FINALLY! Activision Addresses "SBMM" & How Matchmaking Works (The News Isn't Good..)

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  • @NerosCinema
    @NerosCinema  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    HELLO NOTIFICATION SQUAD! This video took a bit to put together, apologies for the later upload. Hope you all enjoy

    • @ALIENGTP
      @ALIENGTP 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ask them about there ANTI CHEAT A.I. PROGRAM

    • @jordanwoolley3475
      @jordanwoolley3475 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Doesn't it work the other way around too tho. If your a good player average going up against good players always sweating you just get sick of it and stop playing. 😅so people still just end up leaving anyway haha

    • @deadsilence5584
      @deadsilence5584 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Facts

  • @MemelordJord
    @MemelordJord 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +346

    They acknowledged the bare minimum and avoided everything controversial (the patents)

    • @OSTATEboi419
      @OSTATEboi419 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      I mean, did people really expect more from Activision? At this point, anybody that expects them to do the right thing by the player base is being naive.

    • @MemelordJord
      @MemelordJord 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@OSTATEboi419 I didn’t know what to expect but at the same time this was what I expected

    • @alexlabs4858
      @alexlabs4858 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      They didn’t avoid it they just denied it even though we know that it’s a total and blatant lie

    • @ghost-1413
      @ghost-1413 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Lol it's total bullshit I literally play with the same random players every couple days playing solo tdm matches

    • @MemelordJord
      @MemelordJord 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ghost-1413 that happened to me a lot and i always forget to bring it up

  • @CoffeeSA96
    @CoffeeSA96 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +533

    Activision telling us SBMM exists but not giving a solution is like a doctor telling a patient he has an infection but refuses to prescribe medication

    • @juniorgreed1
      @juniorgreed1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Pretty much yeah

    • @Itz_OptimalAxe702
      @Itz_OptimalAxe702 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I’m Still Playing Black Ops 4 😂🤣

    • @subzero7475
      @subzero7475 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      As a doctor: the worst part of this analogy is that the cure to the problem is so effective and simple to come by 😢

    • @Thefess
      @Thefess 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      They're not giving a solution because they don't see it as a problem. We do, buy they don't care

    • @DissTrackTed
      @DissTrackTed 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@subzero7475What kind of doctor is watching Neros Cinema Videos? 😕

  • @Star-kp8oc
    @Star-kp8oc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    its time for xdefiant and new games to shine now.

    • @jonahb0i957
      @jonahb0i957 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Everygame in pvp will be like this until new game laws are made just like with lootboxes

  • @speedietruck4861
    @speedietruck4861 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

    I think it’s time for us players who have been with the franchise for a long time to depart. They’re basically saying that they will push us away if it means retaining players that buy tons of bundles.

    • @pruett124245
      @pruett124245 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Even if all the ogs leave the sweats and speakers will just replace the ogs. Cod is equivalent to nicotine and everyone who plays cod will be addicted till the end.

    • @SkateClipsAndTips
      @SkateClipsAndTips 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      I quit after Cold War, don't miss it at all, feel healthier

    • @speedietruck4861
      @speedietruck4861 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@pruett124245 thats basically the point, I don’t care about this franchise anymore because they basically said that us people that don’t like sbmm are a small enough minority that they are okay losing. People that continue to play cod and buy bundles are the people who are really losing in this situation because the games have no soul or any reason to even play them to begin with. For most OG players this should be the end, I didn’t buy this years cod and I’m not buying anymore cods

    • @trevoravery9270
      @trevoravery9270 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      "We" already did that TEN years ago.

    • @StayInContrl
      @StayInContrl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I literally do not touch the game under any circumstances

  • @h73x95
    @h73x95 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Realizing the game gives you easier lobbies when you aren’t doing well is one of the worst feelings in online gaming.

    • @adamolig3865
      @adamolig3865 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I've stopped playing Warzone for that reason, after a while I realized the only reason I ever got any wins is because they gave me an easy lobby now and then out of pity, or charity.
      Then I tried to get better, and your matches get ever harder and you end up winning EVEN LESS THAN YOU DID BEFORE. That's the reward for getting better in this franchise. F-ed up stuff right there.

    • @jamesdoakes4956
      @jamesdoakes4956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah it’s not as bad as giving you sweat lobbies when you’re starting to get better. Knowing as the match is about to end and you did really well, that your next match is gonna be with league level sweats is trash. It makes me wanna not do good

  • @Eric-Airikr
    @Eric-Airikr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

    Literally only three of these tenants are ABSOLUTELY essential. The rest shouldn't even be a factor into public matchmaking.

    • @raidengoodman8754
      @raidengoodman8754 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Connection, input device, and time to match?

    • @Eric-Airikr
      @Eric-Airikr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@raidengoodman8754 Pretty much.

  • @Juice_VI
    @Juice_VI 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Make a “Training Wheels” playlist with this SBMM in effect. Then make a casual playlist with it turned off. Let players choose.

    • @clintcava1344
      @clintcava1344 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe turn it off or tone it down once the player has reached a certain skill level or rank.

    • @justinhall430
      @justinhall430 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They had that in bo1 i think it was. You could play in that playlist until you were level 25 or something. But i agree make an experimental playlist with 0 sbmm and then see how many people play that playlist. Im confident the numbers will speak for itself

  • @Dave-ml4ws
    @Dave-ml4ws 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    As someone that isn't lower skilled, I found myself leaving games all the time. I actually stopped the game completely.

    • @nohoemode155
      @nohoemode155 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      yep pretty much. Isn't it funny? They have a system to prevent people from leaving games only to make people leave games.

    • @obsequey96
      @obsequey96 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Same, teammates are trash, and always the enemies are the absolute cod league sweatfests that hold hands and preaim

    • @hugebeefstick1195
      @hugebeefstick1195 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I haven't played MP in over 2 months because of the constant sweaty lobbies and quit warzone a couple weeks ago for the same reason. I lost 8 straight MP games in a row, finishing in the top 3 for my team every game and that was it for me. I don't have the time (kids, work) or the patience to play a game that punishes you for being good. MAKE COD CASUAL AGAIN!

    • @Simbobwayson
      @Simbobwayson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hugebeefstick1195ngl I felt the pain in this comment. Literally preaching what has been going on in my head the past two months.

    • @Jules279
      @Jules279 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@obsequey96Fr, all these kids just lock on instantly thanks to their modded controller.

  • @enlightenedone8353
    @enlightenedone8353 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    "everyone will have an effect in the lobby" is the nicest way of saying you'll have a 1kd for the whole games life cycle

    • @retrocd8976
      @retrocd8976 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They actually admitted to rigging the lobbies and outcomes. No point playing this franchise, they trying to speed run it into the ground

  • @Rumpled4skin916
    @Rumpled4skin916 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +238

    Activision: We are going to be transparent about SBMM and be more involved with our communication about it with the community.
    COD community: so are you going to change it?
    Activision: Change what?

    • @ALIENGTP
      @ALIENGTP 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I love this thats a dam good one.. change what..hahaha😂

    • @dalberttran8134
      @dalberttran8134 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Activision is only good at 2 things being greedy and abusing/groping women in their workplaces

    • @Nine9005
      @Nine9005 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂😂 good one

  • @user-kt4km9df3f
    @user-kt4km9df3f 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Good ol' NOTHING burger. The explanation was nothing more than a bunch of words, that I'm sure an AI wrote -- and was big middle finger to the community.

  • @Swagceus
    @Swagceus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    They say SBMM is crucial in player retention yet refuse to share any data regarding their 'tests'. What's even more insulting is the lack of them sharing player counts. These past 3 years CoD has sold less than the previous installments and for that reason alone player counts were hidden as showing a declining player count could further exacerbate the decline. What's more is that there's a discrepancy between the number of copies sold and people playing it which screams bullshit whenever Activision says their newest CoD game was successful despite having a low player count.

    • @alexlabs4858
      @alexlabs4858 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The data is an extremely outdated research paper. A single research paper. They have zero ability to comprehend that people’s interests change over 20 years.

    • @brooklyngemini3410
      @brooklyngemini3410 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ACTIVISION lied..... Who expected anything different?

    • @Swagceus
      @Swagceus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brooklyngemini3410 I certainly didn't. Nearly 3 months of waiting and this is what we get.

    • @Jules279
      @Jules279 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They even said that this shit sold more than Mw2019😂.

  • @line_em_uupyt4993
    @line_em_uupyt4993 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    What kills me is they sacrifice the die hard fans experience to improve the experience of ppl who obviously don’t really play or care about the game…

    • @rubydeathuwu
      @rubydeathuwu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Most the player bases are people with 9-5 jobs and not content creators fused to the gaming chairs lol

    • @line_em_uupyt4993
      @line_em_uupyt4993 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@rubydeathuwu that’s fine, i’m a Union steelworker n spend 70-80 hours a week in a blast furnace but im also a cod vet who’s been playing since the beginning so only takes a few games to be playing at an elite level, don’t have to be glued to a chair

    • @swiftblaqness
      @swiftblaqness 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah like if you try a new game and get frustrated you aren't instantly good. The game may not be for you, I remember when I was younger every game I tried almost I sucked at in the beginning. All my friends were always better, so I literally had to go home after school and play for a couple hours a day to get my skills up. If you weren't willing to do this then you don't really care about the game. The fact that they seem to be willing to sacrifice the people that really do care clearly because they are very good at the game and it took time to get to that point, in favor of the people who just hopped on and clearly haven't put in the work is just ridiculous

  • @JBadge
    @JBadge 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Blame truth is about to have a field day with this😂

    • @Voidableflame
      @Voidableflame 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I am getting the popcorn ready for that video

    • @popgotcha7289
      @popgotcha7289 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      His video is up and it’s a thing of beauty

  • @alexbeckman6850
    @alexbeckman6850 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I thought it was a very complex topic?? This is like a five minute PowerPoint slide 😂😂

    • @alexlabs4858
      @alexlabs4858 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      A five minute power point FULL OF LIES

  • @richardsmith1241
    @richardsmith1241 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    They haven't addressed the fact that they nerf you halfway through a match when you do good at the start... Very noticeable in shipment and other small maps

    • @ChavngRynsPvts
      @ChavngRynsPvts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I can confirm. Definitely had some shipment games I pop off at the start just get my KD nerfed half through so that I go positive by 2 kills. Such trash.

    • @ShazzledWolf32
      @ShazzledWolf32 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can also confirm it’s even in the hardcore game modes I play search and I hitmarkered a headshot and the guy I shot ended up killing me

    • @ryanlindback9393
      @ryanlindback9393 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They have players you’ve killed spawn behind you so they can get kills. It’s ridiculous dude the game is horrible and they refuse to listen to feedback

    • @ChavngRynsPvts
      @ChavngRynsPvts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ryanlindback9393 that shit pisses me off the most. How am I supposed to complete camo missions if the person I killed spawns behind me every fkn time. It's such bs.

  • @GTP786
    @GTP786 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +174

    It really is amazing how a multi billion dollar company is so poorly managed and incompetent.

    • @DainRiffgin89
      @DainRiffgin89 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      It seems to be going around these days. Disney is a prime example.

    • @justynh5447
      @justynh5447 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      A lot of companies are like this nowadays. As long as they make a profit they dont care and people keep falling for the same honey trap every time

    • @Juice_VI
      @Juice_VI 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wait. Are they really poorly managed and incompetent if they are a multi billion dollar company?? 😂

    • @gopnik690
      @gopnik690 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Juice_VI a company can be competent in one aspect while suck in another. Would you trust if Goldman sachs or Deutsch bank to make a game? Activision is good at making and milking money. Kind of envious of them not gonna lie

    • @GTP786
      @GTP786 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Juice_VIJust because they are now doesn't mean they are headed in the right direction.

  • @kevinchadwick9108
    @kevinchadwick9108 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    It’s not just the sweaty lobbies that I dislike about sbmm it’s also the lack of achievement I get knowing this system exists. Say for example I do very well in a match. If I did terribly in the game beforehand I know I haven’t actually improved I just know it’s the matchmaking throwing me a bone and putting me into an easier lobby to keep my attention but it’s actually doing the opposite. Where’s the satisfaction in that?

  • @bryandedon7459
    @bryandedon7459 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is that whole equity mindset. And the sad thing is it's effecting the real world. Schools have gotten rid of honors classes so the students that don't make it don't feel bad. They're screwing over the students that worked harder just bc of the feelings of the ones who don't care. This is basically that. Everybody has to be the same and have the same outcome so we have to help the people that aren't as good. Instead of making them work for it and earn something, they just alter the backend and nudge them along and make it seem like they are better than they actually are. Now these bad players have no clue they actually aren't good bc they only ever play the people that are just as bad as they are. Everybody gets a trophy and a safe space.

    • @philipmarkovic544
      @philipmarkovic544 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very good comment, typically seen in modern culturs as well, male and female are the same...equal rights for everybody, I cannot hear it anymore, they are shoving it down our throats since the pandemic and now the gaming world as well. Its funny that they dont straight forward say: We want to make everybody look alikes bc we dont want to lose bad players and so player retention. Image being so stupid to force equality in a world that is filled with diversity, we as human beings we are all unique and we all have something special that set us apart from others, but no ppl still continuing to change nature, its ridiculous at this point. Its also the reason why we have so many weak ppl with a limited mindset on this planet that dont get along with their lives bc everything is being pushed into their asses, there is nothing that they have to do by themselves or work hard to achieve it. Ofc not everywhere but its covering more areas of a daily live than ever

  • @BeastMastery
    @BeastMastery 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I love SBMM so much so i stopped playing, because i ALWAYS get sent into 90+ ping servers to match my SBMM. No thank's!

    • @theitechlab
      @theitechlab 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But Activision says it helps the players have more fun and enjoy more variety in matches! It must be true. Right? RIGHT?

    • @alexlabs4858
      @alexlabs4858 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But the multibillion dollar corporation says connection strength is the number one priority! They wouldn’t lie….. would they!???

    • @BeastMastery
      @BeastMastery 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@alexlabs4858 Haha lie? Never....

  • @jaywerner8415
    @jaywerner8415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    As a man in a Checkered Suit once said "The Truth is, the game was rigged from the start."

    • @NerosCinema
      @NerosCinema  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Don't you come in here trying to quote Fallout to me, I'll slip right off my chair

  • @MemelordJord
    @MemelordJord 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    So if someone has a good game and gets off because they don’t want to get fucked by sbmm the next game, does that data suggest that looser sbmm is bad for player retention? And people getting frustrating matches where there just trying to get one more win or one more good match before getting off, do they interpret that data as being good for the player base because the retention is longer?

    • @NerosCinema
      @NerosCinema  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      I was thinking the same thing! I leave matches I can’t win due to bad teammates all the time

    • @johny5336
      @johny5336 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly this!

    • @valakivalakifalvai137
      @valakivalakifalvai137 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Data can be interpreted as you want, it's just data, you can say because 10% of people suffer from hemorrhoids that means 90% of people enjoy hemorrhoids

    • @adamolig3865
      @adamolig3865 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You got it. There's a study of an unnamed EA game that shows that if you get W-W-W, you're more likely to leave for the night. Why, you're happy with your experience, and you call it a night. If you L-L-L, you quit because it's too hard, and you're unsatisfied. If you W-L-W, or L-W-W, or L-W-L, meaning anything in the middle, players stay on longer. Those players are just confused, or frustrated, or maybe feel OK with the competition level, and stay. This game is out to keep you in the middle always. Not satisfied, but not unsatisfied.
      Even with potato chips, they purposely make them just good enough to not be too tasty that you're satisfied and get your fill and stop. They want you wanting a little more to keep eating, then you run out more often and have to buy more.
      Companies give you a blah experience on purpose these days, just craziness.

  • @SVNMOREDAYS
    @SVNMOREDAYS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    Nero, you weren’t wrong. You called them out and they spent the next 42 hours creating a general response with the 70% of a team they have left after layoffs lol. Keep making content man, it’s getting seen!

    • @NerosCinema
      @NerosCinema  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Haha I appreciate it man, the timing is pretty funny but I really don’t think I had any influence in it

    • @chodagreat7876
      @chodagreat7876 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      All credits should go to "Blame Truth The Codfather" "Fooly" and others who talk about SBMM and other scams every single day.

    • @beefynfn
      @beefynfn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@chodagreat7876yeah tbh I think BT and his bot conspiracy is what led them to talk about it in the first place

    • @nofbi8582
      @nofbi8582 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is all from patent/US20200114268A1 last re-application/updated in 2019 when the IW9 engine was made for MWR.
      Pay money = timmy lobbies;
      "For example, in one implementation, the system may include a microtransaction engine that arranges matches to influence game-related purchases. For instance, the microtransaction engine may match a more expert/marquee player with a junior player"
      Pay money = "bot" lobbies;
      "The matchmaking system and method may be leveraged in various contexts as well, such as to influence game-related purchases, recommend a composition of groups of players, train or identify non-player characters (NPCs) that should be used, and/or other contexts."
      "For example, in a game in which the system has determined that five snipers and five run-and-gunners represent an optimal mix of player roles, the system may select NPCs to fill gaps such that the desired combination of five snipers and five run-and-gunners is achieved to the extent possible (because potential matches having this ratio will have higher match scores)."
      ping is not king;
      "A game designer or others may assign a default value to one or more coefficients. For example, a match variable related to a composition of a team may, by default, be more important than a match variable related to latency and may therefore be weighted more heavily when generating a match score."

  • @kareem06777
    @kareem06777 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I’m not even “high skilled” my KD is 1.1 and I feel like I still get dunked on more than 50% of the time.

    • @alexlabs4858
      @alexlabs4858 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      These idiots think giving everyone a 1.0 KD and 0.50W/L gives everyone “variety.” What a bunch of out of touch idiots.

    • @sortofanoakyafterbirth3661
      @sortofanoakyafterbirth3661 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What a coinkydink...I too have a 1.1 and get destroyed most lobbies. Or rather, go about 20-18 every game at best...

    • @ryanlindback9393
      @ryanlindback9393 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It makes it so you always even out you can never do great.

  • @pplobsrvr
    @pplobsrvr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Nero I've been watching your videos for years, 7+, I am here to tell you that THIS is the greatest video you have EVER made. Addressing SBMM FINALLY and with the key point about matchmaking speed in older cods to current cods was an 1,000IQ touch tot he video. There HAS TO BE a boycott against cod to remove SBMM, it's the only way.

    • @johny5336
      @johny5336 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Totally agree, very important video for all players.

  • @rehamkok
    @rehamkok 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    They taking lessons from the white house press secretary. What a gas light!

  • @DissTrackTed
    @DissTrackTed 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Activision:
    "Listen to me. No matter what they ask you, no matter how hard they push, deny, deny, deny; even if they figure it out, never ever admit to anything. Deny, deny, deny. Got it?"
    -Rodrick Heffley,
    Diary Of A Wimpy Kid.

  • @TimmyTues
    @TimmyTues 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Which leaves only higher skill players...The current SBMM leaves me with ONLY higher skill players. That does not make the eco system worse for me, it makes it the same. Nothing changes if all the bad players quit the game for me personally. All of my lobbies will look identical.
    Bad sell.

  • @xJDMWaRRi0Rx
    @xJDMWaRRi0Rx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Also this is just a never ending cycle man. If they continue sbmm, we’re gonna have worse and worse players gaining a voice over time that actually advocate for more sbmm

  • @apless13
    @apless13 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the update man. Other people may put out the same update video but I choose to watch yours as many of us. True OG

  • @scovafd
    @scovafd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think these game devs and publishers have forgotten the all mighty hail Mary to gaming. PLAYERS WILL NOT LEAVE YOUR GAME IF THE GAME IS GOOD, EVEN IF THEYRE BAD! If games were as good as they used to be, and launched fully finished, then nobody would quit for being bad.

  • @keefrichards502
    @keefrichards502 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I was so bad when i first started. I remember going like 2-27 in a OG mw3 seatown tdm and I was excited because that was one more kill than the last time. And the first time i got a kill streak. And my first big kill streak. My first gold gun.

    • @retrocd8976
      @retrocd8976 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same thing for me. I remember my brother teaching me how to quick scope on mw2 (2009) split screen private match. I wasn't able to and had to run up to him and hip fire with the Barrett lmao. But I kept trying to use the snipers and eventually was able to get like 3-4 quick scopes in a match and then 6-7 after more days of practice.
      By the end of mw2 (2009) I was better than him and one of the better snipers in my online friends group also for sniper lobbies and rust 1v1.
      Thankfully I stopped playing cod after bo3 so I didn't have to deal with these rigged lobbies and bs sbmm/eomm of these modern CoDs.

  • @mikewhite9020
    @mikewhite9020 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The disaster at the end of the spiral they described would happen if bad players quit of good players only playing against other good players is exactly what we have now!

  • @Lurrkiing
    @Lurrkiing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Nero is slowly figuring out that todays kids do not understand the value of working and bettering yourself
    at anything

    • @ChavngRynsPvts
      @ChavngRynsPvts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And what it means to loose.

    • @xCynFR
      @xCynFR 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ChavngRynsPvtssorry to be that guy but loose man forreal?

    • @retrocd8976
      @retrocd8976 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You need to be tight for daddy Activision so they can enjoy stretching you a new one 🤣

    • @ChavngRynsPvts
      @ChavngRynsPvts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@xCynFR lmfaooo that's a funny spelling mistake. I mean, loose or lose, you're still getting fkd by Acti. 😂😂😂

    • @xCynFR
      @xCynFR 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ChavngRynsPvts forreal man acti will tear u a new one for no reason

  • @d9a9n
    @d9a9n 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I fell in love with cod in exactly the same way. Getting beaten by better players wanted me to play more to get better, so one day, I could be as good as the players slapping me all over the map.

  • @tyrickerson3863
    @tyrickerson3863 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The funny part is that you can literally look up the patents they have period the patents show that there is skill based hit registration, there is skill based parameters that will make the game harder for you if you are getting a high score period it's literally in the patents period I've read well over 40 plus of Activision's patterns from start to finish period the fact that they're actually trying to come out and lie to our faces is amazing

  • @swissshstyle
    @swissshstyle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    GUYS REMEMBER…..Any cod BEFORE MW19 does NOT have strict SBMM :)

    • @Nytaxia
      @Nytaxia 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Apart from Advanced Warfare, BO2 had it at launch but eventually removed

    • @3_3kswa
      @3_3kswa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      False

    • @Lurrkiing
      @Lurrkiing 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      AW did. It was poorly done and you could just tank an account for a few thousand kills and have literal bot lobbies.

    • @gratedradish6699
      @gratedradish6699 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The way SBMM was handled can be divded into three eras
      OG era (miniscule SBMM) - MW up to MW3
      Mid SBMM Era (Low but noticeable SBMM) - BO2 up to BO4
      New SBMM Era (Participation Trophy SBMM) - MW2019 till now
      I say this from experience. I remember MW3 being the last game I dominated in, I could go in, win every team game, win every 1v1, lose maybe 5% of games. Then after BO2, it started punishing me for doing good.

    • @tasha4400
      @tasha4400 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mw2019’s matchmaking wasn’t even like mw22/mw23. It definitely wasn’t as strict

  • @jaylenjames364
    @jaylenjames364 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    BO2 had weaker SBMM, but more people playing. Their data is wrong.

  • @biotechgaming3422
    @biotechgaming3422 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The guitar analogy is so freakin perfect for the situation 😭👍🏽.

  • @mrriaan3818
    @mrriaan3818 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    BS, I get around 28 ping to the closest server to me, but I get connected to servers that are way further away probably 80% of the time. Most the time it's 80+ ping

    • @GTP786
      @GTP786 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have the same experience.

  • @steerj07
    @steerj07 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    An interstellar MCW is by far the most common gun in MW3. Never before have I seen so many 'master' camos. Means nothing now

  • @gabriel_alonso_
    @gabriel_alonso_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man... that video of you finding matches on other older CODs faster than MW2 is the perfect example of SBMM being broken. Great content.

  • @denverbax6329
    @denverbax6329 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10:01 I experienced the same exact thing back with BO and BOII. I was happy whenever I could get a low killstreak, gradually improving over time making the moments you got your first big streaks very memorable.

  • @WildGalago
    @WildGalago 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Remember guys, its okay not to use meta guns every game and try your own loadouts every now and then!

    • @justynh5447
      @justynh5447 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thats great and all but im a sweat and whenever i go for camos etc everyone is still sweating just the same.

    • @ijiikieru
      @ijiikieru 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Actually wait, this might be a way to fix the match making. Make it so that people that use meta classes have a higher chance of matching together, this way the try hard sweats still play together and the people that are just good but don't use meta classes are not put in those lobbies.

    • @obsequey96
      @obsequey96 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      But but but my favourite cod youtube said this was the best cod loadout

    • @Craszit
      @Craszit 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@ijiikierudon't use them too often and always play to win in objective gamemodes. I have a k/d of 1.5 and a w/l of 7.5 and 9 of 10 games feel chilled.
      Most sweats only go for k/d and don't care about winning.

    • @sortofanoakyafterbirth3661
      @sortofanoakyafterbirth3661 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@obsequey96Hey what's up guysss my name is Ace 🌈💅

  • @wolvesrevenge866
    @wolvesrevenge866 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Activision admitted that they are struggling with player numbers as to why they keep sbmm 😂💀

  • @donniedarko5899
    @donniedarko5899 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nero is speaking for all the CoD OGs. Keep up the good work 😎

  • @GingerMacLeod
    @GingerMacLeod 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the video! I’d like to hear Activision talk about how SBMM works with parties of mixed skill players

  • @xJDMWaRRi0Rx
    @xJDMWaRRi0Rx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Skill base aim assist is 100% real along with your guns not being as strong if you already got a win. Me and my brother don’t even play warzone for fun anymore. We just get on to try out our random sbmm theories.

  • @connormurphy8952
    @connormurphy8952 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Good thing i stopped buying call of duty. It has been a fun 18 years but this franchise just buries itself further and further.

  • @basher50
    @basher50 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Even worse for me is the occasions when I start a match like a daemon, I could throw rocks and get a kill. Suddenly then the game decides I am going to be on the losing side and I can't even get hit markers.

  • @travgav
    @travgav 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the last play for free weekend didn't have SnD on their playlists and that was the best SND connection and experience i have had in a very long time!

  • @7z967
    @7z967 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love your videos bro. Keep it up

  • @CryptoFendi
    @CryptoFendi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for this info final nail in the coffin for me moving off from cod. Thanks everything nero

  • @THE-RIGJUICE
    @THE-RIGJUICE 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The problem with the whole “when players do bad, then quit” argument is that with sbmm, I’ll get stomped the first 5 or so games I play before I get into a lower tier and have 1 “good” game before it throws me right back into the higher tier of sbmm. Wash, rinse, repeat.
    I stopped playing CoD all together because I usually on have an hour to play every so often, and it sucks to get shit on for the first 45 minutes of that hour. Then get “rewarded” for my suffering by having 1 game against okay opponents.
    With older CoDs, it was more unpredictable. Sometimes you get in a lobby with some good players and you used to be able to stick around and learn from them, game after game, IF YOU WANTED TO. You could always leave and find another lobby with lower skilled players to relax. Now youre trapped in the higher skilled lobbies until you pay your dues and get bumped down to lower tier for a match.
    I know im not the best CoD player out there, not even close. Im just an average dude tryna chill and pass some time but thats not possible in CoD anymore (and they even managed to ruin zombies too)

  • @ethanp1348
    @ethanp1348 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Have you considered removing SBMM from specific gamemodes?" Hmm, what an interesting idea! How would we divide those gamemodes? Maybe, and hear me out here, we make a playlist called "Ranked", and those modes have SBMM, and the general gamemodes don't have SBMM. Wow, what an original idea Activision.

  • @KinGxSTuDx
    @KinGxSTuDx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Advanced Warfare was the start of SBMM being cranked up. That game was borderline unplayable if your friend who had like a 2 or 3 KD & hosted. I always had my lower skilled friends host & the game was a lot easier.

    • @pavmx703
      @pavmx703 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This was the first one I played when I was like 'whoah, this is sweaty". BO2 definitely seemed sweatier and BO3 felt even more sweaty than BO2. But AW was insanely sweaty. It was so sweaty that BO3 was the last COD I played until 2019.

    • @AYAKXSHI
      @AYAKXSHI 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it was the advanced movement that really expressed how crazy the sbmm was cranked up to 11

    • @pavmx703
      @pavmx703 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AYAKXSHI For sure. I could tell immediately that something was up when I first played BO3. Not only were the opponents I faced using the movement like they'd been doing it for years, I could tell everyone seemed to have WAY better aim in my lobbies than they did in the older ones. It still wasn't crazy sweaty like it is now, but I could DEFINITELY tell something was up.

  • @danodudeX
    @danodudeX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    They’re so good at blatantly lying it’s actually commendable. Really committing 😂

  • @itsRedBeard47
    @itsRedBeard47 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been waiting years for this video

  • @Ice43Man
    @Ice43Man 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They are so unbelievably detached from what their core player base wants, it’s genuinely insulting. The only thing this blog post did was insure (for me at least) that I won’t be buying a new CoD anytime soon

  • @jamesdugandjn5973
    @jamesdugandjn5973 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I remember first playing MW3 back in 2011. Got trashed in every match…maybe a few good games. Kept going at it until I got better and learned how to mimic other players play styles and learned the movement of the maps. Few months, I was an Ace at it

    • @gratedradish6699
      @gratedradish6699 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      MW3 was the last game before the mid tier sbmm era (BO2 and beyond), and it was also my favorite game of any cod.

  • @xbreachedthetosx7591
    @xbreachedthetosx7591 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    We dealt with bad kids leaving matches and quitting CoD for over a decade… the ecosystem was fine… hell, less players to consider in this unnecessarily complicated SBMM means shit goes faster, now slower. 🤣

  • @Doombot2point0
    @Doombot2point0 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the CoD4 SnD footage. Best CoD ever. Bring CoD back to its roots! I love how simple OG MW was. 3 killstreaks that everyone shared, simple create a class etc. Chef's kiss

  • @phxntomplanet
    @phxntomplanet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They straight up lied about or lied by omission in most of the people. A lot of this has been proven wrong by their own devs, testing, or them straight up contradicting what they’re saying vs what they actually do. Says that bad maps make players back out but then remove map voting? And more people back out in game than ever before in these sweat lobbies

  • @justynh5447
    @justynh5447 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It felt great going from a negative kd to a 2.0 etc but now its just not fun anymore. If they want to do sbmm why not just have generalized skill brackets instead so its not a total sweat fest at all times for some players

  • @shamr0ck73
    @shamr0ck73 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    it 2023 everyone needs a participation trophy you dont want to hurt someones feelings

    • @NerosCinema
      @NerosCinema  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Dude I hated that stuff back in little league baseball and I hate it now as an adult

  • @inadaze813
    @inadaze813 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    all I know is it all changed with mw2019 and then with cold war I literally felt in game nerfing, like the game was playing and that was the end for me. it ruins playing with friends and makes a bad experience. thank you for everything you do nero

  • @silentgamer2074
    @silentgamer2074 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Curious if all the settings that you have applied on your activision account has any effects on the game? Such as headset plugged in or out, controller layout, etc. Those kinda things.

    • @jaweel6205
      @jaweel6205 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m sure. I have both mastery camos and ever since I got them, my SBMM never yo-yo’s. Essentially meaning now I don’t even get slightly easier lobbies after a losing streak. Pretty much every match ever I get shit on nonstop, I’m never allowed to play anyone worse than me

  • @numb1gxfan
    @numb1gxfan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Part of the fun was improving yourself. I had a 2.0kd back in Black ops 1, I played nothing else. I got invited tons of times to MLG teams. I managed to beat some of the best players. But I was a 0.80 kd to start, I had to practice and earn my high kd. But my multiplayer days are over, i'm perfectly fine being slightly above average now. I just don't care to compete anymore. Shame we will probably never see multiplayer go back to the good times.

    • @jaweel6205
      @jaweel6205 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The cdl pros only had like 1.7-1.9 KDs on Cold War, that’s how bad SBMM is

  • @crandy753
    @crandy753 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well this is a step but until disbanding lobbies are completely gone it doesn’t matter

  • @JimmyBlastBeatz
    @JimmyBlastBeatz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    SBMM ramps up big time when I activate tokens for double xp. Like crazy sweat lord mode. Hate it.

  • @eliyahyisrael4189
    @eliyahyisrael4189 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what you have checked in the filter matters heavily also...i only have hc dom checked in mines...the wait dont be long at all...and im still on ps4.

  • @xXhikashiXx
    @xXhikashiXx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This means nothing tbh its just the same thing they have said for the past few years its a load of garbage you still get worse connections over 100 ms for ping for being a good player

    • @NerosCinema
      @NerosCinema  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I lost it when they said “Time to Match” was the second highest on their priority list behind connection 😂

  • @offthecookies
    @offthecookies 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why the hell have ranked play, and then match people by rank in unranked play

  • @vadjkole7108
    @vadjkole7108 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nero, key thing to remember they are saying hit reg, damage etc is not effected by SBMM but they aren’t referring to or addressing, EOMM which is by far the dirtier system.

  • @Snipermonkey596
    @Snipermonkey596 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if they’ve ever thought about giving the player the choice for SBMM. Like if it was a toggle in the settings that could be enabled or disabled but it was enabled by default for the new and lesser skilled players. I’m not sure how technically difficult this would be, but practically it would seem to solve the issue and allow the players to decide if SBMM works better for them or not

  • @ALIENGTP
    @ALIENGTP 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What there not telling you is if your flagged as a cheater places you in lobby with other cheaters. Even if your not cheating . Also if some reports you only because you were on top in that match you will notice whats known as a throttle lobby were your player is very slow your gun bullets make a strange noise when you shot another player and has little to no effect on damage it may slow down gun reload times and weapons etc. This is random and happens when the A.I. thinks your cheating. Is caused by there program. Its called your punishment for playing.. also if playing with a friend that has been reported for cheating it will cause this every match.till that friend is out of your party.hope this helps..

  • @acidspaz4252
    @acidspaz4252 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    They didn't address sht

  • @xJankky
    @xJankky 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    COD 4 was my first military shooter, I had a sub 1 kd but was hooked on the game. By the end of it I was a try hard on gamebattles with a kd above a 1.5 on the same account with 30+ days played. The good old days lol.

  • @Bnt91308
    @Bnt91308 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s pretty easy to tell when sbmm is t being used, older games seem like they have it way turned down, I could tell when it wasn’t on during mw3 like when they did the free weekend, but that was just to trap people.

  • @CogSx
    @CogSx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Let's gooooo! A Nero video!

  • @Nipp1ezMah0ney
    @Nipp1ezMah0ney 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yeah… They talked about it and told us nothing we didn’t already know and just fed us BS. Activision is a joke lmao

  • @mellogrx7593
    @mellogrx7593 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeaaaaaaaaah, my choice to leave was right. Thank you for the video as always my friend. I just hope Trearch does something. I miss Von

  • @pspppe
    @pspppe 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think I know what algorithm they use for determining skill. I think they use an algorithm called multi-variate linear regression to create a linear equation such as p=a1×x1+a2×x2+... Where they determine the 'a' values using data from all players.
    Here the 'a' values are weights with values between 0 to 1 which determine how important 'x' values factor into skill. The 'x' values are the different factors such as number of kills, wins losses, accuracy, and so on. Once this equation is created, a players skill 'p' is calculated by simply adding and multiplying the 'a' and 'x' values. The match maker then puts players with closer 'p' values in the same match. If we want real transparency, then we want to know what those 'a' weights are, and what are ALL the 'x' factors.

  • @SoSpiteful
    @SoSpiteful 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This tops it off for me. I’m tired of this game feeling like a chore. I’ve lost count of how many times where I would have been better off playing the enemy team on my own. So if they try to balance out teams why would they give me such poor team mates that literally run into walls, go 3-29 and have no game sense whenever I’m the ONLY above average player playing against Gfuel scump wannabe’s. Short version- THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT!

  • @Jusmaxjomant
    @Jusmaxjomant 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I can get into a BO2 lobby faster than a MW3 lobby. Ping is not king . They mostly lied and half truthed in my opinion.

  • @cr1st1an1000
    @cr1st1an1000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stopped playing multiplayer for a month now due to always getting 30 kills plus and finishing top player but lost match due to my teammates , always getting a sweaty enemies but teammates where lost to even know how uav works 😮

  • @Sclawson07
    @Sclawson07 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sounds like my job. "We appreciate your concern but but we aren't changing things"

  • @free2befree
    @free2befree 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you believe Activision.. ive got some ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell you.

    • @msandonato23
      @msandonato23 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @truetrax2
    @truetrax2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Their data will show everyone is already starting to stop playing GG

    • @adamolig3865
      @adamolig3865 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sadly you can never tell if that's just garbage, buggy programming, because they release every new game, every new season full of bugs

  • @broskyyy12
    @broskyyy12 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    its not SBMM , its EOMM !! engaged optimized match making to just force buy skins

  • @overpoweredcasual2599
    @overpoweredcasual2599 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not to mention they didn't even acknowledge how when I want to play with my friends who are not as good as me they end up not having a good time nowadays. To me a community driven by the community is more fun and impactful than a false system driving the player base

  • @Nytaxia
    @Nytaxia 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Activision: addresses SBMM
    Also Activision: As we've stated all along, having a conversation is fine, but we ain't fixing shit
    Sincerely,
    Activision Enjoyment Provisioning Team

  • @Pop_Shepski
    @Pop_Shepski 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I started CoD4 around 0.81 and ended on a 1.68
    When MW2 came out, I was rockin it with a 2.24
    Since MW2019 they decided I’m a 1.25 and I have been branded as that since

    • @silentgamer2074
      @silentgamer2074 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pssh...rookie numbers. Mines a 1.24

  • @cory1675
    @cory1675 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Connection is number one priority"
    Packet burst has entered the chat.

  • @Yosh4761
    @Yosh4761 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think it would benefit the game and the community for them to remove skill from the equation in a playlist maybe called “camo grinders” or something. Basically for people who just wanna chill and do challenges. I hope they do this in an experimental playlist at some point.

    • @rubydeathuwu
      @rubydeathuwu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In that blog post they said they will try a sbmm off experiment playlist.

    • @johny5336
      @johny5336 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doubt it, lobby's would get overloaded.

  • @UncleGermrod
    @UncleGermrod 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I agree with the idea that getting better and improving should be the point of the game and that we all had to do it to some degree. But the reality of it is that there are so many more casual players out there who would never put the leg work in. No way they do anything to alienate these players and we all still buy and play it. So…this shit ain’t goin no where

    • @limbeboy7
      @limbeboy7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But the new system has made the average COD player leave. So obviously it's not working.
      Have you ever heard anyone pro or casual say they like it?

  • @jestifizzle
    @jestifizzle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So basically COD SBMM is like a socialism matchmaking system where bad players that don't put in the work have equal outcomes to those that are higher skilled and do put in the work...I think I'm going to skip the next 3 CODs lmao

  • @pfmcmanamon
    @pfmcmanamon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @NerosCinema Black Ops 1 was my first only game. I was 24, bought a used Xbox 360 from my friend that was a red ring MS refurb, and bought black ops 1. And boy was I awful. I was putting up roughly a .4 KD and then MW3 came out. Based on my internet the lag compensation made the game virtually unplayable for me so I went back to BO1. I remember my career KD was .63 and I decided I wanted to get it to a 1 before black ops 2. I grinder, tried playing the game differently, found my play style and ended with a 1.14 KD. When I got on BO2 I had surpassed my friends and the first 2 months had an over 3 KD running around hip firing with the laser MP7 (yes I know, the extra cheese pizza weapon). My point is, I’ve been a 1 KD player since 2019 and I don’t know if I’m good or bad anymore. I’ve tried playing with my son, he’s 10, and he hates it because he’s out in lobbies with my skill level players. Not sure where I’m going here but the end result is, I play CoD now because I’ve always enjoyed the FPS and still feel like CoD has the best feel. But I never leave feeling like I accomplished something, or feel that rush I’d get 10 years ago and it’s just a bummer.

  • @DetVillDuVeta
    @DetVillDuVeta 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's basically a coin flip. Whenever I play with randoms, I have the most kills, captures and defends. My teammates have negative stats! Might be one or two teammates every now and then that match my stats. It gets tiresome being number one on my team and carry. It's tiresome have to sweat when the enemy does.