"To explore seasons 4 and beyond, we'd need a whole other video" Oh nooooo, how terrible it would be to have another massive length Hbomb analysis to watch
I'm gonna level with you as someone who was a big fan of the series: everything in this video is 100% true and the first three volumes are the best the show ever gets. In fact, they retroactively get better once you compare them to the later volumes
@@IosLocarth I really need that Hbomb video now, I didn't care about RWBY at all but now I need to know how the show declined as more volumes were released.
@@zayalabi9080 I mean at the very least the volumes aren't that long so it's easy to binge. But yeah I'd also like to see him tear the next several volumes to shreds
@@TheTexasDice Unfortunately no, I had moved away from editing by that volume, I did however start the Inconsistency pages. And help with a lot of the initial formatting and layout decisions.
@@madhackrviper probably won't get it with roosterteeths content Id restrictions. This video almost didn't air in its entirety because of it. Not to mention the additional time and money hbomber needed to get around any copyright claims
It frustrates me that “Sephiroth Dumbledore” is nearly a perfect description of his introduction, and then “Gandalf Goku” is equally so for where he ends up.
@@nyorri3490 Without going into spoilers, It's basically a meme in the community that stemmed from a conversation about loss, and since Zuko is characterized as being terrible with emotions all he can think to say is "that's rough buddy" when confronted with the character's problems.
Between Warner dissolving Rooster Teeth, and Netflix remaking Avatar but surgically excising Sokka’s sexism to make the show less “controversial,” this analysis has become more and more interesting.
Yeah, and funny enough this is like my third time watching this because as someone who really wants to be an indie creator of a series someday, I really want all of the tips in this video to be embed in my mind that I keep coming back to take notes. I really hope that when I do get to make some it's at least better than *cough cough* Netflix Avatar
I really can’t believe people care so much about a character trait that was literally gone by EPISODE 4 of the original series (which had 61 episodes, btw)
@@SummDude168 The trait was gone by then, which it would have overstayed it's tolerance if it stuck around any longer, but it was relevant the entire first book. Sokka really doesn't have much else going on as far as character development goes in the first season. The fact that he's relationship with Suki was fundamentally built on the fact made removing it more sexist in the netflix series because it turns her entire character into cute love interest that can fight who then disappears until after the moon stuff happens. Without it, you don't see Sokka get absolutely humbled. Even on top of that, not once in the show is this shown to be a good trait that he has, very much the opposite happens really. And it parallels very nicely when you get to the northern water tribe. Like if the show didn't want sexism to be displayed on camera, then they should have replaced it with literally anything else. The show had no problem leaving in either of the siblings xenophobia anyway (ofc it's fictional nations so that makes it totally fine /s)
@@iamthekingof1omillionsunsets Oh… So you’re telling me the the never ending spiral of fuck ups was my climb up. *Now* it’s all downhill from here. Fuck.
Also, I've just realised why Jaun is so frustrating in the early series: He's written as the protagonist of one of those Isekai Harem anime. He's clueless about the world he's in, has virtually no skills, he has only a single random trait that makes him exceptional (big aura boy) that he acquired with no effort or personal sacrifice, and a female love interest that, despite being dramatically more competant than him, is inexplicably in love with him and prioritises his growth as over her own, so that he can take centre stage in the story, a place that by all logic would belong to her.
Granted, I agree with everything you say, but what’s the problem with him having a lot of aura? I don’t think you can train to have more aura, that’s just something you’re born with in RWBY.
@@MultiBoxingKid nothing wrong with it in particular, but that the only quality that makes him able to stand with the other characters is some random quirk of circumstance. Other characters had to train for most of their childhoods, specialising in their unique skill sets.
Isekai protags are usually compentent though(battle/strenght wise). Like they get love intrest because they're sooo OP and save them or whatever. Your listings sounds more like a romance anime where the protag is an average joe who somehow gets the hottest girl in school imo.
The only problem with him knowing nothing is that there’s no justification. If he had been a really sheltered kid who only found out recently that he’s descended from warriors, it would make sense. Kids growing up not knowing shit happens in real life all the time. Homeschooled kids, kids who live in really closed off communities or cults, kids whose parents keep them away from society because they’re paranoid or angry. There’s an entire spectrum of isolation and harm that that does, and they may have been able to explore that but unfortunately they chalked up his ignorance of the world to just… being stupid? I guess? They once again had a good idea and fumbled it almost impressively
in the immortal words of SarahZ: "worst type of villain is ‘person who holds a fairly reasonable ideology that makes sense in context, but then a bunch of bafflingly evil stuff is added onto it in an obvious attempt to demonize that ideology’"
@@SunlitSonata14272 Except for Kuvira; that time they did the reverse: they wrote a _fascist_ villain and added an uncomfortable amount of sympathy points to make her seem no different from the previous villains, even though her ideology actually *is* toxic.
@@strayiggytv Yes, Legend of Korra is indeed a mess. Avatar: the Last Airbender was a team effort (Mike and Bryan as creators, and Aaron Ehasz as lead writer), and Korra is what happens when a member of the team is missing (no Ehasz) and the other team members try to go on without them.
Haven't finished the video, so don't know the context of this just yet, but arguably it depends on how you go about it. Radicals are a real thing, and every ideology has the potential to become 'evil' with a bad interpretation of how the problems the ideology seeks to counter could be remedied. Just because a show has a bad guy with a reasonable ideology, doesn't mean the writers are necessarily saying that ideology on its own is inherently bad. Of course there *are* also cases where the author is clearly just pushing some sort of agenda, but I find the generalisation of the 'worst type of villain' to be kinda wack. Like, to give a generalised and popular example - Thanos (in the movies) is trying to fix overpopulation, because his homeworld got fucked by overpopulation. Now there are obviously ways he could have gone about fixing this problem for other planets, but he chose the radical decision of just culling off half of everybody. The writer doesn't do this as some kind of an affront towards people who have fears of overpopulation, rather to create a villain with more sympathetic and thus believable motives than just, grr i am bad guy, bad guy do evil thing. Now all that being said, Thanos isn't the ideal perfect example of amazing writing imo, but it's certainly critically 'better' writing than the alternative offered in the comic source material, where Thanos is just simping for the godess of death or something *EDIT:* Aight, I've just got past the White Fang part. My point still stands, uh, kinda. At least it still stands against the SarahZ quote. The White Fang seem to have been written as a Faunus-rights turned Faunus supremacist group - which I think is a valid writing point. I think the reason it's bad isn't because a sensible ideology is being 'demonised', rather because they're using racism as more of an empty plot point. Radicalisation of an ideology that is otherwise sensible can be written well, it's just that RWBY doesn't write it well. A just cause without a just means is a villain concept that can work. As hbomberman mentions, there's just a lack of nuance to the situation and the ideas it brings up aren't really explored meaningfully (I think in one of the later seasons they expand on this a bit more, in the arc where Blake returns to her hometown, but it might be a bit late at that point). Basically, I don't think the 'bafflingly evil stuff' is an inherent problem, and I was gonna say something else but I've forgotten it now so uh-
Even the song writer wrote a better character for Ruby. Red Like Roses tells a story of a girl who is tormented by the death of her mother so much that she’s arguing with her mother beyond the grave about why she left her to fight instead of living to raise her. You don’t get this grief and sadness from seeing Ruby? At least not in the couple of seasons I’ve watched all the way. It would’ve least been interesting if Ruby was a character that hides her pain behind a smile?
I think this is why i love the characters so much, not because of the actual writing, but because i really like the music, and it gives so much insight to the characters when compared to said story writing.
The ending of season 3 and the ending of season 7 are peak rwby. but almost every time it becomes genuinely good, it's good by accident, or good because of something the writers didn't expect. Then they ruin it.
@@l.gsmith8411 that's the thing, just like what he said the ending of this vid, the viewers standards are based around those "accidents" and it's hard to impossible to replicate accidents.
@@wvn9957 sometimes I feel as if the writers were to take a step back and look at well written actual reviews of the season (not angry bullshit) they could easily analyze why watchers liked the season and what made it good. The ending of season 7 is was an amazing season because they actually wrote a REALLY well villian who was actually sympathetic and liked. Then they RUINED it because they didn't expect watchers to actually sympathize with him and understand his point of view, and just made him do evil things in the first damn episode. We need a whole rewriting of the show. Maybe rwby brotherhood, because it has so much damn potential but the writers just keep taking L after L when it comes to writing the story.
@@aleciad7218 nah she was still terrible. With neo she was never able to talk, cinder has been talking since she was introduced. Also cinders entire character during season 4 was "waa, ruby took my eye i want her dead waa!" And a full season later she has her chance and doesn't take it, like wtf?!
“so black people in the U.S are basically Fauna- no not the white claw ones- well you see they were actuallyfighting for-no the deep voices are to show you theyre villains-“
I'm convinced by the view count of the actual episodes and the fierce defenders that most fans do just consume fan and wiki content rather than the episodes
weiss being a racist heiress to a slave-owning corp and blake being faunus could've been potentially so interesting but any conflict arises and is solved within a few scenes and the two barely talked the rest of the time i actually kept watching. how boring
It's the Crash problem: boiling systemic problems down to personal beefs allows (relatively) quick and easy resolutions. Then no one wants to revisit said beef, much less the topic itself, because that would look like "undoing their character development" Really, though, treating a systemic problem like a systemic problem allows you to have characters make up, but then grapple with the fact that these issues are bigger than them and the implications thereof
@@vidmuncher it’s not even undoing character development I don’t think, they later say it’s all her family’s fault while acting like she was never a racist.
It's like what would happen if you let Tumblr Teens actually write a series, it's like "we want to explore serious issues buuuuuuut can we not have any actual conflict??"
Voltrons ending sucked but at least when it reveled that Keith, without knowing, was part of the race that killed alluras entire family, friends, and race their relationship as friends was clearly affected and they did have to have a confrontation about it even if in this situation both sides are understandable/sympathetic. Allura's not wrong for not trusting/liking someone from a race that ruined her entire life and attempted to murder her Keith's not wrong because he didn't know, nor did he choose to be that way
The fourteenth episode of atla is "The Fortuneteller." The previous episode is "The Blue Spirit." The next episode is "Bato of the Water Tribe." This is AFTER the winter solistice!! In the fourteenth episode they bend a volcano so it doesn't kill everybody by working together! Can you imagine if that was the first time they mentioned the word 'bending'? Can you imagine if they never talked about the world or explained it until that moment?! Oh there's uhhh Ice Land where people have water powers. Now we're in Rock Land where people have rock powers. Aang has both air powers and he's started learning water powers don't worry about why he can do that or who Sozin is. There isn't anywhere they're trying to get to they're just touring the world. There might be a war? Maybe? There's some destroyed buildings in the background. They never say bending until 4 episodes before the season finale. No airbending waterbending earthbending firebending as common words with known limits plus magic spirits. God. Can you imagine?
@@unu9651 Also I, Zoidberg am not from this planet why not? And also on this, the eve of Fry's Opera I must let you know that I have been an internal medicine doctor. WoopWoopWoop
Today is 2024 03 06, about 12 hours since Rooster Teeth announced the company was shutting down, and 3 and a half years since this video was posted. The Red trailer currently sits at a touch over 17M. The subscriber count of the Rooster Teeth channel is at 9.02M. The top four videos on the channel remain in the same order, with Angry Birds at 26M, the RvB S8 Tex fight at 18M, and Let's Play Minecraft episode 1 at 17M. 13:00 I was *checking numbers* D:
RWBY sounds like someone let me and my friends make a show when we were 15. We would sit around coming up with cool ideas, but have NO clue how to implement them.
no... It's just their creator died the 2 seasons Monty Oum worked on were awesome but after his demise it lost direction and completely lost its action elements for A LONG TIME
"Jaune is Sokka but without the overcoming misogyny plot line because Miles Luna didn't want to make his self-insert character a misogynist" is so galaxy brain
@@eren34558 Tecnhically, he never does learn to take "no" for an answer. He repeatedly asks Weiss out despite her rejections and backs out only after watching her asking Neptune to be her date. So, yeah, there's no scene where Weiss tells him "no" and he agrees to stop pestering her. It looks mostly as if he's recnognizing the presence of another man, rather than aknowledging Weiss' feelings. The entire dance arc seems hell-bent on making Jaune looks like the offended part, with a few characters encouraging him in his pursuit of Weiss and complimenting him for what a great guy he is, despite evidence of the contrary, especially in this context.
@@eren34558 Yes, I noticed, and I really appreciate him for that, but that doesn't asnwer the point I made: there's no scene where he is confronted by Weiss and learns to take no for an answer. After giving up on inviting Weiss to the dance (again, only because he sees that she's interested in Neptune), he goes to the party, talks to Pyrrha and gets complimented for how great he is for not putting her on a pedestal (despite the fact that he did and that nobody else among the main characters treat Pyrrha in a special way). Then he confronts Neptune, gives him some sound advice about just being himself and gets congratulated again for being so great. At no point Weiss is included in the discussion. For all we know, he gives up on Weiss because he feels sorry for making assumptions and hurting Pyrrha, because he starts having feelings for his teammate or because he doesn't want to step on someone else's turf. Also, what about "chasing women in general"? Aside from a few glimpses in the first episodes with Ruby (the nice, quirky girl to talk to) and Yang (the shot with the onesie), he only showed interest in Weiss. He was never a skirt-chaser to begin with.
@@eren34558 I mean, I don't really hate "RWBY", it's just that particular arc that irks me. But I also haven't read all the comments, so I don't know how much hatred is going around.
I honestly felt Weiss was the worse party between the two, but both were in the wrong somewhat. Weiss was more or less a misandrist bitch to Jaune even when he tried to help her early on. She acted coldly to him in her early judgemental attitude whichfueled Jaune's poor self-esteem issues and made him crave the approval of someone he wanted acknowledgement from. You notice how Jaune never interacted nor pointed out Weiss worse character traits and only focused on her good traits? He deluded himself and only focused on Weiss' talents and virtues to the lack of anything else. He admired her, and she put him down due to her own poor attitude. The more Weiss put Jaune down, thinking he only wanted her for her family name due to her father, she fed into his self-pity and desperation to try harder and he went in the wrong direction. It was only after Weiss met Neptune (who is ALOT like Jaune) that she learned that she was projecting her father onto someone who honestly didn't deserve it, as Yang pointed out at the start. Meanwhile Jaune grew out of his self-hatred with Pyrrha's help, finding acceptance from someone else. He became willing to act like himself and stopped trying to be someone else. Weiss and Jaune fed into each other's worse traits in a representation of a toxic relationship, and grew once they reconciled. The whole Weiss-Jaune sub-plot was a continuation of their character development and tying up loose ends (though it still felt open ended). Weiss became less of an unintentional abusive misandrist, and Jaune (briefly) learned to value himself. ...Before the ending of Volume 3 undid much of that development. I would've honestly liked a final scene between the two at the dance. Weiss apologizing to Jaune and promising to become kinder to him as a friend and Jaune rejecting a dance to spend time with Pyrrha.
And BOTH ended up making the character and the narrative based on Sokka MORE sexist xD Jaune is a loser incel NICE GUY TM, so it is a ok for him to not take No as an answer. Sokka isn't sexist anymore in order to unlearn his sexism, so now Suki is just into him from the get go and even stalks him a bit. Not sexist at all 🙃
Amazing that Monty didn't want to bother writing the story to RWBY, but continuously does a better job of character writing DURING his fights than the writers can.
Miles and Kerry didn’t know enough about writing to understand story mechanisms. I doubt they play the same games as Monty. Having a unique power per character is stupid in terms of reusable assets. But Monty would also disappear and create a new character without telling anyone. Also, three writers without a main show runner? Come on. You also needed to sync with Monty’s workflow which was all local files. So showing not telling might have been arduous. But the writers came from red v blue-they didn’t understand storyboarding. They were strong in jokes and dialogue and bro humor. Also episodic television resets characters, the writers didn’t know that. Rick from Rick and morty reset himself after every episode; his acholicism is to support this story mechanic. This is why shounen manga have tournament arcs. The central story question for every character converges-rather than braid. Cowboy bebop isn’t the best story to learn from. Tragedies are really tricky.
@@PhoenixFireZeroI mean, they kiiiinnddaa had a fighting game? That had rwby as one fourth of a crossover and was how I learned rwby existed (I don’t remember how good it was but it’s called blazblue crosstag battle if you’re interested)
Sukie Shepherd So did a series called Arifuerta and a bunch of other lame fantasies. They just take animal people, paint this really dark picture of society with them, and then go back to trying to be le epic series. That’s not to say Shield Hero sucks, I like it but it does have flaws like that. Arifuerta on the other hand...
Aren't all weebs not that racist (or at least, to a lesser extent that they could've been) because they enjoy things made by the Japanese, an ASIAN race? Or maybe I'm missing something here.
@@nob2243 you can. be racist and profile people selectively based on their heritage while also partaking in a culture that isn't yours's media like being racist isn't a binary off-on switch, dude
Video essay lengths have inflated so much that I was thinking "I kinda wanna go back and rewatch that really long RWBY video Hbomb did" and then I click on it and it's only two and half hours.
This viewpoint surprises me even if I can understand it. I'm sad this video isn't any *longer*, like his Roblox and Plagarism videos were, though maybe that's just a displacement of still waiting for the follow-up video on this topic he teases twice.
The one THIRTY SIX HOUR video about the Beverly Hillbillies that had mini video essays as the intermission but they could still be five hours long so they weren't really mini the main video essay way just four times as long.
Imagine if My Hero Academia never said the word Quirk until episode 14 when the main character, who had a whole arc about getting a quirk, suddenly got shocked that someone else had a quirk, at his quirk-based school. RWBY is a show about people who use powers to fight and they are shocked when someone uses powers to fight.
My guess was always that Jaune just didn't know what a Semblance was because his family didn't have Semblances either (much like how most people in Remnant don't have Semblances or have their Aura activated by proxy. Sort of like how everyone has chakra coils in Naruto, but not everyone knows how to use them or what Chakra is because they haven't learned about it. With that, and the fact Jaune is clueless about a lot of things and had to fake his test results to even get into Beacon, I found it to be somewhat believable that he doesn't know what a Semblance is. Otherwise, he could've just asked his parents/siblings to activate it, since they would presumably know about it as well otherwise... right?
@@whichcache2517 It also goes further than just Jaune. When Phyrra uses her Semblance to move Jaune's shield, Ruby and Weiss are ALSO confused for some reason. And they HAVE and USE their Semblances regularly. It doesn't make any sense why the writers would have them be baffled by Phyrra using an ability when basically everyone in the world has one including them (This isn't to disagree with you to be clear, I do think what you said could be some form of explanation, this is just a note that the writers somehow messed it up with their own Main Characters as well)
@@shay-la-vie Oh, I just thought that was because they didn’t know what her powers were, so they were confused when they were trying to figure out what she just did. Obviously though, they could’ve explained this whole Semblance/Aura thing better, earlier, so that we wouldn’t need to ask all these questions about what certain characters know.
@@whichcache2517 Yeah that definitely makes sense. It just feels kind of clunky when the point of the scene was supposed to be something else and they ignore it for ~Exposition~
And it’s the really crappy ones to where the main characters have to be right all the time, get bullshit power ups out of nowhere and anyone who bad mouths/disagrees with them might as well be another Hitler.
the thing that really drives the nail in the coffin for Yang's semblance is that it's really easy to see a correlation between getting hurt and being angry. If they had just decided on it being anger from the start it would've opened up loads of pathways for arcs discussing questions like which kinds of anger it includes (what if she's upset with herself?), if it applies to other strong emotions and whether using pure anger to fight is effective. I personally have imagined an entire arc where she screws up bad on a mission but becomes much stronger in fights, only for it to be revealed she's actually using internalized frustation and anger at her own mistakes or helplesness and has to realize how that isnt healthy despite the power boost. A character who's power is linked to strong emotions is just begging for awesome character development!!!
it’s been a while since i watched it but i thought they did that? didn’t they have that whole arc where yang learns when and how to use her anger in a constructive way?
@@richieordeanidc536 no. essentially, they told her she's over-reliant on her semblance because "it's a glorified temper tantrum" (despite this never being an evident flaw in her fighting prior to this) and repeatedly told her to use it less, despite her never being shown to use it any more than anyone else (bar ruby and weiss; w ruby hardly ever utilising her very-useful semblance and weiss actually being the one who over-relies on her semblance - summoning, specifically). this arc didnt really touch on her alleged-anger problems (beside a few comments here-and-there), instead forcing yang to just stop using her semblance all out; something that we never see applied despite the arc being concluded. this is a common problem within rwby, wherein they'll get stuck on what arcs to give the girls and arbitrarily create flaws for them to *fix* (not work around or adapt to - it's always "fixing" said-flaws), despite the writers' lazy storytelling actually organically creating flaws for the characters (both personality-based *and* action-wise) that will never be acknowledged or addressed. another example of this is the "ruby needs to learn hand-to-hand" conflict which was materialised out of the blue - ruby had actually been shown to be entirely-fine at h2h in every instance prior to this, but the writers randomly decided that she's too reliant on crescent rose and needs to learn h2h in the event that she is unable to access crescent rose (which was only ever a problem *once*, in the very ending of v8 and active in v9; which took place long after she'd already "overcome" this non-existent flaw of hers). funnily enough, *weiss* (again) is the one who shouldve had this arc as she is *constantly* finding herself unable to access myrtenaster and rendered-useless in battle (since she's the one who's *actually* shown to be incapable of h2h). regardless though, the writers' insistence that every flaw must be *fixed* is what irritates me the most. ruby was never shown to be left wo crescent rose in battle (at the time) and even if she was her semblance is literally *perfect* for tactical retreats in the event that she's defenceless in battle - instead of wasting ruby's and the audience's time learning h2h, they shouldve dedicated that arc to her mastering her semblance and acclimating herself to using it in battle; that would address an *organic* flaw w ruby's character, freshen up her combat and make it more interesting and versatile to watch, address an interesting character flaw of hers wherein she clearly has some sort of hang-up ab retreating (qrow v tyrian, for example) *and* would allow her to finally explore the possibility of picking up and transporting multiple people w her semblance like we're teased. but no, never, not in *my* 3d abomination. the people only want to see jaune - the real main character! anyways the point is that, whilst yang's "anger issues" were never an organic flaw that was present in any of her fight scenes prior to its conception (because her fighting style was literally based off of a strategic, defensive style utilised by monks), they couldve made it an interesting arc regardless if they had written it as u suggested; yang learning to use her heightened-emotions constructively. however, they certainly did not do that, due to the writers' inability to allow their characters to maintain recognised-flaws; instead instead going w the boring and nonsensical plot line of yang being forced to just hardly ever use her semblance because "flaw = bad and bad = must be purged"
Heck, even as it is, a single tweak would fix the inconsistency: she could store the power from taking damage, and getting angry is what allows her to release it. You could make an arc about her learning to activate her semblance deliberately instead of it only triggering when she's angry.
@@BFedie518 You could even have her learn that it's not anger that draws out the stored power, but passion, as anger and love are two sides of the same coin. You could end her arc with a positive message about how expressing one's emotions is healthy as long as you are conscious of not letting those emotions define you or decide your actions for you. Righteous anger is also a thing and if she had an actual arc you could explore the nuance of such a thing
@@aracelissilva9613 Made worse by the fact that they decided to throw in a second power system that's even more poorly defined than the first one in the form of magic, what makes magic so special compared to Aura and semblances? Who knows? The show sure doesn't.
@@jonathanjuarez5544 and now, in volume 9, semblences can f-ing evolve!!!! What??? Shit already doesn't make sense WHY do they keep introducing new shit??????? Just try figuring out the simple things first!!
With how long these videos are, it should be a mausoleum with that inscribed on the door. And when you go in, you get a bunch of images and writing explaining his life and all the circumstances that led to his death.
@@pentbot he focused on volumes 1-3 actually. He touched on 4 a little but he also said a little about 6. But tbh, 6 was probably the better of the post beacon arc stories. They had a lot of good shit, like the apathy for example, a concept that only really worked in a horror like setting. It made that episode a lot more engaging and enjoyable. Its the one example of rwby doing something right. I just wish they dedicated more episodes to this horroresqe style. Maybe even making the whole show more horror themed.
In my writing class, we had an extended conversation about what we mean when we criticize a work for feeling "fan fictiony." That conversation eventually spun off into a whole assignment. And I swear, an entire half of the people in that class chose RWBY as the subject of their essay.
With the fast talking professor, his "quirk" could actually be used in a quite powerful way. By the time the animal people lesson took place, it would be already established that he doesn't take things too seriously. But when the discrimination subject comes up, he talks slowly and clearly. Making sure the students get every detail. This would instantly make it a much more serious and investing scene. But no, instead they just made it seem like a joke
Honestly, I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of fanfics doing exactly this, because it's such an easy way to use a character quirk to lend gravitas. I can't remember how many times I've read a Professor Oobleck that still talks faster and with more technical terms the more excited he is at something because he just can't contain his passion well enough for other people to keep up, but is also driven by that same passion to take extra care when the mood turns serious, so that his point is perfectly clear. As joyful as Fandom Oobleck is at the prospect of discovery and exploration, he is also sober and respectful in regards to the hard lessons sometimes learned, because Oobleck gives not one, but several fucks, about teaching, or knowledge, or history, or whatever central passion a given author has used to flesh out his character. Also I've basically never read anyone reusing his exact canonical lines about racism, because those lines are shit.
I think they had the opposite idea, that drawing attention to, singling it out you might say, was worse. For example it would be like somone making a pun about the color black in the prescience of a black guy and then profusely apologizing, that's far more insensitive and ignorant than just carrying on as normal.
There was a game called Anachronox and one of the team members you get had a Babble style attack. Literally just verbally assaulting people with academic nonsense. Mildly ironically the game's cutscenes, skipping the game parts, was one of the most viewed things on Machinima. I love that game. It's fight gameplay is unbalanced garbage, if you play it just put it on the easiest setting because it only impacts the fight mechanic and the difference between easy and hard is fight is easy and takes 1 minute and fight is easy and takes 10 minutes. But the story, the RPG stuff, and the non-fight gameplay is golden.
@@Unit-3D i know this comment is like 2 years old, but do you still know any of the good fanfics you mentioned that has prof oobleck going off the rockers? I remember reading some awhile ago but forgot their names
No kidding. I saw right through that when that happened. It was so obvious there that I was sort of surprised they didn't make the bunny girl a _bunny girl_ .
@@KibblezanBitz Monty had semi-decent rule for RWBY in that he was extra iffy with the idea of sexualizing underage children. His ground rules were basically - least questionable outfits possible, no panty shots, etc. Coincidentally seasons after Monty's passing suddenly have those 15 year olds in corsets, butt-capes, with boob windows, etc. Oh and giant blue naked lady at one point. Oh and yeah in spite of going to cold climate region with snow and storms and the like - nobody got more clothes because LORE REASONS.
That animation.... I tried giving the show a try, but it fucking sucks, except the fight scenes. And when it finally got good, it went to shit. Sucks man.
for anyone here 3 years later: casey lee williams actually does her own music now!!! also she was only 12/13 in the trailers which is NUTS. theyre a wildly talented vocalist.
@@icecreamhero2375 the issue here is they take bits and pieces of stuff they like without understanding why they worked. And they do this instead of actually taking bits and pieces of the real world. That makes it basically just a shallow reflection of other media that isnt capable of saying much about the world we live in.
"RWBY is fanfiction for a show that doesn't exist!" I mean, if you told me RWBY was a crossover fanfic between Miles and Kerry's favorite animes with a lot of OCs that Monty Oum decided to make into an animated show I would believe you.
@@lozofspielereien Wait, were you NOT doing that until 13+??? I thought it was a universal experience that all little kids had to pick which Sonic characters they were going to have fight over them in their imaginary innerworld story, like a starter pokemon??? (except for people who couldnt imagine one cus aphantasia idk)
@@jellifygirl W-Well... NO! Not on the Internet at least, so you can't prove anything! I was saved by being too sheltered, not even knowing wtf is a "Sonic"!
"The show has garnered a pretty large following and a super devout fanbase, and it's easy to see why: The show frequently threatens to suddenly become good." What a perfect description of so many shows that get so close and yet fall flat halfway there.
@@justanotherchannelonyoutub126 we're tired is seeing RWBY be "technically". We want it to be "definitely". A show can't just be technically good,it's either you like it or you don't or some weird amalgamation of an emotion inbetween.
I feel like a lot of what makes a story successful is the way it sets up expectations, and how it delivers its payoffs. ideally, you want people interested in a work, but with their expectations relatively low. if you can pull that off, you have the opportunity to really blow your audience away. this is why a lot of my favorite media has beginnings that seem really quaint or simple before they escalate. what's unfortunate about RWBY is that it kind of gets this backwards. the trailers are really good, and they set your expectations sky high for what the show will be like. then you start episode one, and _that's_ when things get quaint, simple, low stakes, and goofy. not what you had primed yourself for. picture for a moment, a world where RWBY didn't have those trailers at all. the show began with episode one after having been hyped up primarily via word-of-mouth before the release. now, you can imagine some fixes within the show itself if you want to... but ultimately what we're dealing with is a story about four teenage girls who meet each other at magical monster hunter school. the tone is light... it hasn't really tipped its hand as to how good it might get yet. some might even think that all it ever aspires to be is a slice-of-life school drama. but then let's say that one of the fights from the trailer is integrated into the show, (or at least a fight of similar quality to that), as a climactic moment within the story. up until this point, your expectations had been set at somewhere around the level of "background characters are just shadowy silhouettes" and "dust cloud with fists and stars flying out of it = two characters fighting" but now? the show just bumped up its standing with you a LOT in a very short amount of time. that's when you start hounding your friends to watch this hidden gem you just stumbled upon. you get to feel like you yourself have struck gold. but then the trick going forward, for the people making this show, would be to not spend all their good ideas in one place. a truly good idea is one that makes the _writers_ excited to see more of their own creation. an audience trusts an author the most when they consistently prove that they, as an author, are interested in what they made for the same reasons as their fans. you might not know what the author intends to do next, like, there can be a lot of crazy shit on the table... but you can believe that the author is more interested in using the avenues they have, rather than ruining any part of the core appeal. I think RWBY just jumped the gun (haha) with its big action set pieces. it put the cart before the horse.
My brother tried to show me RWBY when i was about 14 and there were some good aspects of it. But i remember getting so uncomfortable, to the point where i felt embarrassed to even be watching it, with the depictions of the characters. It felt so much like all the women were written as weird reddit waifus and not real people- i mean RWBY is literally the epitome of 2015 tumblr goth girl. Their dialogue was weird, the voice acting even worse, and their mannerisms felt like they were created by men who had never met a woman and were basing it off what they wished women were… and none of the interviews with thr writers i saw in this video disproved my opinion
this is exactly what's happening IMO, and i think another issue that compounds onto how unnatural the writing for the students feels is that the authors do this thing where the characters are almost all supposed to be 17, eg one year out from being legal american adults, but most of the time they're written like they're 13, to the point of the cast largely being separated into these weird "child" and "adult" halves even though the show really doesn't contain any actual children and even Ruby, specifically the youngest one, is still a mid-teen and not a child. a bunch of the staff at beacon are like 7 foot something, as if during early writing they meant for these to all be kids just entering high school, then someone changed the numbers so they're actually more or less young adults (particularly in anime terms) but forgot to actually change the writing. but also the showrunners salivate weirdly over the characters because they can't make up their mind on what they're writing about or who they're writing for, and then the fact that the characters spend half the story behaving like 13 year olds starts to become deeply creepy. i don't even think this was intentional! i think the versions of the characters who exist in the writer's heads when they're not at work and the versions of the characters who actually get written when they're in the writer's room are just so fundamentally different that nothing makes any sense.
Man Weiss actually having to confront her own racism especially with the fact that Blake is a former White Fang would have been peak drama, but they went the cowards way out. Oh well knowing the writing talent they'd probably have fucked it up if they went for it anyway.
There’s a guy on TH-cam who redid the series from the ground up: in it Weiss is a full on racist who actively tries to better herself. The guy’s name is “Celtic Phoenix.”
literally me with the sherlock video omg, like I've never watched it but now I can have like a pretty good conversation about it, acknowledge it's flaws, what it did well, and the bits I like about it lmao. Like Hbomb just like DELIVERS when it comes to analysing media
@@SgtDax wait so, rewrite Adam so that he's instead like an incel that got rejected and was so upset about it he joined the anti Faunus stormfront and pledged to destroy her life (and also her people)? His bad dialogue suddenly becomes weirdly more believable. The obviously better thread of rwby does weapons, makes one for John D'ark (I know.), Even granting some extra ship teasing between ruby and jaune. And stuff like throwing herself into it, or being burned out and not feeling it, are threads that could help show the character during some of the later seasons. As well as letting them switch up a couple weapons more easily and gradually, rather than sudden random blacksmith, then atlas upgrades for all.
So, fun fact: I watched RWBY on crunchyroll because they had the Japanese dub. I tough the voice actors were super annoying and the Japanese version had some voice actors who I was a fan of, so that's the version I watched. Anyways, the Japanese dub cut out entire episodes of the show and I didn't notice anything until I started seeing clips on youtube that they had cut. So they could've actually removed like half of the show and not lost anything important.
Exactly. They mostly cut all the sucking-Jaune's-dick 'cause not only does it not have any weight in the overall story, it was boring as hell and stole important screen time from the main characters.
"we need a Sokka" Oh so you want to include a character who despite being comic relief and powerless in a world with super powers is incredibly talented, smart, and works incredibly hard in order to contribute to the super powered friends he's always around? Because that's who Sokka is, not just the butt of every joke. He has no bending abilities but is smart enough to beat a bender who's power is never even explained using a boomerang and quick math. He helps develop the first hot air balloon in the world and is partly responsible for the airships that develop afterwards and was smart enough to utilize water bending to design the first ever submarines after seeing earth bending be used in similar ways (trains and the mail system in Omashu). He's the one that was trusted with planning the eclipse raid despite being with more seasoned soldiers. "we need a Sokka" and then making a clueless comic relief idiot tells everyone that you don't understand what makes Sokka so special despite being in a group with a water bending prodigy, an earth bending prodigy, a prince who's destined to change a nation, and the literal chosen one destined to save the world. Because without Sokka, the group wouldn't have had a route to take. Zuko's assassin would have killed the group. The eclipse raid wouldn't have been as effective and the retreat wouldn't have gone as well. Airships and submarines might not have been developed as fast. The fire nation armada wouldn't have been stopped.
Maybe if Jaune had been written as having this heritage and these expectations etc. but also been written to not have a semblance? But he still really wants to go to the RWBY hunter school/ends up getting in somehow (faking his way in like he did in canon I think Hbomb said)? I'm kind of stealing that from "Sky High" and "The Dragon Prince," but it would be... something?
@@sholem_bond Or just straight up rip off Avatar - Jaune is the only guy in big family and feels like he has to be better than his sisters to protect them. He's not the best, but he tries. He goes to Beacon without Aura unlocked because he feels smothered in home. Then you can have nice growth plotline in Beacon, where Jaune makes himself into good Hunter. Maybe tie that to "weapon maker" side of Ruby, let him be not the combat-oriented but strategist, researcher, aura-expert, something like that.
@@signer0001 Not to mention he should be actively participating in class. You can't have a character who wants to live up to familial legacy that literally does not make any effort in class at all. It would make more sense if Jaune was struggling even while trying hard and then lashes out at Pyrrha after that.
@@ApexGale Fucking exactly, "I have to learn all this myself otherwise what am I good for" and then they show him NOT LEARNING SHIT AND SLEEPING IN CLASS. God, writers contradicting themselves makes me so angry. And it also could've been nice setup for the conflict for Jaune and Pyrrha - him trying his best but failing , and her being combat and school prodigy that makes it look easy, which reminds him of home where sisters were always better than him, therefore making him hate her offers to train him.
@yeh uda ... Which is "The most dangerous weapon ever designed". Yeah, the show doesn't bother to actually treat Crescent Rose as such in fight scenes or anywhere else because it doesn't know how to do powerscaling, but that's just another problem with this series coming from the logical conclusion from Ozpin's statement.
@yeh uda Can you please tell me the parts or moments of the series where these quotes are mentioned for Ruby's nerdiness of weapons? I need to check them out myself if I forgot.
@@KumOverHere The way this person writes, comments and arguments is very similar to how Eren Denburg Niederhoffer used to harass people in the comments back when this video was still relatively new... except he was *FAR* more persistent in his stupidity and had even dumber responses, so nah, I guess. But I wouldn't be surprised if this guy _at least_ had come out from the same "circle" that Eren did.
Then at the end, the eulagizer pulls back their hood to reveal HARRIS! The mourners gasp in shock, "That's right baby, it's a TWO-PARTER! See you all in a few more years!"
Interesting fact: In the video, Hbomb points out that Monty Oum was watching Dragonball Z whike editing. Takahata talked about his interactions with Monty Oum on stream, and revealed that it's specifically Team Four Star's DBZ Abridged series that Monty is watching there!
Related fact: Multiple members of TFS have voiced in minor roles at different points in the series. Scott Frerichs (KaiserNeko) played multiple individuals including an Atlesian businessman, a faunus wth ram horns, and some nasty kid bullies, and Nick Landis (Lanipator) played a bartender in V5 who sounds exactly like his Piccolo.
RWBY's fandom can be summed up by recognizing that we don't like RWBY itself, but the *idea* of what RWBY could and should be, and suffering through it not being that.
Yep,the people that like the show now are weird...but the people that like RWBY concept are different. Like is bizarre thing that there is this split in the fandom that never will be solved.
I've watched the entire series and after watching this, I completely agree. RWBY needs a complete reboot or rewrite to be anything. It wasn't a show, it was just mindless yet mindblowing action. However, if they choose to give RWBY a second and better chance... I think we need different directors and writers. If they're trying to fix it, then time to go the DC/Marvel route kill the universe, recon, start over, and learn from the mistakes.
The whole thing about Ruby being a weapon nerd/hobbyist mad inventor, only for that trait to be dropped is like, a top 10 biggest let downs for the show (which is impressive for a show made almost entirely of let downs). It's not only a super interesting a unique character trait, that could tie into Ruby's social awkwardness (being a shut-in who spends more time drawing, designing, and creating cool weapons than socializing with people), but also serve as a legitimate means of bonding her to her friends and teammates. Weiss comes on very strongly as a prim, spoiled, and privileged girl used to getting what she wants, used to bossing people around. When she comes into conflict with Ruby about being the leader, it would be more interesting if Ruby, not being used to such harsh and directed criticism, initially ceded to Weiss's demands, preferring to avoid the conflict rather than play it out, because she's not well socialized. But because of Weiss's leadership being so militant, stiff, harsh, and strict, her teammates fail to live up to her high expectations, and/or execute her plans properly, because they either don't understand, don't respect, or simply don't care about her plans, because she's so unlikable and uncharismatic as a leader. This gets team RWBY into serious trouble when they find themselves surrounded by bad guys and in serious peril, when, in desperation, Weiss turn to Ruby to see if she has any idea. Ruby, who has been spending a lot of time watching each of her teammates fight, and by now has a pretty good idea of how their weapons, Semblances, and fighting styles work, comes up with an unorthodox plan that might just work, and saves the day. This way, we show that Ruby, despite her immaturity and inexperience, has the right mindset to be an effective leader, and a capable Huntress; being such a weapons nerd, a Hunter-fangirl, and being creatively-minded, in a way that can put together abstract pieces of information and arrange them into a coherent pattern, makes her a far more effective leader than the much more refined Weiss. This COULD have been the conflict between Weiss and Ruby, but instead it was nothing.
Thinking about a weapon's inventor Ruby reminds me of a young Tony Stark from Iron Man: Armored Adventures. It would've been a REALLY cool way to play out a character!
@@StardustLegend And you could pack in so many little bonding moments where, throughout the series, Ruby helped her friends and teammates improve their weapons, or design them new ones from the ground up if need be, it could have been super cool and fun.
The intro robbery: The bad guy could have used the dust he was stealing in the fight against Ruby to immediately demonstrate how it is used. Buuuut they didn’t >.
I know the video is already 2 and a half hours, but I was surprised that when you spoke about the Faunus, you didn't mention the fundemental problems with Blake's character. She talks to Sun in Menagerie about how this land that was given to them is so difficult to live in, and that it's something that was given to them to effectively shut them up, and because no one wanted it because it's overrun with Grimm. They do this sitting in a fucking beach front bar, sipping fruity cocktails... And then they walk across this island paradise, with massive roads wide enough for multiple cars, looking at the houses in this beautiful place, saying how they all live on top of one another... Not only is that not the case as we are literally being shown the wide open streets and single story huts, but the crown fucking jewel is when Sun asks "Which house is yours?". And then she points to the HUGE FUCKING MANSION in the middle of the settlement, with room around it for fucking attached grounds... And that's what I mean about Blake's character suddenly breaking... She's not the victim of racial prejudice, because this instantly turns her into a spoilt rich kid who's acting out against her daddy... Which I guess you can make into something with regards to character, but it completely broke the character for me. And then when you actually see Atlas and Mantle later in the show, where Faunus are actually living in seriously difficult conditions, in virtual slums, ACTUALLY STACKED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, she comes off like such a massive privilaged bitch - ironically mirroring Weiss a lot more than I think they ever intended...
He mostly focused on the first 3 volumes for this video. I wouldn't be surprised if he was saving that strong criticism for a possible future RWBY video that spoke about the disasters that were volumes 4-9. Of course, it's good that you also pointed this up, along many other fans who kept up with the show, but that scene is from volume 4. He probably was also planning to criticize harshly the Argus, Haven, and Atlas arcs, especially the episode With Friends Like These and the terrible volume 8 finale, which combined with volume 9 pretty much killed the show. But well, only time will tell if he will make another video to criticize the post-Monty volumes or the Rooster Teeth company as a whole.
This sounds like what happens when the writers and environmental artists don't properly speak to each other. Like, not a single person noticed the discrepancy and pointed it out. They presumably just used the pre-built city assets they had already worked on but no one pointed out that would actively contradict the story telling in the scene
There's something that I would like to bring up is that we're introduced to Blake's past with her in dirty clothes, unkempt hair, and dirt is on her face. We're led to believe that she was an orphan living on the streets and Adam took her in by the way she talks about her past. An alley cat, so to speak. This would be an actually interesting piece of history for her character and give her interest in being a huntress purpose. But, much like everything that could have been interesting about RWBY, the writers went with something incredibly tone-deaf instead. Now Blake is this privileged rich girl that's never faced hardship in her life and is the heir to her own independent city state, who got to travel to another country to study abroad, preach about social justice but never actually do anything about it, and then told the oppressed masses fighting for change that it's their fault they don't have rights.
@@Midnight-StarfishThere is so much story potential in deliberately making a character as shitty a person as you describe Blake being. That's a *fantastic* starting point for an arc. Of course, to take advantage of that, you have to know what you're doing...
"People aren't going to buy your Boop shirt if they're sad about racism." And yet Avatar managed to tackle genocide AND racism while still being a fun, enjoyable show.
Genocide, xenophobia, politics, abusive parents, grey morality of war, dealing with death, intricate human relationships, and hope when everything seems to be lost. Everything tied neatly in a child-friendly story with excellent execution. Again, the writers of RWBY just picked things they thought was cool but didn't understand why. And from the end result, we can assume they didn't even TRY to understand the source material.
“I didn’t watch Monty Oum’s RWBY to watch Miles Luna’s Avatar”. I think out of all the scathing comments I’ve heard on this show, I felt that one. Wow.
@@SunlitSonata14272 There are a lot more than these two shows that have all these things and more in common (Nevermind that there is really only one matching character dynamic between the two of them).
@@sebpaul3548 Ain't that the truth. They are actually really good. Like some of the best fanfictions I ever read. And has quite a bit of originality and creativity.
55:44 in the commentary on the dvd Miles and Kerry say that their head cannon is that team RWBY had a sleepover to decide their team attack names….. YOU ARE THE WRITERS! PUT THAT IN THE STORY THEN
I don't mean to sound pretentious or dour about a creative project, but the responsibility of a writer involves many things that I think Miles and Kerry saw as a slight inconvenience. The writers run the show with a fanboy mentality. They have "headcanons" and wish fulfillment OCs and make scenes based on cool stuff from other shows.
@@ycleptprof.5249 I think you’re right. I feel like they spent especially the early days writing the show as fans and not as showrunners/writers/etc. I’m glad they got some help by hiring new writers in the later seasons
@@ycleptprof.5249 I think you’re right on the money, here. They wrote the characters as though the audience was already familiar with them instead of doing actual characterization. It’s basically just putting character models into scenarios that feel like they’re clipped out of context.
@@fredericksmith7942 I rather like it more how you put it. It makes me think of someone making a fan edit for their OCs and the comments are just like, "tf are these guys?" 🤣 Like we're supposed to already know who they are and what their deals are. Now I can't sleep thinking about a bunch of confused people looking at cool fight scenes with scant continuity. Thank you.
Avalon Code and Achron are my top two in that category. For the former, look at the screenshot run on LParchive, that's a great adaptation to draw out the good bits.
"The show could have been anything and it wants to be anything but itself." Probably the best description of the show's problems. Great stuff as always!
Honestly what makes the Faunus Racism Subplot even better was just how Season 5 resolved the whole thing. Blake essentially tells the oppressed minorities that came to this place to avoid oppression that it’s their fault they’re oppressed because they aren’t nice to humans and don’t police themselves enough. Truly a remarkable tale of prejudice and systemic oppression.
What slum? The Faunus all live on a secluded tropical island paradise. They’re not the aliens from District 9 who live in an actual slum. Aside from that yeah it’s really fucking hilarious that one of the main characters (who’s whole thing was her fighting against her people’s oppression or at the very most being vocal about it happening) turns around and says it’s all their fault.
if they "needed a sokka character," why not make one of the main girls that character? it really seems like all the women are generic anime women whose arcs are 2 seconds long, and then the men get personalities & character arcs (poorly written but still present).
Oh sure, but which character could've even theoretically filled that position? It's not like one of their four lead characters is explicitly written as incredibly inexperienced, invested in doing the right thing regardless of difficulty, a natural leader, and would also have a lot of things to learn now that she's been accelerated into a position she would otherwise have been too young to fulfil. There's probably not a single person in the cast who could take the place as the normal-knees addition to the super team who then grows into the pivotal role they've been thrust into. God, now I kind of want to see what Ruby would've been like if there was some sort of "it's bad for kids to unlock their aura before the end of puberty, so we unlock it in their last year at Signal Academy" plot point. She would surely be aware of aura, but could still be in a position to get a quick on-screen cliffnotes summary from her dad/uncle before they unlock it for her to get her ready for Beacon. Not being able to use it to its fullest potential in a fight could be the reason she steps back and starts coming up with off the wall strategies for the Giant Nevermore fight, it would give weiss more of a reason to resent being placed under her, give Ruby a reason to react with "uh...what?" when someone uses their aura to lift a shield from twenty yards away...okay, hang on. This started as a "What if Ruby was the main character of RWBY" joke, but now I kind of want to explore it.
@@VorthodWiler the thing about characters is that you can write them however you want, so they could make it any of the characters and just write them to be inexperienced, doing the right thing, and a natural leader. believe it or not you can plan stories with your writers' room & then choose to make the characters whatever people you want them to be, so if you want to include a kind of character, you can make it one of the main characters by doing it.
I haven't watched this show, but Weiss is in no way generic, and she has quite the arc. My good friend Paul has told me all about this show, and he always made sure to mention this fact in our many conversations on the subject.
I've got a 10 week old kitten that sat still and watched this for at least 45 minutes. He's never sat still that long while awake. I liked it quite a bit too.
@@Tman102792 LGBT folk too. Even Consultants can be helpful. Side note; I get this is a joke, but an issue with Vol 4 was how a slap happened BECAUSE of that lack of communication between the directors/writers and the animation. It was actually meant to be like a playful pap you may do to a friend who made a the kind of dumb jokes you love them for rather than what they ended up going for and it ignited many a discourse about the characters and their relationship being problematic rather than, you know, the production of the show being really bad to it's animators lol
Which do you think is worst: him saying that or that one time he was telling a story about how awesome it was to date a bi girl since his girlfried got drunk once and made out with another woman in front of him and he got to watch them kiss with his friends?
HBombs last video is going to be him as a 90 year old man complaining about how death itself sucks and shouldn't happen. and om his tombstone there will be a QR code linking to that video.
Ngl Monty just coming up with random characters that had to be put in somewhere does explain how like half the cast are cool concepts that have no place in the story
Ruby being a genius inventor and always nerding out super hard over everyones weapons was the most interesting thing of the entire show to me that one actual personality trait was enough for me to originally fall in love with the show, and have been met with nothing but disappointment as the writers JUST COMPLETELY FORGOT THAT EASY & OBVIOUS PLOT DEVICE BEHIND
@@Thunder-Sky I imagine that when they finally wake Weiss up, Ruby's gonna be like, "This is the part that shoots the bullets, we fought a Nevermore, how don't you know this!", or something like that maybe.
what kind of makes me sad is that ruby despite her inventor archetype they did not really explore that? Like she could of had MacGyver moments every now and then heck we could of had a moment where ruby managed to add upgrades to all of the gang's weapons.
@@Suninrags You could even make it another character arc for her. How far does she go before it's too far, when it comes to upgrading their weapons? What if her upgrade in theory is very powerful, but because she doesn't account for how it would feel for her teammates, it causes them to have an accident and she has to live with that guilt?
The aura scene could have been so much better without changing much at all. Pyrrha: [playfully condescending] "You DO know what aura is, right?" Jaune: [in a funny tone but completely serious] "Yeah, it's my force-field!" Pyrhha: [annoyed and maybe even a little offended at this oversimplification] "[infodumps for a bit, then trails off]... you know what? I don't think any of this is gonna make it into your force-field." [flicks him on the head] Jaune is still stupid, but in the sense of having only a simplified and even childish understanding of things that important not just in the setting, but to him, personally. Pyrhha still infodumps, but in response to hearing something so dumb it made her angry, which is relatable to anyone who's ever been alive and met another person.
Yes, that's actually an excellent idea, since it's just like the first episode of Avatar - Sokka oversimplifies bending, Katara gets mad and Sokka quips back. No idea how they managed to butcher exposition so much, even after seeing it done well in other shows.
Honestly, this is probably the most damning thing about RWBY's writing. It's not great, but works well enough for me most of the time; but then I see so many people showing their rewrites of anywhere from individual scenes to the entire series so far and gone "damn, that would have actually been a great way to do that." So the writing CAN be done better, and even has to varying degrees by fans and other writers!
@@screeno42 That's why the entire series feels like a first draft; all it needed was some simple rewrites to trim the fat and focus the story a bit, but nope.
Honestly, that's short-sighted thinking. If you make a darker story, but keep more light-hearted moments, the "boop" stands out that much more and thus is arguably even more marketable. Even Avatar knew how to juggle really dark moments with really light moments.
I was going to say that quote's emblematic of neoliberalism, but I honestly don't quite understand that term enough to know if I'm using it properly. Is it?
@@CrowTR0bot i dont think hbomb was saying you couldn't do this, but this what the creators were thinking about. i don't this this is a point he was too serious with.
Yeah xD My theory is that - since originally Ruby also wore a cross in the trailer and then they changed in the show -- they forgot to the same with Qrow. And Qrow probably orignally only designed to be related to Ruby before they made her and Yang siblings. So yeah, I think they forgot to change his pins to some thing because, a BILLION years later, they did introduce religion into this universe and it has nothing to do with jesus XD
Can we get like Rwby: Brotherhood or something?... like, it's okay guys. Feel free to remake the entire show just to get it right this time Edit 1: Ok, so apparently we are getting an anime adaption of Rwby made by Studio Shaft (Monogatari Series). Could this be the new take Rwby needed? It's safe to say i'm hyped Edit 2: Rwby anime was.... ok I guess
I would love it. I have been thinking and talking about it for almost a year now. But God knows how long it will take to happen or even if it will be worth it at all because of how much more messed up RWBY is. Besides, we'd _definitely_ need another writing team for this, of course. Some that doesn't go "WoW, stOrE rObErY CoOL" mentality at the actual story.
What I don't understand is the fact that the original FMA wasn't terrible. The ending was convoluted to say the least, but overall it wasn't bad. RWBY has fundamental problems that need to be fixed which will in turn completely change how the story gets told. At that point, a reboot isn't likely. A completely new show in a different time period is where I would go presuming Rooster Teeth sees the project as worthwhile. Which I would watch no questions asked of course.
@@LiveType Theoretically, it should be possible to fix at least its early mistakes without straying _too far_ from what makes RWBY, RWBY and its original major plotline. At least up to Volume 3 and the Fall of Beacon. The problem is the immeasurable ammount of screentime and technical skill that would be needed to be deticated just to explore its missing concepts, fix the plot holes and connect its thousands of loose ends and disjointed plot points into a cohesive story together with proper pacing! Edit: Yeah, I'm trying my best with a RWBY "remake" fanfic right now and oooh boy, that's a lotta work just dedicated to the outline of the plot. But it's possible if you are creative enough to work around the major plotline events and expand the lore "sideways" and add other events to justify how and why they were needed, specially if you tweak just some minor details of the worldbuilding around it. But yeah, that's the natural problem that comes with high stakes stories with intrigue plans that have dozens upon dozens of moving parts.
No, FMA 2003 didn't become popular by using cool fight as it's crutch or by pulling from Frankenstein, the Divine Comedy, real life, etc in just surface level appearances as RWBY is. The staff had an understanding of it's story, characters and how to utilize themes to progress them. Like Liore/Reole wasn't moved to a desert just cause thats where the Iraq War was, it's because that influence actually serves a narrative and thematic purpose. There is not an equal lack of good storytelling here, if there were far more US fans would've dropped it and rushed to read the manga when it was released in 2005, they did not....and many still don't. RWBY at it's core it's just _"oooh look epic fights"_ so it didn't properly tell the story of it's characters because it doesn't know WHO THEY TRULY ARE OR WHY THEY'RE HERE. The entire series would have to be rewritten with an intent to actually tell something not just show cool stuff. How RWBY was given 100+ episodes in such a state is a mystery and just...exhausting to me.
I've never seen this show but my friend said that RWBY feels like AI generated anime and after watching this video (for some reason) I'd say she was completely right lol.
Its mostly avatar. If it were all Avatar, then it wouldn't have Cowboy Bebop The Movie's Opening, Soul Eater's weapon, or Naruto's tournament arc climax.
Short Version: Writing amateur hour. Nepotism. Used friends instead of professionals. Red Flag: You're hiring writers to help the animator... and the animator has to teach the writers you hired about the genre they're supposed to be writing in...
Another problem is that Anime is not a genre. Being asked to make an anime is like asking someone to make a movie. Yeah, there are common tropes but, in the same way that there are differences between Superhero action movies and spy thrillers, there are differences between different anime genres. Monty gave them a mashup of various things and expected them to make sense of it. It would have been fine if he just said "let's make a TV show styled after an anime" but he gave them HOMEWORK for it. The copy paste was bound to happen because of this. They shouldn't have treated RWBY as an anime, they should have treated it as a show that was animated. Anime isn't a genre, it is just Japanese animation.
@@mekingtiger9095 that's the low part of the season. The festival fights themselves were great and Shonen anime should take lessons from those choreographies.
1:04 Well, Harris Bomberguy, it will please you to know that "Sherlock is Garbage, and Here's Why" won't be on your gravestone. Instead a 4-hour video about plagiarism will be playing on loop on your headstone.
I mean, he did do a 3 hour video on Deus Ex before that Edit: holy shit, I didn't realize that the latest video was even longer than that. It's almost 4 hours long! I watched it in chunks so I didn't notice it
Monty Oum wanted nothing to do with the writing aspect, and yet he was the best writer on the team. YIKES EDIT 12/15/2020: holy crap I never meant to start anything. I love this show, don't hate it what-so-ever, but I can still recognize faults within the plot and writing. I hope everyone has a good day and in the end, remember this is just a show PLEASE.
He was in charge of a lot of the most complained thing like faunus subplot, introducing maidens, focusing so much on Jaune, so no he was not the best writer
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind the worst part is some characters and character traits wouldn't even exist without this plot (which imo is very poorly handled).
icecontrol1 Monty created the Faunus, miles and Kerry shitted on the plot point, Monty made the maidens, miles and Kerry introduced relics which low key invalidated the Maidens and Jaune is literally a insert character of a man who writes the show
satan word and he changed what would have been Jaunes biggest mistake in the series because jaune was supposed to cause Pyrrhas death, plus that would have made v5 better 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Ah yes, the issues caused by Miles and Kerry identifying as 'lonely nerds' and making it their entire personality. God damn those two remained such an issue with the RT animations. They really weren't/aren't great people and talentless writers. That reminder was so depressing it even surpassed the reminder that Ryan Haywood voiced the professor.
In the RWBY game, if you play as Nora, she basically only ever says "boop". For the entire game. Every time you use a heavy attack. She says "boop". Every. Single. Time. *Boop.*
God the game is so bad. I mean it's serviceable, as a video game. It is a game you can play I give it that. But my god they really only used the same like 4 voice lines for each character
Btw, the "activist group that used to be good protesters but is now terrorists because of change in leadership" plot point was also (most probably) jacked from _Bebop._
That one is a tried and tested media trope. Falcon & The Winter Soldier did it with The Flag Smashers. The Flag Smashers were correct, but they didn't want the audience on that side so decided to make em kill random innocents.
@@V3xxe Its funny how that show came out the same year as The Suicide Squad sequel that pulled no punches at all with its critique of the US government that its protagonists fight the literal stars and stripes in the climax
@@kieranhurst8543 Meh, not completely, as a hefty amount of violence in BLM protests are usually started by another group. Like counter protestors & trigger happy cops.
Frankly its kind of disgusting that the thing ends with a shot of two hot women in latex suits with their clearly defied massive asses being the center of the frame and also touching? What?
@@Draeckon The character age is arguably another anime trope that they mindlessly lifted into their own show. I personally don’t understand why anime so often center on children and young teenagers doing adult things - for instance, the first three seasons of AOT, and much of season four, are about child soldiers - for no particular reason.
@@aidanwarren4980 It’s so writers can have their cake and eat it too. They can appeal to a younger viewer base while having mature stories. At least with AOT, the tragedy is that they are super young children who are child soldiers because their world is so unforgiving. Sure, the show could've done more with the idea but in RWBY, their youth serves little to no purpose. They could've been college-aged and nearly nothing would change.
Damn, you must've thought Weiss was *really* racist. That trash can line would be like dropping the hard r on your co-worker when the rest of the team is standing right there.
Ikr. I had 0 idea it was a bow, they probably should’ve kept it dark grey at all times at least instead of blending it into her hair during fight scenes. I know the reason is to make animation for those easier but...
SAME! I didn't realize that was a big reveal and I thought Weiss was really supposed to just be a real piece of shit person that was supposed to learn why her view on the cute animal girls was fucked up and wrong. What a disappointing series.
DeebZ Scrub It was wild because I remember quitting the series very early (like before Monty died early) and people kept begging me to come back to it so we could have another thing in common/talk about it. But even if I did watch more of it (which I ended up doing but quit again when Pyrrha died) the only things I would’ve had to say were criticisms, and it was obvious I was just raining on everyone’s parade.
What's worse is that it gets worse: Oscar, a supposed main character now that gets beaten up by Qrow and other in Volume 6 and no one does a thing about it, and Ilia who's starts as part of the evil White Fang.
Don't forget that the guy who made Penny, a pale ginger, is darker skinned. Apparently when making a daughter, able to make her look however he wants, he wanted her to have the complexion of paper. There's also the Hispanic lady whose design was clearly inspired by Dia de los Muertos, an extremely bright and colorful holiday, but has the most dull color palette ever. AND Sun's skin kept getting lighter
"To explore seasons 4 and beyond, we'd need a whole other video"
Oh nooooo, how terrible it would be to have another massive length Hbomb analysis to watch
I'm gonna level with you as someone who was a big fan of the series: everything in this video is 100% true and the first three volumes are the best the show ever gets. In fact, they retroactively get better once you compare them to the later volumes
@@IosLocarth I really need that Hbomb video now, I didn't care about RWBY at all but now I need to know how the show declined as more volumes were released.
@@zayalabi9080 It's....something
@@zayalabi9080 I mean at the very least the volumes aren't that long so it's easy to binge. But yeah I'd also like to see him tear the next several volumes to shreds
noooo please no, it took him like 5 months to make this one. Its magnificent but I miss his semi-monthly videos.
"It's a really good show to write a wiki about." As an ex-admin on the RWBY wiki.... that hit me square in the face XD
Did you add "weapon: Trumpet" ?
@@TheTexasDice Unfortunately no, I had moved away from editing by that volume, I did however start the Inconsistency pages. And help with a lot of the initial formatting and layout decisions.
@@LaurenDarkmore Wow. That's really neat.
@@LaurenDarkmore nice to meet you
@Nate It's definitely a unique position at least, so the surprise seems warranted.
“To talk about the problems with volume 4 onwards, we’d need a whole other video”
Well, don’t let that stop you
Between that and the presumably still planned video about how good Marty's work is that would be a lot of time spent on RWBY.
And yet I wo
@@madhackrviper I, too, wo.
@@madhackrviper probably won't get it with roosterteeths content Id restrictions. This video almost didn't air in its entirety because of it. Not to mention the additional time and money hbomber needed to get around any copyright claims
YES! RWBY Is Disappointing Part 2 when?
So we might see that video sometime in 2035, probably around the time fallout 5 launches
It frustrates me that “Sephiroth Dumbledore” is nearly a perfect description of his introduction, and then “Gandalf Goku” is equally so for where he ends up.
Gandalf goku 😭
Now we have a new one
Diet Gojo Satoru
Imagine you’re just watching avatar and zuko shows up in frame wearing a “That’s rough buddy” T-shirt
never seen avatar and never plan to I’m confused
@@nyorri3490 do yourself a favor and watch it. Surprisingly well done for a kids show
Meyene Etuks
Exactly. It was meant for kids but people of all ages watch it, it’s on Netflix.
@@nyorri3490 Without going into spoilers, It's basically a meme in the community that stemmed from a conversation about loss, and since Zuko is characterized as being terrible with emotions all he can think to say is "that's rough buddy" when confronted with the character's problems.
@@nyorri3490 if you never plan to watch it shouldn't you just ignore this comment? why would you feel the need to tell us that?
"I promise to never make anything this long again"
Harris Bomberguy lied as easily as he breathed
Hbomberguy really lied? No dignity.
Wil E. Coyote style rabbit holes are fun though, ngl.
and i’m happy he did 😌
He didn't lie. The Deus Ex video isn't as long as this one.
It's an hour longer.
@@AugustSequoia now if that ain’t a loophole if I ain’t seen one.
Me, who has never seen a single episode of RWBY: Hell yeah I’ll watch 2 and a half hours of this.
In the exact same boat, I'll consume whatever content Hbomberguy puts out regardless of what it is haha
Honestly I much prefer it to listening to him roast something I know and love!
...same tho. ☺
Same. I just want to know what people see in this show.
I'll even watch it a second time, don't try to stop me
Between Warner dissolving Rooster Teeth, and Netflix remaking Avatar but surgically excising Sokka’s sexism to make the show less “controversial,” this analysis has become more and more interesting.
Yeah, and funny enough this is like my third time watching this because as someone who really wants to be an indie creator of a series someday, I really want all of the tips in this video to be embed in my mind that I keep coming back to take notes. I really hope that when I do get to make some it's at least better than *cough cough* Netflix Avatar
@LuneIita that's really cool best of luck dude
@@nasimamheddr6844 Thanks man ^^
I really can’t believe people care so much about a character trait that was literally gone by EPISODE 4 of the original series (which had 61 episodes, btw)
@@SummDude168 The trait was gone by then, which it would have overstayed it's tolerance if it stuck around any longer, but it was relevant the entire first book. Sokka really doesn't have much else going on as far as character development goes in the first season. The fact that he's relationship with Suki was fundamentally built on the fact made removing it more sexist in the netflix series because it turns her entire character into cute love interest that can fight who then disappears until after the moon stuff happens. Without it, you don't see Sokka get absolutely humbled. Even on top of that, not once in the show is this shown to be a good trait that he has, very much the opposite happens really. And it parallels very nicely when you get to the northern water tribe.
Like if the show didn't want sexism to be displayed on camera, then they should have replaced it with literally anything else. The show had no problem leaving in either of the siblings xenophobia anyway (ofc it's fictional nations so that makes it totally fine /s)
Rwby managed to do the impossible, peaking before it even started
That’s bullshit. I peaked before I was born, how else would I explain the never ending spiral of fuck ups that constitute my life?
@@malikoniousjoe No you peaked when you wrote that comment because that is when I became aware of your existence
@@iamthekingof1omillionsunsets Oh… So you’re telling me the the never ending spiral of fuck ups was my climb up. *Now* it’s all downhill from here. Fuck.
@@malikoniousjoe
Exactly! :D
What in the hell did I just read 😅???
Also, I've just realised why Jaun is so frustrating in the early series: He's written as the protagonist of one of those Isekai Harem anime. He's clueless about the world he's in, has virtually no skills, he has only a single random trait that makes him exceptional (big aura boy) that he acquired with no effort or personal sacrifice, and a female love interest that, despite being dramatically more competant than him, is inexplicably in love with him and prioritises his growth as over her own, so that he can take centre stage in the story, a place that by all logic would belong to her.
Yep!
Granted, I agree with everything you say, but what’s the problem with him having a lot of aura? I don’t think you can train to have more aura, that’s just something you’re born with in RWBY.
@@MultiBoxingKid nothing wrong with it in particular, but that the only quality that makes him able to stand with the other characters is some random quirk of circumstance. Other characters had to train for most of their childhoods, specialising in their unique skill sets.
Isekai protags are usually compentent though(battle/strenght wise). Like they get love intrest because they're sooo OP and save them or whatever. Your listings sounds more like a romance anime where the protag is an average joe who somehow gets the hottest girl in school imo.
The only problem with him knowing nothing is that there’s no justification. If he had been a really sheltered kid who only found out recently that he’s descended from warriors, it would make sense. Kids growing up not knowing shit happens in real life all the time. Homeschooled kids, kids who live in really closed off communities or cults, kids whose parents keep them away from society because they’re paranoid or angry. There’s an entire spectrum of isolation and harm that that does, and they may have been able to explore that but unfortunately they chalked up his ignorance of the world to just… being stupid? I guess? They once again had a good idea and fumbled it almost impressively
in the immortal words of SarahZ:
"worst type of villain is ‘person who holds a fairly reasonable ideology that makes sense in context, but then a bunch of bafflingly evil stuff is added onto it in an obvious attempt to demonize that ideology’"
Bane, then?
@@SunlitSonata14272 Except for Kuvira; that time they did the reverse: they wrote a _fascist_ villain and added an uncomfortable amount of sympathy points to make her seem no different from the previous villains, even though her ideology actually *is* toxic.
@@matthewmuir8884 christ that show was a complete MESS, all caps required.
@@strayiggytv Yes, Legend of Korra is indeed a mess. Avatar: the Last Airbender was a team effort (Mike and Bryan as creators, and Aaron Ehasz as lead writer), and Korra is what happens when a member of the team is missing (no Ehasz) and the other team members try to go on without them.
Haven't finished the video, so don't know the context of this just yet, but arguably it depends on how you go about it. Radicals are a real thing, and every ideology has the potential to become 'evil' with a bad interpretation of how the problems the ideology seeks to counter could be remedied. Just because a show has a bad guy with a reasonable ideology, doesn't mean the writers are necessarily saying that ideology on its own is inherently bad. Of course there *are* also cases where the author is clearly just pushing some sort of agenda, but I find the generalisation of the 'worst type of villain' to be kinda wack.
Like, to give a generalised and popular example - Thanos (in the movies) is trying to fix overpopulation, because his homeworld got fucked by overpopulation. Now there are obviously ways he could have gone about fixing this problem for other planets, but he chose the radical decision of just culling off half of everybody. The writer doesn't do this as some kind of an affront towards people who have fears of overpopulation, rather to create a villain with more sympathetic and thus believable motives than just, grr i am bad guy, bad guy do evil thing. Now all that being said, Thanos isn't the ideal perfect example of amazing writing imo, but it's certainly critically 'better' writing than the alternative offered in the comic source material, where Thanos is just simping for the godess of death or something
*EDIT:* Aight, I've just got past the White Fang part. My point still stands, uh, kinda. At least it still stands against the SarahZ quote. The White Fang seem to have been written as a Faunus-rights turned Faunus supremacist group - which I think is a valid writing point. I think the reason it's bad isn't because a sensible ideology is being 'demonised', rather because they're using racism as more of an empty plot point. Radicalisation of an ideology that is otherwise sensible can be written well, it's just that RWBY doesn't write it well. A just cause without a just means is a villain concept that can work. As hbomberman mentions, there's just a lack of nuance to the situation and the ideas it brings up aren't really explored meaningfully (I think in one of the later seasons they expand on this a bit more, in the arc where Blake returns to her hometown, but it might be a bit late at that point).
Basically, I don't think the 'bafflingly evil stuff' is an inherent problem, and I was gonna say something else but I've forgotten it now so uh-
Even the song writer wrote a better character for Ruby. Red Like Roses tells a story of a girl who is tormented by the death of her mother so much that she’s arguing with her mother beyond the grave about why she left her to fight instead of living to raise her. You don’t get this grief and sadness from seeing Ruby? At least not in the couple of seasons I’ve watched all the way. It would’ve least been interesting if Ruby was a character that hides her pain behind a smile?
Hard agree. For example, the songs of Ice Queendom tell closer things to the character ideas, motivations and ways of thinking than the actual story.
I think this is why i love the characters so much, not because of the actual writing, but because i really like the music, and it gives so much insight to the characters when compared to said story writing.
RWBY should've been a musical instead!
Why I still call RWBY the CLWEMV (casey lee williams extended music video) bc I keep up with the show to know the basic lore for the songs
@@rexy_mirror1225 you theater kids really want to ruin everything...
"The show frequently threatens to suddenly become good" is definitely the best summary of RWBY I have ever heard
That is sadly true there were so many times the show could've been more interesting only to go nowhere or to scrap the idea later.
The ending of season 3 and the ending of season 7 are peak rwby. but almost every time it becomes genuinely good, it's good by accident, or good because of something the writers didn't expect. Then they ruin it.
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@@l.gsmith8411 that's the thing, just like what he said the ending of this vid, the viewers standards are based around those "accidents" and it's hard to impossible to replicate accidents.
@@wvn9957 sometimes I feel as if the writers were to take a step back and look at well written actual reviews of the season (not angry bullshit) they could easily analyze why watchers liked the season and what made it good. The ending of season 7 is was an amazing season because they actually wrote a REALLY well villian who was actually sympathetic and liked. Then they RUINED it because they didn't expect watchers to actually sympathize with him and understand his point of view, and just made him do evil things in the first damn episode. We need a whole rewriting of the show. Maybe rwby brotherhood, because it has so much damn potential but the writers just keep taking L after L when it comes to writing the story.
"A character fans love because her deal is she doesn't talk and therefore cannot be ruined by the writers."
This sentence is too perfect.
Cinder's characterization improves in season 4 because she doesn't talk. This isn't an exaggeration.
@@aleciad7218 nah she was still terrible. With neo she was never able to talk, cinder has been talking since she was introduced. Also cinders entire character during season 4 was "waa, ruby took my eye i want her dead waa!" And a full season later she has her chance and doesn't take it, like wtf?!
@@phantomnite this reads to much like the plot of TLOU2
@@Majinhero what?
now you have 666 likes.
"it turns out the way to get weebs to understand racism is to make the target a catgirl" i lost it
Hes not wrong
I simply can't dispute the facts shameful as they might be.
“so black people in the U.S are basically Fauna- no not the white claw ones- well you see they were actuallyfighting for-no the deep voices are to show you theyre villains-“
But in this case "weebs" are "guys given anime homework"... which is... worse
The White Fang and Adam Taurus did nothing wrong. They were just poorly written.
the description of rwby as “a show that would be really fun to read the wiki of” is so real. it’s also a great world to use for a dnd campaign too!
I'm convinced by the view count of the actual episodes and the fierce defenders that most fans do just consume fan and wiki content rather than the episodes
It's also a good show to watch an hbomb video about
The attempt has been made, and it's really not deep enough for that. It's a great setting for a alright fighting game series.
I've actually just read the wiki so I could get into RWBY fanfiction 😂
The fact that they just did that, like straight up made a dnd campaign and made videos
weiss being a racist heiress to a slave-owning corp and blake being faunus could've been potentially so interesting but any conflict arises and is solved within a few scenes and the two barely talked the rest of the time i actually kept watching. how boring
Yeah Weiss just sort of gets over her racism and the two go back to never speaking to each other.
It's the Crash problem: boiling systemic problems down to personal beefs allows (relatively) quick and easy resolutions. Then no one wants to revisit said beef, much less the topic itself, because that would look like "undoing their character development"
Really, though, treating a systemic problem like a systemic problem allows you to have characters make up, but then grapple with the fact that these issues are bigger than them and the implications thereof
@@vidmuncher it’s not even undoing character development I don’t think, they later say it’s all her family’s fault while acting like she was never a racist.
It's like what would happen if you let Tumblr Teens actually write a series, it's like "we want to explore serious issues buuuuuuut can we not have any actual conflict??"
Voltrons ending sucked but at least when it reveled that Keith, without knowing, was part of the race that killed alluras entire family, friends, and race their relationship as friends was clearly affected and they did have to have a confrontation about it even if in this situation both sides are understandable/sympathetic.
Allura's not wrong for not trusting/liking someone from a race that ruined her entire life and attempted to murder her
Keith's not wrong because he didn't know, nor did he choose to be that way
"Imagine if the first time anyone said 'bending' in avatar was 14 episodes in" is such a funny mental image
The fourteenth episode of atla is "The Fortuneteller." The previous episode is "The Blue Spirit." The next episode is "Bato of the Water Tribe." This is AFTER the winter solistice!! In the fourteenth episode they bend a volcano so it doesn't kill everybody by working together! Can you imagine if that was the first time they mentioned the word 'bending'? Can you imagine if they never talked about the world or explained it until that moment?! Oh there's uhhh Ice Land where people have water powers. Now we're in Rock Land where people have rock powers. Aang has both air powers and he's started learning water powers don't worry about why he can do that or who Sozin is. There isn't anywhere they're trying to get to they're just touring the world. There might be a war? Maybe? There's some destroyed buildings in the background. They never say bending until 4 episodes before the season finale. No airbending waterbending earthbending firebending as common words with known limits plus magic spirits. God. Can you imagine?
Bringing up that Fry was frozen for a thousand years in season 2 of Futurama
@@EddieSlabb Mentioning briefly that Leela's the only one of her kind and she's never met another like her in season three
@@unu9651 Also I, Zoidberg am not from this planet why not? And also on this, the eve of Fry's Opera I must let you know that I have been an internal medicine doctor. WoopWoopWoop
@@EddieSlabb God. Yeah that'd be... something.
Monty dressed like an anime character all the time, and I respect that
I like the rooster teeth comics where he was always wearing an animation suit.
his fashion sense gave me a real Tetsuya Nomura vibe, which just feels so appropriate
Most impresive is that he managed to pull it off without looking cringe.
Its so cringe tho
He truly... Was a chad.
Today is 2024 03 06, about 12 hours since Rooster Teeth announced the company was shutting down, and 3 and a half years since this video was posted. The Red trailer currently sits at a touch over 17M. The subscriber count of the Rooster Teeth channel is at 9.02M. The top four videos on the channel remain in the same order, with Angry Birds at 26M, the RvB S8 Tex fight at 18M, and Let's Play Minecraft episode 1 at 17M.
13:00 I was *checking numbers* D:
Woah
they deleted their minecraft episode what a shame
RWBY sounds like someone let me and my friends make a show when we were 15. We would sit around coming up with cool ideas, but have NO clue how to implement them.
Exactly!!!!!
Lol! That sums it up!
RWBY in a nutchell
no... It's just their creator died the 2 seasons Monty Oum worked on were awesome but after his demise it lost direction and completely lost its action elements for A LONG TIME
"Jaune is Sokka but without the overcoming misogyny plot line because Miles Luna didn't want to make his self-insert character a misogynist" is so galaxy brain
@@eren34558 Tecnhically, he never does learn to take "no" for an answer. He repeatedly asks Weiss out despite her rejections and backs out only after watching her asking Neptune to be her date. So, yeah, there's no scene where Weiss tells him "no" and he agrees to stop pestering her. It looks mostly as if he's recnognizing the presence of another man, rather than aknowledging Weiss' feelings. The entire dance arc seems hell-bent on making Jaune looks like the offended part, with a few characters encouraging him in his pursuit of Weiss and complimenting him for what a great guy he is, despite evidence of the contrary, especially in this context.
@@eren34558 Yes, I noticed, and I really appreciate him for that, but that doesn't asnwer the point I made: there's no scene where he is confronted by Weiss and learns to take no for an answer. After giving up on inviting Weiss to the dance (again, only because he sees that she's interested in Neptune), he goes to the party, talks to Pyrrha and gets complimented for how great he is for not putting her on a pedestal (despite the fact that he did and that nobody else among the main characters treat Pyrrha in a special way).
Then he confronts Neptune, gives him some sound advice about just being himself and gets congratulated again for being so great.
At no point Weiss is included in the discussion. For all we know, he gives up on Weiss because he feels sorry for making assumptions and hurting Pyrrha, because he starts having feelings for his teammate or because he doesn't want to step on someone else's turf.
Also, what about "chasing women in general"? Aside from a few glimpses in the first episodes with Ruby (the nice, quirky girl to talk to) and Yang (the shot with the onesie), he only showed interest in Weiss. He was never a skirt-chaser to begin with.
@@eren34558 I mean, I don't really hate "RWBY", it's just that particular arc that irks me. But I also haven't read all the comments, so I don't know how much hatred is going around.
@@eren34558 You're the one whose face and name are out in the open, what drugs are you on? lmao
I honestly felt Weiss was the worse party between the two, but both were in the wrong somewhat. Weiss was more or less a misandrist bitch to Jaune even when he tried to help her early on.
She acted coldly to him in her early judgemental attitude whichfueled Jaune's poor self-esteem issues and made him crave the approval of someone he wanted acknowledgement from.
You notice how Jaune never interacted nor pointed out Weiss worse character traits and only focused on her good traits? He deluded himself and only focused on Weiss' talents and virtues to the lack of anything else.
He admired her, and she put him down due to her own poor attitude.
The more Weiss put Jaune down, thinking he only wanted her for her family name due to her father, she fed into his self-pity and desperation to try harder and he went in the wrong direction.
It was only after Weiss met Neptune (who is ALOT like Jaune) that she learned that she was projecting her father onto someone who honestly didn't deserve it, as Yang pointed out at the start.
Meanwhile Jaune grew out of his self-hatred with Pyrrha's help, finding acceptance from someone else. He became willing to act like himself and stopped trying to be someone else.
Weiss and Jaune fed into each other's worse traits in a representation of a toxic relationship, and grew once they reconciled.
The whole Weiss-Jaune sub-plot was a continuation of their character development and tying up loose ends (though it still felt open ended).
Weiss became less of an unintentional abusive misandrist, and Jaune (briefly) learned to value himself.
...Before the ending of Volume 3 undid much of that development.
I would've honestly liked a final scene between the two at the dance. Weiss apologizing to Jaune and promising to become kinder to him as a friend and Jaune rejecting a dance to spend time with Pyrrha.
"I promise to never make something this long again."
So you're saying that your next video essay will be even LONGER? Awesome!
After Pathologic, I'd listen to Hbomb media crit anything for 3 hours
God you just made me look at the progress bar and I’m only 20 minutes in
Next video is in a year but it’s 4 hours
still waiting for that fallout 3 is better then you think response.
@@Struneyes 9 hours!
The section about not wanting their Sokka character to be sexist is so funny in retrospect after Avatar live action on Netflix.
And BOTH ended up making the character and the narrative based on Sokka MORE sexist xD Jaune is a loser incel NICE GUY TM, so it is a ok for him to not take No as an answer. Sokka isn't sexist anymore in order to unlearn his sexism, so now Suki is just into him from the get go and even stalks him a bit. Not sexist at all 🙃
Don’t forget how they rewrite Yue into an incel fantasy who dreamt that she would meet Sokka one day
Amazing that Monty didn't want to bother writing the story to RWBY, but continuously does a better job of character writing DURING his fights than the writers can.
they really should've just given him a storyboard or something. 👊😔
Miles and Kerry didn’t know enough about writing to understand story mechanisms. I doubt they play the same games as Monty. Having a unique power per character is stupid in terms of reusable assets.
But Monty would also disappear and create a new character without telling anyone.
Also, three writers without a main show runner? Come on.
You also needed to sync with Monty’s workflow which was all local files. So showing not telling might have been arduous.
But the writers came from red v blue-they didn’t understand storyboarding. They were strong in jokes and dialogue and bro humor.
Also episodic television resets characters, the writers didn’t know that. Rick from Rick and morty reset himself after every episode; his acholicism is to support this story mechanic.
This is why shounen manga have tournament arcs. The central story question for every character converges-rather than braid.
Cowboy bebop isn’t the best story to learn from. Tragedies are really tricky.
He didn't write the details but he did make a basic outline for the story and where he wanted to go with it from what I understand.
It really feels like they meant for RWBY to be a fighting game and just didn't realize they could do that.
@@PhoenixFireZeroI mean, they kiiiinnddaa had a fighting game? That had rwby as one fourth of a crossover and was how I learned rwby existed (I don’t remember how good it was but it’s called blazblue crosstag battle if you’re interested)
"The way to keep weebs to understand racism is to make the target a catgirl" is the best take I've heard in a while
I'm fucking dying over here because I just realized Rise of Shield Hero did the exact same thing
Sukie Shepherd So did a series called Arifuerta and a bunch of other lame fantasies. They just take animal people, paint this really dark picture of society with them, and then go back to trying to be le epic series. That’s not to say Shield Hero sucks, I like it but it does have flaws like that. Arifuerta on the other hand...
it'd be better if it actually made weebs understand racism
Aren't all weebs not that racist (or at least, to a lesser extent that they could've been) because they enjoy things made by the Japanese, an ASIAN race? Or maybe I'm missing something here.
@@nob2243 you can. be racist and profile people selectively based on their heritage while also partaking in a culture that isn't yours's media
like being racist isn't a binary off-on switch, dude
Therapist: “CGI hbomberguy isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.”
CGI hbomberguy:
Those aaarms. 😬😰
2:15 it's just PERFECT
For the message it sends
@@DaeZey
Arms? I can't take my eyes off that face! I'm afraid it'll eat my soul if I look away!
@@Ramsey276one 19:26
@@fluffy-hellhound I am getting there, OK...
Video essay lengths have inflated so much that I was thinking "I kinda wanna go back and rewatch that really long RWBY video Hbomb did" and then I click on it and it's only two and half hours.
it has peaked when one of my other favorites, Whitelight, did a 7 HOUR Death Stranding essay, or with Pyro's Utopia video
This viewpoint surprises me even if I can understand it. I'm sad this video isn't any *longer*, like his Roblox and Plagarism videos were, though maybe that's just a displacement of still waiting for the follow-up video on this topic he teases twice.
i watched (read: listened to) a ten hour video essay on how flimsy harry potters worldbuilding is
@@zombiedoe3404 I think we listened to the same one😂 the fact it didn't seem that long😭
The one THIRTY SIX HOUR video about the Beverly Hillbillies that had mini video essays as the intermission but they could still be five hours long so they weren't really mini the main video essay way just four times as long.
Imagine if My Hero Academia never said the word Quirk until episode 14 when the main character, who had a whole arc about getting a quirk, suddenly got shocked that someone else had a quirk, at his quirk-based school.
RWBY is a show about people who use powers to fight and they are shocked when someone uses powers to fight.
Wow that is certainly one way to recontextualize things huh.
I'm putting that one in the vault.
My guess was always that Jaune just didn't know what a Semblance was because his family didn't have Semblances either (much like how most people in Remnant don't have Semblances or have their Aura activated by proxy. Sort of like how everyone has chakra coils in Naruto, but not everyone knows how to use them or what Chakra is because they haven't learned about it. With that, and the fact Jaune is clueless about a lot of things and had to fake his test results to even get into Beacon, I found it to be somewhat believable that he doesn't know what a Semblance is. Otherwise, he could've just asked his parents/siblings to activate it, since they would presumably know about it as well otherwise... right?
@@whichcache2517 It also goes further than just Jaune. When Phyrra uses her Semblance to move Jaune's shield, Ruby and Weiss are ALSO confused for some reason. And they HAVE and USE their Semblances regularly. It doesn't make any sense why the writers would have them be baffled by Phyrra using an ability when basically everyone in the world has one including them
(This isn't to disagree with you to be clear, I do think what you said could be some form of explanation, this is just a note that the writers somehow messed it up with their own Main Characters as well)
@@shay-la-vie Oh, I just thought that was because they didn’t know what her powers were, so they were confused when they were trying to figure out what she just did.
Obviously though, they could’ve explained this whole Semblance/Aura thing better, earlier, so that we wouldn’t need to ask all these questions about what certain characters know.
@@whichcache2517 Yeah that definitely makes sense. It just feels kind of clunky when the point of the scene was supposed to be something else and they ignore it for ~Exposition~
Animated Harry looks like the bully kid in animated movies.
He was the Chad all along.
Especially if you've seen what he really looks like now.
do the roar
He has yaoi hands
@@_shir0gan379 oh no
it looks like a fucking skinnier version of bobby hill lmao.
honestly, RWBY has always felt like reading deviantart roleplay about other people's OCs that I don't know anything about
Extremely specific yet.... extremely accurate
it really does feel like a 16 person rp where everyone is trying to take it in a different direction lol
Pretty much
I have seen roleplaying settings with better storyline than RWBY
And it’s the really crappy ones to where the main characters have to be right all the time, get bullshit power ups out of nowhere and anyone who bad mouths/disagrees with them might as well be another Hitler.
the thing that really drives the nail in the coffin for Yang's semblance is that it's really easy to see a correlation between getting hurt and being angry. If they had just decided on it being anger from the start it would've opened up loads of pathways for arcs discussing questions like which kinds of anger it includes (what if she's upset with herself?), if it applies to other strong emotions and whether using pure anger to fight is effective. I personally have imagined an entire arc where she screws up bad on a mission but becomes much stronger in fights, only for it to be revealed she's actually using internalized frustation and anger at her own mistakes or helplesness and has to realize how that isnt healthy despite the power boost. A character who's power is linked to strong emotions is just begging for awesome character development!!!
it’s been a while since i watched it but i thought they did that? didn’t they have that whole arc where yang learns when and how to use her anger in a constructive way?
@@richieordeanidc536 no. essentially, they told her she's over-reliant on her semblance because "it's a glorified temper tantrum" (despite this never being an evident flaw in her fighting prior to this) and repeatedly told her to use it less, despite her never being shown to use it any more than anyone else (bar ruby and weiss; w ruby hardly ever utilising her very-useful semblance and weiss actually being the one who over-relies on her semblance - summoning, specifically). this arc didnt really touch on her alleged-anger problems (beside a few comments here-and-there), instead forcing yang to just stop using her semblance all out; something that we never see applied despite the arc being concluded.
this is a common problem within rwby, wherein they'll get stuck on what arcs to give the girls and arbitrarily create flaws for them to *fix* (not work around or adapt to - it's always "fixing" said-flaws), despite the writers' lazy storytelling actually organically creating flaws for the characters (both personality-based *and* action-wise) that will never be acknowledged or addressed. another example of this is the "ruby needs to learn hand-to-hand" conflict which was materialised out of the blue - ruby had actually been shown to be entirely-fine at h2h in every instance prior to this, but the writers randomly decided that she's too reliant on crescent rose and needs to learn h2h in the event that she is unable to access crescent rose (which was only ever a problem *once*, in the very ending of v8 and active in v9; which took place long after she'd already "overcome" this non-existent flaw of hers).
funnily enough, *weiss* (again) is the one who shouldve had this arc as she is *constantly* finding herself unable to access myrtenaster and rendered-useless in battle (since she's the one who's *actually* shown to be incapable of h2h). regardless though, the writers' insistence that every flaw must be *fixed* is what irritates me the most. ruby was never shown to be left wo crescent rose in battle (at the time) and even if she was her semblance is literally *perfect* for tactical retreats in the event that she's defenceless in battle - instead of wasting ruby's and the audience's time learning h2h, they shouldve dedicated that arc to her mastering her semblance and acclimating herself to using it in battle; that would address an *organic* flaw w ruby's character, freshen up her combat and make it more interesting and versatile to watch, address an interesting character flaw of hers wherein she clearly has some sort of hang-up ab retreating (qrow v tyrian, for example) *and* would allow her to finally explore the possibility of picking up and transporting multiple people w her semblance like we're teased. but no, never, not in *my* 3d abomination. the people only want to see jaune - the real main character!
anyways the point is that, whilst yang's "anger issues" were never an organic flaw that was present in any of her fight scenes prior to its conception (because her fighting style was literally based off of a strategic, defensive style utilised by monks), they couldve made it an interesting arc regardless if they had written it as u suggested; yang learning to use her heightened-emotions constructively. however, they certainly did not do that, due to the writers' inability to allow their characters to maintain recognised-flaws; instead instead going w the boring and nonsensical plot line of yang being forced to just hardly ever use her semblance because "flaw = bad and bad = must be purged"
Heck, even as it is, a single tweak would fix the inconsistency: she could store the power from taking damage, and getting angry is what allows her to release it.
You could make an arc about her learning to activate her semblance deliberately instead of it only triggering when she's angry.
@@BFedie518 You could even have her learn that it's not anger that draws out the stored power, but passion, as anger and love are two sides of the same coin. You could end her arc with a positive message about how expressing one's emotions is healthy as long as you are conscious of not letting those emotions define you or decide your actions for you. Righteous anger is also a thing and if she had an actual arc you could explore the nuance of such a thing
See: Nynaeve from the Wheel of Time
Jaune not knowing what Aura is, is like meeting a 17-year-old who doesn't realise he has lungs.
To be fair the audience is also still not entirely sure how Aura works after 10 years of the show
@@cartoonishidealism582 well, it isn't the audience's fault the writers ALSO don't know how it works xD
@@aracelissilva9613
Made worse by the fact that they decided to throw in a second power system that's even more poorly defined than the first one in the form of magic, what makes magic so special compared to Aura and semblances? Who knows? The show sure doesn't.
@@jonathanjuarez5544 and now, in volume 9, semblences can f-ing evolve!!!! What??? Shit already doesn't make sense WHY do they keep introducing new shit??????? Just try figuring out the simple things first!!
@@amf8648 semblances can evolve? Like pokemon or something? Wth?!?
“Is this going to be on my gravestone”
His tombstone: Harris BomberGuy is dead, and heres why
With how long these videos are, it should be a mausoleum with that inscribed on the door. And when you go in, you get a bunch of images and writing explaining his life and all the circumstances that led to his death.
Nah, they haven't decided what goes on there yet. Probably gonna be blank.
@@animeotaku307 Sure, but it'll be completed a few years after he's dead and people have forgotten there was gonna be more to his tomb.
@@nenmaster5218 oh no...
@@animeotaku307 I'm just imagining a simple tombstone but it goes up like 100 ft.
>A video about why RWBY is disappointing
>It's only two and a half hours long.
"Wow, he must've talked fast."
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Well to be fair, he only focused on Volumes 1-4.
@@pentbot So the full thing would be 6 hours long?
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy
more :)
@@pentbot he focused on volumes 1-3 actually. He touched on 4 a little but he also said a little about 6.
But tbh, 6 was probably the better of the post beacon arc stories. They had a lot of good shit, like the apathy for example, a concept that only really worked in a horror like setting. It made that episode a lot more engaging and enjoyable. Its the one example of rwby doing something right. I just wish they dedicated more episodes to this horroresqe style. Maybe even making the whole show more horror themed.
In my writing class, we had an extended conversation about what we mean when we criticize a work for feeling "fan fictiony." That conversation eventually spun off into a whole assignment. And I swear, an entire half of the people in that class chose RWBY as the subject of their essay.
With the fast talking professor, his "quirk" could actually be used in a quite powerful way. By the time the animal people lesson took place, it would be already established that he doesn't take things too seriously. But when the discrimination subject comes up, he talks slowly and clearly. Making sure the students get every detail.
This would instantly make it a much more serious and investing scene. But no, instead they just made it seem like a joke
Honestly, I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of fanfics doing exactly this, because it's such an easy way to use a character quirk to lend gravitas. I can't remember how many times I've read a Professor Oobleck that still talks faster and with more technical terms the more excited he is at something because he just can't contain his passion well enough for other people to keep up, but is also driven by that same passion to take extra care when the mood turns serious, so that his point is perfectly clear.
As joyful as Fandom Oobleck is at the prospect of discovery and exploration, he is also sober and respectful in regards to the hard lessons sometimes learned, because Oobleck gives not one, but several fucks, about teaching, or knowledge, or history, or whatever central passion a given author has used to flesh out his character.
Also I've basically never read anyone reusing his exact canonical lines about racism, because those lines are shit.
I think they had the opposite idea, that drawing attention to, singling it out you might say, was worse. For example it would be like somone making a pun about the color black in the prescience of a black guy and then profusely apologizing, that's far more insensitive and ignorant than just carrying on as normal.
There was a game called Anachronox and one of the team members you get had a Babble style attack. Literally just verbally assaulting people with academic nonsense.
Mildly ironically the game's cutscenes, skipping the game parts, was one of the most viewed things on Machinima.
I love that game. It's fight gameplay is unbalanced garbage, if you play it just put it on the easiest setting because it only impacts the fight mechanic and the difference between easy and hard is fight is easy and takes 1 minute and fight is easy and takes 10 minutes. But the story, the RPG stuff, and the non-fight gameplay is golden.
Exactly but no he’s just the wacky professor who talks fast.
@@Unit-3D i know this comment is like 2 years old, but do you still know any of the good fanfics you mentioned that has prof oobleck going off the rockers? I remember reading some awhile ago but forgot their names
We all know deep down the real reason the Faunus exist was so they could have cat girls in the show
i fully believe that
Isn't that pretty much on the surface though?
No kidding. I saw right through that when that happened. It was so obvious there that I was sort of surprised they didn't make the bunny girl a _bunny girl_ .
@@KibblezanBitz Monty had semi-decent rule for RWBY in that he was extra iffy with the idea of sexualizing underage children. His ground rules were basically - least questionable outfits possible, no panty shots, etc.
Coincidentally seasons after Monty's passing suddenly have those 15 year olds in corsets, butt-capes, with boob windows, etc. Oh and giant blue naked lady at one point. Oh and yeah in spite of going to cold climate region with snow and storms and the like - nobody got more clothes because LORE REASONS.
"So, uhhh, we're gonna do racism but, umm, it's catgirls that are gonna be oppressed"
Damn, I can't believe they shot an entire anime in VR Chat
Basically
I’ve seen vrchat abridged shows better than RWBY volume 1-3
That animation.... I tried giving the show a try, but it fucking sucks, except the fight scenes. And when it finally got good, it went to shit. Sucks man.
@@yabazyabacoffee hey, those were the good seasons :(
@@Enchie yeah, the animation is what killed my interest in it
for anyone here 3 years later: casey lee williams actually does her own music now!!! also she was only 12/13 in the trailers which is NUTS. theyre a wildly talented vocalist.
Omg thanks for the info, I'm gonna check out her work❤
This video should be titled "why media analysis is necessary to make you a better writer"
Kind of like how Lindsay Ellis is releasing a sci-fi book soon
@@troyjardine5850 Is she? I'm interested in seeing how that goes and I wish the best for her and her book.
@@ireallydidntwanttomakeanac575 It's called Axiom's End, and it's already out!
Well kinda you should take bits and pieces from stuff that you love and see what you can do differently.
@@icecreamhero2375 the issue here is they take bits and pieces of stuff they like without understanding why they worked. And they do this instead of actually taking bits and pieces of the real world. That makes it basically just a shallow reflection of other media that isnt capable of saying much about the world we live in.
"RWBY is fanfiction for a show that doesn't exist!" I mean, if you told me RWBY was a crossover fanfic between Miles and Kerry's favorite animes with a lot of OCs that Monty Oum decided to make into an animated show I would believe you.
You mean it isn't?
@@Normaschthewanderer Apparently?
We all gonna ignore that you wrote Miles and Lunas instead of Miles and Kerry?
You have a point but i thought Id point it out
@@marshallhanlon6454 Oof, my mistake
@yeh uda I never claimed it wasn't. Even in the hypothetical scenario I said, it would still be a show.
RWBY is like if the story you wrote in creative writing when you were 9 was animated by a full production team
Hey, give them some credit! You would have to be at least a teenager to make a selfinsert get into love triangles with the "best girls"!
@@lozofspielereien Wait, were you NOT doing that until 13+??? I thought it was a universal experience that all little kids had to pick which Sonic characters they were going to have fight over them in their imaginary innerworld story, like a starter pokemon??? (except for people who couldnt imagine one cus aphantasia idk)
@@jellifygirl W-Well... NO! Not on the Internet at least, so you can't prove anything! I was saved by being too sheltered, not even knowing wtf is a "Sonic"!
@@lozofspielereienThat’s every teenage girls wattpad story though.
Ist there a thing thats basically that called "axe cop"?
Well, now that Rooster Teeth is folding in its entirety, I'd appreciate a full company autopsy report. Please and thank you.
"The show has garnered a pretty large following and a super devout fanbase, and it's easy to see why: The show frequently threatens to suddenly become good."
What a perfect description of so many shows that get so close and yet fall flat halfway there.
That exactly describes the anime Darling in the Franxx, which had basically the same writing problems as RWBY
Steven Universe *cough*
Now I'm really sad that RWBY isn't about a weapons-inventor girl
Technically it is
@@justanotherchannelonyoutub126 but only technically :(
@@justanotherchannelonyoutub126 we're tired is seeing RWBY be "technically". We want it to be "definitely". A show can't just be technically good,it's either you like it or you don't or some weird amalgamation of an emotion inbetween.
@@azirul9311 whoop there it is!
I feel like a lot of what makes a story successful is the way it sets up expectations, and how it delivers its payoffs.
ideally, you want people interested in a work, but with their expectations relatively low. if you can pull that off, you have the opportunity to really blow your audience away. this is why a lot of my favorite media has beginnings that seem really quaint or simple before they escalate. what's unfortunate about RWBY is that it kind of gets this backwards. the trailers are really good, and they set your expectations sky high for what the show will be like. then you start episode one, and _that's_ when things get quaint, simple, low stakes, and goofy. not what you had primed yourself for.
picture for a moment, a world where RWBY didn't have those trailers at all. the show began with episode one after having been hyped up primarily via word-of-mouth before the release. now, you can imagine some fixes within the show itself if you want to... but ultimately what we're dealing with is a story about four teenage girls who meet each other at magical monster hunter school. the tone is light... it hasn't really tipped its hand as to how good it might get yet. some might even think that all it ever aspires to be is a slice-of-life school drama. but then let's say that one of the fights from the trailer is integrated into the show, (or at least a fight of similar quality to that), as a climactic moment within the story.
up until this point, your expectations had been set at somewhere around the level of "background characters are just shadowy silhouettes" and "dust cloud with fists and stars flying out of it = two characters fighting" but now? the show just bumped up its standing with you a LOT in a very short amount of time. that's when you start hounding your friends to watch this hidden gem you just stumbled upon. you get to feel like you yourself have struck gold.
but then the trick going forward, for the people making this show, would be to not spend all their good ideas in one place. a truly good idea is one that makes the _writers_ excited to see more of their own creation. an audience trusts an author the most when they consistently prove that they, as an author, are interested in what they made for the same reasons as their fans. you might not know what the author intends to do next, like, there can be a lot of crazy shit on the table... but you can believe that the author is more interested in using the avenues they have, rather than ruining any part of the core appeal.
I think RWBY just jumped the gun (haha) with its big action set pieces. it put the cart before the horse.
Ah yes, my favorite Anime, RWBY: The Last Bebop: Legend of Bleach x Hunter on Titan and the Sorcerer's Stone vs. Blue
thank you, that is what i’m calling rwby now
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series.
& Knuckles
Featuring the Chunin Exams from the Naruto series.
Featuring the trains of Baccano
Soul RWBY: The Last Bebop: Legend of Bleach
My brother tried to show me RWBY when i was about 14 and there were some good aspects of it. But i remember getting so uncomfortable, to the point where i felt embarrassed to even be watching it, with the depictions of the characters. It felt so much like all the women were written as weird reddit waifus and not real people- i mean RWBY is literally the epitome of 2015 tumblr goth girl. Their dialogue was weird, the voice acting even worse, and their mannerisms felt like they were created by men who had never met a woman and were basing it off what they wished women were… and none of the interviews with thr writers i saw in this video disproved my opinion
this is exactly what's happening IMO, and i think another issue that compounds onto how unnatural the writing for the students feels is that the authors do this thing where the characters are almost all supposed to be 17, eg one year out from being legal american adults, but most of the time they're written like they're 13, to the point of the cast largely being separated into these weird "child" and "adult" halves even though the show really doesn't contain any actual children and even Ruby, specifically the youngest one, is still a mid-teen and not a child. a bunch of the staff at beacon are like 7 foot something, as if during early writing they meant for these to all be kids just entering high school, then someone changed the numbers so they're actually more or less young adults (particularly in anime terms) but forgot to actually change the writing. but also the showrunners salivate weirdly over the characters because they can't make up their mind on what they're writing about or who they're writing for, and then the fact that the characters spend half the story behaving like 13 year olds starts to become deeply creepy. i don't even think this was intentional! i think the versions of the characters who exist in the writer's heads when they're not at work and the versions of the characters who actually get written when they're in the writer's room are just so fundamentally different that nothing makes any sense.
i also love that they decided the main character, who is 15, has a voice actress who was apparently told to voice an 8-year-old
Man Weiss actually having to confront her own racism especially with the fact that Blake is a former White Fang would have been peak drama, but they went the cowards way out. Oh well knowing the writing talent they'd probably have fucked it up if they went for it anyway.
There’s a guy on TH-cam who redid the series from the ground up: in it Weiss is a full on racist who actively tries to better herself. The guy’s name is “Celtic Phoenix.”
@@thomasraines1396 Thanks for the info!
@@levi_lover25 you’re welcome
Yeah, these guys can't even get BASIC FUCKING WORLD BUILDING right, let alone something as heavy and complex as racism.
I don't even know what RWBY but I am absolutely sure in 2 hours, 27 minutes and 24 seconds time, I will have very strong opinions on it.
literally me with the sherlock video omg, like I've never watched it but now I can have like a pretty good conversation about it, acknowledge it's flaws, what it did well, and the bits I like about it lmao. Like Hbomb just like DELIVERS when it comes to analysing media
This is a actually so me
Every. Damn. Time
So what are your strong opinions?
@@SgtDax wait so, rewrite Adam so that he's instead like an incel that got rejected and was so upset about it he joined the anti Faunus stormfront and pledged to destroy her life (and also her people)?
His bad dialogue suddenly becomes weirdly more believable.
The obviously better thread of rwby does weapons, makes one for John D'ark (I know.), Even granting some extra ship teasing between ruby and jaune. And stuff like throwing herself into it, or being burned out and not feeling it, are threads that could help show the character during some of the later seasons. As well as letting them switch up a couple weapons more easily and gradually, rather than sudden random blacksmith, then atlas upgrades for all.
So, fun fact: I watched RWBY on crunchyroll because they had the Japanese dub. I tough the voice actors were super annoying and the Japanese version had some voice actors who I was a fan of, so that's the version I watched. Anyways, the Japanese dub cut out entire episodes of the show and I didn't notice anything until I started seeing clips on youtube that they had cut. So they could've actually removed like half of the show and not lost anything important.
Exactly. They mostly cut all the sucking-Jaune's-dick 'cause not only does it not have any weight in the overall story, it was boring as hell and stole important screen time from the main characters.
That’s very funny
such a weeb that you watch an american show in japanese with subtitles. smh
@@theargonaught44 They just don't like the English voices, that's not a crime dude
@@theargonaught44 It's an American show in an anime style, plus, people have their preferences
The White Fang has very much "written by men whove never really experienced opression" energy
this seems almost too merciful, because it feels like if they even talked to a handful of people about this, maybe it would've been a little less bad
"we need a Sokka"
Oh so you want to include a character who despite being comic relief and powerless in a world with super powers is incredibly talented, smart, and works incredibly hard in order to contribute to the super powered friends he's always around? Because that's who Sokka is, not just the butt of every joke. He has no bending abilities but is smart enough to beat a bender who's power is never even explained using a boomerang and quick math. He helps develop the first hot air balloon in the world and is partly responsible for the airships that develop afterwards and was smart enough to utilize water bending to design the first ever submarines after seeing earth bending be used in similar ways (trains and the mail system in Omashu). He's the one that was trusted with planning the eclipse raid despite being with more seasoned soldiers.
"we need a Sokka" and then making a clueless comic relief idiot tells everyone that you don't understand what makes Sokka so special despite being in a group with a water bending prodigy, an earth bending prodigy, a prince who's destined to change a nation, and the literal chosen one destined to save the world. Because without Sokka, the group wouldn't have had a route to take. Zuko's assassin would have killed the group. The eclipse raid wouldn't have been as effective and the retreat wouldn't have gone as well. Airships and submarines might not have been developed as fast. The fire nation armada wouldn't have been stopped.
Fucking preach it, brother. People don't get how awesome Sokka is.
Maybe if Jaune had been written as having this heritage and these expectations etc. but also been written to not have a semblance? But he still really wants to go to the RWBY hunter school/ends up getting in somehow (faking his way in like he did in canon I think Hbomb said)? I'm kind of stealing that from "Sky High" and "The Dragon Prince," but it would be... something?
@@sholem_bond Or just straight up rip off Avatar - Jaune is the only guy in big family and feels like he has to be better than his sisters to protect them. He's not the best, but he tries. He goes to Beacon without Aura unlocked because he feels smothered in home. Then you can have nice growth plotline in Beacon, where Jaune makes himself into good Hunter. Maybe tie that to "weapon maker" side of Ruby, let him be not the combat-oriented but strategist, researcher, aura-expert, something like that.
@@signer0001 Not to mention he should be actively participating in class. You can't have a character who wants to live up to familial legacy that literally does not make any effort in class at all. It would make more sense if Jaune was struggling even while trying hard and then lashes out at Pyrrha after that.
@@ApexGale Fucking exactly, "I have to learn all this myself otherwise what am I good for" and then they show him NOT LEARNING SHIT AND SLEEPING IN CLASS.
God, writers contradicting themselves makes me so angry.
And it also could've been nice setup for the conflict for Jaune and Pyrrha - him trying his best but failing , and her being combat and school prodigy that makes it look easy, which reminds him of home where sisters were always better than him, therefore making him hate her offers to train him.
The fact that Ruby causally makes basically legendary weapons went absolutley nowhere made me so mad. That could’ve been SO COOL. And then it WASNT.
@yeh uda ... Which is "The most dangerous weapon ever designed". Yeah, the show doesn't bother to actually treat Crescent Rose as such in fight scenes or anywhere else because it doesn't know how to do powerscaling, but that's just another problem with this series coming from the logical conclusion from Ozpin's statement.
@yeh uda Can you please tell me the parts or moments of the series where these quotes are mentioned for Ruby's nerdiness of weapons? I need to check them out myself if I forgot.
@@mekingtiger9095 They won't. They're a RWBY stan
@@KumOverHere The way this person writes, comments and arguments is very similar to how Eren Denburg Niederhoffer used to harass people in the comments back when this video was still relatively new... except he was *FAR* more persistent in his stupidity and had even dumber responses, so nah, I guess. But I wouldn't be surprised if this guy _at least_ had come out from the same "circle" that Eren did.
@yeh uda can you cite where these quotes are coming from? Give us some more background for this?
Headstone: "Death is garbage, and here lies why."
Speech at funeral: Multiple hours long essay about how death is sad and ends one's life.
Then at the end, the eulagizer pulls back their hood to reveal HARRIS! The mourners gasp in shock, "That's right baby, it's a TWO-PARTER! See you all in a few more years!"
Interesting fact: In the video, Hbomb points out that Monty Oum was watching Dragonball Z whike editing. Takahata talked about his interactions with Monty Oum on stream, and revealed that it's specifically Team Four Star's DBZ Abridged series that Monty is watching there!
Related fact: Multiple members of TFS have voiced in minor roles at different points in the series. Scott Frerichs (KaiserNeko) played multiple individuals including an Atlesian businessman, a faunus wth ram horns, and some nasty kid bullies, and Nick Landis (Lanipator) played a bartender in V5 who sounds exactly like his Piccolo.
RWBY's fandom can be summed up by recognizing that we don't like RWBY itself, but the *idea* of what RWBY could and should be, and suffering through it not being that.
Thats probably how most fandoms go with shitty source material. There wouldn't be a fandom otherwise.
Yep,the people that like the show now are weird...but the people that like RWBY concept are different. Like is bizarre thing that there is this split in the fandom that never will be solved.
I feel attacked right now
This is why rwby chibi and the fan comics better
I've watched the entire series and after watching this, I completely agree. RWBY needs a complete reboot or rewrite to be anything. It wasn't a show, it was just mindless yet mindblowing action. However, if they choose to give RWBY a second and better chance... I think we need different directors and writers. If they're trying to fix it, then time to go the DC/Marvel route kill the universe, recon, start over, and learn from the mistakes.
The whole thing about Ruby being a weapon nerd/hobbyist mad inventor, only for that trait to be dropped is like, a top 10 biggest let downs for the show (which is impressive for a show made almost entirely of let downs).
It's not only a super interesting a unique character trait, that could tie into Ruby's social awkwardness (being a shut-in who spends more time drawing, designing, and creating cool weapons than socializing with people), but also serve as a legitimate means of bonding her to her friends and teammates.
Weiss comes on very strongly as a prim, spoiled, and privileged girl used to getting what she wants, used to bossing people around. When she comes into conflict with Ruby about being the leader, it would be more interesting if Ruby, not being used to such harsh and directed criticism, initially ceded to Weiss's demands, preferring to avoid the conflict rather than play it out, because she's not well socialized. But because of Weiss's leadership being so militant, stiff, harsh, and strict, her teammates fail to live up to her high expectations, and/or execute her plans properly, because they either don't understand, don't respect, or simply don't care about her plans, because she's so unlikable and uncharismatic as a leader.
This gets team RWBY into serious trouble when they find themselves surrounded by bad guys and in serious peril, when, in desperation, Weiss turn to Ruby to see if she has any idea. Ruby, who has been spending a lot of time watching each of her teammates fight, and by now has a pretty good idea of how their weapons, Semblances, and fighting styles work, comes up with an unorthodox plan that might just work, and saves the day. This way, we show that Ruby, despite her immaturity and inexperience, has the right mindset to be an effective leader, and a capable Huntress; being such a weapons nerd, a Hunter-fangirl, and being creatively-minded, in a way that can put together abstract pieces of information and arrange them into a coherent pattern, makes her a far more effective leader than the much more refined Weiss. This COULD have been the conflict between Weiss and Ruby, but instead it was nothing.
Dude,do you have a You Tube channel?Rewrite this show.Only this little bit is amazing!
@@aleksandrahramov7567 The days that have gone by where I dreamed of creating a RWBY rewrite/critique video, or even video series... Maybe someday
Thinking about a weapon's inventor Ruby reminds me of a young Tony Stark from Iron Man: Armored Adventures. It would've been a REALLY cool way to play out a character!
@@StardustLegend And you could pack in so many little bonding moments where, throughout the series, Ruby helped her friends and teammates improve their weapons, or design them new ones from the ground up if need be, it could have been super cool and fun.
Do u write fics? Ur grasp of storytelling is impresseive and I kinda wanna see more of ur writings!
The intro robbery:
The bad guy could have used the dust he was stealing in the fight against Ruby to immediately demonstrate how it is used.
Buuuut they didn’t >.
Hell, they could’ve cut the intro monologue and just let the fact that Torchwick’s casing a whole store full of dust demonstrate its value.
exACTLY
It's not fun
Yeah, that would have been an awesome introduction to dust... I'mma remember that for the non-existent future where I write a story of my own
He actually did. He threw a red Dust crystal from his ship to Ruby who as on the rooftop, and then shot the crystal, causing it to explode.
I know the video is already 2 and a half hours, but I was surprised that when you spoke about the Faunus, you didn't mention the fundemental problems with Blake's character.
She talks to Sun in Menagerie about how this land that was given to them is so difficult to live in, and that it's something that was given to them to effectively shut them up, and because no one wanted it because it's overrun with Grimm.
They do this sitting in a fucking beach front bar, sipping fruity cocktails... And then they walk across this island paradise, with massive roads wide enough for multiple cars, looking at the houses in this beautiful place, saying how they all live on top of one another... Not only is that not the case as we are literally being shown the wide open streets and single story huts, but the crown fucking jewel is when Sun asks "Which house is yours?".
And then she points to the HUGE FUCKING MANSION in the middle of the settlement, with room around it for fucking attached grounds...
And that's what I mean about Blake's character suddenly breaking... She's not the victim of racial prejudice, because this instantly turns her into a spoilt rich kid who's acting out against her daddy... Which I guess you can make into something with regards to character, but it completely broke the character for me.
And then when you actually see Atlas and Mantle later in the show, where Faunus are actually living in seriously difficult conditions, in virtual slums, ACTUALLY STACKED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER, she comes off like such a massive privilaged bitch - ironically mirroring Weiss a lot more than I think they ever intended...
He mostly focused on the first 3 volumes for this video. I wouldn't be surprised if he was saving that strong criticism for a possible future RWBY video that spoke about the disasters that were volumes 4-9. Of course, it's good that you also pointed this up, along many other fans who kept up with the show, but that scene is from volume 4. He probably was also planning to criticize harshly the Argus, Haven, and Atlas arcs, especially the episode With Friends Like These and the terrible volume 8 finale, which combined with volume 9 pretty much killed the show. But well, only time will tell if he will make another video to criticize the post-Monty volumes or the Rooster Teeth company as a whole.
blake was giving "jaden smith" throughout rwby's entire run
This sounds like what happens when the writers and environmental artists don't properly speak to each other. Like, not a single person noticed the discrepancy and pointed it out. They presumably just used the pre-built city assets they had already worked on but no one pointed out that would actively contradict the story telling in the scene
There's something that I would like to bring up is that we're introduced to Blake's past with her in dirty clothes, unkempt hair, and dirt is on her face. We're led to believe that she was an orphan living on the streets and Adam took her in by the way she talks about her past. An alley cat, so to speak. This would be an actually interesting piece of history for her character and give her interest in being a huntress purpose.
But, much like everything that could have been interesting about RWBY, the writers went with something incredibly tone-deaf instead.
Now Blake is this privileged rich girl that's never faced hardship in her life and is the heir to her own independent city state, who got to travel to another country to study abroad, preach about social justice but never actually do anything about it, and then told the oppressed masses fighting for change that it's their fault they don't have rights.
@@Midnight-StarfishThere is so much story potential in deliberately making a character as shitty a person as you describe Blake being. That's a *fantastic* starting point for an arc.
Of course, to take advantage of that, you have to know what you're doing...
"People aren't going to buy your Boop shirt if they're sad about racism." And yet Avatar managed to tackle genocide AND racism while still being a fun, enjoyable show.
Genocide, xenophobia, politics, abusive parents, grey morality of war, dealing with death, intricate human relationships, and hope when everything seems to be lost. Everything tied neatly in a child-friendly story with excellent execution.
Again, the writers of RWBY just picked things they thought was cool but didn't understand why. And from the end result, we can assume they didn't even TRY to understand the source material.
@@TwilightWolf032 Dave Filoni's skills ma man.
I don't remember the racism part.
@@parasemprealice5684 Neither do the writers, that's why they turned Adam into a crazy-ax ex-boyfriend - they forgot he was a freedom fighter XD
@@TwilightWolf032 Ok, but can you tell me the racism part?
“I didn’t watch Monty Oum’s RWBY to watch Miles Luna’s Avatar”. I think out of all the scathing comments I’ve heard on this show, I felt that one. Wow.
I've read better fanfiction than what these two jokes of a writers managed to pull out of their asses and the whole WOKE pandering is just pathetic.
I read this comment just as that was being said!
@@SunlitSonata14272 It's not terribly Avatar like, but it is great.
@@SunlitSonata14272 There are a lot more than these two shows that have all these things and more in common (Nevermind that there is really only one matching character dynamic between the two of them).
@@sebpaul3548
Ain't that the truth. They are actually really good. Like some of the best fanfictions I ever read. And has quite a bit of originality and creativity.
"I promise to never make anything this long again"
PRESS X TO DOUBT.
(edit) :3c
More like "Press X to hope it ain't true"
Tbh I like the longer videos. Was a nice surprise to see that time box, ngl.
These are the movies I look forward too!
X
X
55:44 in the commentary on the dvd Miles and Kerry say that their head cannon is that team RWBY had a sleepover to decide their team attack names….. YOU ARE THE WRITERS! PUT THAT IN THE STORY THEN
The show writers should not have a HEADCANNON WTF?
I don't mean to sound pretentious or dour about a creative project, but the responsibility of a writer involves many things that I think Miles and Kerry saw as a slight inconvenience.
The writers run the show with a fanboy mentality. They have "headcanons" and wish fulfillment OCs and make scenes based on cool stuff from other shows.
@@ycleptprof.5249 I think you’re right. I feel like they spent especially the early days writing the show as fans and not as showrunners/writers/etc. I’m glad they got some help by hiring new writers in the later seasons
@@ycleptprof.5249 I think you’re right on the money, here. They wrote the characters as though the audience was already familiar with them instead of doing actual characterization.
It’s basically just putting character models into scenarios that feel like they’re clipped out of context.
@@fredericksmith7942 I rather like it more how you put it. It makes me think of someone making a fan edit for their OCs and the comments are just like, "tf are these guys?" 🤣 Like we're supposed to already know who they are and what their deals are.
Now I can't sleep thinking about a bunch of confused people looking at cool fight scenes with scant continuity. Thank you.
"Potentially cool, but faceplants." is the most frustrating kind of disappointment.
So modern day pokemon 😎
maki harukawa
Avalon Code and Achron are my top two in that category. For the former, look at the screenshot run on LParchive, that's a great adaptation to draw out the good bits.
@@monicaraybrandt More like the entirety of V3, lol
@@monicaraybrandt What's wrong with maki
1:08 "Eight long years into production..."
Are you talking about this video, hbomb?
If you replace years with months, then yeah.
w-w-why is your profile pic a picture of the wooden bear from a Teletubby episode
(it was literally the cause of my nightmares for 10 years)
"The show could have been anything and it wants to be anything but itself."
Probably the best description of the show's problems. Great stuff as always!
“When a person decides to be themselves they offer something no one else can be”
-50 cent
43:11 i think you meant, “blake will never use her incredibly useful semblance because the animators never think about it after volume 3”
Broke: stopping the video to watch the red trailer
Woke: stopping the video to watch Cowboy Bebop Knocking on Heaven's Door
Bespoke: stopping the video to rewatch all of Avatar the Last Airbender
Terrance Kling How come the X in the show is silent?
wokest: stopping the video to watch the first 14 seasons of red vs blue
@Terrance Kling ew bad
Masterstroke: stopping the video to watch the entire series of Cowboy Bebop including the movie.
Edit: not a joke; I'm on episode 3
Honestly what makes the Faunus Racism Subplot even better was just how Season 5 resolved the whole thing.
Blake essentially tells the oppressed minorities that came to this place to avoid oppression that it’s their fault they’re oppressed because they aren’t nice to humans and don’t police themselves enough.
Truly a remarkable tale of prejudice and systemic oppression.
What slum? The Faunus all live on a secluded tropical island paradise. They’re not the aliens from District 9 who live in an actual slum. Aside from that yeah it’s really fucking hilarious that one of the main characters (who’s whole thing was her fighting against her people’s oppression or at the very most being vocal about it happening) turns around and says it’s all their fault.
@@thomasraines1396
Yeah you’re pretty right on that. Slum isn’t exactly a good word to describe it.
@@cretinouscretin9677 what makes even worse is Blake is basically a princess as she’s the daughter of the former head of the White Fang.
@@thomasraines1396 and they it has toxic creatures on it but not once have we seen any and never imply that there Grimm or not.
@@animefan2454 I think it's meant to literally just be Australia, same place on the map too.
if they "needed a sokka character," why not make one of the main girls that character? it really seems like all the women are generic anime women whose arcs are 2 seconds long, and then the men get personalities & character arcs (poorly written but still present).
Yep! I guess they didn't realized Sokka was part of the main cast and NOT a side character with too much screen time
Oh sure, but which character could've even theoretically filled that position? It's not like one of their four lead characters is explicitly written as incredibly inexperienced, invested in doing the right thing regardless of difficulty, a natural leader, and would also have a lot of things to learn now that she's been accelerated into a position she would otherwise have been too young to fulfil. There's probably not a single person in the cast who could take the place as the normal-knees addition to the super team who then grows into the pivotal role they've been thrust into.
God, now I kind of want to see what Ruby would've been like if there was some sort of "it's bad for kids to unlock their aura before the end of puberty, so we unlock it in their last year at Signal Academy" plot point. She would surely be aware of aura, but could still be in a position to get a quick on-screen cliffnotes summary from her dad/uncle before they unlock it for her to get her ready for Beacon. Not being able to use it to its fullest potential in a fight could be the reason she steps back and starts coming up with off the wall strategies for the Giant Nevermore fight, it would give weiss more of a reason to resent being placed under her, give Ruby a reason to react with "uh...what?" when someone uses their aura to lift a shield from twenty yards away...okay, hang on. This started as a "What if Ruby was the main character of RWBY" joke, but now I kind of want to explore it.
@@VorthodWiler the thing about characters is that you can write them however you want, so they could make it any of the characters and just write them to be inexperienced, doing the right thing, and a natural leader. believe it or not you can plan stories with your writers' room & then choose to make the characters whatever people you want them to be, so if you want to include a kind of character, you can make it one of the main characters by doing it.
@@Pinkstarclanoof.
I haven't watched this show, but Weiss is in no way generic, and she has quite the arc. My good friend Paul has told me all about this show, and he always made sure to mention this fact in our many conversations on the subject.
I've got a 10 week old kitten that sat still and watched this for at least 45 minutes. He's never sat still that long while awake.
I liked it quite a bit too.
That's adorable. Where is he? I want to, uh, visit him. Yeah, visit. Not steal. No not at all.
@@spongecakes1986NO he’s all mine!
So, to do list for future original animated web-series:
- Hire actual writers.
- Make the team communicate.
Done.
- Get a project lead who would give up their firstborn for the project.
Make sure that you have some number of women and people of color on the writing team
@@Tman102792 Yeah, absolutely
@@Tman102792 LGBT folk too. Even Consultants can be helpful.
Side note; I get this is a joke, but an issue with Vol 4 was how a slap happened BECAUSE of that lack of communication between the directors/writers and the animation. It was actually meant to be like a playful pap you may do to a friend who made a the kind of dumb jokes you love them for rather than what they ended up going for and it ignited many a discourse about the characters and their relationship being problematic rather than, you know, the production of the show being really bad to it's animators lol
Maybe have the person who came up with the world to write most of the show
i feel like every time i hear miles luna say "hey pyrrha how you doin' girl" or "she's so preeetty", it takes another year off my life
Which do you think is worst: him saying that or that one time he was telling a story about how awesome it was to date a bi girl since his girlfried got drunk once and made out with another woman in front of him and he got to watch them kiss with his friends?
That picture of him having a Ruby body pillow is also really creepy...
@@Rawnblade13 is the worst. . .
@@amf8648 or the fact that he says tifa dresses like a whore while yang unironically acts like the type of girl who'd do bukkakes
My spinal column turned into dust from the cringe
Hbomb's tombstone:
"This corpse is garbage, and here's why"
Underneath is a carved QR code that links to this channel
@@dontminchinit2656 His last video is just a live feed of his grave for all time.
HBombs last video is going to be him as a 90 year old man complaining about how death itself sucks and shouldn't happen. and om his tombstone there will be a QR code linking to that video.
"Hbomb no longer makes videos, and here's why"
and the dates of his life and death will be directly beneath the 'why'.
Ngl Monty just coming up with random characters that had to be put in somewhere does explain how like half the cast are cool concepts that have no place in the story
Ruby being a genius inventor and always nerding out super hard over everyones weapons was the most interesting thing of the entire show to me
that one actual personality trait was enough for me to originally fall in love with the show, and have been met with nothing but disappointment as the writers JUST COMPLETELY FORGOT THAT EASY & OBVIOUS PLOT DEVICE BEHIND
@@Thunder-Sky I imagine that when they finally wake Weiss up, Ruby's gonna be like, "This is the part that shoots the bullets, we fought a Nevermore, how don't you know this!", or something like that maybe.
That must be a one and done thing any time a new character is introduced right? Seems like it would get rather old?
what kind of makes me sad is that ruby despite her inventor archetype they did not really explore that? Like she could of had MacGyver moments every now and then heck we could of had a moment where ruby managed to add upgrades to all of the gang's weapons.
@@Suninrags You could even make it another character arc for her. How far does she go before it's too far, when it comes to upgrading their weapons? What if her upgrade in theory is very powerful, but because she doesn't account for how it would feel for her teammates, it causes them to have an accident and she has to live with that guilt?
It’s really unfortunate.
The aura scene could have been so much better without changing much at all.
Pyrrha: [playfully condescending] "You DO know what aura is, right?"
Jaune: [in a funny tone but completely serious] "Yeah, it's my force-field!"
Pyrhha: [annoyed and maybe even a little offended at this oversimplification] "[infodumps for a bit, then trails off]... you know what? I don't think any of this is gonna make it into your force-field." [flicks him on the head]
Jaune is still stupid, but in the sense of having only a simplified and even childish understanding of things that important not just in the setting, but to him, personally. Pyrhha still infodumps, but in response to hearing something so dumb it made her angry, which is relatable to anyone who's ever been alive and met another person.
That's a good one!
Heck yeah, that's a great way of turning clunky exposition into more natural dialogue
Yes, that's actually an excellent idea, since it's just like the first episode of Avatar - Sokka oversimplifies bending, Katara gets mad and Sokka quips back. No idea how they managed to butcher exposition so much, even after seeing it done well in other shows.
Honestly, this is probably the most damning thing about RWBY's writing. It's not great, but works well enough for me most of the time; but then I see so many people showing their rewrites of anywhere from individual scenes to the entire series so far and gone "damn, that would have actually been a great way to do that." So the writing CAN be done better, and even has to varying degrees by fans and other writers!
@@screeno42 That's why the entire series feels like a first draft; all it needed was some simple rewrites to trim the fat and focus the story a bit, but nope.
"people arent gonna buy your boop tshirts if theyre sad about racism!"
damn.
Honestly, that's short-sighted thinking. If you make a darker story, but keep more light-hearted moments, the "boop" stands out that much more and thus is arguably even more marketable. Even Avatar knew how to juggle really dark moments with really light moments.
I was going to say that quote's emblematic of neoliberalism, but I honestly don't quite understand that term enough to know if I'm using it properly. Is it?
@@CrowTR0bot i dont think hbomb was saying you couldn't do this, but this what the creators were thinking about. i don't this this is a point he was too serious with.
That statement was very incorrect
@@eren34558 ok sexist
HE'S WEARING A CROSS???? DID JESUS DIE IN RWBY?!?!?!?
Yeah xD My theory is that - since originally Ruby also wore a cross in the trailer and then they changed in the show -- they forgot to the same with Qrow. And Qrow probably orignally only designed to be related to Ruby before they made her and Yang siblings. So yeah, I think they forgot to change his pins to some thing because, a BILLION years later, they did introduce religion into this universe and it has nothing to do with jesus XD
Jesus was a catboy.
Thats what happens when your damn director doesn't care about the writing.
The cross wasn't created by Jesus. It turned into a religious symbol when Jesus died but before that it was just a method of torture.
Can we get like Rwby: Brotherhood or something?... like, it's okay guys. Feel free to remake the entire show just to get it right this time
Edit 1: Ok, so apparently we are getting an anime adaption of Rwby made by Studio Shaft (Monogatari Series). Could this be the new take Rwby needed? It's safe to say i'm hyped
Edit 2: Rwby anime was.... ok I guess
I would love it. I have been thinking and talking about it for almost a year now. But God knows how long it will take to happen or even if it will be worth it at all because of how much more messed up RWBY is.
Besides, we'd _definitely_ need another writing team for this, of course. Some that doesn't go "WoW, stOrE rObErY CoOL" mentality at the actual story.
What I don't understand is the fact that the original FMA wasn't terrible. The ending was convoluted to say the least, but overall it wasn't bad. RWBY has fundamental problems that need to be fixed which will in turn completely change how the story gets told. At that point, a reboot isn't likely. A completely new show in a different time period is where I would go presuming Rooster Teeth sees the project as worthwhile.
Which I would watch no questions asked of course.
@@LiveType Theoretically, it should be possible to fix at least its early mistakes without straying _too far_ from what makes RWBY, RWBY and its original major plotline. At least up to Volume 3 and the Fall of Beacon. The problem is the immeasurable ammount of screentime and technical skill that would be needed to be deticated just to explore its missing concepts, fix the plot holes and connect its thousands of loose ends and disjointed plot points into a cohesive story together with proper pacing!
Edit: Yeah, I'm trying my best with a RWBY "remake" fanfic right now and oooh boy, that's a lotta work just dedicated to the outline of the plot. But it's possible if you are creative enough to work around the major plotline events and expand the lore "sideways" and add other events to justify how and why they were needed, specially if you tweak just some minor details of the worldbuilding around it. But yeah, that's the natural problem that comes with high stakes stories with intrigue plans that have dozens upon dozens of moving parts.
No, FMA 2003 didn't become popular by using cool fight as it's crutch or by pulling from Frankenstein, the Divine Comedy, real life, etc in just surface level appearances as RWBY is. The staff had an understanding of it's story, characters and how to utilize themes to progress them. Like Liore/Reole wasn't moved to a desert just cause thats where the Iraq War was, it's because that influence actually serves a narrative and thematic purpose. There is not an equal lack of good storytelling here, if there were far more US fans would've dropped it and rushed to read the manga when it was released in 2005, they did not....and many still don't.
RWBY at it's core it's just _"oooh look epic fights"_ so it didn't properly tell the story of it's characters because it doesn't know WHO THEY TRULY ARE OR WHY THEY'RE HERE. The entire series would have to be rewritten with an intent to actually tell something not just show cool stuff. How RWBY was given 100+ episodes in such a state is a mystery and just...exhausting to me.
It's called Avatar
why does Hbomberguy in the narrations look exactly like the kid in the Polar Express
Julia Gabriele I mean can we prove he wasn’t the kid from the Polar Express?
hes british
I was thinking that he looks like the kid from Bully (the game from 2006)!
@@PygmyGoat3 TF2's Little Jack is where my mind led me.
"Draw me like one of your uncanny valley girls"
I've never seen this show but my friend said that RWBY feels like AI generated anime and after watching this video (for some reason) I'd say she was completely right lol.
That’s disturbingly accurate.
Heh heh you said bwby
@@vaiyt No i didn't what are you talking about O.O pure slander
Every anime feels like AI generated anime.
@@blau6832 monster?
In before people start blaming Hbomberguy for the closing of Rooster Teeth.
Me too
O shoot rooster teeth is finally closing? Hope they dont bring RWBY down with them
@@nekoteru24 Spoiler alert: yes
@@hanifarroisimukhlis5989Rwby came back, but it is still with Rooster Teeth, so idk if it will get better
If he was a trans woman they already would have
RWBY fans: Wait it's all Avatar?
hbomerguy: Always has been.
Its mostly avatar. If it were all Avatar, then it wouldn't have Cowboy Bebop The Movie's Opening, Soul Eater's weapon, or Naruto's tournament arc climax.
They WISH it could be avatar
HOLY SHIT I'm wheezing, someone please make this meme.
Avatar had a plot. That's the difference
@@zuulmeister8409 looks like someone didn't watch the video, or RWBY, or Avatar
Short Version: Writing amateur hour. Nepotism. Used friends instead of professionals.
Red Flag: You're hiring writers to help the animator... and the animator has to teach the writers you hired about the genre they're supposed to be writing in...
Also, Miles and Kerry weren't "hired", they were just popular figures for RT fans and they were "hired" based on that, not actual talent
This whole project feels like one of those TH-camr movies in hindsight
Another problem is that Anime is not a genre. Being asked to make an anime is like asking someone to make a movie. Yeah, there are common tropes but, in the same way that there are differences between Superhero action movies and spy thrillers, there are differences between different anime genres.
Monty gave them a mashup of various things and expected them to make sense of it. It would have been fine if he just said "let's make a TV show styled after an anime" but he gave them HOMEWORK for it. The copy paste was bound to happen because of this. They shouldn't have treated RWBY as an anime, they should have treated it as a show that was animated. Anime isn't a genre, it is just Japanese animation.
@@grandempressvicky6387 exactly!
In a parallel world Burnie Burns didn't step away from writing and Monty didn't pass away and RWBY is a god tier show.
"It keeps threatening to be good" holy shit a perfect string of words have never been formed until now.
*now don't threaten me with a good time*
Basically the only reason I still watch rwby
Except Vytal Festival was great.
@@falcon8752 Nah, just the climatic chaos of the second half of Season 3 that came during the Festival.
@@mekingtiger9095 that's the low part of the season. The festival fights themselves were great and Shonen anime should take lessons from those choreographies.
1:04 Well, Harris Bomberguy, it will please you to know that "Sherlock is Garbage, and Here's Why" won't be on your gravestone. Instead a 4-hour video about plagiarism will be playing on loop on your headstone.
Harris at the end of a 2.5 hour video: I promise to never make anything this long again.
Harris writing about James Somerton: *evil cackling laughter*
I mean, he did do a 3 hour video on Deus Ex before that
Edit: holy shit, I didn't realize that the latest video was even longer than that. It's almost 4 hours long! I watched it in chunks so I didn't notice it
Technicially he didn't make a video this long again. He made one that was longer.
@@elmerzcosta and the 4h video was that good made, I didn't notice the length until 3h in.
Oh, THAT is why I'm back here!
XD
I think the closest to this one in length is Roblox_Oof?
I will never not laugh at someone calling naruto “boruto’s dad”
Bossa Bassa He seems like an interesting character, I’d definitely love an anime focused on him and Sarada’s dad, would be rad.
It will never not be funny lol.
@Gmoney 12 Yeah, we know.
Boruto's Dad and his Army of Frenemies had me dying. 😂
yeah but the boruto anime is finally following the manga canon and is now 1000 times better
Monty Oum wanted nothing to do with the writing aspect, and yet he was the best writer on the team. YIKES
EDIT 12/15/2020: holy crap I never meant to start anything. I love this show, don't hate it what-so-ever, but I can still recognize faults within the plot and writing. I hope everyone has a good day and in the end, remember this is just a show PLEASE.
He was in charge of a lot of the most complained thing like faunus subplot, introducing maidens, focusing so much on Jaune, so no he was not the best writer
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind the worst part is some characters and character traits wouldn't even exist without this plot (which imo is very poorly handled).
icecontrol1 Monty created the Faunus, miles and Kerry shitted on the plot point, Monty made the maidens, miles and Kerry introduced relics which low key invalidated the Maidens and Jaune is literally a insert character of a man who writes the show
Arigadia
Jaune’s basically Miles’ outlet to fulfil his weird crush in Pyhrra.
satan word and he changed what would have been Jaunes biggest mistake in the series because jaune was supposed to cause Pyrrhas death, plus that would have made v5 better 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Ah yes, the issues caused by Miles and Kerry identifying as 'lonely nerds' and making it their entire personality. God damn those two remained such an issue with the RT animations. They really weren't/aren't great people and talentless writers. That reminder was so depressing it even surpassed the reminder that Ryan Haywood voiced the professor.
In the RWBY game, if you play as Nora, she basically only ever says "boop".
For the entire game. Every time you use a heavy attack. She says "boop".
Every. Single. Time.
*Boop.*
God the game is so bad. I mean it's serviceable, as a video game. It is a game you can play I give it that. But my god they really only used the same like 4 voice lines for each character
Fun fact, the demo was apparently way better then the final version
@@eren34558 damn bro you must really love RWBY
So it's basically like playing with a really annoying Sombra player in Overwatch
Ha! I think that enemy got THE POINT
Harry really putting a “Welcome back” for the RWBY trailer but not for Avatar like I didn’t just rewatch the whole thing
Eren Denburg Niederhoffer I sense you like trying to bait people
@@eren34558 stay mad
I started it for the first time because of this.
@@eren34558 bad troll attempt
@@eren34558
Gr8 b8 m8
“Is this gonna be on my gravestone?”
hbommerguy wasn’t garbage, and here’s why
*QR code to a 17 hour video*
MORE LIKE HBUMMERGUY BECAUSE HE’S ALWAYS BUMMING ME OUT
[cause of death] was disappointing, and here's why
bommer
FULLY AGREE
Btw, the "activist group that used to be good protesters but is now terrorists because of change in leadership" plot point was also (most probably) jacked from _Bebop._
Its also realistic, I mean look at black lives matter
@@kieranhurst8543 Sure bud.
That one is a tried and tested media trope. Falcon & The Winter Soldier did it with The Flag Smashers. The Flag Smashers were correct, but they didn't want the audience on that side so decided to make em kill random innocents.
@@V3xxe Its funny how that show came out the same year as The Suicide Squad sequel that pulled no punches at all with its critique of the US government that its protagonists fight the literal stars and stripes in the climax
@@kieranhurst8543 Meh, not completely, as a hefty amount of violence in BLM protests are usually started by another group. Like counter protestors & trigger happy cops.
I'm less than 10 minutes in and I'm still recovering from master chief and sgt. metroid being a wlw couple watching the sunset
That's Sgt. Metroid, I can't believe people still get that wrong in 2020
Ado and 「 Ribbon」 edited per your request 🥰
sergeant samantha s. metroid
Frankly its kind of disgusting that the thing ends with a shot of two hot women in latex suits with their clearly defied massive asses being the center of the frame and also touching? What?
😊
The “writers acting weirdly about character/cut to them stating character age” gag is peak comedic timing and also horrifying.
Everytime i heard "shes 15" i couldnt not laugh
I know right? Like... If you _must_ write female characters you intend to drool over, at least make them legal!
“She’s 17 years old”
@@Draeckon The character age is arguably another anime trope that they mindlessly lifted into their own show. I personally don’t understand why anime so often center on children and young teenagers doing adult things - for instance, the first three seasons of AOT, and much of season four, are about child soldiers - for no particular reason.
@@aidanwarren4980 It’s so writers can have their cake and eat it too. They can appeal to a younger viewer base while having mature stories. At least with AOT, the tragedy is that they are super young children who are child soldiers because their world is so unforgiving. Sure, the show could've done more with the idea but in RWBY, their youth serves little to no purpose. They could've been college-aged and nearly nothing would change.
I remember watching the show and they revealed Blake's cat ears I was confused because I thought her bow WAS cat ears.
Damn, you must've thought Weiss was *really* racist.
That trash can line would be like dropping the hard r on your co-worker when the rest of the team is standing right there.
That happened to me too! I was like "Weis... Blake IS a faunus!"
Ikr. I had 0 idea it was a bow, they probably should’ve kept it dark grey at all times at least instead of blending it into her hair during fight scenes. I know the reason is to make animation for those easier but...
SAME! I didn't realize that was a big reveal and I thought Weiss was really supposed to just be a real piece of shit person that was supposed to learn why her view on the cute animal girls was fucked up and wrong.
What a disappointing series.
DeebZ Scrub It was wild because I remember quitting the series very early (like before Monty died early) and people kept begging me to come back to it so we could have another thing in common/talk about it. But even if I did watch more of it (which I ended up doing but quit again when Pyrrha died) the only things I would’ve had to say were criticisms, and it was obvious I was just raining on everyone’s parade.
do you guys also think about how the first black (or atleast a character with darker skin) character was a thief and the other one is named flynt coal
What's worse is that it gets worse: Oscar, a supposed main character now that gets beaten up by Qrow and other in Volume 6 and no one does a thing about it, and Ilia who's starts as part of the evil White Fang.
@@Starsy-chan2.0 completely forgot about this, haven't watched the show since i was like 12
@@ligealucretia no worries, I'm just here to inform.
Don't forget that the guy who made Penny, a pale ginger, is darker skinned. Apparently when making a daughter, able to make her look however he wants, he wanted her to have the complexion of paper. There's also the Hispanic lady whose design was clearly inspired by Dia de los Muertos, an extremely bright and colorful holiday, but has the most dull color palette ever. AND Sun's skin kept getting lighter