If Adam Savage Could Rebuild His Shop From Scratch …
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I’ve often wondered if it was possible for Adam to expand into (and I don’t know where his workshop is location wise) into the unit/s (? )Next door, or have another floor built or the basement .
Adam, my friend, it's time to move. 400sq feet is not enough and one needs to get one's vehicle inside at the very least.
And, OF COURSE we need to know about the doggo for doggos are life.
Our makerspace wanted to have a car fixing zone because we are in a building with a large overhead garage style door in the back. BUT the fire Marshall said we would be required to install a lot of specialized and expensive ventilation for that so we could not.
I would absolutely love to see a series of building a new shop if that was to happen, the whole process from an empty room, to the fully built shop and seeing the process building each individual station, every nook and cranny.
For SURE we will cover it if it happens!
Same here. I use his tips for set ups in my garage frequently.
Kind of like LTT that has probably made like 30 videos over months about Linus's new house setup and it's not even half done yet, I love that kind of series.
There is also something really nice about a space that has grown organically with you over time. I like being able to step back and look at my workshop and see the scars on the workbench, spills on the floor and storage solutions that almost kinda worked out. I get to relive the memory of how those scars and marks came to be and it can be a really fun journey back in time. Kinda like flipping through an old photo album.
IF it happend, before dismantling the old one, could be nice to do a few 360 high res VR photos, or even a 3Dscan of it.
It's always cool to hear Adam answer questions but him loving on his dog made the video. I'd like to see you get another shop and then have series about setting up.
For sure, we will cover the setting up of another shop if it happens!
Dear Adam: Please know that we will never *not* want Maggie news! As the Momma of a 16 year old, blind, Jack Russell with a bad heart, hearing about other elderly doggos brings me so much joy - and I am certain I am not alone! She is beautiful.
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"It is not a problem to solve, it is a process to manage." I LOVE THIS!!
Tested T-Shirt idea?
"The mystery of life isn't a problem to solve, but a reality to experience." - Frank Herbert, 'Dune'
*paradox to manage
Adam Savage holding a dog is something I didn't know I needed in my life until now
Awe Maggie, she's adorable!!!! Definitely need some more "Maggie in the Cave!!"
Some of the things you were saying reminds me of gardening. A garden is never 'complete', it's just an ongoing journey of improvements. And this also puts in in mind of one of my favourite quotes - From Enzo Ferrari "There is no such thing as perfection, just an evolution towards it"
I have been redesigning my lab at work based on The Cave. It’s driving my co-workers slightly bananas but I can’t stand having to trudge to four different rooms three times each to do one task that should be streamlined. It’s a reoccurring activity - everything should live right where the activity is done.
Adam, I would love to see a video of you thinking about and designing a dream shop layout and maybe you could even build it out of foam core. I'm talking wiring diagrams, lighting layouts, air ducting, a garage, a hangout/display zone....
Great question. Nicely answered Adam. I had a friend that was a master inventor, now moved on due to Covid-19. He had some property that was about 2 acre , way out in the country side, a good distance from the city. He had a shop built inside of a shipping container. The first 2 year he worked on wood projects then he added welding so he got a new container for metal work. The falling year he got introduced to single board computers SBC, so he added a 1/2 size shipping container just to work on electronics.
So he’s answer on how to make your shop work for him was, you guessed it! Buy one more shipping container!
I believe his sons picked up one each and moved it to their place. I will miss driving out to his shops and seeing what new hobbies he picked up. He will be missed.
'Moved on' to other hobbies I expect. Then I read 'He will be missed.' Oh. Ohhh. I'm sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss.
I love these videos. The natural pauses and thinking. It’s great. Feels like we are having a conversation not an interview.
So glad to see Maggie is doing well. I lost my buddy at the start of COVID last year; he had just turned 15, and had been with me for 14 years and 3 months, through good times and bad. Dogs may be the best example that there just may be some intelligent design going on. Long may Maggie thrive!
I've obviously never actually been in Adam's cave, and although I've got a pretty good idea of its layout over the years, I couldn't with any certainty tell you exactly how it's fit together...but I still find it to be an oddly comforting and familiar happy space for me. I suppose it's like seeing the film set for a favorite, long running TV show or something, only I know THIS one is actually real. It's not the biggest or the best on TH-cam to be certain, but I always find myself comparing other people's shops to Adam's, and it always tops my list. I think maybe Adam's cave has reached the Nostalgia Point...
15yrs old 😱 you're so lucky to get to love your dog for that long..bless her
If there's one thing i've learnt in 14 years of having a work shop of my own, it's this. Never set your shop in stone. Massive mistake i did for 5 years and it essentially stripped down my ability to proper workflow correctly and burnt down a lot of hours. Yes, some components should always be grounded. Lathe, mill, shaper, and if had, a horizontal mill. Those are required by nature to be structured as islands. But just like with a river, everything else must flow (like spice) around them, just like with the real thing.
Drill press, band saw, printers, wash basins (the portable kind like Adam has featured), benders, vacuums, saws, and others, all on wheels with good platforms to allow it. Even my storage is on wheels. I bought old clothes cabinets and converted them to storage, and chucked them on wheels.
I have set configurations, but for the most part, a job, specific task, will be achieved by configuring the shop around the work, not myself around it.
I cannot overstate, just how good this gets, when you're the center of the work, not the tools (within the expressed limitations of the unmovable big items that require precision setup, therefore static).
Just the other day i had to finish bearing caps for one of our machines, i cleaned up, and moved all my tool drawers and parts bins around the mill and lathe. With the exception of bathroom breaks, i did not leave the volume defined by storage and work place, and i finished all the work... basically from my wheeled bar stool.
Vitruvian man, but in a workshop form, best format i've come across, and if i do say so myself, whenever i get friend over to do their work, they're easily accepting of the concept. At least two of them having put steps forward to similar shop conversions (i can see why some would have a hard time accepting this drastic change, for one... cleanliness is next to godliness).
😲Wow... you're so right!! It is a process to be managed... If you do rebuild your shop it would be interesting to see how you rethink your stations and workflow... does it translate from one shop to the next? Guess you'll need to move the cave to find out!
Yes Adam, we do need to know those things. Thanks for telling us.
Upgrading to a larger shop would definitely be the best Adam could do at this point. When looking for or building a shop space I have found that it is always best to calculate how large of a space you need to hold everything you currently have and for the things you would like to have if given the space. Then add all the room needed to use everything & to easily move around & add 20% to that for anything you missed. After adding all that up double it & that is the minimum size your new shop should be. One additional tip is to have the entire shop on only one level if at all possible, stairs and ladders might not seem like a problem to access lesser needed items or material storage but over the years it will alleviate a lot of problems if everything is on the same level.
Might need to buy an old factory building then. haha.
I swear, I could sit and listen to Adam answer questions all day every day. Just watching him stop and think, reflect, remember and form responses is enthralling.
After building a van conversion, everything had to have at least a double use, like toilet being a seat, like the sink cupboard door as a loading rack for external water… there’s amazing designs out there!!
Ok, I had to pause two minutes in because yes, we absolutely need to know all about Maggie because she is a very good girl.
AGREED 100% MORE MAGGIE REQUIRED. CAPS INTENDED.
We approve this use of all caps. 💯
MORE MAGGIE!!
Adam suddenly interrupting himself to say "You don't need to know all this!" and our section of the audience all yelled "YES WE DO, MORE MAGGIE TIME, ALWAYS!"
in 20 years I never felt lied to by Adam before today. I do in fact need to know EVERYTHING about Maggie and her big walk and how she feels about the shop, thank you very much
Maggie is a sweet little biscuit eater.
I wonder about Adam having a LARGE space and how he would design a shop. He mentioned wanting more wall space, I like shelving units with one end against a wall and sticking out into the shop rather than paralleling the wall. I would also be interested in Adam's ideas on work flow. Given an unlimited budget I'd have multiple work benches. Each dedicated to a type of work, electronics, woodworking, welding, etc. I'd have a workbench or workbenches on wheels to move my projects between each of the types of work. Painting walls and ceiling semi gloss white with a grid of lights shining up for indirect light with task lighting at each station. Sigh...
Shelving units sticking out from the wall seems to be popular in more commercial workshops. There's a reason most libraries are setup like that. Probablem is you get more space, but you need the have a big space to dedicate to it. I guess you start gaining space when they go out into the room farther than the space between the shelves is long.
Great answer, awesome realization. Nothing is static. You either move forward or you move backwards (with the occasional side shuffle in there).
I'm obviously way past the launch date for this awesome question by Tessa. However, Adam, one thing we learn from the Stoics is "The obstacle is the way". I look forward to seeing your new shop! :-)
Amateur here. You mentioned have an LED light for your lathe. I've heard that refresh rate on non incandescent lights make lathe work far more dangerous because at a variety of RPMs the lathe doesn't appear to be rotating.
Do you also you incandescents around the lathe or is this not as big of an issue as I understand it/people make it?
This is really not a thing. The lights that flicker are not strobe lights, they stay on for close to half a cycle at a time. Many shops (maybe most) use fluorescent lights. Those lights strobe at double the line rate. It's not a problem. You also usually have lights on more than one circuit, and in shops with 3 phase power, that staggers the phase of the flickering so one third of the lights are always on at any given time. In order to 'freeze' your lathe at certain speeds, you'd need a strobe light with a VERY short on time like a xenon bulb. Another example of this is all video cameras operate at a certain frame rate. Yet you don't see that effect freezing the spinning lathe either, and for the same reason.
@@stargazer7644 great reply, thanks!
I agree its an evolving process. I only have 120 square foot and recently moved my bench vice to accommodate something i was working on which ended up with a 25% restructure of area lol.
One of the ways that I have thought of this very same idea is that a shop is very much like a stream or river. Almost everything is moving in some way. You may have stones or bends that do not move very easily but they will move at some point if needed. My dads shop was this to a T. Depending on the day or project things could move and never be in that spot again or they could become rooted (like tool boxes) to a specific spot and you would need to move around them. I can see this with the cave in how everything is able to move and can be in different areas of the shop at any time but certain pieces stay still till something drastic comes along(like a move or a restructure). My dad changed shops a few times over the years and this was a constant throughout all of his and others shops.
This made me want a montage of shots of Adam's shop from the beginning of his shows on Tested, a couple of them from different points in the shop to show how it's changed over time.
After years of watching Adam, we finally get to see his puppy!
Maggie makes the occasional appearance, but definitely not often. Here’s the dog bed Adam made for her last year, if you’re looking for more Maggie: th-cam.com/video/BEVEYvAO3rI/w-d-xo.html
Yes, Adam, we absolutely need to know about Maggie. Everything about Maggie. You need a series of Tested videos that are just people playing with your dog.
Rest Assured, we like knowing Maggie is getting her walks in.
I write this without reading others comments, but as I watch and thoroughly heard ever word,, our shop "is too a process to manage"! Some say, or think Bear is a "hoarder", and would have enormously more usable space if not for all his "stuff"! But collected "Stuff" builds more "Stuff,,Right? So our (bride being the key to say, Our's) main 900 sf shop is always in a "Process too Manage". Yes, today, Dec 4th a metal shaper in a few hrs will be setting in a Space that was made by due "Process"! Adam, you sharing this, I fill totally exonerated by "due process" and love our space that is ever changing too!! Have a Merry ole Christmas from Bear & Sammie,,Tx. Love your content, Keep on Keeping On!
I always find it interesting to hear from Adam how he thinks about his work. I'm about to build a 500 sqft shop and his thinking about things like lighting and wall space and tool retrieval have definitely impacted my layout!
Gotta love how much Adam's dog looks like him and vice- versa. The mutual hearing issues are just the icing on the cake...
I'd love to do a pipe grid for your shop lighting. That's one of the things we build in my shop.
No one is asking for my opinion, but I'm going to offer it anyway:
If Adam is relatively happy with shop as a foundation, perhaps a new space could be set up for the collection in the other half - Space suits, props, pool table, etc - and set that up as an entertaining space. Good for use for the Things when they're visiting, good for hosting guests and other creators when they're in town, even good for setting up vlogging/interview space. Maybe even the occasional public open house that some poor, non-celeb schlub (such as myself) could come and see all the nifty stuff.
The, as he said here, he could revamp the other side of the shop and have access to the bay door for vehicle space. He could move some equipment around and some of the things on roll-away carts - like the sewing machine - could get their own permanent home without ripping apart the current things that DO work for him.
...just a thought or two. (Yes, the biggest con to this idea is that would be two separate spaces to maintain; I didn't say it was a flawless idea.)
As a guy who is designing a garage to be built in the spring this is the perfect video for me :)
"You don't need to know any of this"
No, but I _want_ to
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I think you just hit up on your next build... There are several methods for building a dog bed enclosure which limits noise for dogs with anxiety concerns.. I wonder if you would make one of these type enclosures for your dog to retreat to while you are working...
Adam, you know we love your side complaints and comments. You shouldn't apologize. In fact if you had a show or vlog dedicated to you tangents, we would eat it up! Seriously something to consider.
Working at the boatyard and helping manage expansion into an additional shop burned into my brain that lighting is one of the best places to invest extra money if you can! Shop lighting so often gets neglected but makes such a difference in a workspace. Made me chuckle to see it come up cuz yeah, feel that 🤣
A work space is always evolving. I have rearranged my fab shop many times. sometimes for efficiency, sometimes to accommodate new machinery, and sometimes for production needs for specific parts. I look at it as a journey. Not a destination.
You can never have enough space, you'll always find a way to fill it up. So yeah just managing the space you have is the best thing to do. And I agree, lighting is always something that never seems to be enough. Then when you get perfect lighting, its too bright at times and we forgot to install a dimmer. Double edge sword there too.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question!
You're winning internet/TH-cam participation today! Just coincidentally recognized your username in a pinned comment on vlogbrothers!
@@carolyngolden6681 Several pinned comments, shout outs, and question-answering from across all my favorite channels today. I guess it's a sign I should start making my own content!
Thank you for the question and support!
I would love to see a from scratch shop series!!
One of the biggest issues in any shop is storage, IMO. Be it raw materials, hardware, tools, projects, etc. That is what consumes wall space. Wish I had an answer for that.
While waiting the first five minutes for Adam to figure out what he want's and figured out that I actually have to redesign my workshop from scratch... I have to move beginning next year and will have to build a nev workspace in a yet to be seen room... Oh lord, the exitement is as palpable as the excruciating fear of relocating all my crap! :D
The shop is never done. So true. My shop is my shed, it's like 12x10ish. I always reorganize stuff. It's a challenge to keep everything clean and neat.
My favorite videos on youtube is seeing the progression of the shops and tools as my favorite TH-camrs come into money., my gosh the pride that fills me for these people is immense. That all being said if my hero my numba 1 guy were to get a new shop and film everything I would tune in every video!
I think it can be interesting discussion, As some of you may know Laura Kampf has had to move workshops few times over the years. She has videos each time she has moved and her thought process for each new space. I found it interesting.
In my opinion a shop/work space is ever evolving. As different projects and needs come up you may need to configure things differently. As an example a few months back I moved my jointer, cabinet saw, bandsaw and milling machine 6 inch's to the right. Just that little move made my work flow so much better. Now the tool box that stores my milling cutters and drill bits can tuck under the milling machine table for storage and still allow the Mill to be used.
I like the tweak on the saying that you/we (every person) are not a problem to solve but a process to manage. ❤
Yes, lighting is very important for any shop.
"It is not a problem to solve, it is a process to manage." ...best nugget of the day, probably of the month. I'm putting that in my hip pocket to use later.
"can't have enough lighting"
agreed.!!
Thank you for answering some of these questions
I love this :D I have a tiny maker space. I think is is 7m^2 where I do all my modelling and electronics builds, 3d prints, etc. The space also serves as a guest room :'D And what Adam mentions is lovely - however well I have thought out the space, it was never OK and changed a LOT by using it :D It evolves with the person :D Lovely work here you guys! Have a nice one!
"I am not a problem to solve, I am a process to manage." That needs to be on a Tested t-shirt.
We would love to see you in your new shop. Going back and forth. Designing your new corners. It would be a whole bunch of vids 😁
Definitely!
I wish I had even half of your energy and enthusiasm, I could get so much accomplished.
Yes of course we needed to know you were going to take her on her walk! Thank you! 😊 So cool.
I did it. Thanks to this video, I spent the whole day tearing apart my studio space and completely rearranging it, bringing my oil painting studio from the basement to my upstairs. Now my basement is a wreck, so it';s time to turn it into a productive work area. This video has caused me to have about 30 hours of work but should result in some good outcomes.
Hey Adam, suggestion for new lighting would be to ensure you get LED lights that are below your hanging memorabilia, but shine light upwards towards said memorabilia but also downwards towards the shop. This will ensure you have unobstructed lighting for your project space while also preserving the lighting for your hanging items.
I recently tossed out an old couch that was taking up space in my studio space in the house. Only kept my rolls of leather hides on it.
But the moment I got rid of it my brain went "So much more room for activities!"
Rearranged my shelving and totes so that nothing is behind anything and is easy to grab without having to roll my easel or tools around.
Bigger spaces are always just so friggin' nice.
Look into high bay lights for the taller spaces....they have amazing led high bay lights now that do wonders for lighting up taller spaces.
Adam,Given your talents in both sketching and model building, would you be interested in showing us either a 2-D or a 3-D representation of The Savage Cave and the components within? I feel that it would help us as we create are own Maker Spaces.
When you talk about extra room, then looked up, my first thought was to extend the loft so you had a work area up there for light weight work, like felt or foam work
I remember talking with someone whose home was featured in Architectural Digest back in the late 1980's (I think that was a very different publication back then as opposed to what it is today but I don't want to digress) anyway they explained for the photo shoots the AD people staged or moved everything in the rooms around to give it a certain look. I asked the homeowner if they kept it the way the AD made it look or put it back to the old way. They said they put it back to the old way in most rooms and a couple rooms they rearranged furniture even more. They explained that while the AD pictures looked great the rooms didn't "work" for them and that was why they had to change them. I thought that was interesting and reminded me that nothing is really as static as we may think it is.
I just had a random thought while watching. Imagine this kind of q&a with inventors or thinkers from the past. In their personal spaces speaking freely. That would’ve been fascinating. Great vid as usual 👍
they do say that dogs mimic their owners - or vice versa, in this case its definitely the hairstyles :D
Love the work adam, all the way back from 2003 !
In my garage to get more wallspace, I built a ~6' tall wall that stands on its own that sections off half of the two-car garage into a three-walled space and gives an extra 16 feet of wall space.
Adam: “…taking [Maggie] on a big walk - you don’t need to know that”
Me: YES WE DO! TELL US ABOUT MAGGIE’S WALK!!
The answer to most of the stated problems is that you don't need to modify A space, you need multiple spaces. If you want to pull your car in and work on it you need a separate space for that. You need your main space where your tools and workbench are. If you want more wall space then you need a separate space for storage, where you can not just have a room with 4 walls but you can have shelving and/or intermediate walls so you have a lot more than just 4 walls in that space. And you exercise the same type of retrieval in that space as you do with your tools- the things that you need to retrieve often are on the walls in your main space, the things that you need to retrieve less frequently are in the storage space. And then I suspect you need another space to serve as an entry area and display area for the things you want to display.
I think the "solution" to the question is not to redesign the current shop but to purchase/build a new cave.
One in which Adam can design several rooms for various functions designing, building, and assembling functions. Each with their own tools and equipment. The way to get more wall space is to physically have more walls.
Dedicate a room to wood working tools/equipment, 1 to finishing/assembling, 1 to parts and storage.
Then your cave will be more organized and feel less cluttered.
You should get a new cave with a "Show room space" where you can put some of your costume/ projects/etc on display under or behind glass behind that would be the larger cave in two parts a work space and a actual man cave area where you can use to sit chill play pool and have your "coveted items" before they go to the Savage Display Center which I would have you add a shopping area which has various Tested and Adam Centric Tee shirts and coffee mugs etc. That way you might not charge a door fee but can still make some money from it.
No workshop is ever big enough and no workshop is ever finished. They replaced the lighting in my shop at work a couple of years ago, going from high efficiency fluorescent to LED and the contractor was concerned that it might be too bright. Not even close to too bright, especially as my eyes get older.
PLEEEESE!!!...... more Maggie in future videos.
I don’t know if there is a limit to the amount of Maggie I want to see.
"You don't need to know any of this"
Tell us more about the dog please.
my last dog taylor was a min pin and he was def when i got him at 10, it wasnt a bad thing, it took a little longer to train him cause i had to use hand signals only but once we had a them down he was a great dog, he never took his eyes off me. you should start using them clearly now while he can still hear so the transition will be easier, you will know when he cant hear cause he wont bark anymore
It would definitely be. A lot of work. But by reshuffling, you might find a way of organizing. That gives you more space that was previously taken up
Thanks for this one. My workshop space (leased) has been sold and it's unclear if the new owners will let us continue to lease the premises. I have been living in fear of having to move my space of 10 years. It's about the same size and about the same density ;)
Im sure im not the only one that would LOVE to see a shop build.
I changed to double row 8 foot LEDs as fluorescent retrofits. There is no separate power supply than the 120 volts...and they are incredible.¹
I'm going to need a grinectomy after seeing you interact with your four legged fuzzy companion of utter heart melting adorableness.
awesome and PERFECTLY said!
Yessir. Those ballasts in overhead lighting sucks to change. I think newer LED lights don't need them though. But older ones might. It still requires re-wiring. Very obnoxious to think about. :D
I would love to design a series of workstation 'cubes', not unlike the bins in a Sortimo that live in a grid well above the shop and that can be lowered, as needed and winched back up into place when the task is completed. Say.... A router table is a single cube. A drill press or band saw might be 1 x 2 cubes. A bench might be 1 by 4 'cubes', A table saw might be 2 by 4 cubes. Detachable hoisting cables on each 'cube' would all go to a bar on one wall where the winch can be slid along to work with the target cube by connecting the winch to a loop on the end of the cable and each cube has a cable hook anchored to the wall that is used to park the cube in its upper position. It would be similar to the rail of belaying pins on a wooden sailing vessel.
Or... A simpler implementation is to just mount a collection of cheap boat trailer winches on the wall.
Of course, the ceiling of the shop would need to be very robust to support the load.
Adam, Adam, Adam, I love listening to some of your Q & A, However I must point out the FIRST AID KIT should be VERY, VERY easy and quick to get to....
Easiest way to improve lighting in a shop is not to look up, but to look down. My grandpa had a dark gray floor in his garage, he was so tired of not being able to see anything, he put all of these lights up. About a year later, he decided to redo the epoxy on the floor. He changed to a very light gray, not very shiny, but not matte. The lighting was so bright, he actually unscrewed all of his fixtures he put up to add light
Hey Adam, don’t forget you would like a better compressed air distribution system, it was the subject of a recent question and you mentioned it as a sore point.
ooh yes , Adam & crew move into a large , empty space & design & install stuff .. that is a many-part series I & many other people would watch with huge interest
I have learned over the years that ALL shops expand to fill ALL available space (just like software). I have moved twice and tripled the size of my shop space each time and still can barley move. If I had 100,000 sq ft I would fill it all, and that is just with electronics, wood tools and a 6" metal lathe. (well and stock and parts :) ).
We agree. We think Adam would be the same way.
Archives got loads of walls space with rolling book shelfs. A similar solution could add tons of space and the clutter the shop. The big drawback is lack of overview.
Maggie needs her own luxurious nook in the new cave if you do end up moving within the next couple years. Doggie bed one day build!
You deserve a bigger space! Make it happen!
Love seeing Maggie in the Cave!
I always tell my clients that designing a new home is a process, not an event. It's kind of like life, as you noted, it's a process that is ever evolving.