Stark Varg, enduro range test pt.1: Technical single track
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- First proper enduro range test for the Stark Varg. Low speed technical single track in a hilly landscape with damp/slippery conditions.
We switched between factory map 3: 52hp / 80% regen and factory map 4: 56hp / 80 % regen during the whole run, its just a matter of throttle response since we never go full power.
Lap length: 2.25 km (1.4 miles)
Total laps: 8
Total length: 18 km (11.2 miles)
Max elevation: 118 m
Min elevation: 90 m
Elevation gain, per lap: 47 m
Total elevation gain, 8 laps: 376 m
Battery percentage start: 93%
Battery percentage end: 49%
Total battery usage: 44%
Total Time: 76 minutes
Average lap time: 9:30 minutes
Average speed: 14 km/h (8.7 mph)
Max speed: 46.1 km/h (28.6 mph)
Source: Strava
Presumed range at 100% to 0% usage: 41 km (25.5 miles)
Presumed riding time at 100% to 0% usage: 173 minutes
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Thanks for the likes and comments! I will ride another track today with higher average speed. So stay tuned for another range test video later this week.
The more the better. Thanks!!
Great video. Great metrics. This is the video I have been waiting for. I wondered why Stark didn't provide a trail video like this and I guess now I know why. 25 miles of range won't work for me and I'll have to surrender my deposit. I just don't feel like this is the bike I ordered. They said six hours of slow trail riding or about the same range as a 450 on one tank of gas. Opinions will vary but I don't believe those range claims to be true. Also the motorcycle I ordered was 242 pounds not 260 pounds. In my opinion, their marketing claims are fraudulent.
Yeah the range is a big problem in the woods, and of course they lied about the range and riding time on a charge. It might work for motocross, but it will never work for long trail rides or long enduro races. I did find it strange that you complain it weighs less than they said it does, to me that is a good thing .
Because they have always said they intend to build a trail bike but this was built as a MX bike its us who want it to do everything
@@steves2241 when I ordered the bike the said it would weigh 242 lbs. They now say that delivered bikes will weigh 260 lbs. The increased weight is not good.
Isn’t it from added battery capacity mainly? They changed to 6.5kwh recently from 6.
100% agree. Even as a B loop racer and often still have to do 80 km's in a 2 hour race. The A loop riders do 100+. Cool bike, but I'll have to wait until the range is much better. Thanks for the video. 💪😃👍
Thank you for doing this. Great job, nice terrain!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for feeding the curiosity of the enduro crowd. I would love to see the range and throttle response with a 30-40hp setting
Will hopefully be able to do that really soon!
What was this power setting?
@@enforcer-enduro yes that would be great because I currently have a Beta 300 but my Stark Varg delivery date says December and I need to decide which bike to keep for Enduro riding. 30-40hp is my ideal power and I am curious if the range will be good enough.
@@titaniumjoeszigeti You will probably want to stay with your Beta 300 for not only range, but also the convenience of easy fueling once you are low on your tank
Was hoping for a 40 mile range 😢 i feel i have been Ecoboosted again with a truck that was to get 20 miles a gallon and gets 16 on a good day. Thanks for your time and posting this.
rieju will bring a e enduro bike with a range of 100km ~ 60miles trail riding
really i have a 22 3.5 ecoboost its rare if i ever get under 19. most the time 20.5 and best full tank has been 24mpg 4x4 crew cab with 6.5' box
@@timbjork2098 its all in how you drive, My F350 6.7 gets 19 on dirt roads when I drive 35mph...16.5 when driving 65mph.
@just_one_opinion my best mpg was at 80mph, 24mpg for 300 miles in i35
@@pauldapra Yeah they all promise that
I'm concerned about the reliabilty of running this whole thing off a proprietary Android device. If Stark stumbles and stops providing updates or theres a bug in an OS update you've got a paper weight.
The other test I wanna see... drop it in 3' of water. Everything but a grip under.
That's the reason I love 2 strokes and kick starts. Pull the plug, pump out the water, fire it up. Worst case, drop the oil.
What happens when this thing goes for a swim?
Super cool machine but the range, the weight, trusting a computer and its ability to handle water is a concern.
I'll look again when Honda, Kawi, Yamaha and KTM all have an e-bike on the market.
Thanks for the real world testing sir, the exact vid I was looking for.
Thanks for posting! I know this is the mx model. I appreciate the effort making this. Later Stark can make an enduro model and provide adaptations.
I really must admit to being extremely disappointed at your extrapolated range from battery charge of 100% to 0 of approximately 25.5 miles. I routinely do 45 mile rides on my KTM 250XC-F. I’m hopeful you’d have the patience to do a 100 to 0 test.
I would say that the result actually is a bit better then I expected. Range won’t be a problem for me since I mostly use the bike for intense training and riding, not day trips or excursions. There’s some long range competitions here in Sweden that I rode in the past but this bike wouldn’t have enough range for those, but there’s plenty of other races that won’t be a problem so I’ll be fine. I think that electric bikes with that kind of range is far off in the future.
Appreciate your response. My Stark VARG Alpha is supposed to be delivered next month. The range from Stark says 6-hours. Your videos are the first enduro experiences with the VARG and I trust your facts. This unfortunately makes it unlikely I can go through with this purchase. I’ve so been looking forward to it. Massively bummed.
@@21AirDrop It seems a bit strange that Bhaskell can do a 45minute moto at a pace that is way above what I could ever do and yet he gets approx only 25miles, I think it's more telling the amount of time he is predicting plus batteries do not linearly lose charge if 173 minutes is getting darn close to 3 hours, which I would never expect a single charge to last 6 even on gas bikes 50miles was considered decent range for pure off road. Its more if you are only doing
@@jaynenI totally get what you’re saying. However, enforcer Enduro is actually doing an Enduro with a Stark. I watch all of Haskell’s videos and I see how hard he pushes his Varg in a Moto setting at the 60 hp map. Stark says six hour endurance for Enduro. Of course that would be the most optimistic but if I could get 2/3rd of that, it would be just fine but Enforcer Enduro is seeing less than that and this is just not workable for the average Enduro guy in the states.
@@21AirDrop This is a straight up lie. Stark has NEVER said 6 hours for enduro. It was claimed 6 hours of light trail riding. Big f'n difference.
But please, go and cancel your order so that others that want the bike can get it sooner.👍
Thanks for the vid and detailed info. I knew it wasn't going to be up to real enduro for any real distance and you proved that. It wouldn't last even the shortest loop I ride or the shortest C race we have here in our state series. Still a hard pass for me on any e-bike until they can actually make it 50 miles before dead and quick change, and affordable, batteries.
Exactly my thoughts. A 25 mile range is worthless.
Wow, thanks, but i'm disappointed of this result, I was hopping way more range, may stick to my surron for a while
Can't ride much longer than the battery lasts for me anyway. Thanks for the info
Imagine the Stärk Varg with a clutch. Perfect for hard enduro, and technical riding. Both to give ultimate wheel to ground control, to really control traction and jump logs, or steep rocks or bulders. If it had a clutch as an option I would have put in an order months ago. Now I need to wait with patience for that day the ship it with a clutch.
There were people riding the TKO Hard Enduro with no clutch on multiple bikes. Most could care less.
@@kurtheidelbach did a test ride, doesnt really need a clutch with the amount of torque it has just a quick blip and front is up. Idk why people think they need a clutch.
@@DDRDK Yeah I don’t think it needs one for riding but I do see a benefit of it as a safety feature in case of a stuck throttle etc.
Can I ask what country you are in?? Looks just like Sweden.
They need to figure out how to make it have less wheel spin. Too much power delivery in an instant.
Is this your personal varg? Hows it compare to a 300 smoker in the gnarly stuff?
Thanks & great video!
Długo czekałem na test enduro Stark. Dziekuje
EXCELLENT! This was very much like the riding we do with our Sur Rons. I really like the Stark Varg, and this information was extremely valuable in comparing range. I'd like to get a bit more range, I am currently maxed at about 30 miles (stock battery/controller.) Great riding! I am certain the Varg provides a bit more "excitement per mile" for sure!
Hemp batteries needed, 8x better
Thanks, how would you compare it to a ktm freeride e-xc , i saw another one of your video with this bike.
A totally different beast, I modified my E-XC quite a bit but it doesn't come close. I havent made a side to side comparison but my guess is that the range is about half of the Varg in these conditions.
@enforcer-enduro try to put a sprocket with one tooth less I think it has 14 put one of 13 surely it will improve your autonomy
Economy?
Thanks for sharing this information...i have been waiting for some time to see a range test under these sort of riding conditions. Interestingly, i recently did a somewhat similar ride on my 96v Surron Storm Bee. My stats were...
100% to 57% indicated charge
Distance: 30.01km
Average speed: 22km/h
Max speed: 58.7km/h
Elevation gain: 443m
Total moving time: 1hr 21min
Maximum elevation: 152m
The last couple of kms was a fairly steady 30km/h on fire road as we were carrying an injured hawk we found back to the car 😅
Wow, congrats for saving that bird, did he make it ?
@@surronzak8154 sadly got word that the hawk had to be euthanased due to multiple impact fractures. It at least got one last flight with us on the e-motos.
The community really needs to push back on this phone thing before it is too late. Really can't stand that it is a required part of the bike and not an accessory.
I don't understand you gripe with it. It's part of the package and it's the toll you use to adjust the bikes settings and fine tune it, it's easy and convenient. And from what I've seen you can ride without it
i think this bikes are great but they need gears and clutch for many reasons... I hope the company understands that.
lol, no
Incredible single track loop though. Looks like a blast
Last night I rode my AltaMXR from a hundred percent charge on one of my sandy tracks and killed the battery in 20 minutes flat.
Amazing thank you for showing us
Can you ride the Varg without the cell phone plugged into the bars like can you put it in your backpack.
Its gonna get smashed if you leave it there.
I really hope they implement an adjustable (fake) flywheel setting. It seems like it could really use it with how quickly the rear tire is spinning up, what do you think @enforcer-enduro?
Thanks for putting this test together. Can't help think a modded Surron is faster, more nimble and has better range in this environment.
do you really believe that? How much power does that suron have? 15hp?
@@just_one_opinion You can go up to 30kw with a moded surron, so like 39hp, and do'nt forget the power to weight ration, the surron is like 60-70kg moded, I'm def faster with my light bee on this map than anyone with a stark
This is the type of videos I'm looking for! Thank you for making them. If you can, also make one with higher speeds on faster dirt roads (dual track, where cars can move)
Yikes! 25 miles???
What power setting?
Great ride mate and great place to ride!! Looking forward more videos on slow and technical terrain.
Thanks for posting, this is by far the most usefull information I've found for enduro riders tha are considering owning one of this toys. Would love to hear your opinion about the bike's performance in terms of riding when compared to a normal bike. Great job!
I really want to like them. I bet they are awesome to ride. But i fucking hate the no noise. I ride to drown my thoughts out not hear them better lol
If you need more range go down one tooth on the front sprocket and up a few teeth on the rear sprocket.
Not sure if he would gain more range. Maybe even less range on faster tracks
@@maucina12on this particular loop shown in the video range would go up
Exactly the kind of riding I'am gona do with my Varg when I'll get it! Thanks
how much power does the stark varg make at lower speeds, electric motors dont have truly flat power and up until around 70 kmh the bikes power will increase with rpm, this means that at very low rpms the bike should not be making much power, maybe aroun 10-20 hp, how does the bike feel at lower speeds and how well does it pull the front tire up from low speeds?, it would be cool to do a video on that too
Horsepower doesn’t matter that much at low rpm every engine/motor will make low power at low rpm. Torque is more important if u want that acceleration that will flip the bike upside down! Electric motors make their best torque at low(0) rpm and it diminishes as the rpm’s go up. Gas engines make their best torque somewhere mid rpm range usually and this is where the powerband would be
@@connorm02 TORQUE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT RPM! i dont care how muc torque you make, hp is theonly thing that determines output power since it is output power. a gas motor has a gearbox so at low speeds you can rev high and make hihg hp, an electric motor doesnt so you cannot make much power at low speeds. please learn about torque and hp before answering a question relating to torque an hp
@@garbageman3992 an electric motor has instant torque sorry, but you’re wrong.
@@garbageman3992 and what did I say that was wrong?
@@connorm02 yeah it does, but torque isnt output power, for example a diesel engine with 100 hp can make 500 ft pounds of torque but be slow as hell compared to a gasoline engine which makes 100 ft pounds of torqur but 500 hp. hp literally equates to output wattage and torque is a factor of hp so you telling me im wrong is retarded. learn what you talk about before yapping about it
That's seems like pretty good numbers. Not sure I can ride much more than that myself. Nice work.
A very big problem with range very limited
Thank you thank you! How long ago did you get your "its time to confirm your order email?" I got mine last week so hoping i'm getting this puppy soon.
2-3 weeks between payment and delivery to Sweden.
ngl the forrest grey looks mad clean.
Tyckte allt att terrängen såg svensk ut!
Tack för att du visar hur Vargen tre sig i skogen 🙏🏼
Yes! Har bara kört i skogarna kring Göteborg och nu senast i Skene.
@@enforcer-enduro Nice! Jag kommer från Berghem, men bodde i Göteborg till 2018 då jag flyttade till Thailand. Lite annorlunda terräng att köra i här 😃
@@tomatdb52 Haha ja det kan jag tänka mig! Sen har ni ju något bättre stränder där nere :D
@@enforcer-enduro å varmare vatten! 🤣
Men å andra sidan jäkligt mycket svettigare att köra enduro i +35-40C 😬
@@tomatdb52 Nice! Vad jobbar du med i Thailand?
Buen video gracias
230 wh/mi average
Kul video!
Tror du att ändrad drevning skulle göra skillnad för räckvidden. Det borde gå att dreva väldigt mycket lättare om toppfarten är
Bra fråga, kör ju mest skog men åker en hel del vanlig svenskenduro med och då hade nog en annan drevning inte funkat lika bra.
Are you now using the Stark app and not the google app?
Yeah we used the Stark app during the whole run but we forgot to activate it until lap 3. We filmed all laps but this was the cleanest one.
"Promo sm"
Nice!
I'm curious if range would correlate with an electric car. High speed and low speed are not optimal for range. There is a sweet spot in a car probably 35-40mph, I wonder if the case is the same for the Varg. I really wanted to see around 40 miles, so I'm a bit disappointed. Great Video! Thanks so much for sharing.
I will hopefully be able to do another test later this week on a track with 30km/h average speed. Will be interesting.
Perfect, so no 6h life, almost 3h
This is just a first test, I think its to early to draw any conclusions before I get more tests done.
I don't think super low speed hard enduro terrain is going to be peak efficiency, thats start stop territory which we know from cars is less efficient even for electric than moving at a steady speed. Just like a 45min moto we don't expect it to do a moto for 6 hours
@@jaynen starting and stopping terrain should be good for electric bikes range (i mean you could get long riding time, not many km). You are mostly standing and doing low power low speed moves.
How do you like the power for slow riding on slippery terrain? By the sound it seems that engine sometimes suddenly spins very fast and looses grip
It’s really slippery even with the KTM 300, the main difference is slippery rocks, can get hard to get traction without the clutch. Traction control is coming in a future update, will be a nice feature when riding enduro.
@@enforcer-enduro i am really exited about electric bikes but i have a feeling that good enough setting will be hard to find. I dont want traction control all the time. I want rear to slide in corners or on soft ground. And terrain is usually changing to quick to turn tc on or off
@@maucina12 Hopefully the setting will be modular. For me it would be enough if I could have one map with TC and a similar without, its really easy to change map on the go.
@@enforcer-enduro i am not sure if switch would be good option. Imagine riding down a trail and suddenly a corner with soft sand and after the turn rocks sticking out. No way you could be pushing buttons in between. Or technical climb with combination of soft mud and slipery rocks.
@@maucina12 In those conditions I would go with TC that takes most of the "torque tire slip". Maintaining traction in mid to high speed is no problem, its the low speed thats my concern.
It definitely needs more alot more range and, a clutch for offroad trail riding.
Not sure why you need a clutch. People riding Hard Enduro without one.
@@kurtheidelbach Show me how to pass a log without a clutch, I do it on my surron lbx but a clutch would make it 100 times easyer
@@surronzak8154 There were a bunch doing it at hard enduro. You don’t have to worry about stalling the bike and it’s instant torque. Now there are some e trials bikes with them. I talked to some of the E Hard Enduro riders before the event and they said it’s not an issue at all.
Wow this is the first time I’ve ever seen one of these things go so slow. I seriously thought that they were way faster all of the other videos. They seem faster maybe yours is like child version or something.
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Not faster than the KTM freeride E i Can see😮
Its quite hard to compare since the track is a lot more beaten then when I had my E-XC. Also its not a fast track, really technical with slow riding. I released a new video yesterday on a proper track and there theres a night and day difference.
U need bigger rear sprock
for less range?
@@just_one_opinion less top speed, more torque to the wheel, less work for motor, longer range
thats a perfect surron trail.(way to slow for a varg) a pimped surron will beat the varg here.
We have surrons being carried around parts of the trail quite often so it depends on how strong you are
would use a sur ron for this terrain
but its much more mible than a 250 or 250
but would be interested in this as mainly a road bike
and great range for this
people who say its shit range dont understand youre running 52hp
and I dont want to like varg but it looks nice at this point
I like the video, but it would be much better if you talk over it while you are riding, it is a little boring just hearing the whine of the electric motor.
I was thinking about it but I don’t have time writing a script and recording, I rather ride my bike 👍
what hp setting was the bike on this as this effects range drastically
Not sure the setting matters much if the throttle is not being opened that much
Factory map 3: 52hp and factory map 4: 56hp. The throttle map feels different even if its only a couple of hp that differ. Both have 80% regen.
@@enforcer-enduro great thanks.
@@enforcer-enduro with such an easy going trail why not try 40hp setting or even 30hp?
@@jaynen its just a waste if u trying to contain 60hp vs 35hp.