and hip shots.
Unluckily no tilt screen but does it has at least a built in nd? How big is it in real life may it fits jmthe pocket of the jeans? What other similar alternatives with the required I asked for will you suggest me from 1 inch to full frame. P.s are there other options for my stile of daily shooting carry camera that you may suggest me? And does it has a microphone input?
No mic input, no ND, although you can put variable ND in this lens which it will give you more control than a fix ND.
A 1” sensor option is the Sony RX100VII. I love that camera.
@@GastonShutters thank you do you think i can mount a nd filter on the RX100VII, some where i have seen magnetic filters, maybe is needed to stitch/attach a metal ring on top of the camera, on my canon g7x ii and the previous 110 id i remember correctly i had with both the issue that at some point the automatic cover for the lenz did'nt close correctly, is there this problem as well with sony? I cannot be unlucky 2 times with 2 different canon cameras. Thanks again the sony you sugggest has a tilt screen and a microphon in right? ;) Tkanks
You can mount filters through some accessories that stick to the lens and yes mic input.
Hi, have the DNG files been removed?
No why ? Let me check
They are still there.
C'mon, what's the fuss about? It's a 2018 Panasonic Lumix LX100-II, same exact specs (same m43 sensor, same lens etc.), but more expensive (it is a fabulous camera though!). Bought my Lumix second hand (mint condition) for 500€, and use it when I don't want to lug around my DSLR (great set of in-camera JPEG recipes, and lovely RAW files for post-processing if needed).
Leica are very good at making top of the range cameras and lenses (Q series, M series etc.) but this is just a poor attempt at overpricing a reheated meal made by Panasonic 6 years ago I'm afraid...
No fuzz just a cool looking camera that takes great picture like it’s predecessor.
The GRIII as a full frame and it quite small
GRiII is APSC and a different shooting experience. I own them.
As Gaston said GRIII is Apsc (I own one and love it) but I also have M43 kit that also produces excellent quality for 99% of people . The rest is hype, I am not saying the IQ or the dynamic range are not better, they will be. The issue is 99% of us do not have a need for anything better. What is important is how easy it is to take the camera with you, how much excitement and fun it is in use and that you are not then disappointed with the results. You then have to choose where you put the £s, $ or € and what floats your boat!!
Where is the URL for the DNG ?
If you watch the video you’ll find out :)
@@GastonShutters 😄😄😄
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It would be terrible if no Leica look at the new camera. SL3 and Q3 got it.
I guess if you rely of them a lot that could be a bummer not having them.
@@GastonShutters SL3 and Q3 are definitely for hardcore users and real enthusiasts who have Leica look jpg, while Dlux 8 targets casual and young photographers, which is a must. That is why Fuji and Ricoh are famous among youngsters because of film simulation.
Operating the D Lux 8 is like operating a Q3.
TILT
Tilt screen would’ve been great
Micro 4/3 is dead, stop touching this corpse 😂. It must be ff like lumix s9... but leica trying to sell useless garbage 😅... At the same price, ff s9...
You are wrong, i used sony fullframe, now enjoying sony apsc with cropped full frame lenses including manual voigtlanders. I dont see why I cant consider MFT..
Lumix S9, good joke.
m4/3 is a good format that fully meets the needs of most hobbyist photographers. There’s been a massive ad campaign from all manufacturers that you need full frame but that’s just to allow them to sell more cameras. That’s fine - we need them to stay in business! But m4/3 is still a great format.
I don’t agree
Hehehe