You really need to moderate the comments in your channel. Someone called Wandrative is currently harassing me. The comments are on the reply of Ulysses Lee (writing system of the world) That guy for some reason is convinced that I'm Chinese (I'm not) because of my opinions. Really toxic
@@eleven11three It is impossible for TH-camrs to moderate everything, especially on long threads. It is up to each user to behave decently and to make their own decisions. In checking the thread, it would appear to me that both of you have used rude behaviour and made assumptions about each other. My advice would be to simply walk away from the conversation.
People back then practiced infanticide so I wonder if that’s even the members of this dynasty we know don’t seem to have deformed facial features...not thar incest also shows in same ways.
The most curious thing to me is that Cleopatra VII wasn't a blithering idiot suffering from a withering or grossly elongated chin, hemophilia, a cleft palate or any of various other afflictions. Rather, by all accounts she was witty, clever and physically attractive. How she didn't draw the same genetic lottery as Charles II of the Habsburg house is beyond me.
There are also roumors that cleopatra actually wasn't that attractive but her enemys made that up because people couldnt imagine fearing an ugly woman. (Just rumors tho I don't claim it's true I just found it interesting)
@@ginadewenter4968 Could be it was lies, more likely was that section of the world (the one dominated and influenced by Rome) at that time had differing ideas of what "attractive" was. For instance, a large Roman or Greek-esque nose was seen as a sign of noble breeding. Nowadays (unfairly, if you ask me) people don't seem to think that. So many in modern times find her depictions (and they're all pretty consistent in a lot of the features) to be not so attractive. But back then, her strong physical features plus her intelligence and charisma impressed almost everyone she met.
Cleopatra was extremely intelligent. The fact she managed to seduce 2 Roman generals and had children with Julius Caesar to further Egypt's future proves her wit. And not only that but many people in Rome actually sided with Mark Anthony against Augustus and the other Roman politicians who plotted to murder Julius Caesar. Since Julius Caesar was basically the one who built Rome to that point, they were in their height under his rule. So his assassination was felt. And You have no idea how influential Hellenic Egypt was in that time, many people went there to study just like in Delphos in Greece. It was a center for Human knowledge just like Alexander wanted. Octavian's dirty and murderous ascension to Roman dictatorship marked the beginning of the end for the Roman civilization, Rome only became weaker and lost influence and territories after Octavian took over Cleopatra spoke various languages and she and her sister were educated in the best education in the world at the time, in Alexandria. Since she was not only Greek but also royalty, the best teachers and gymnasiums. Hellenic Egypt was the center of Human enlightenment before the Romans destroyed everything and left Egypt weak to be invaded by the arab caliphate that pretty much erased Egypt as a culture
Could be also that Cleopatra was a woman while Charles II was a man since inbreeding brings out bad recessive traits that are seen more in males since they have 1 Y chromosome.
hmm Ptolemy V-Cleopatra I Ptolemy VI-Cleopatra II Ptolemy VIII-Cleopatra III Ptolemy IX-Cleopatra IV Ptolemy X-Cleopatra Selene Ptolemy XII-Cleopatra V Ptolemy XIII-Cleopatra VII Ptolemy XIV- Cleopatra VII
Pausing the video at about 7:10, I managed to work out that Cleopatra VII father was half uncle to Cleopatra VII Mum. And Her Mums father was cousin to her Mums mother. Then Her Mums father was also half brother to her father with her fathers parents being siblings. Furthermore, her Mums father also had parents who were siblings, and were also siblings of Cleopatra VII fathers parents. Meaning Cleopatra VII great grandparents were also her 2nd Great grandparents meaning that 1 set of Great Grandparents were both children of the other set of Great Grandparents🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 It made sense in my head, I mean, sort of, not really but shh
Ancient Egyptians: I just received an invitation to the wedding of Cleopatra and Ptolemy! Everybody else: Didn’t that happen a century, as well as twenty years ago? Ancient Egyptians: No, there children are getting married! Everybody else: so it’s a double wedding? Ancient Egyptians: No silly, they’re getting married to each other!
@@rach1496 I think I watched it too but if I recall it correctly it was kind of an overview of some of them. Those families have been mentioned in several videos but I don't remember seeing them being the main topic of the video.
Marcello Rusciano there’s a video about the Borgia and Medici discussing their influence and multiple papacies, I don’t rememberer him mentioning the Bourbon family though.
Aw, he skips or only lightly touches on some of the best parts. Like how Ptolemy VIII was married to both Cleopatra II and III at the same time, so to differentiate Cleopatra II was "the sister" and Cleopatra III was "the wife". Or just the tangled mess and relationships between the children of Ptolemy VIII and the contemporary Seleucids. For example, Cleopatra Selene married first her brother Ptolemy IX (who had just been forcibly divorced from their sister Cleopatra IV by their mother as the price of gaining the throne), then her brother Ptolemy X, then her cousin Antiochus VII Grypus of the Selucids (who was the widower of her sister Tryphaena, more on that momentarily), then Antiochus IX Cyzecenus of the Seleucids (who was her cousin, Antiochus VIII's cousin and half-brother, and the widower of her sister Cleopatra IV - the same one who had previously been married to her first husband Ptolemy IX; Cleopatra IV had been executed on the orders of her sister Tryphaena while clinging to an altar for sanctuary - Tryphaena had just said chop of her hands so she wouldn't technically be clinging to the altar any more - and then Antiochus IX had had Tryphaena executed in revenge after capturing her), and finally Antiochus X of the Seleucids, who was her stepson and nephew (as the son of Antiochus IX and Cleopatra IV), as well as first cousin once removed. Yeah, Henry VIII had six wives, but the five husbands of Cleopatra Selene were hardly less dramatic!
It would have been a great story if Cleopatra IV survived her defeat in the Syrian Civil war and rejoined her ex-husband, Ptolemy IX Soter after his divorce from Selene and loss of his throne and together, they planned an invasion of Egypt. Ptolemy IX even helped Cyzicenos against Grypus showing his loyalty to Cleopatra IV. Though I personally think Cleopatra made a better pair with Cyzicenos and wished she had won with him.
Or the part where a sister-queen was sent the _dismembered body parts_ of her own son from her brother-husband...to be unwrapped ON HER BIRTHDAY! ...well, now I see where Game of Thrones got that "baked his sons into a pie" thing...
She wasn't the daughter of Cleopatra V or VI according to some accounts. She was the daughter of a high priestess at the temple of Ptah. Thus Bernice IV has the only child of Ptolemy born out of incest. Cleopatra's mother was half Egyptian and half Seleucid. Thus make Cleopatra I/4th Egyptian I/4th Selucid and 1/2 Ptolemaic. This would explain why she wasn't mentally gifted.
As someone who was born and is living in Egypt, this subject has intrigued me since I knew about the ptolemiac period of Egyptian history. Thank you very much for making this video!
It's honestly impressive that the last Cleopatra was as beautiful and intelligent as she was remembered for being, considering how she was arguably one of the most inbred people to ever live.
Anyone remotely appealing or capable of reproduction was, by definition, a beauty. She was royalty who had kids, therefore she was a beautiful person. People look average, on average lol
Ahhh, Jack can speak at I rate I can follow without my brain melting. Not that I’m complaining. I like re-watching his videos 3-4 times. Really enjoy your work, Jack!
To be precise, royal incest was not just a Ptolemaic thing, it was practiced by their Seleucid rivals and other dynasties of the Hellenistic era. And the Persian and Egyptian dynasties before them. But the Ptolemies were the most, lets say, flamboyant, treating the brother-sister pair as divine co-rulers. Sooo yeah, basically the real historical inspiration for the Targaryens. Minus the dragons ofc :D
@@untruelie2640 True true, I would never forget the fascinating Incas and their Sun-God King, they were another example of royal incest. But I just listed the cultures that would directly predate and partly inspire the Ptolemies with their practices :)
@@jamiemohan2049 hahah that is a great point. They are one huge inbred family, and its a nightmare to follow their chronology, with the same names, epithets and ordinal numbers that are sometimes incorrect or are just an educated guess at best . They are not a family tree, actually, but more of a family pretzel :D
I'm a genealogist and have been so for over 30 years. I have researched over 150,000 individuals, thousands of family trees, many being from the medieval period. Even I get a headache trying to understand the bloodlines of the Ptolemaic dynasty. Believe it or not, in ancient times this sort of inbreeding was relatively common in many cultures.
Great! We just covered this topic in my Western Civilization I and Ancient History classes! :) Anyway, it is interesting to see all the connections between the Egyptians with the Macedonians, Romans, Persians, etc. It's like one big, unhappy family!
I thought Mark Antony and Cleopatra had two sons and a daughter, the eldest son and daughter being named after the sun and lunar deities. Their names were Alexander Helios, Cleopatra Selene II or Cleopatra VIII and the younger son being Ptolemy XVI Philadelphus Antonius. Those three where paraded when Augustus, then Octavian, had them chained up and humiliated. The Roman people felt bad for the 3 orphans, and so he handed them over under the care of Mark Antony's Roman wife whom he left for Cleopatra when he was stationed in the East during Augustus' Triumvirate. The daughter was the only one who is recorded in history to living into adulthood, so who knows what happened to the two younger boys. Maybe it was best to have them secretly killed so they wouldn't have the Ptolemic lineage live on through a male line. Cleopatra Selene wasn't a threat since she was given for marriage to client king Juba II of Mauretania, a very submissive but honorary position.
The best part is the fact that not only they married each other, but also they had the same names. Like we have to number them even they weren't rulers just to be able to tell a difference.
I loved the video. You could make a video of Descendants from Antiquity. Are there any families that we have been able to trace ancestry since before the Middle Ages? My other suggestion is to build the family tree of the Swedish Royal Family, showing the connection between Queen Silvia of Sweden and the Morubixaba Tibiriçá, 16th century Brazilian indigenous leader.
Imagine only having a single pair of great grandparents! It's utterly disgusting and I am very surprised anyone in that family lived long enough to make any king of a mark on history!
Hey, you left out Berenice IV who was the elder sister of Cleopatra VII. She ruled as well and kicked her father and sister out so they went to Rome to get help and all ended with Ptolemy XII executing his daughter after he gained back his throne. Quite important!
Some great and important info I read under Invicta's "Misunderstood Moments in History - Cleopatra's Egypt" video as commented by the user @Koyaa: "Cleopatra's line did not end with her as you said. Her daughter and youngest two sons, her children with Mark Antony, outlived her and their father and where brought back to Rome were they where raised in Octavian/Augustus' household, and while of the two sons one most likely died from disease relatively early and the fate of the other is almost entirely unknown the daughter, Cleopatra Selene II, however grew up and was married to Juba II, who had also been raised in Augustus' home and further was the heir to the Roman client kingdom Mauritania. After their marriage that couple ruled Mauritania from Caesarea(modern Cherchell, Algeria) and had one son, Ptolemy of Mauretania. He was the king famously lured to Rome and executed by Caligula, but he also left a daughter, Drusilla. Drusilla was first married to a Greek named Antonius Felix, but was later divorced by him as he fell in love with another woman, Drusillas second marriage was then with the Priest King of Emesa Sohaemus. Drusillas descendants then became the Royal family of Emesa, who while they where eventually stripped of their royal status when Emessa was absorbed into the Roman province of Syria maintained their hereditary position as high priests of the Sun God Elagabalus. This until one of daughter, Julia Domna, of this family was prophesied to be destined to marry a future king, a man named Septimius Severus allegedly heard this legend and tracke her down and married her. She bore him two sons, today known to us as Caracalla and Geta, and following year of the five emperors Septimius Severus came out as the founder of the Sevaran dynasty. When he died Caracalla and Geta inherited the Roman empire and after them the grandchildren of Julia Domnas sister, Julia Maesa, Elagabalus and Alexander Severus also got their turns as Emperors. Alexander Severus is then generally being viewed as the last Emperor of the Principate, meaning a direct descendant of Cleopatra saw the end of the Imperial order established by the man responsible for her death."
I'm Antoniades, my father's from Cyprus. What i found out by researching my surname is that, the suffix -iades is one of the most ancient Greek suffixes... possibly meaning early Greek and pre-Roman. This would imply Marcus like he claimed was indeed of Greek origin and so was his family's name.. I'm doing a couple of DNA tests this year which should be interesting.. It's funny now with this video it shows Cleopatra was even more Greek than i thought lol seems to be the running theme for me.
@@karlykonz9617 yeah, and one of her descendants were Julia Domna, the Empress of Roman Emperor Septimus Severus and mother of Caracalla. So ome of her descendants actually did become the Roman Emperor:)
My god Irish traveller's would get a look in here, I'd say a lot of research went in to this family tree breakdown Bigtime. So well on ur presentation here, very intriguing stuff altogether. I'm impressed bigtime 😀🇮🇪😀
Enjoyable. Didn't know there were multiple Ptolemy's and multiple Cleopatra's. Fascinating! I found the narration a little fast though. Hard to keep up with all the sisters marrying their brothers etc. Will have to watch it a few more times.
I would be interested in seeing in Royal lineages in the 13th and 14th Century Europe, such as the Empire of Trebizond, Epirus, the Latin kingdom of Thessalonika, Morea which are the post-4th Crusade.
Great amazing work as always! You're amazing! Why no Facebook page? Could you please do a video on the Indian Mythology Family Tree (all the way down to the dynasties that claim descent from them)???
We aren’t sure if who is Cleopatra VII’ mother even though most likely it was Cleopatra V, and we don’t know who her grandmother was. You should have mentioned the women and the uncertainty more.
Only her daughter survived long enough to have a son, and her son only had a daughter, and given how little writing there really is about women of that time we have no idea who her kids were, if she even had any
Cleopatra VII's daughter, Cleo Selene had a son with King Juba who was killed in his forties by Caligula. I wonder if that guy had any descendants. There are notes of 2 Drusillas, but its unclear past this point. Damn I would LOVE to know though!
The numbering of the Cleopatras and Ptolemies is a modern convention used by the historians, so there is some debate on who is who and who fits where. The family tree is a nightmare honestly :D
Originally, it was thought that Ptolemy XII had two Cleopatras as daughters, since a Cleopatra was the senior co-ruler for a short time along side Berenice IV when Ptolemy XII was driven from Egypt from 58 - 55 BC (Cleopatra VII was younger than Berenice IV, so couldn't have been the senior co-ruler, and likely went along with her father in exile to Rome). This Cleopatra was given the number VI. However, it's now fairly well agreed upon that the Cleopatra in question was Cleopatra V, the wife of Ptolemy XII and mother of Berenice IV (and the famous Cleopatra VII and her brothers), meaning that Cleopatra VI is just an error. Since Cleopatra VII is so traditionally associated with the number, no one's bothered to change it.
Los mellizos, que tenían 10 años cuando falleció su madre, y Ptolomeo, que tenía seis, fueron llevados a Roma y tratados bien en la casa de la viuda de Marco Antonio, Octavia, donde fueron educados. De adulta, Cleopatra Selene se casó con Juba, un rey menor, y fue enviada a gobernar Mauritania a su lado. Tuvieron un hijo -otro Ptolomeo-, el único nieto conocido de Cleopatra. Murió de adulto por orden de su primo, Calígula, por lo que ninguno de los descendientes de Cleopatra vivió para heredar Egipto.
This chart totally misses Cleopatra VI and goes from C5 to C7. I believe this is because Cleopatra Selene is usually numbered C5 and Cleopatra Tryphena, wife of P12, is usually numbered C6.
Egyptian Pharaohs Dynasties 18-20 Family Tree:
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Hello mate, try and do the family tree of king David or who'd could be a king of Israel today, if you already did send a me a link thx
You really need to moderate the comments in your channel.
Someone called Wandrative is currently harassing me. The comments are on the reply of Ulysses Lee (writing system of the world)
That guy for some reason is convinced that I'm Chinese (I'm not) because of my opinions. Really toxic
@@eleven11three It is impossible for TH-camrs to moderate everything, especially on long threads. It is up to each user to behave decently and to make their own decisions. In checking the thread, it would appear to me that both of you have used rude behaviour and made assumptions about each other. My advice would be to simply walk away from the conversation.
@@UsefulCharts ethno nationalism seems toxic. Still don't like the Uber nationalistic people anyway.
I'll try to walk away as I can. Need to calm down
You should have included the wives of Ptolemy first here so the chart would not be merely narration based.
Habsburg : We are the Kings of incest
Ptlomaic : pathetic
Hello Sweet Alabama meet Ptlomaic and Habsburg.
Jamie Barba roll tide 😂
@@jamiebarba5701 true
Also Habsburgs: Am I a joke to you
People back then practiced infanticide so I wonder if that’s even the members of this dynasty we know don’t seem to have deformed facial features...not thar incest also shows in same ways.
No one:
Ptolemaic dynasty to Rome: I’m once again asking for your financial support
“this is microsoft tech support. so first you go to this thing and click and go to this website...”
The most curious thing to me is that Cleopatra VII wasn't a blithering idiot suffering from a withering or grossly elongated chin, hemophilia, a cleft palate or any of various other afflictions. Rather, by all accounts she was witty, clever and physically attractive. How she didn't draw the same genetic lottery as Charles II of the Habsburg house is beyond me.
There are also roumors that cleopatra actually wasn't that attractive but her enemys made that up because people couldnt imagine fearing an ugly woman. (Just rumors tho I don't claim it's true I just found it interesting)
@@ginadewenter4968 Could be it was lies, more likely was that section of the world (the one dominated and influenced by Rome) at that time had differing ideas of what "attractive" was.
For instance, a large Roman or Greek-esque nose was seen as a sign of noble breeding. Nowadays (unfairly, if you ask me) people don't seem to think that. So many in modern times find her depictions (and they're all pretty consistent in a lot of the features) to be not so attractive. But back then, her strong physical features plus her intelligence and charisma impressed almost everyone she met.
Can be a result of homozygous dominant trait not recessive!
Cleopatra was extremely intelligent. The fact she managed to seduce 2 Roman generals and had children with Julius Caesar to further Egypt's future proves her wit.
And not only that but many people in Rome actually sided with Mark Anthony against Augustus and the other Roman politicians who plotted to murder Julius Caesar. Since Julius Caesar was basically the one who built Rome to that point, they were in their height under his rule. So his assassination was felt.
And You have no idea how influential Hellenic Egypt was in that time, many people went there to study just like in Delphos in Greece. It was a center for Human knowledge just like Alexander wanted.
Octavian's dirty and murderous ascension to Roman dictatorship marked the beginning of the end for the Roman civilization, Rome only became weaker and lost influence and territories after Octavian took over
Cleopatra spoke various languages and she and her sister were educated in the best education in the world at the time, in Alexandria. Since she was not only Greek but also royalty, the best teachers and gymnasiums.
Hellenic Egypt was the center of Human enlightenment before the Romans destroyed everything and left Egypt weak to be invaded by the arab caliphate that pretty much erased Egypt as a culture
Could be also that Cleopatra was a woman while Charles II was a man since inbreeding brings out bad recessive traits that are seen more in males since they have 1 Y chromosome.
That’s no family tree; that’s a family bush
It's a family topiary of a horse's braid...
More like a stump.
Haha haha!
That family tree never branched off... Just one straight trunk.
Family ladder
I like the part where Cleopatra married Ptolemy
Wasn’t that the only marriage that ever happened in Ptolemaic Egypt?
@@turnip8749 no seems like there was also the rare Arsenoe and Berenice sprinkled in there... literally name your daughter option a b or c
hmm
Ptolemy V-Cleopatra I
Ptolemy VI-Cleopatra II
Ptolemy VIII-Cleopatra III
Ptolemy IX-Cleopatra IV
Ptolemy X-Cleopatra Selene
Ptolemy XII-Cleopatra V
Ptolemy XIII-Cleopatra VII
Ptolemy XIV- Cleopatra VII
😂
And when they inbred
I read the title as "Problematic dynasty Family tree" and tbh, it's not far off
Haha
Haha, this is good
This comment made my day
Ah yes my sister wife who is also my mother, my aunt, my grandmother and my cousin.
Nah I don't think I was EVER taught that marrying your cousin is incest the other cases however
yes it is incest
@@monabohamad2242 depends on the culture. but both are incest imo
Pausing the video at about 7:10, I managed to work out that Cleopatra VII father was half uncle to Cleopatra VII Mum. And Her Mums father was cousin to her Mums mother. Then Her Mums father was also half brother to her father with her fathers parents being siblings. Furthermore, her Mums father also had parents who were siblings, and were also siblings of Cleopatra VII fathers parents. Meaning Cleopatra VII great grandparents were also her 2nd Great grandparents meaning that 1 set of Great Grandparents were both children of the other set of Great Grandparents🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
It made sense in my head, I mean, sort of, not really but shh
@@personaronthegreat1399 im not even gonna attempt to understand that 😂😂😂😂😂
@@monabohamad2242 lol of course not
‘It’s the museums most visited object’. They put it in front of the front door, you can’t really miss it
Ancient Egyptians: I just received an invitation to the wedding of Cleopatra and Ptolemy!
Everybody else: Didn’t that happen a century, as well as twenty years ago?
Ancient Egyptians: No, there children are getting married!
Everybody else: so it’s a double wedding?
Ancient Egyptians: No silly, they’re getting married to each other!
*their
I would love to see the Italian noble families like the House of Bourbon in Naples, House of Borgia in Rome and House of Medici in Florence
Marcello Rusciano he has a video on this! somewhere 😅 but I know I’ve seen it!
@@rach1496 I think I watched it too but if I recall it correctly it was kind of an overview of some of them. Those families have been mentioned in several videos but I don't remember seeing them being the main topic of the video.
Marcello Rusciano there’s a video about the Borgia and Medici discussing their influence and multiple papacies, I don’t rememberer him mentioning the Bourbon family though.
Aw, he skips or only lightly touches on some of the best parts. Like how Ptolemy VIII was married to both Cleopatra II and III at the same time, so to differentiate Cleopatra II was "the sister" and Cleopatra III was "the wife". Or just the tangled mess and relationships between the children of Ptolemy VIII and the contemporary Seleucids. For example, Cleopatra Selene married first her brother Ptolemy IX (who had just been forcibly divorced from their sister Cleopatra IV by their mother as the price of gaining the throne), then her brother Ptolemy X, then her cousin Antiochus VII Grypus of the Selucids (who was the widower of her sister Tryphaena, more on that momentarily), then Antiochus IX Cyzecenus of the Seleucids (who was her cousin, Antiochus VIII's cousin and half-brother, and the widower of her sister Cleopatra IV - the same one who had previously been married to her first husband Ptolemy IX; Cleopatra IV had been executed on the orders of her sister Tryphaena while clinging to an altar for sanctuary - Tryphaena had just said chop of her hands so she wouldn't technically be clinging to the altar any more - and then Antiochus IX had had Tryphaena executed in revenge after capturing her), and finally Antiochus X of the Seleucids, who was her stepson and nephew (as the son of Antiochus IX and Cleopatra IV), as well as first cousin once removed. Yeah, Henry VIII had six wives, but the five husbands of Cleopatra Selene were hardly less dramatic!
*deep breath* SWEEET HOME AAALABAAAMA
It would have been a great story if Cleopatra IV survived her defeat in the Syrian Civil war and rejoined her ex-husband, Ptolemy IX Soter after his divorce from Selene and loss of his throne and together, they planned an invasion of Egypt. Ptolemy IX even helped Cyzicenos against Grypus showing his loyalty to Cleopatra IV. Though I personally think Cleopatra made a better pair with Cyzicenos and wished she had won with him.
My head hurts from this whole explanation. 😩
Or the part where a sister-queen was sent the _dismembered body parts_ of her own son from her brother-husband...to be unwrapped ON HER BIRTHDAY!
...well, now I see where Game of Thrones got that "baked his sons into a pie" thing...
its so odd that Cleopatra was most likely the daughter of 2 half-siblings. And apparently, she was brilliant and spoke about 7 languages!
She wasn't the daughter of Cleopatra V or VI according to some accounts. She was the daughter of a high priestess at the temple of Ptah. Thus Bernice IV has the only child of Ptolemy born out of incest. Cleopatra's mother was half Egyptian and half Seleucid. Thus make Cleopatra I/4th Egyptian I/4th Selucid and 1/2 Ptolemaic. This would explain why she wasn't mentally gifted.
As someone who was born and is living in Egypt, this subject has intrigued me since I knew about the ptolemiac period of Egyptian history. Thank you very much for making this video!
And I thought the Habsburg were the most inbreded Royal Family
But this is still nothing compared to Crusader Kings 2 Family Trees...
A wise person you are
Matt should play ck2 on this channel
@@juandelpueblo8360 Not even on got?
@@juandelpueblo8360 interesting I play ck2 to be a cousin loving crusader(no harem shit)
It's honestly impressive that the last Cleopatra was as beautiful and intelligent as she was remembered for being, considering how she was arguably one of the most inbred people to ever live.
Like this incest is so severe that even the Targaryens from GOT are amateurs to this family
actually she probabably wasn't that beautiful (well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder) but she was smart and very charming
Anyone remotely appealing or capable of reproduction was, by definition, a beauty. She was royalty who had kids, therefore she was a beautiful person. People look average, on average lol
She managed to seduce both Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony, so yes she was beautiful
@@tschulia2817 Still, a miracle given her lineage.
Imagine not marring your sister
This meme was made by the ptolemaic gang
New Kingdom Of Egypt: What a noob
Brothers and sisters marrying each other, just like the Targaryens
Where do you think the idea came from?:-I
Michael Meloche Exactly Dany is a Cleopatra like figure.
These guys are real though. They are the real Targareyans.
At least the Targaryens never married their own kids... unlike a certain Rameses
mal ma Daemon married his niece and the king was angry
Yeaaah. I have been wanting to see this one for awhile.
Ahhh, Jack can speak at I rate I can follow without my brain melting. Not that I’m complaining. I like re-watching his videos 3-4 times. Really enjoy your work, Jack!
Habsburgs: u dare approach me?
Ptlomiac dynasty: i cant shame u with how much more frequent my dynasties incest was to you without getting closer
*Ptolemaic Dynasty Family Circle
To be precise, royal incest was not just a Ptolemaic thing, it was practiced by their Seleucid rivals and other dynasties of the Hellenistic era. And the Persian and Egyptian dynasties before them. But the Ptolemies were the most, lets say, flamboyant, treating the brother-sister pair as divine co-rulers. Sooo yeah, basically the real historical inspiration for the Targaryens. Minus the dragons ofc :D
Much like the Inca-Dynasty. They tried to "keep their divine blood pure" by marrying mostly siblings or cousins...
@@untruelie2640 True true, I would never forget the fascinating Incas and their Sun-God King, they were another example of royal incest. But I just listed the cultures that would directly predate and partly inspire the Ptolemies with their practices :)
@@Alex-mn1fb I see. :)
I view the Seleucid's and Ptolemies as essentially the same family. They also inter married a lot.
@@jamiemohan2049 hahah that is a great point. They are one huge inbred family, and its a nightmare to follow their chronology, with the same names, epithets and ordinal numbers that are sometimes incorrect or are just an educated guess at best .
They are not a family tree, actually, but more of a family pretzel :D
One of the most intriguing and complex family tree you ever published....but your comments are accurate and reliables
I'm a genealogist and have been so for over 30 years. I have researched over 150,000 individuals, thousands of family trees, many being from the medieval period. Even I get a headache trying to understand the bloodlines of the Ptolemaic dynasty. Believe it or not, in ancient times this sort of inbreeding was relatively common in many cultures.
Great! We just covered this topic in my Western Civilization I and Ancient History classes! :) Anyway, it is interesting to see all the connections between the Egyptians with the Macedonians, Romans, Persians, etc. It's like one big, unhappy family!
And full of incest ◐.̃◐
Or one big, happy, dysfunctional family...
Cleopatra wasn't technically Egyptian at all, according to this tree.
I thought Mark Antony and Cleopatra had two sons and a daughter, the eldest son and daughter being named after the sun and lunar deities. Their names were Alexander Helios, Cleopatra Selene II or Cleopatra VIII and the younger son being Ptolemy XVI Philadelphus Antonius. Those three where paraded when Augustus, then Octavian, had them chained up and humiliated. The Roman people felt bad for the 3 orphans, and so he handed them over under the care of Mark Antony's Roman wife whom he left for Cleopatra when he was stationed in the East during Augustus' Triumvirate. The daughter was the only one who is recorded in history to living into adulthood, so who knows what happened to the two younger boys. Maybe it was best to have them secretly killed so they wouldn't have the Ptolemic lineage live on through a male line. Cleopatra Selene wasn't a threat since she was given for marriage to client king Juba II of Mauretania, a very submissive but honorary position.
The best part is the fact that not only they married each other, but also they had the same names. Like we have to number them even they weren't rulers just to be able to tell a difference.
Congratulations on yet another splendid work!
7:47 Well we can go to Cleopatra VII ->Cleopatra V ->Berenice III ->Ptolemy IX and Cleopatra Selene
I loved the video. You could make a video of Descendants from Antiquity. Are there any families that we have been able to trace ancestry since before the Middle Ages?
My other suggestion is to build the family tree of the Swedish Royal Family, showing the connection between Queen Silvia of Sweden and the Morubixaba Tibiriçá, 16th century Brazilian indigenous leader.
I second the second suggestion. Sommerlath family tree please.
Hooo boy. There had to be some new blood in there or they had to get REALLY lucky with Cleo
Man, with all that inbreeding, I'm surprised Cleo VIII didn't have 4 arms and 6 legs! Very interesting chart, but kinda icky.
Was waiting for this one
Ah, I waited for this. Didn't expect the tree to be more tangled than a spaghetti.
I've been waiting a long time for this video
Imagine only having a single pair of great grandparents! It's utterly disgusting and I am very surprised anyone in that family lived long enough to make any king of a mark on history!
Hey, you left out Berenice IV who was the elder sister of Cleopatra VII. She ruled as well and kicked her father and sister out so they went to Rome to get help and all ended with Ptolemy XII executing his daughter after he gained back his throne. Quite important!
I'd like to see the Seluecids next!
Same
Hi Matt!
Would be great to get an explanation video narrated by you about the earlier green section on that chart! 😊
Thank you
I love your videos! These are so informative and well made.
Some great and important info I read under Invicta's "Misunderstood Moments in History - Cleopatra's Egypt" video as commented by the user @Koyaa:
"Cleopatra's line did not end with her as you said. Her daughter and youngest two sons, her children with Mark Antony, outlived her and their father and where brought back to Rome were they where raised in Octavian/Augustus' household, and while of the two sons one most likely died from disease relatively early and the fate of the other is almost entirely unknown the daughter, Cleopatra Selene II, however grew up and was married to Juba II, who had also been raised in Augustus' home and further was the heir to the Roman client kingdom Mauritania. After their marriage that couple ruled Mauritania from Caesarea(modern Cherchell, Algeria) and had one son, Ptolemy of Mauretania. He was the king famously lured to Rome and executed by Caligula, but he also left a daughter, Drusilla. Drusilla was first married to a Greek named Antonius Felix, but was later divorced by him as he fell in love with another woman, Drusillas second marriage was then with the Priest King of Emesa Sohaemus. Drusillas descendants then became the Royal family of Emesa, who while they where eventually stripped of their royal status when Emessa was absorbed into the Roman province of Syria maintained their hereditary position as high priests of the Sun God Elagabalus. This until one of daughter, Julia Domna, of this family was prophesied to be destined to marry a future king, a man named Septimius Severus allegedly heard this legend and tracke her down and married her. She bore him two sons, today known to us as Caracalla and Geta, and following year of the five emperors Septimius Severus came out as the founder of the Sevaran dynasty. When he died Caracalla and Geta inherited the Roman empire and after them the grandchildren of Julia Domnas sister, Julia Maesa, Elagabalus and Alexander Severus also got their turns as Emperors. Alexander Severus is then generally being viewed as the last Emperor of the Principate, meaning a direct descendant of Cleopatra saw the end of the Imperial order established by the man responsible for her death."
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!!
‘... more like a bowl of spaghetti..’ that had me cracking up!
How about the Monarchs of Georgia, Armenia and Jerusalem?
Jerusalem would have to include King David's line and the Crusader kingdom of Jerusalem
The Tyndale website has the correct interpretation of the Dynasty. Every line of Cleopatra VII's ancestry goes back to Potlemy V and CLeopatra I.
Shouldn’t have skipped over the super tangled spot, would have been interesting to hear that mess vocalized
Oh my gosh! So sorry to hear about your health challenges. I hope you recover soon, and completely.
“Tree” this is a trunk at best
You forgot Cleopatra and Marc Anthony's two little boys who were killed
One may have died young. The other one no one isn’t sure what happened to him
The daughter did survive. I think she married into another North African Royal Family
I'm Antoniades, my father's from Cyprus. What i found out by researching my surname is that, the suffix -iades is one of the most ancient Greek suffixes... possibly meaning early Greek and pre-Roman. This would imply Marcus like he claimed was indeed of Greek origin and so was his family's name.. I'm doing a couple of DNA tests this year which should be interesting.. It's funny now with this video it shows Cleopatra was even more Greek than i thought lol seems to be the running theme for me.
Karly Konz Augustus: I’m pretty sure I know what happened to him.
@@karlykonz9617 yeah, and one of her descendants were Julia Domna, the Empress of Roman Emperor Septimus Severus and mother of Caracalla. So ome of her descendants actually did become the Roman Emperor:)
You should do a video on the Swedish monarchy. It would be interesting to see who would be the king today if the Vasa family had stayed in power.
There's a video about the Swedish monarchy
My god Irish traveller's would get a look in here, I'd say a lot of research went in to this family tree breakdown Bigtime. So well on ur presentation here, very intriguing stuff altogether. I'm impressed bigtime 😀🇮🇪😀
Enjoyable. Didn't know there were multiple Ptolemy's and multiple Cleopatra's. Fascinating! I found the narration a little fast though. Hard to keep up with all the sisters marrying their brothers etc. Will have to watch it a few more times.
Can you make John Tyler’s family tree? He still has grandchildren alive today.
Who?
@@ivylasangrienta6093 he's the 10th president of the U.S.
@@r04dk32 that would probably be a short or something
@@anjanajnair true
Habsburg:We are the most inbreed royal family
Ptolemaic Dynasty: Hold my Beer
My mom is a Ptolemy. You should see how the actual family tree looks. It’s pretty intense
I would be interested in seeing in Royal lineages in the 13th and 14th Century Europe, such as the Empire of Trebizond, Epirus, the Latin kingdom of Thessalonika, Morea which are the post-4th Crusade.
4:46 and here is the last time any new genes were added to this family for 150 years
6:19 right...
The new guy does a very good job at narration but he doesn't have as nice a voice as Matt. To be fair, very few people do.
Maybe try and do the Sassanid Dynasty? It was a bit less complicated to the fact that incest was rarer but towards the end things got pretty chaotic.
Don't know if I've requested this before but could you do Tuluva / Suluva dynasties from your Asian Royal Family Chart?
Good stuff. Clarified much for me, thanks.
It would be awesome to see the family trees of Jordan and Saudi Arabia next!
A very fascinating bowl of spaghetti indeed.
When is the Seleucid video gonna be published
Great work
Great amazing work as always! You're amazing! Why no Facebook page? Could you please do a video on the Indian Mythology Family Tree (all the way down to the dynasties that claim descent from them)???
We aren’t sure if who is Cleopatra VII’ mother even though most likely it was Cleopatra V, and we don’t know who her grandmother was. You should have mentioned the women and the uncertainty more.
I would like to see the last known decent of Cleopatra VIII for the Egyptian throne. ^^
Who's here after Queen Cleopatra Netflix's documentary? Looks like he's more Greek than anything else. Absolutely NOT BLACK!
If she's a Macedonian or Greek native, tan is as far as it might go, since sunblock wasn't a thing back then
But who knows... anyway
Skin colour was not important during antiquity
But ethnicity and rank is important
I'd love to see a family tree of Cleopatra VIII descendants. The video could be...who would be the Pharoah of Egypt today.
White people wasn't no pharaohs in egypt
@@Vonnie6x And then you have the Ptolemies and Alexander the great...
@@Vonnie6x Explain the Ptolemies.
Only her daughter survived long enough to have a son, and her son only had a daughter, and given how little writing there really is about women of that time we have no idea who her kids were, if she even had any
Cleopatra VII's daughter, Cleo Selene had a son with King Juba who was killed in his forties by Caligula. I wonder if that guy had any descendants. There are notes of 2 Drusillas, but its unclear past this point. Damn I would LOVE to know though!
keep it coming for educational purposes
I love this channel
Do Austria-Hungary Royal Family tree Pls! Like :)
WE GETTIN THE PERFECT CIRCLE ACHIEVEMENT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
The chart doesn't show any reference to Cleopatra VI. Was that name skipped over?
The numbering of the Cleopatras and Ptolemies is a modern convention used by the historians, so there is some debate on who is who and who fits where. The family tree is a nightmare honestly :D
Originally, it was thought that Ptolemy XII had two Cleopatras as daughters, since a Cleopatra was the senior co-ruler for a short time along side Berenice IV when Ptolemy XII was driven from Egypt from 58 - 55 BC (Cleopatra VII was younger than Berenice IV, so couldn't have been the senior co-ruler, and likely went along with her father in exile to Rome). This Cleopatra was given the number VI. However, it's now fairly well agreed upon that the Cleopatra in question was Cleopatra V, the wife of Ptolemy XII and mother of Berenice IV (and the famous Cleopatra VII and her brothers), meaning that Cleopatra VI is just an error. Since Cleopatra VII is so traditionally associated with the number, no one's bothered to change it.
Habsburgs: We’re the kings of incest.
*Ptolemaic Dynasty incestifies*
Basically Cleopatra might as well have been green with the amount of incest going on. Got it.
Can you do the Bohemian/Czech monarch family tree next!
Showing this to all idiots who are mad for Cleopatra being played by Gal Gadot in her new film, because apparently, Cleopatra had African/asian blood
The fact we got Cleopatra out of this is amazing.
I know guys you have spent ages making this chart. But there is so much insest I can't understand it.
Can we have a Inca emperors family tree and who would be inca emperor today please?
Cleopatra had two more sons with Mark Anthony but they probably had the same end as their eldest brother Cesarion soon after arriving in Rome 🤷🏻♀️😢
Los mellizos, que tenían 10 años cuando falleció su madre, y Ptolomeo, que tenía seis, fueron llevados a Roma y tratados bien en la casa de la viuda de Marco Antonio, Octavia, donde fueron educados.
De adulta, Cleopatra Selene se casó con Juba, un rey menor, y fue enviada a gobernar Mauritania a su lado. Tuvieron un hijo -otro Ptolomeo-, el único nieto conocido de Cleopatra.
Murió de adulto por orden de su primo, Calígula, por lo que ninguno de los descendientes de Cleopatra vivió para heredar Egipto.
I'm pretty sure Lysimachus was in Thrace
This chart totally misses Cleopatra VI and goes from C5 to C7. I believe this is because Cleopatra Selene is usually numbered C5 and Cleopatra Tryphena, wife of P12, is usually numbered C6.
More tangled than my earphones
can you do Lithuanian Gediminaitis tree?
One of these, please: Qin dynasty, Han dynasty, Goguryeo Kingdom.
Wouldn't mind seeing this continued with Cleopatra's daughter's decedents.
Ptolemaic Dynasty of Egypt: Exists Habsburgs: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle shall be LEGENDARY!!!!!
When your family tree is a circle
Please could you do the Merovingian dynasty? :)
Honestly any of the Persian dynasties would be cool to see. Either the Seleucids as another diadochus house, or the original Achaemenids.
I did the Achaemenids on Ollie Bye's channel: th-cam.com/video/cv7irr-mI-M/w-d-xo.html
The narrator sounds exhausted by all the incest.
Their Family tree is so complex that Ptolemy I Soter could trace his ancestry to Cleopatra VII if he tried hard enough. 😢
Wow! Only one vid on this topic?
I miss the old voice of UsefulCharts....
This is a different man narrating the video. This is Jack Rackam narrating the Ptolemaic Dynasty’s family tree.
@@BatkhuuChuluun yeah no shit, that’s why I made my comment....