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The wizard explains magic to the robot.
Dont give him that much credit lol
Well said! 🤣
More of a warlock but yes
Awwww, that's a bit harsh! What I love about Lex is his willingness to open his heart and mind in the pursuit of knowledge, love and connection. He's always learning and evolving with great humility and integrity x
So basically, Dr Strange explains extradimensional energy to Vision..
I really like conversations that make my thoughts sprint to keep up. There was so much in this video that could take weeks of lectures to unpack properly. We're lucky that people all over the world can get to listen to proper thinkers. Chilling and consoling in turns.
Like “Spirit is a pattern”…. What an elaborate and clever sounding bunch of boloney. This guy is one of those phonies we as a society will never be able to weed out as the snakeoil salesman he is. He is too clever for the average man. Any criticism of this guy’s discourse, logic or opinions requires such a deep understanding of logic and language that he will more than likely go unchecked indefinitely. Tip of the hat for this guy, really. He found a niche in rightwing speaking circles and the right-wing media ecosystem that he blended in immediately and he will milk it until the end of times, given his language skills and mastery of sophistry.
Wow, that conversation was a lot better than I expected, bravo gentlemen.
This is ancient Greek style thinking, like listening to philosophers in the agora of athens. We must push, stretch, excercise our minds because we are the universe contemplating it's self!
The doctor is still sharp and I love it.
I might not agree with everythng from peterson but I could listen to him for hours on end
There's a great video of him and Camille Paglia having one of these really heavy conversations-you might like it. She's brilliant as well.
He’s right about psychedelics, I was in a really really bad headspace and who I was, was far from who I needed to be and I had an ego death and I just wanna say be careful. I had to fight to live and it put me in a nihilist perspective and now three years later I’m finally starting to feel human again. I had to rebuild from that 5 percent and I almost didn’t. I’m grateful that it showed me how much I needed to grow and change but the pain and struggle was almost too much and i wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
What is ego death?
Might have to watch this a few times to truly understand what he just said
If you ever really find out, would you be so kind and tell me what this convo was all about?
"We can't be expected to understand him. He is so far above us. We are like ropes on the Good Year Blimp."
I know. I''m trying to read The Brothers Karamazov and I need to backtrack to page one. Oh well onwards and upwards.
"In a sense"
-Jordan Peterson, at all times
One is cynical if they worship no person?
That seems a bizarre statement to me.
he describes in this video worship as admiration and feeling the instinct to imitate. and you if you do not admire no one, and no one inspires you to be better, then you kinda are cynical. how can no one arouse respect and admiration? it's only natural to feel that way towards certain people that have certain traits. admirable traits.
dictionary.cambridge: worship - to have or show a strong feeling of respect and admiration for God or a god. if it's for a person, then you can replace the latter with a person. to have or show a strong feeling of respect and admiration for a person
This might be so because within the person who fails to worship is the assumption, I am good enough or no one is better or good enough for me to worship( worship in the context of this conversation talks about admiration and imitation) and anyone who thinks in this manner is nothing but cynical.
@clarksonemmanuel4212 - I learned that having role models is dicey, at best.
I can be a student, but I won't be a cronie.
I'm a peaceful person, and I was willing to war with a "legend."
I clued up to the fact that he had superior skills, yet he was a scumbag at heart.
He would have beat my ass if it would have gone down, BTW.
Even if I gave it my all.
Doesn't change the fact that he had ulterior motives.
I was in my teens when I saw through this 45ish? year old legend of rock climbing.
I only wanted to learn his climbing skills.
Nothing else.
Even his guitar skills and dead eyed smile didn't fool me when I was highly impressionable.
Very profound explanation of who God might be and who we ourselves might be.
God is the Original Consciousness, and all things are of God and God is of everything. Jesus is our example to follow in life!
An indifferent god is worse than no god at all. In the fullness of time, you will understand this.
Buddha had much better insight and wisdom than Jesus gave . Much more useful in the only life we know we have for 100% certain
every time you feel like you know everything just listen to these two and you will know how little you know
These two are awesome
“What is it with you humans that don’t put off switches on other humans” facts
matter is what matters 7:45
When you look at the human body so beautifully put together, nature, climate, animals, plants. God's bond cannot be bought in wealth or prestige. It is an immense peace of mind that you cannot buy no matter how much money or prestige you have. It is soothing and beautiful without explaining😊😇💫
As an Atheist, this conversation with JP was incredible. Jordans' perspective of a "God" was nearly perfect. I just wish we'd stop fighting over such a trivial topis.
Stop being an atheist and evolve into agnostic. Being so absolute their is no god, is contradictive. But hey, vegans, navy seals and yourself can't help yourselves.
Wouldn't it be so depressing knowing that it's impossible for anything to be after we die? Parallel universes is god theory, aliens too. Atheism is as useful as Islam. Stay bound!
@Marty McK ...
Yeah, Marty; that and much, so much more. Everything, including Alchemy, and Sorscery, to learn what pitfalls there are and what CLEARLY to learn how and what, when, and why, to steer away from ...
I think its time you give up your atheism, its to clear and too self evident that God exists. I mean just ponder the nature of your own consciousness for a moment, who the hell are you to even observe self? Any other consciousness could have been the one bound to that body and every body that was ever born until that time was not your consciousness, then arbitrarily you're spawned into something called reality, floating in an endless dark void... There is just no way to understand experience itself as anything other than a creation and a creation by definition must be purposed and built from outside of itself. You and all things are clearly an intended creation, theres just no getting around it. Don't waste your life believing the notion its just some chemicals reacting, its impossible for consciousness to be an illusion, an illusion HAS to fool an observer, it can't fool itself, because the illusion of consciousness cant fool the a consciousness thats an illusion. You possess a body, making you a soul, this is not a cartoon where you're a winged translucent ghost that floats out of the body when you die, its unknowable reality we aren't equipped to understand because it extends beyond our reality, the reality that birthed ours.
Just a btw, calling someones perspective on God or religion "trivial topic" is such a disrespecting notion that you wouldn't believe it (pun intended). Important things for people are important for a reason. It is like calling the well being of your family a trivial matter, just because I personally don't know them or care about them.
where is the answer?
No way I’m gonna spend 15 minutes listening to Peterson over Analyze and over complicate the concept of God.
Sorry
So then you choose to remain a child of a Lesser God.
what do you mean over complicate? how can you over complicate the most complicated concept to exist?
"We can't be expected to understand him. He is so far above us. We are like ropes on the Good Year Blimp."
I know the truth and only I can. When you look for the answer from someone else it takes away from the experience. If you really want the answer you wil get it
My own discernment reminds me that there is a God. Just as when I see and hear another's.
Sincerity grips me..
The right answer is explained on Al-Qur’an -> Surah Al-Ikhlas.
It's strange how Jordan talks about the characteristics/traits/qualities that are generally worshiped and then purifying that so that "it" contains all of those qualities, yet says to "be a monster", leaving an earthbound mortal to navigate when to and when not to be a monster, presumably at times, being a less-than-god, or less than "good" person? Yet it is required in our society to do so? I really don't see how and when Jordan would know (or anyone else) when and how to be a monster. SO, by that rational, God wants us to be a monster? FYI I don't believe in god the way Jordan defines it here.
I love when we humans try to make sense of an all powerful being known as “God” our limited brains trying to understand something so great like infinity or the vastness of the universe it sounds so nerdy but if there is a being that’s so powerful we couldn’t fully understand them
As a new father, I sense a parallel phenomenon as my daughter stares at me and tries to, I imagine, understand
it's possible, in the sense that your brain is a very good computer for highly abstract systems. "abstract" in this case meaning symbolical and representational; is what language, our only tool that allows us to collectively understand phenomena, is after all (and that seems to be dependent on communication, a system that, by dependencies alone, seems to precede logic) but it's impossible in a different sense: all we can do to know is assign a symbol to God and define what does that symbol points to. it's possible because language itself features the possibility of a symbol of ambiguous meaning (to the point no word means one thing, hence contexts) but it's impossible, because in order to properly define a symbol we must consider everything the symbol encompasses, which seems like an impossible task for us when dealing with an all-encompassing symbol. we do it anyway, we approximate things all the time. considering all things, seems to be a property of language. logic seems like a flawed tool to deal with such problem in spiritual terms, if you consider "spirit" a path rather than your path, and God all paths by definition of "all-encompassing", even the ones that lead away from it. God, if all-compassing, also points towards what cannot be symbolized, therefore understood, with accuracy, and in that sense, faith is required to even generate the logical systems that allow you to believe, which is a bit of an anathema for logic. Where does it stop being what it is and starts being what we want it to be? It's a hard question for a computer specialized in abstracts to cleanly compute.
God could just make us understand him right?
You don't understand God's essence, you only can approach him through his energies.
@@obren100 Do you understand Gods essence? Can you elaborate?
The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
Really? So there's no such thing as air? Interesting. There was me thinking I was alive all these years by breathing air. Turns out the stuff doesn't even exist!
@@charliebridges3584 Air is measurable though… and very much can be interacted with in multiple ways.
11:40 best moment of this video. Peterson coming to the realization that he’s just
mentally hip-tossing Friedman all around.
I'm of the opinion that asking Jordan Peterson the question, Who Is God? is about as relevant as asking a Squirrel the same question. And, the reference to "Who" in the question, automatically suggests a Monotheistic Andromorphic concept of what God is. We humans are Sooooooooooooo Self Absorbed🙄
Big difrends who or what is god! And ego is the game! 😅 butt bevore god created the world nature! Is humanity part of nature or above nature! 🤔🤌
Some answers complete in one word. Some answers complete in one line and some answers complete in paragraphs. But
Truth and God can't compete in paragraphs.
It's about living and all living can be true or can be false. Love can be true or false, eating can be true or false, sleeping can be true or false, parenting can be true or false, care can be true or false, friendship can be true or false etc. God belongs to the truth and Sometimes truth lives in the truth and sometimes truth can be in the false also. Not all is here to understand especially Truth and God. These are for living.
lol what’s up with Lexs YT thumbnails…
Let God be god, let me be a stupid human I'm cool with that.
You dont have to be Stupid
GOD is the Positive Energy of the Universe you could say HEs Karma !! Yin an Yang !!
I like to get what I give on the foundational level
Everyone always asks who is God? But no one ever asks how is God?
Have you answered that question for yourself yet ? “how is GOD”
Great conversation
matter is what matters 8:00
Some would argue, you are god experiencing god. Or in other terms, you are the eternal essence of life experiencing life. It’s so simple and obvious that it seems impossible.
It’s like the experience of being in a dream, when something in your dream tries to convince you that you’re in a dream. In that moment, your response is to either resist it and keep on going about your adventures pretending you’re not in a dream, or you accept the information and start lucid dreaming.
So, from this perspective, all the associations you have with the term “life” are synonymous with term “god.”
And in this way, if you want to understand god, simply close your eyes and open them…
Dope
@@jaboris2536 👽
God is the ultimate spirit one must emulate in other to thrive.
God is I Am. God has contracted itsSelf as Us in order to explore I Am. Enjoy your exploration as you will go home soon enough.
Is this conversation more impressive than a cell splitting in two? We are small but I love the fact that you're trying in 2022, Like the Great Man Russell Westbrook said "Why Not?"🤙
Wish Christopher Hitchens was here to debate this
who😅😂
Lex is clearly out of his comfort zone. He brings in robots in a conversation about god
An AI proofs that, they can learn so quickly, and they can take over from humanity, and they also can take the control of humanity in a short period of time!
I’m pretty sure it’s already happened a while ago
The external order inherent to the cosmos, that imbues it with meaning and purpose, which of necessity precedes it, by some called the Dao or the Way, is God.
We never know what the word Gods points to by thinking about it or concepts. It's just the universal experience we all can have the non-dual experience that we are not a individual seperate enitity but what we are is connected to the rest of the universe or to a awareness or the I Am. We all can find out where God points to by asking questions like who is the witness of thoughts, sensations and emotions, or who is listing to the sound of a bird? It's by looking and observing our direct experience we know what God means but every concepts is lost in this experience.
Exactly Lex.. there's a strong lack of morals and ethics in the world
‘You are god’
-Alan Watts
"what your are truly, deep down, with every fiber of your being"
th-cam.com/video/9RMHHwJ9Eqk/w-d-xo.html
Statement wrong. Alan Watts got it wrong
@@stoic_fathers Prove it
@@deanmccrorie3461 prove to me you're god 🤷♂️ can you give yourself eternal life? If not than it's wrong
@@stoic_fathers prove im god to who?
Lex's haircut look like it was done by his little brother. Love you, Lex! 🙂
I don’t understand Nature, thus God. This is a description of the god of the gaps, which keeps on shrinking more and more.
That’s a bit of a reductionist view. I’m agnostic myself but many might fall into the belief of a god or gods because they just fear the concept of loss. Or it helps with easing the burden of losing a loved one. Some can’t afford to not believe because it may mean offing themselves.
Plenty of Atheist who fell into some form of belief be they religious or not because of trauma just as many who turned atheist for reasons of logic or contradictions etc etc
@@Xarkom89 I agree with your comments regarding why some people feel the need to believe in a god or gods. However, my point was particularly directed at the way Peterson describes things that we don't understand and that those things "may be" related to god. That's the typical "god of the gaps" argument.
@@JoseFernandez-mn6qt Ahh okay, I get what you mean now.
Jordan Peterson VS Matt Dillahunty debate. Check it out.
Doug Stanhope said your one true god is your intuition. I've lived that ever since I heard it. Only in the sense of if you are taking care of yourself.
God is much more than love. It's the recognition of hate and satanical repetition throughout life, and it doesn't end there. The ability to go completely mad to realise that you more than likely are not seems to uncover the truth and beauty behind empathy
There are off switches
Whats crazy to me is that just because science can explain things, that doesnt mean things like the big bang werent pretty much magic. Nothing turned into something into existence and exploded into the finely tuned universe with conscious beings. Bruh thats pretty much magic.
Everything is magic except to the magician.- Dr Ford WW
@@replynotificationsdisabled well said
I’ve always found it interesting that the Bible and Science both agree that there was nothing and then there was something. I don’t think that’s nothing.
@@SnapnCrack That is the current position .
People need to stop looking at science as the antithesis to the concept of god. Science is just the measure of the playing field we are in. Plenty of scientist whom are religious or at least believe.
15 minutes listening to the sound of word bubbles. Not impressed.
We are all part of what we would call God in a small way mostly
this is my way of ration for religion as well
. God is one vast nothing materially, all things potentially. The role you have is to focus on what you desire and make it coagulate. The potential is there.
Lex not challenging JP throughout the whole damn thing nor pushing back against all this nonsense about science and transcendance is pathetic.
Ever considered the possibility that maybe he doesn't think the way you think?
He could just maybe want to have a conversation and not an argument with someone. You can still appreciate perspectives and ideas even if you do not agree with them.
Your authoritarian materialism is boring.
To find god is to die to thought.
Why is that?
The only Philosopher alive.
I have to be careful when listening to J.P. I've intentionally jumped into the sandbox of confusion multiple times in my search for such things. The things of which he speaks about often require rules before someone decides to really start looking at these things. If I could offer any advice, it would be that if you really want to wander into the questions that intellectuals like J.P know how to ask, you better clear that damn calendar.
If you would die a little bit all the time, you will find everlasting life.
Who is God? God is Love!❤
Even if there's a God religion is wrong as proof in their stories.. disregarding dinosaurs etc foe example.
😂 the bible does not do this
This guy drowns you in metaphysical gibberish when religion is brought up. Watch the "debate" between him and Dillahunty....Matt was coherent, at least. Wish this guy could have been, too.
Computer science isn't a science it's a philosophy
🤔
"The spirit you must emulate in order to thrive, its an animating pattern"
.... I feel so bad for the people who think there is something to understand here.
It's OK, we feel so bad for the people like you who can't see it.
Look into Tawheed.
When you Ask WHO - that refers to person, to being. With that question you accept that you know that God is person, being. God is undescribible - dont waste your time.
The word ( God) itself was invented by human thought and everything added to the word is part of the invention
Consciousness itself is the experience no need to manufacture an or the experience
God is whatever you want or dont want it to be. God both exist and doesn’t exist at the same time. It is all and it is nothing and everything in between.
Who is?
The Lord gives me strength, it’s only because of him I have persevered. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. My husband passed away years ago. I’m all alone. I lost my job over declining the vaccine. LIKE MANY OTHERS! I declined due to my pre existing health conditions lupus and heart disease. I’ve been struggling to provide for myself and my children since losing my job from Forsyth hospital. I’m now waitressing, and I’m thankful, but I’m not making nearly enough to get by. Groceries are super expensive. Every month is a battle to not end up on the streets with my two children. I’m constantly in fear of losing my home. To even think about being on the streets with two young children is terrifying. But even as I face homelessness seemingly every month. I have faith, God will provide. With GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE! Faith over fear.
The only way to know who or what god is, in my opinion, would be to retreat from the world, learn the language of the divine, of God, and persistently pray and ask him, pure in spirit and in heart, to bless us with the revelations, mysteries of that reality.
God or not, I don’t get why people chase or search for a god to begin. The only exit door from here is death, if there is a god you can find out post death.
Think it would do more to just help you’re fellow man, they’re stuck on this playing field with you. God in the end is not.
I know im in a minority opinion here and thats ok. God is the collective human conscience. I believe humans are the creators and they created/ will create themselves in gods image. I think we will all eventually become one and therefore be one with god .
So far I think its a mix of Storm and prof X. Mutants. What do I know, I am just a security
god is not a being, was that so hard?
George Burns, duh. 😁👍
God is us. Our thoughts shape God, until we adhere to a defined nature of God, which will then shape us.
So morality is ultimately subjective? If everyone agrees that nazis weren’t bad so they actually weren’t. Hey we shape the God so we shape the morality also.
@@nething94 Your Nazi example is given from our shared moral perspective.
Looking at multiple cultures globally over a large amount of time we can see that yes, morality is subjective e.g. Viking culture justified child-sacrifice and welcomed death in battle.
However, within a single culture morality is less subjective. Morality may change over many generations as it is developed, however, each iteration of that morality is believed to be objective. Even whilst changing, generations developing it perceive and live by it as though objective.
When doctrine, canon and ritual are established morality it is even less malleable but it's still open to change re: the teaching of Jesus and/or the Protestant Reformation.
@@benvids Forget about Vikings or society in general. I’m asking you a question right now. Is killing for instance Jews, good or bad? If nazis won WW2 than what? That would be okay? lol
@@nething94 To answer your question, a second time, I think it would be bad only because I follow a morality that deems it bad. Murder of other peoples has not always been deemed bad, plenty of examples of God ordering an ethnic cleansing in the Old Testament.
@@benvids How can you judge Old Testament on what moral basis? Morality is subjective to you. There is no higher moral standard above us. It’s SUBJECTIVE.
God doesn't want to be found, he plays hard to get
No God is so great he even doesn't need to be exist!! 666
God is what is.
Jordan Peterson's way of existence seems to be just to question every notion, then every noun or adjective used in a sentence.
The result is just meaningless word soup that if there is a point it can be conveyed in ways that are infinitely more concise and worse, have already been conveyed.
Don’t want his perspective? Don’t listen!
@@trel9388 That's stupid. I can entertain a thought and not subscribe to it.
@@moppypuppy781 you just came to this conclusion today from this clip? peterson has been word vomiting for years
@@trel9388 No he hasn't, he has deteriorated over time. Let's not pretend as though his psychology lessons didn't have appeal because they once made sense.
@@trel9388 Your lack of comprehension does not a soup make.
JP is such a great parody of JP
I try to follow the conversation and suddenly realize...damn I'm dumb...I still love learning but it's really hard to keep up with these two..so I just casual nod my head and agree with what there saying while saying.."ooooooo ok"...in reality I don't have a clue
😅
In reality they have no clue either. That is the reason the answers are so long and interwoven with humanities, philosophy, physics etc. Answer= God is the uncaused cause, without beginning and without end. At some point some power just was without a cause. The universe's and galaxies are limitless but they begun through a cause (big bang for example) but whatever caused the elements that caused the first bang to occur had no cause. Some power was first and that is God, the first power.
Neither of them has a clue. Perhaps Lex knows more because he does not pretend he knows it all. Peterson is into deepity 😜😁🤣
Lex....please let your wonderful guests talk without interuption. Let their thoughts come to a natural end....without interupting PLEASE !!!
they are having a conversation, not an interview. it was completely fine.
I would like to ask all ppl who believe in god could you worship a god that youn think is morally right because I think god is very egotistical I see him like a kings that abuse’s his power cuz y’all say god love us and that we are his kids but I would never send my kid to hell just because he or she doesn’t believe in me when they never hurt a soul but I can forgive someone who’s done evil things just because he come to worship me like I personally believe that’s wrong so how could I worship god cuz I believe in loving all and I can’t stand by god knowing he tortures innocent souls that never even wanted to be here any way just thrown into life but has never hurt any one but they might be gay or just don’t believe they could be a perfect person be don’t believe so hell you go like come on I’m just thinking logically here
So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.
John 8:57-59
Yes, we are too dumb to “bring God down to earth”, but God came down to earth since we couldn’t.
Let me declare my flawed understanding of Philosophy or computer science as truth, and you two would consider me laughable.
What do you think non-believers who go about declaring their definitions of God look like to us?
You don't have a monopoly on God.
Vegans... Hypocritical. Pure and simple
@@emanuelcaparelli You don't understand the analogy.
@@ifragpsn6431 could you explain what you meant?
@@emanuelcaparelli I find their understanding/theories about God, flawed, incomplete, childish, and laughable; basically the same as they would find my understanding about their chosen fields. Especially if I spoke as definitively as these men do.
It reminds me of when Stephen Hawking declared the study of philosophy dead, shortly before he passed. Even his own school's philosophy deartment publicly rebuffed him for speaking authoritatively on something he understood relatively little.
Amazing how people who don't even know what a human is, try to claim they know what God is!😂
This guy really has to come across as smart and intellectual to the uninformed and the untrained. One needs to have a very good understanding of debate techniques to notice how subtle is his use of half truths and falsities to support his wild positions, which he seems to arrive to as if inevitable common sense. Truly a master in playing the interviewer like a fiddle.
I get your point but the interviewer is a teacher at MIT and a very smart man in his own right, I don’t think he’s as easiest manipulated as you seem to think. He’s having a civil conversation, it doesn’t mean he agrees with everything that is being said
God is Dog spelled backwards. Your welcome
Peterson needs to get back in touch with Harris and try some mindfulness he's always talking about thinking 24/7 that will drive you insane. It's almost impossible to understand what he's talking about. He rambles on and on in an incoherent way that's borderline mad. And I'm a fan of his.
Doctor Peterson is super intelligent. But his explanation of "Who is God" here borders on insanity. He needs to cut back on thinking or he will go mad. And soon.
What do you mean?
Completely agree. There’s a quote about Nietzsche that when you read him you experience a cognitive vertigo and I feel like Dr. Peterson might be stuck in that vertigo.
@@dontworryboutit4480 I mean that when you try to follow his ideas, you get a feeling that Dr. Peterson is barely holding on to reality.
@@vman9591 we have a limited understanding of reality as it is. It's good to question it.
@@vman9591 What is reality?
This entire conversation was overcomplicated. Jordan keeps redefining things in these abstract terms, fraught with assumptions about anything unexplainable as divine. Ontological Transcendence could just be dimension ruled by DMT elves.
Ah our societies lack of theology… we’re getting there though
Not Who is God. What is God.
Dawkins to science to matter to Frankenstein. Can we all admit nobody knows for sure wtf he's talking about when asked about God