Naturals Don’t Need That Much Protein (NEW RECOMMENDATIONS!)
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0:00 How much protein do you need?
4:10 Covering the nuances
10:22 Vegan recommendations on protein
13:27 Male v Female protein needs
16:22 Does training hard change protein needs?
17:26 Do older people need more protein?
21:09 Thoughts on 1g/lb/day
26:12 Protein for satiety
27:03 Do overweight people need the same protein amounts? - กีฬา
Grams per pound.. what an unholy amalgamation of units
Eagle screeching intensifies
Yah I only go by kilos of protein. Which is what is normally listed on nutrition labels.
I use pinches per pound. nom'sayin
You know what’s funny, I’ve never thought about the comedy in comparing metric to empirical for protein
You've already got grams in there. Why not just go all the way and go for grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight? Could even do grams per gram it you like. Or ounces per pound I guess. But why grams per pound...
You know you're eating the right amount of protein when you fart in an elevator and the person next to you faints
Holy Hell, your farts must be like tear gas. It actually sounds like you're giving people black lungs. Let's hope they're quickly gone with the wind, otherwise you might cause an ordinary extinction. Do you, perhaps, dream of armageddon?
Absolutely best rule of thumb 😂
Even better if they spontaneously gain muscle
okay black mamba
Aliens use my farts for their experiments, thats why abductees don't remember shit.
I love how this is basically a 100% scientific data video, and yet almost all the comments are jokes about protein farts. I must be in the right place.
" there is no hard data "
@@ValentineIsHere HA
@@ValentineIsHerethere is only fart data
the comments are shit, obvious and boring
Yep you are in the right place ; this is today humans 🙂
Mike please release your skull hypertrophy video!
He will never reveal the sauce, but i reckon he chews his food really hard
That's brain hypertrophy in action:
Full ROM sudoku in sets of 3-5 with 1 puzzle in reserve
Pondering the philosophy of perfect technique until failure
Advanced calculus focusing on a deep stretch and a slow eccentric
HGH + slin 7 days/wk until (organ) failure
Bro is mewing so incredibly hard that it not only affects his jaw, but also his skull
don't forget calculating the B/H/W ratios of gymbunnies (3 sets of 10 influencers)
I understand, I didnt eat too much protein, I just wasnt on gear
LMAO
barbells and plates in my gym are just badly made that's why my chest won't grow
@@aca347 Same here. I think the dumbbells are backward or something too.
@@aca347if your chest isn’t growing you’re not lifting heavy enough, and you’re not lifting to failure
No... it's because he's not on enough gear!@@hockey_highlights_and_more
I've learned that if i wait long enough, the science will swing back around to confirm the things I've always done anyway...therefore im 100% optimized like 50% of the time.
Waiting for meth to be a miracle drug once more
The way
@@ActualHumanPersonnext Tuesday is going to blow your mind
@@ActualHumanPerson It is if you have ADHD
@@CorgiHorgi I sure say I do at the doctors office
Key takeaway from the video:
1.6g/kg/day
0.71-0.82g/lb/day
Good news for me, I was constantly worried I'm not eating enough protein. Turns out, I overeat just a bit! Considering I'm super active and walk around all the time, the excess is accounted for nicely.
1.6g-1.8g*
@@tinyshoulders04 2:18
"there is not a single study that benefits more than 1.6 grams of... blablabla" or whatever he said
I posted the math in another comment that is being drown out by fart jokes... most average people would be doing well to put on 5-10 pounds of lean muscles a year, so the 1.6g/kg figure lines up with that. Whatever your total daily figure is, the body only converts about 20% off it to muscle, the rest goes towards maintenance and metabolism. So to gain 5 pounds of lean muscle in a year (which is pretty normal for a lot of people) you are really only accumulating an average of 6g of protein a day.
aka NOTHING NEW??????????? lmfao a 30min video just for this
@@fsfs2778 thanks gonna skip the video now.
I liked the on screen text that kept track of the numbers/conjectures being compared
He has an excellent editior or channel helper or whatever.
@@NatrajChaturvedilmao yes you had the term right the first time
I eat plenty of protein and don’t currently have a lot of* friends… I must be in the right place
You can replace friends with cauliflower.
@@MissingTheMark😂😂😂
Same.
@@MissingTheMark not in this economy! Cauliflower is more expensive than broccoli!
- I accidentally became a poet
We’re the same! But i wouldn’t dare say hello or attempt friendship because you know….#gains
Biggest takeaway I got from this video is that Dr. Mike is now female.
You know you want it. 😛
An over 60 year old, 300 kilo female, hubba hubba
An overweight 67 year old female at that
@@electroduval831and lesbian with a rainbow flag and pronouns
A vegan overweight 67 year old female who goes extremely hard in the gym and has a rainbow flag in her bio. Bit of a change up wow
Dr Mike. Thank you for asking the questions about overweight ppl. It is something I have wondered and did not know how to ask.
Don't be afraid to ask, my guy, we're all trying to help each other get healthier and stronger here - judgement is for the weak
never be afraid to ask questions! we are all here because we want to be better versions of ourselves tomorrow :)
Yes, i am a lesbian
Just say your dick weighs 60 lbs and ask if you should be using your whole weight for the calculations.
@@luke8837 informative
I love this dynamic between you two. Very informational and easy to understand, and also light-hearted and funny.
Duh they are married...
I wish they would just kiss already, the sexual tension is unbearable
Menno is such a clear communicator man
The Dutch educational system heavily emphasizes communication skills. We have to do A LOT of presentations in school and university.
@@user-ng5pu3sp4rinteresting
@@user-ng5pu3sp4r No it doesn't. Dutch people just like opining a lot.
Dr. Milky talking with gigachad
😂 can't unsee it now
@@dark_magician_sdyomg
Omg
@@dark_magician_sdysame lol
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I’m 160lbs and usually average like 130g of protein per day. This video pleases me.
Same. I weigh a little more than you and 120g is pretty easy for me
Divide original number by 2 and take off 10 percent.
Gets you extremely close and is very easy to remember!
220lbs = 110*0.9 = 99kg
160lbs= 80*0.9 = 72kg
2.2lbs = 1.1*0.9 = 0.99kg
I am pleased that you feel pleasure from this video.
@@youngornitierI am pleasing myself to your pleasure of him finding pleasure from this video
@@youngornitierI am pleased that you are so pleased at them feeling so pleased
I ended up going to a medical nutritionist, (a medical doctor with a specialization in obesity) and he was at this same equation of .71g/pound of total body weight. Or as an easy rule of thumb he said 1 gram per pound of lean body weight, IE: remove your fat. Which works out to the same thing or a bit more if you're in shape.
my LBM is around 155-160. i do around 170-175 grams of protein a day.
One thing I always appreciate about your channel is you address issues as they apply to females. Thank you.
dear editor, its not "air on the side of" its "err on the side of" at ~20mins.
You right
Dear editor of editor, it’s “it’s”…stones and glass houses, my guy…
@@misterbeane You right
@@DILFDylF”You’re right”
@@jmazz85786 You right
Mike, your channel is a perfect example of how to present your entertaining self but still letting the guest have the spotlight. Very informative and fun video!
I love these videos where they touch on basic topics surrounding natural and enhanced situations
Always love hearing information from separate fields of expertise that have significant and impactful overlapping function, gives an awesome degree of clarity and understanding of variables whos relationships may not be immediately understood as linked.
Hey if yall read this, just want to say im A huge fan Of this interview style Type video that is more long form With Good solid data and information From a professional That I can like watch while I'm at the gym or In the car driving, very informative
Incredible duo. Very fun and informative.
Absolutely outstanding video! It’s highly informative and super helpful. Thank you so much for all the amazing work! It’s highly appreciated. 🙌
For the 1 gram per pound thing, another reason I like this is that it compensates a bit for things that are mislabeled or not delivered in a consistent enough way for perfect accuracy.
Yes. One thing I learned from Dr. Mike’s nutrition book is protein availability. Milk and eggs are like 100%. Meat and poultry are like 70-80%. And things like beans and peanuts are only 50-60%.
Awesome video, thank you both!
Dr. Mike, I 100% appreciate and resonate with your sense of humor
This was just awesome!! Very informative. Well done. Thanks.
Absolutely phenomenal video
00:56 Bond villain energy
Great questions and even better answers!
Beast of a video! Love this collab.
I’m a cancer survivor, just tested in remission a few months ago. My oncology nutritionist told me early on that during treatment in order to maximize my strength through chemotherapy I needed to be eating 25 to 35 g of protein Ideally every three hours. I think that was a range for most people, so with my gender and size I’m guessing 25 would be more appropriate. It did take some planning.
They emphasize protein intake when folks are in the hospital healing, especially for wounds
Good luck ❤
Your oncology nutritionist told you to eat huge amounts of protein for strength, but said nothing about resistance training? Keep eating protein every three hours? Is he trying to keep your mTOR constantly elevated? Maybe you should get a second opinion. Sounds like you are taking a lot of risk and for what benefit? Muscle strength? You can keep track of your muscle mass and strength on a daily basis. Get to the gym and lift. You can NOT not keep track of the progression of your cancer this easily if it comes out of remission.
Also, your nutritionist said to do this during chemo treatment, which might be fine. However, you are now in remission. Why do you believe this will help you? You might be doing the exact opposite of what you should do. Do you have any research studies that show high protein diets are good for keeping cancer in remission?
I have a friend that got cancer at age 78. He got to the gym as a newbie when he was diagnosed. He will be 87 this May. He is still competing in powerlifting. He competed last April in the 4th Ave Gym Powerlifting Classic in Yuma, AZ (if you want to see him lift in a video, google _instagram uspaarizona 85_ ).
@@jakubchrobry3701to keep muscle high protein is better without training then no training and low protein
@@jakubchrobry3701 u r dumb lol
This video was excellent. thanks Mike and science man!
Fantastic video. Love your wit!!!
Thank you for posting this freaking awesome video.
Great show. Very informative.
@Menno: thank you for doing this Q&A session with Dr. Mike!
In your article, you indicated there may be a caveat for people doing high amounts of strength training AND aerobic exercise in conjunction. The limit could be higher in that situation.
Could you speak to that? Thank you!
Great video - great questions and explanations. Thx
Really good information. Thanks!
Amazing video, glad to be member. Like someone mentioned, I would have also liked to question an if there's any intake recommendation change when trying to lose fat.
They covered everything I was wondering except the topic of if more or less protein is needed when in surplus vs deficit
Always love it when these two get together so much fucking knowledge and funny as hell. I hope you guys got alot more content together
Awesome info. Great show.
I love Mike and Menno together. Thanks for the wisdom guys
56th like 1h ago
I agree
Agreed
Afree
This guy is a genius
Thank you for sharing the methodology used and some of the stats used
Absolutely loved the collaboration! This video is truly phenomenal in every way. Dr. Mike asked great questions that are very relevant to the discussion on protein intake for lifters and Menno answered each question in a very comprehensive and detailed manner. I learned so much amazing information from this video. It’s quite helpful and very valuable. Thank you so much for the excellent video! I greatly appreciate you for sharing your wisdom and insights with us. I’ve gained a lot of knowledge from your work. I can’t thank you guys enough! 🙏
Well thats good to know, because on a cut I sometimes want to eat something tasty but I have to cut it for pure protein sources just to meet 1g per pound. Going down to .71 actually makes a huge difference
Dr Mike is killing it! This is exactly what I wanted to know about
Great series. Keep these up!! 💪
This video was so interesting to watch and a ton of useful information. Plus Menno was lovely
After lifting for the better part of my life, starting as a teen and now in my 40's, I have found out the basics always work and not to complicate things too much. If your bodyfat is too high, then eat less calories than you burn until you are lean enough. You probably don't need to track calories if you can consistently be in a state of mild hunger. If you got fat it's because you've been eating too much food. If you aren't a vegan, you will have an easy time meeting your protein needs unless you are dieting. If you're eating maintenance or higher, then you are probably getting in enough protein. More than anything, just train hard and consistently, avoid drinking in excesses and get a good nights sleep. Trust the mirror more than the scale. If you have a serious goal, have someone take pictures of you. The mirror lies too. When you have to stare at your love handles in a photo, you cannot twist yourself in a way that helps you avoid looking at them.
Agreed 100%! Just look in the mirror and it’ll tell you what you need to do
While I think this is good advice in general, for some of us counting calories and tracking macros really is necessary. I'm back to doing a cut after a year of careless eating and I was shocked by how small my portions had to be to eat at a deficit.
All good advice! However, I never understood why people think getting enough protein as per the guidelines of 1 gr/lb is easy. In my case (42 years male, natural) it is very hard unless I take protein shakes. Did you assume protein powders as well?
i think tracking your weight per week helps in that case and checking your strength in the gym. if someone hates the idea of tracking, all they need to do is eat the same food and track that for one time, then check the weight per week if it goes down or up approx 0.25 to 0.5 kg difference per week should be fine . even if u do this way u will see progress@@Cenyon
this is the way
Divide original number by 2 and take off 10 percent.
Gets you extremely close and is very easy to remember!
220lbs = 110*0.9 = 99kg
160lbs= 80*0.9 = 72kg
2.2lbs = 1.1*0.9 = 0.99kg
Holy shit, that changes everything. Now I can communicate fluently with non-freedom units person, thanks ❤
@@bambo999 Your welcome, easy method! Now tell me I bench 405 pounds? How many kg is that?
@@disciplines4jesus roughly 183kg
@@bambo999 Given the imperial unit is, well, the British Imperial unit, and the KG is from France, the place that pretty much invented liberty and blows up a bus when the government tries to take away people's benefits, shouldn't the kg be the freedom unit?
@@shrakaHave you met France recently?
Fantastic video!
hugely infomative and useful video!
I know I'm hitting my protein goals when my farts are anabolic to the point my nasal muscles are sufficiently stimulated for their daily volume.
When I wake up in the morning and my bedroom has become a dutch oven
Do you sell them? 😳 Asking for a friend
Do you sell them?
f44g@@evanmiller5150
You're a chick saying this ? Fricken gross
Really wish they went over the requirements for people doing concurrent training
Yeah same, but I am guessing that it means that you require a little bit more protein.
Absolutely gem of a video
1:1 protein to gains ratio, science is settled, Greg told me
Which means for each gram of protein I get more gains? I'll start my 1000g protein/day diet. Chef Rush was right all along.
Quick! Use code greg or he might start screeching again!
Ahh yes, Greg the most useful and correct man ever. 😂❤😂
@@user-ii7xc1ry3xSo you gain 1kg of muscle per day? Sounds pretty good
Lol fr I just aim for that cause it's easy to remember haha
20:05 i'm so badly hoping the editor knows thats supposed to be "err on the side of" (error) not "air" lmao
The editor is a bunch of matrix multiplications probably
Another great video. Just watched the Eric Helms video about supplements (2 weeks ahead of this one) and now this great update on protein intake. March has been a great month for RP informative videos ;)
Awesome video. Thank you. Yall are awesome.
I would love for you guys to link the papers and/or meta analyses in the description for those of us who are interested in the details of the studies
Check out researchgate. You won't need a scholar login. If the paper you want isn't there you can ask the researcher directly.
Researchers want people to read their work and can distribute it personally.
bro, THERE ARE NO PAPERS! These guys are talking meth delusions
Stop trying to keep me small. I know your game, you try to keep the competition down.
This was an excellent video!
Such a solid vid
Very informative, just could have touched on whether requirements increase during cutting.
This exactly. Mike has talked about pre-contest naturals seeing success increasing their intake up 1.2g per lb/be and I’d like to know if that tracks still
That’s the one thing they missed and I’m surprised they didn’t cover it
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i mean probably not, since they said the gram per pound is an overestimation, so if you were gaining before and were withing recommendation keeping it similar will probably not change anything in how much muscle you keep, unless you decrease intake.
@@nathanjude707 There may not be enough research on it, though I would suspect that this number won't go UP given this is the maximum the average body can use for growth. Just a guess though.
very nice rp hoodie, where did you get it ? 🧐
The other guy didn't need it.
Great Stuff!!!
great info. thanks guys.
Great job at putting on screen the concise points. Amazing UX.
I love when you have guests. These conversations are helpful for me.
Mike I love your sense of humour, and your exercise advice is decent, too.
amazing vid. thanks a lot for the content Mike
Thank you very much for covering the vegan protein intake. I really appreciate you, guys!
I appreciated that information as well.
vegans cant build muscle
Dr. Mike, I'll beat your ending recommendation. I'll just watch people's channels who already know things. Subbed. Member. Gains. Done.
Very good video, thanks guys 👍
This is so far thee best science base and guesswork conversation to listen too 🎉
Menno's article on protein is how I knew about him before seeing him on RP. Those telling you that you need so much protein are from the supplement companies.
Big Protein always up to something nefarious .😮
Very interesting and thorough video, I am left with 1 question. Does protein requirements change based on if you are in a calorie deficit vs a surplus vs maintenance?
If I recall correctly, you want to be sure to get close to the high end of the recommendation if you are cutting to reduce muscle loss
@@DanWolf-codeNerd yeah I know the typical recommendations but wondering if they have done any studies on it
@@Ktisgone if they have, I'm sure we'll hear on this channel, haha... if you watched the video and were wondering if you missed it, I didn't catch it, so I don't think you did. I know Dr. Mike has spoken on the topic though, and while he didn't have this excellent guest, he probably spends an awful lot of time reading studies.
Haven’t seen a research on it but if I had to guess i’d say not at all. Unless you want to lose muscle in the process, i’d keep your protein intake as close to the same and the rest is calorie based
I really enjoyed this one! good work guys!
fantastic vid & advice
Honestly, I always had the intuition that 1 gram per pound of body weight requirement was insanely high. I eat WAY less than that and see excellent results at the age of 42 (obviously naturally). Plus, with my appetite, even hitting 50 grams is hard for me through regular food intake without supplementing with protein powders (which I also consider kind of unnatural).
I also do not like to add food or extra protein, which in my case comes mostly from animal sources, just to look a certain way. That's a bit iffy in terms of my personal ethics! So, I am happy to see that this excellent research confirms my suspicion and removes the unnecessary pressure to add more protein to my diet.
Thanks for sharing Dr. Mike!
Kisses on your bald head! I hope you don't mind!
I'm sorry, but there is no way you struggle to eat 50g of protein in a day. Are you saying you cannot manage a full chicken breast?
I don't think he's tracking anything
Sounds to me as though he is leaning toward vegetarian or vegan: "I also do not like to add food or extra protein, which in my case comes mostly from animal sources, just to look a certain way."
Still, "struggling to get 50 g"? That's very odd. I struggle to stay under 1 g per pound of body weight (I "fail" this pretty much every day.
If you're vegan or vegetarian, you're gonna have issues with quality of protein, you might need a bcaa powder to stimulate protein synthesis, not to mention.You're gonna be missing several essential.Amino acids that are not commonly found in vegetables... Doctor mike discussed this in another video I don't remember the title
@@johnhilderbrand9204I eat meat every meal except breakfast. A usual lunch or dinner meal for me is a pasta with a can of tuna added in, which is on average 26+11 = 37 grams of protein. Now, if I do this twice a day, I will get to 74 grams of protein per day. This is me eating to hunger as most days I do not feel any need to have a breakfast except a coffee. Even if I added a 30 gram breakfast, my total would get to 104 gr which is still a far cry from the 163 grams that I would need according to the guideline of one gram per pound.
And, yes, I gradually gain weight on this diet and I also feel that I am slightly force-feeding myself!
I hope it's clear now what I mean.
I'm amazed your humor true and still pump out these insane jokes in front of people, vs when you're on camera alone.
Good content... very informative..
Very informative, thank you.
Can you please make a deep dive video on the amino acid leucine please, because of ethical reasons, I want, must and have to eat as little animal protein as possible, but as much as necessary of high-quality animal protein in the form of lean poultry, lean beef and eggs to build muscle. In a study I read that regardless of body weight, a minimum of 20g of protein per meal, regardless of bodyweight and age, is needed to build muscle. In another study I read and like you said, there must be at least 2-3g leucine per meal to build muscle. These two studies contradict each other because 20g of protein does not contain 2g of leucine. For example, 100g raw weight chicken breast has 23g protein but only 1.8g leucine. My question is whether, as a natural average lifter without TRT and without PED´s, are 20g of protein from, for example, 100g of chicken/lean beef or 3 whole eggs per meal enough Protein to build quality muscle even though there are not 2g of leucine per meal? Provided at the end of the day 1.6-2g of protein per kilogram of body weight is achieved and spread over 4-6 meals!? I have often read and heard that naturals in particular have to eat more protein to build muscle than guys who are on trt or on peds because naturals do not have consistently elevated muscle protein synthesis!? Don´t get me wrong here, I don´t want to split hairs and focus on every little detail but this is something I´m a) just interested in and b) I´m not the guy who just want to „eat more“ protein or fit my protein requirement into 3 large meals because in general I don´t really like protein foods and do better with more carbs and fats and a higher meal frequency and I want to avoid
Definitely in depth content about this topic
There is plenty of leucine in eggs and milk. In terms of ethics, I source milk from a local farm where the cattle have endless green pasture. I get the eggs from pastured chickens my family raises.
Genshin Impact reference I see
Vegetarians kill more animals every year than carnivores do.
One death from a cow can feed many; how many foxes, rabbits, insects, birds, and fish need to die due to pesticides and mono cropping?
What are these “ethical reasons”?
You should do more research.
Eat pasture raised…even better if they’re from REGENERATIVE farming practices.
Hit 1.6g/kg and 10g of leucine per day and you're good. Vital wheat gluten is the best plant based source of leucine but seeds, nuts and legumes are all good sources too
Ive been at 1g/lb and its worked great. Even eating that much protein daily is difficult
I am 250 lb and 2m tall, still pretty lean now. 250g of protein is hell of an effort for me so actually this new information is very good news
That’s a lot of very useful info. Thanks guys.
Glad it was helpful!
@RenaissancePeriodization intro music name please
Your Boyscast appearance was great. Did the job well and got my subscription for it.
menno is a fucking legend
@Dr. Mike does the 0.8 g/lb bw protein req apply to naturals regardless of cutting or bulking?
My theory is you dont cut the protein, you cut down the fat/carb until deficit is achieved.
@@peterpan408 exactly
Love this… thanks for the great info
Really good post! 😎💪
Love your unique style, never change!
Vegan for 8 years now, thanks so much for the recommendation and consideration to cover our lifestyle, awesome
Stop being a vegan, your not saving the planet and your not any more ethical than anyone else. Eat red meat, eat eggs and drink milk. Your mind body and soul will thank you for it.
@@reemobk6499 Care to back those claims up? I bet you cannot.
We love when Dr. Menno comes through
very good video mike. i like the new outro as well
Please do the same for carbs and especially fats. You guys are great!
Doesnt really matter. Eat maintenance to stay at ur weight, in a surplus to gain and in a deficit to lose weight. You body can adapt to basically every composition of carbs/fats as long as u hit ur micros.
i mean fats should be roughly 1g per kg of body weight if you are natural maybe even bit less and if you are on gear you certainly need some fat especially some good fats to promote heart health but since you dont need any to make your test then you can drop it significantly and increase your carb intake. I personally know a pro that weighs 120kg+ in offseason and his fat intake is 40g per day.
Reason I would like them to do the video cause I know one is high carb proponent and the other is a high fat proponent
Doesn't matter as long as protein farts come in