Great vid! Our dept. used to pack the flat load on the transverse and someone would always pull the whole stack out and we'd end up with the "spaghetti pile" beside the pump panel. The triple layer makes sense for vehicle fires as we generally stop the pumper at least 50 feet short of the car; this load allows us to get right up to the scene and charge the line, which has been "pre-flaked". Also great to stretch to the front door and it's flaked ready to enter!
Great video! I went to FGCU so I have driven by this station a few times and I'm now in the Fire Academy in Tampa, FL and this helped me hone my skills! Thanks!
Great Vid, We are going back and forth right now trying out the triple and a modified minute man as well for our cross lays. Thanks for sharing this with the rest of us brothers!! Nice truck as well
The modified minute man has more versatility and more advantages in tighter areas and multi story apartment complexes and environments with obstacles. It's also faster and easier to load. The triple load is archaic and hinders the momentum of an aggressive fire attack.
Same load that my department uses. When loading it though, we take that last loop and put it through the bail, as to make it easier to pull the loop and the nozzle. However, it really depends on whether your using inch, inch and three quarters, two inch, etc.
Good Evolution video for All fepartments from vol to paid full time. Crosslays with a triple gate valve are great for 3 1 inch brush lines. We always triple fold ours
Here in the UK we have a hose reel, same principle as a quick attack hose but a hose reel is a lot more easier to deploy and put back, it is essentially a garden hose only roughly 500 times more powerful and is a lot longer (around 100 to 150 Meters long) there is always water Inside the hose so even if you haven't ran it all out you can still use it, it hasn't got as much punch as the main jet as its built for only 1 man whereas the main jet is built for 2-3 men but its perfect for quick attacks and as we have 2 of these on each appliance it only takes 2 minutes to hook them together to make a 300 Meter long hose
That lay deploys nice. I'd rather use a 100ft 1 3/4 front bumper hose for a vehicle fire on the expressway. This way nobody has to walk behind the truck into oncoming traffic.
Folding it Alaskan pipeline style is significantly faster and deploys exactly the same. That method forever changed how I fold the baker load as we call it in Tennessee.
Chris, we also have two versions of a firefighter Mayday video (from a communications standpoint) on the youtube channel AtticChat1. One shows inside the dispatch center, the other shows on the scene (same incident).
Not if you leave the top fold sticking out a few inches on the officer's side. You'd just have the top fold to extend once all the hose is out of the bed.
I tried to count the number of lengths of 1 3/4 hose you use in your preconnect. Also, do you pack half on the front side and then go to the back of that individual bed? I believe this only enables you to come off one side of the engine? The other bed would be set for the other side I assume?
The way we bed ours after the first two passes we swap over from one side to the other every layer in the middle of the bed. Your mileage may vary depending on bed width and if you run a pony section or not.
What happens when you are on a street with cars on both sides and you don't have all that room to walk straight out to deploy it and you only have 2 guys?
That’s when you split the deployment, like they showed. Nozzle goes one way, loop goes the other. Nozzleman brings the nozzle and the first coupling to the door to set up for fire attack. Not the ideal hose load, but you can make it work if you train on it.
So, it looks like it can only be deployed with 2 guys for confined space. I am trying to imagine how to deploy this at a structure fire with short lawn. Looks like this load must be fully pulled to one side or another before you can charge it.
My dept started loading this fucking lay.. but we got 150 and 250 ft.. and they somebody mixed colors. They better not bitch at the operator if he sees yellow on the red side and opens up the yellow valve🤦♂️. I hate it. You shouldnt need a training to deploy a god damn hose. Especially at a 50 calls a year volunteer deparnment that makes a 2-3hrs a week training.. and dosent train in the summer. Buddy who missed training and grabs the nozzle only and starts yanking. Tangling the hose with a trapped victim. Just because hose lays werent kept simple.
A straight lay might be better for YOUR dept., but it is in no way faster or simpler than a triple lay. And it is just fine for any amount of firefighting. (which has NOTHING to do with a hose lay anyway) The hose load you use should suit the type of buildings, setbacks, and tactics you use. But no load is easier or faster to deploy than a triple load. It's almost fireman proof, you really have to try to screw it up.
So many have gone to minute man which I do like. But don’t underestimate the ease of the Triple. Just make sure your back man pulls a coupling to the front door so u have 50’
phil lamonica what fire department pays their firemen $300,000 a year? Maybe you are confused because 30-40k a year is about average starting pay and it is rare that a chief officers pay ever exceeds 6 figures. Unless you work within a community that has a very high cost of living.
I'm making 42k a year and we all have to be EMT qualified here and run an ALS ambulance. Our Chief doesn't even making 80k a year. He's been in the department for 29 years.
Bad lay... Strait lay is more effective and simple but not as nice looking as the triple.. Nice if you don't fight a lot of fire and are concerned about the aesthetics but not good for our departments application.. Nicely composed video though
Great vid! Our dept. used to pack the flat load on the transverse and someone would always pull the whole stack out and we'd end up with the "spaghetti pile" beside the pump panel. The triple layer makes sense for vehicle fires as we generally stop the pumper at least 50 feet short of the car; this load allows us to get right up to the scene and charge the line, which has been "pre-flaked". Also great to stretch to the front door and it's flaked ready to enter!
Our department has been using this lay for over 30 years. Works great.
Great video! I went to FGCU so I have driven by this station a few times and I'm now in the Fire Academy in Tampa, FL and this helped me hone my skills! Thanks!
Thanks for the video, I'm using it in training today to educate our firefighters on this hose load and how to load and deploy it.
Great Vid, We are going back and forth right now trying out the triple and a modified minute man as well for our cross lays. Thanks for sharing this with the rest of us brothers!!
Nice truck as well
The modified minute man has more versatility and more advantages in tighter areas and multi story apartment complexes and environments with obstacles. It's also faster and easier to load. The triple load is archaic and hinders the momentum of an aggressive fire attack.
Same load that my department uses. When loading it though, we take that last loop and put it through the bail, as to make it easier to pull the loop and the nozzle. However, it really depends on whether your using inch, inch and three quarters, two inch, etc.
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Thanks for the video. I specifically watched for your confine space deployment. Thanks for you help.
I am from Indonesia, I like this video
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Good Evolution video for All fepartments from vol to paid full time. Crosslays with a triple gate valve are great for 3 1 inch brush lines. We always triple fold ours
Here in the UK we have a hose reel, same principle as a quick attack hose but a hose reel is a lot more easier to deploy and put back, it is essentially a garden hose only roughly 500 times more powerful and is a lot longer (around 100 to 150 Meters long) there is always water Inside the hose so even if you haven't ran it all out you can still use it, it hasn't got as much punch as the main jet as its built for only 1 man whereas the main jet is built for 2-3 men but its perfect for quick attacks and as we have 2 of these on each appliance it only takes 2 minutes to hook them together to make a 300 Meter long hose
GPM's puts out fire, not pressure. "500 times more powerful"... uh, no. Just NO.
Here in the states NFPA states that we have to use 1 3/4” for interior attack, we can use a booster line for everything else
Great job with this video! Thanks I needed to show my guys the benefits of the 3/Layer!
Good video my crew trained on this today, grate job guys!
Very cool. Thx for the comment!
Clear Lake City VFD has used this triple load since the 1980's. Great for 2 man crews, and fast attack.
That lay deploys nice. I'd rather use a 100ft 1 3/4 front bumper hose for a vehicle fire on the expressway. This way nobody has to walk behind the truck into oncoming traffic.
Folding it Alaskan pipeline style is significantly faster and deploys exactly the same. That method forever changed how I fold the baker load as we call it in Tennessee.
Great video! Thanks for posting!
GREAT JOB VIPER!
Thanks Scott.
really cool video! Prolly gonna show this to my department :)
Lt Endersbee, great video thank you for sharing with us all. I have one observation. The nozzle and loop are set to the
Great technique thank you for sharing this.
Personally I like this load it is very easy to pull out like a breeze
All available hose should be stretched toward the nozzle before the line is charged... You can get quick water but the line will be slow to advance.
... Driver side. Wouldn't this load make it a little more difficult if the situation called for you to deploy hose off the captain side?
I'm guessing I can use this same method for our trucks. We use crosslays as well with 100' sections (3)
Cool, thx. I will play with my hose
Great video thanks for sharing.
Chris, we also have two versions of a firefighter Mayday video (from a communications standpoint) on the youtube channel AtticChat1. One shows inside the dispatch center, the other shows on the scene (same incident).
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Not if you leave the top fold sticking out a few inches on the officer's side. You'd just have the top fold to extend once all the hose is out of the bed.
How do you deploy this load for the upper floors of an apartment or townhouse?
I tried to count the number of lengths of 1 3/4 hose you use in your preconnect. Also, do you pack half on the front side and then go to the back of that individual bed? I believe this only enables you to come off one side of the engine? The other bed would be set for the other side I assume?
The way we bed ours after the first two passes we swap over from one side to the other every layer in the middle of the bed. Your mileage may vary depending on bed width and if you run a pony section or not.
What happens when you are on a street with cars on both sides and you don't have all that room to walk straight out to deploy it and you only have 2 guys?
That’s when you split the deployment, like they showed. Nozzle goes one way, loop goes the other. Nozzleman brings the nozzle and the first coupling to the door to set up for fire attack. Not the ideal hose load, but you can make it work if you train on it.
Does this load deploy transversely?
So, it looks like it can only be deployed with 2 guys for confined space. I am trying to imagine how to deploy this at a structure fire with short lawn. Looks like this load must be fully pulled to one side or another before you can charge it.
That's why this load sucks ass. It's not made for aggressive fire attack or realistic obstacles
How does this deploy though when the ladder isn't up with the top hatch open?
Thx Chris!
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Side won't matter. 1 crosslay (red) is loaded for drivers side deployment, the other crosslay (yellow) is loaded for officers side deployment.
My dept started loading this fucking lay.. but we got 150 and 250 ft.. and they somebody mixed colors. They better not bitch at the operator if he sees yellow on the red side and opens up the yellow valve🤦♂️. I hate it. You shouldnt need a training to deploy a god damn hose. Especially at a 50 calls a year volunteer deparnment that makes a 2-3hrs a week training.. and dosent train in the summer. Buddy who missed training and grabs the nozzle only and starts yanking. Tangling the hose with a trapped victim. Just because hose lays werent kept simple.
A straight lay might be better for YOUR dept., but it is in no way faster or simpler than a triple lay. And it is just fine for any amount of firefighting. (which has NOTHING to do with a hose lay anyway) The hose load you use should suit the type of buildings, setbacks, and tactics you use. But no load is easier or faster to deploy than a triple load. It's almost fireman proof, you really have to try to screw it up.
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So many have gone to minute man which I do like. But don’t underestimate the ease of the Triple. Just make sure your back man pulls a coupling to the front door so u have 50’
we call it the wa saw
Nice pistol grip...
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"Play with your hose, til you get it where you like"................. Now I see why these "Super heros" make 3 to 4 hundred K a year.
phil lamonica what fire department pays their firemen $300,000 a year? Maybe you are confused because 30-40k a year is about average starting pay and it is rare that a chief officers pay ever exceeds 6 figures. Unless you work within a community that has a very high cost of living.
volunteers get what?
@@MrCheckitout123 a thirt and thank you... Once in a while. 🤣
I'm making 42k a year and we all have to be EMT qualified here and run an ALS ambulance.
Our Chief doesn't even making 80k a year. He's been in the department for 29 years.
@@VengefulMaverick Well, you need to get on a "big city" FD in California.
Bad lay... Strait lay is more effective and simple but not as nice looking as the triple.. Nice if you don't fight a lot of fire and are concerned about the aesthetics but not good for our departments application.. Nicely composed video though