New Tools that Kick Vintage Tools Butts - Marking Gauge - Tool Fool Friday
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Marking gauges are a necessity in most woodworking shops. For centuries craftspeople have worked well with traditional blocks on sticks. But they wear out, are finicky to adjust, come out of adjustment and require multiple versions to work the same board. Glen Drake introduced a modern design with his Tite Mark that puts what we've been using to shame. Widely copied but rarely equaled.
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Hi Shaun. Actually this is an old designed marking gauge, from the last 1800s. Stanley made ones (search Stanley #91, #97, #98) but I won't be surprised if it was on market before.
I’m sure there might be a design but not popular production model as the wheels, thread production and even material quality needed for mass production weren’t around. Davinci had designs and prototypes for helicopters but….
@@wortheffort I edited. I didn't check production dates for thoses Stanleys...
The cutter flush with the end cutter can be incorporated into the traditional design. I am quite partial to cam leaver locking mechanism.
Making one with the cam and end flush cutter is a nice afternoon in the shop. I usually go for dull hacksaw blades as the stock for my cutters.
Yeah, you are right. Wedges and tapping don't work and aren't accurate, too bad about thousands of years of woodworking, and even wooden planes today. What a shame. I mean sure I can adjust a plane so that it takes a .0004" shaving, but getting a gauge to adjust to the thickness of a board, impossible. You take on this is like opposites day.
Also a good time to give credit to Jim Kingshott for his original design of a micro adjustable gauge. Glen Drakes first iteration was a knockoff of Kingshott’s and then progressed from there.
BS. Of course a mater of taste. For one thing, for what they cost, the Lee Valley ones RUST! All my favourites are wood. Warm to the hand. Doesn't damage when dropped. Easy to adjust to a thou with a pair of calipers. Longer fences is something I prize. I bought that Goofy one LV makes with the pencil. It has it's flaws, but I use it all the time. However, my go to from 40+ years ago is a Japanese gauge with a knife, it just works super precise. It has a cheap thumb screw adjust, but it will stay 80% locked, still allow a very precise adjustment, and when it is locked down, no way it will shift.
I hate those round cutters. I can sharpen a knife, (every 10 years when it becomes necessary). It has a precise and easily observed contact point. Doesn't unscrew like the LW wheels, when moved in one of two of it's directions.
Family channel dude. Care to edit out the cursing.
Guess I missed this one before, but it came up on my feed today. I have three of the Veritas marking gauges -- the two (different) micro-adjust wheel gauges and the dual wheel (mortise) gauge. My favorite of these is the newer micro-adjust with the fine-tune knob at the end of the stem. That gauge clamps onto the stem with a screw like the dual wheel gauge, rather than the collet type. I find that either of these hold their settings just fine, unlike your experience with the dual gauge. One thing about the dual gauge is that its two wheels are oriented with the bevel in on one and out on the other -- while this is appropriate for marking a mortise or tenon, it is also useful when you want to make a mark where the waste will be on the other side.
Wish i bought the Veritas first. 😕🍻✌🏽
That was great. Thanks mate.
And it can even be used as a mini router plane in a tight spot
You showed some Japanese ones in the beginning.
I love mine and would not want to miss it.
It runs really straight along a edge, it has a blade so it cuts really good. I use it often for cutting veneer parallel.
For most application you are right but from time to time the japanese ones are great.
My 2cents...
Haven't watched a video for a while. I bought a similar one of these but still haven't used it. I'm not up to a level yet where I would be using this all the time. I used to a couple of times but I need to be building things where It's coming in useful every time. I'm about to start making a shadow box for a family member so I'm gonna break it out and go for it this weekend.
Great content as always my friend.
So true. It's also very annoying that it's the only one of two modern tool (other is a 4" machinist's square) in my daily even though I own lots of modern stuff.
Don’t you need the mortise gauge to mark out the tenons?
No, use chisel.
Good advice. I got one of those wheel marking gauges from Grizzly year’s ago and wasn’t that satisfied with how it performed. Will need to revisit and re-evaluate
Another thing I truly appreciate not only your honesty about the mortising gauge which I've been eyeballing for a couple yrs and would rather get another because they're amazing, but also SHARING your learned lessons with only really need to mark one side! That sentence hit profoundly lol. the time saved... Tks
I have the LV gauge from prior to the adjustment upgrade, great tool. Now i'll get the single shaft adjustable tool rather than the planned twin shaft.
I would like to request anything that follows the theme of using power tools like hand tools. Working projects with less than machined 4 square stock. Using hand tool guides and jigs for those of us who want to use hand tools but are plagued with tremors and arthritis.
thanks
Yay. Great things those wheel gauges. I have one, but I do wonder if I should have two.
Get to the point
I love these. I always learn so much and enjoy your style, Shawn.
Stay away from the Taytools one. It’s terrible and moves.
Not wood shop related but I am jealous of that hair
It’s a wig.
it's a toupe....
@@wortheffort Our place is still open to you and your Dad whenever y'all plan a craft fair in the Dallas/Ft Worth area. Plenty of room for a coupe trucks and trailer. Best breakfast in town. Stay as long as you need. Least I can do for all the lessons. Thanks!
i agree, this style is what i use. But i do wish they were sharpenable instead of having disposable blades.
What do you mean? I sharpen mine.
@@wortheffort i find it basically impossible to sharpen those things, they're too small and i can't manage to not roll them on the stone. If you can do it, you're way better at it than me.
@@joshwalker5605 you can sharpen these, but forget about the bevel. When you unscrew the wheel lay the flat top on your stone and make circular motions, use a stone of about 1k grit and itll do nicely :)
I agree with most. Having at least one gauge that can be set for a board's thickness as you show is very handy. I do like to use gauges that look different from one another, so the settings don't get mixed up.
But my real quibble is this. While to me it's worth it as you say to get these gauges, you said something like "There's no way tapping to adjust can be anywhere near as accurate." I think people who are highly skilled can do incredible things, and can be just as accurate. But it takes a lot to get there.
Largely true and in this case I'm thinking of Paul Sellers. The guy can do more with a soup spoon than I can with an entire shop, BUT... he started his apprenticeship two years before I was born.
I didn't say that. I did say it's easier with these as each "tapper" has a different personality. So can be challenging for those who don't use them constantly. Most of my planes are adjusted with taps.
@@wortheffort I apologize if I caused any confusion (because I think I agree with you), but I was primarily thinking of "I think people who are highly skilled can do incredible things, and can be just as accurate. But it takes a lot to get there." I got a little lazy and imprecise... never good things. :-)
I love all the features you describe on this, and the Jessem Wood Sabre expounds upon this with actual measurements of adjustment. I love mine and I'm just as stoked as you are about the Jessem. A little pricey at about $120 but this is one of the few tools I brag about.
yeah that marking gauge looks fantastic! i havent gotten one, good to hear they perform as good as they look
@@justinsane332 You won't get a better marking gauge !
Hi Shawn, thanks for another great video. I think the wheeled marking gauge is one of my favourite and most useful tools. They are a bit like clamps, you can never have too many! I have the Veritas versions and several other brands including a Tite Mark copy. Rob Cosman produces multiple sized marking wheels with different bevel angles for different purposes which is an interesting twist. I really like the accuracy they give and as you say the way they can be used for measuring as well.
Another great video for us woodworkers. I like vintage but I also accuracy, ease of use and recommendations on the best tools and methods. Please keep them coming, I always enjoy your videos.
I bought one from Taylor Toolworks & I love it! And I will be buying a second one for projects that take 2 settings.
One of my most-used tools; just so handy. Definitely get more than one, since it's common on a project to have a few key depths, and while you can always reset, you typically won't want to -- I mean, the gauge is set perfectly, might as well leave it that way rather than introduce an opportunity for error. My original was from WoodCraft, then a second from Rob Cosman, who does some nice tuning to them, e.g., grinding one side of the head flat so it doesn't roll around. Final one is a Drake, out of respect for the inventor. All three work great, and it's handy that they all look different when each one is handling a different measurement aspect of a piece.
I like the easy of use you demonstrated with this one. I like it. Thanks for sharing.
I literally just ordered that dual gauge. I was able to change my order, thanks for the heads up!
Been watching you hair grow for yrs lol that stuff getting majestic
I do like that mortise gauge. Maybe the older one doesn't hold as well?
When are you posting the pen production video?
Towards end of this month as part of Art Market series as the turning basic series is hemorrhaging subscribers for my channel. Timing it for people making Christmas gifts. Will do a magic wand one right after.
Ok thanks!
I don’t know about hemorrhaging subscribers but I think it might help if the videos in the turning basics series came out with a bit more regularity. It was the first video in the series that got me to subscribe to your channel in the first place. It has been very frustrating for me as I watch week after week for further information only to be disappointed with other things coming along instead. One of the big things for me was that the lathe you bought for the course was the exact same one I had purchased a mere two weeks before the first turning basics video. I was really looking forward to seeing someone experienced using that lathe to produce various items. In any event, I very much liked this video and I agree with you that the modern marking gauge is far superior to the old tap and wedge versions.
Really enjoyed this vid. Thank you
The Tite Mark marker has been a favorite of mine for several years..
Cool vid, thanks!
Way Cool! Thanks!
awesome as always!!
Thank u for a awesome channel
Great series!!!
The cool thing about the double cutter one is more that it retains two settings on the same tool rather than using it to cut mortises or housing dados
I rarely need more than two measurements for a marking gauge at once but somehow when I have two tools of the same kind, I always loose the one I like the least
I like my homemade one, it's the kind without a screw to lock the bar but using a friction pin, not as accurate and everything but I can set it using only one hand and it's good enough for rough work
I haven’t found that particular one to retain settings.
I don’t know about hemorrhaging subscribers but I think it might help if the videos in the turning basics series came out with a bit more regularity. It was the first video in the series that got me to subscribe to your channel in the first place. It has been very frustrating for me as I watch week after week for further information only to be disappointed with other things coming along instead. One of the big things for me was that the lathe you bought for the course was the exact same one I had purchased a mere two weeks before the first turning basics video. I was really looking forward to seeing someone experienced using that lathe to produce various items. In any event, I very much liked this video and I agree with you that the modern marking gauge is far superior to the old tap and wedge versions.
Series lose viewers the longer they go on because new viewers don't feel they should jump in. That's to be expected based upon past experience and is OK. In the 6 previous 12 video series I have not "lost" subs on every single upload. So I paused. The entire series will be done in 2021. No need to keep posting this same comment on every video.
@@wortheffort My apologies. I was uncertain if you had seen my comment the first time as I accidentally posted it as a reply to the other fellas comment instead of directly back to you. I appreciate the efforts you put forth making these videos very much.