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THE ULTIMATE GUIDE TO NOT WASTING YOUR MONEY ON YOUR PC!!!
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It can be so easy to get fooled into overspending... stuff looks flashy, water cooling is touted to be amazing, temperatures can ALWAYS go lower, GPUs can ALWAYS get quieter, and your drives can ALWAYS get a bit faster. That's why I wanted to break it down from CPU coolers, to CPUs, to GPUs, to SSDs, to Cases. To make it easier to MIN/MAX your PC, and actually notice what you are spending your money on. Hope this helps! Feel free to rage in the comments if you want.
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I'm still rocking my Corsair Hydro Series H150i PRO from 2018, been through 3 systems. and now cooling my 5800X3D..I went AIO coz it looks neater.
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@@robdreams Steve Rogers is that you? lol
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bro just made another banger video yet comments something stupid like this, this is why I love this channel.
Air cooling is the way. Cheaper, more reliable, and no pump noise.
You can get really competitive AIOs nowadays in price. Arctic at least here in the UK are god tier for that stuff. Also never had an issue with pump noise ever. I will say they are more reliable but I have also never had an issue with using one for literally 5+ years. I have literally never had one fail. I know an air cooler can last wayyyyy longer though so that is a huge W for a lot of people who want to save some on their new build they do, allowing an extra bit of cash towards the CPU or GPU.
@@lilpain1997I agree with you. I bought Corsair t170i I didn't remember the name. I bought it a year ago just for 170 euro, it has 5 years warranty. I use it to cool 13700k and I'm totally happy with AIO. My CPU doesn't goes above 70-75 degrees Celsius. Also big advantage is that you can put radiator where you want instead of putting heavy air cooler on motherboard and have risk that it will bend motherboard overtime. In my opinion paying a little bit more for AIO is win win.
I think arctic liquid freezer III 360mm aio is one of if not the best cooler for amd processors (performance is worse on intel), and is sub £70. Worth it imo.
@@GeneralS1mba i thought their new ones come with a contact frame
@lilpain1997
I just built my first ever PC and went with an Arctic lll 360mm AIO.
I was heavily debating going with air or aio cooling. I think either would be fine. Cooling a 7800x3d.
But from everything I saw, Arctic got special shout-outs as one of the best AIOs as well as being way cheaper than equal alternatives. So ultimately I went with it.
Very happy. I'm new to PC so don't have a lot of experience. But the CPU currently never goes above 57C in games. I assume that's a good temp 😂.
It's also basically dead silent compared to the case fans.
Not sure if I want or need to adjust the fan or pump curve, or what better settings would be. But as is right now I'm glad I went with this AIO and didnt overspend on a different brand. Looks very clean.
And the pump will die. When it does, you are in to spend the same amount of money, again. But when a fan dies on an air cooler, it cost 10 bucks to replace.
>hear fan bearing whirring
>replace cpu fan with noctua
>no more whirring
happy
Order the same AIO, swap the stickers, send it back and get a refund.
Here I heard it here 😂 that's legit the best strategy from personal experience working at retail it would 100%work we always look at stickers and serials so if it matches it's getting RMA @@Jackikins
@@Jackikins unethical life hack lol
I just built my first ever PC and went with an aio. Decided on an Arctic lll since from everything I saw Arctic is one of the best while costing way less.
So far I'm very happy with it. If it does fail earlier than is reasonable I'll go with air instead.
But I hope and expect the aio to last many years.
I think we overestimate how much we actually we want out of Pc and not actually having fun with it
Ye. Wont start playing new games just because you got a new PC
Yeah. I've never had one before so how would I know 😅
Yeah, I have a cheap laptop I was worried wouldn't be able to play AAA games. I dunno, it probably isn't, I haven't played a AAA game on it for months and I can't say I miss them.
Gets a new pc -
plays game -
bored -
plays lateset AAA game -
Slightly low frame -
sad -
looks for upgrade -
new GPUs over $700 -
P A N I C -
Saves money -
more processors -
put more things in the cart -
Builds another PC than upgrading the last one -
broke.
What?
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Hilarious!! 🤣 I will have to try Sponaorblock
Freeloader thinks he's funny or smth
I actually don't mind sponsor spots. Sometimes i actually hear about something I'm legitimately interested in. Usually I just tune it out until it's over 😊
@@ArtisChroniclesI skip instantly for the sponsors that I see so often. I don't need to hear about Brilliant or Raid Shadow Legends for the 400th time, I would skip.
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Companies like Corsair, Arctic, Lian Li etc. pay a lot of money to sponsor influencers so they show off their products in every video and people think they're living in a cave when they don't build a PC like this.
Yeah my PC is mounted to the wall of my cave to keep the water from the underground stream from ruining by basic black no frills components.
My GPU is white, my RAM kit is blue, my SSD and HDD are silver, my mobo is black with yellow stripes, no RGB. All in a windowless case. As long as it performs well, I honestly don't care about the looks.
I replaced my side panel with this server fan panel with 4 massive fans. Hooked up the fans to am adjustable voltage transformer to a very low setting and get massive airflow. I always turn off the power strip to my PC anyway so it's perfect and my 6950 XT went from 80 degrees to 65 degrees just replacing the side panel with the 4 fans panel. It's janky but I literally have zero desire to get any sort of proper setup. Even the $50 for a decent case can be added to the savings for my next CPU upgrade. No frills and all performance.
same, i recently built my first ever pc and i didn't bother looking at how parts looked, whether they had rgb or not. it still somehow came out looking good and stylish tho xd
The only looks that matter is the case. And that doesn't cost you more just to get a nice and sleek case. Nowadays often with fans already included.
@@christophermullins7163the fan panels are insanely expensive bro, no way
@@Noname-iq1gz I am in that line of work so it was free. Yes... $120+ minimum for the panel lol pretty sure this one was over $200 😂
I've spent $75 on CPU coolers in the past decade.
It's not about fun, it's about practicality. And fucking with a faulty AIO isn't "fun". I'll take that time and money saved and reinvest it into games.
I made the mistake of getting a corsair H100i v2 at one point. The v1 was a solid product, but the v2 didn't use enough anti corrosive in its mixture and many would end up with a failure due to corrosion. Mine included in that batch.
I later saw a post by a dude using his computer for work going through about 5 of them. All of then having the same failure.
I just switched back to air and never thought more about it after that.
I spent 12$ on Thermaltake white RGB; it makes ZERO noise.
@@HanSolo__ Yeah, air coolers in general are pretty frickin quiet now. The standout quiet boy performer for a while was the Hyper 212 Evo, but now there's at least six or seven fans out at market that are just as quiet or more quiet that still keep the CPU chilly, you've gotta be doing some real wild stuff to need AIO for anything other than aesthetics, and of course no shade to those who use them for build look reasons. But certainly if you're just looking for performance and value, you should steer very clear from that and just get a tower air cooler
@@ArtisChroniclesthe thermal right peerless assassin 120 SE ... Spent $30 on it. Sure my CPU is just an i7, but it's 14th gen, and even when running at 5.6 mhZ, the temps never even worry me. I rarely ever hear the sound of my fans, and my case is running 11 of them (if we count the 3 on the graphics card).
Maybe I got lucky with incredibly good airflow, maybe it's Maybelline. Or maybe, AIOs just aren't needed, lol
also, the money saved while getting similar performance (at least at 1440p, like with the 2 builds here) can be used for a better mouse, better keyboard, better audio (both speakers and headphones/IEMs) and of course a way better monitor (or multiple monitors) than someone originally would have gotten if they had used that money for the tower.
$400 is A LOT for a setup if used outside the PC.
Yeah. I made a whole desktop 🖥️ set up for 1500 dollars on newegg (to match a price range 😅). Also I didn't by that because I didn't have 1500$ to spend
Outside the PC is expensive, the PC built alone is 1,000 dollars depending on the knowledge you put into it
Consumers are trying to find reasons to purchase products
nope, the industry wnat that u buy all of their produrcts, or even better, all products from only one
The problem is: those apps lead to benchmaritis, which leads to overclockathon, followed by hardware envy
I've never built a PC before, but I plan to by the end of the year, and I recently found your channel, and it's been giving me great info.
Thank you.
I'm not in this for looks, I'm in it to spend a lot, and get even more. I don't plan to buy another PC for at least 6 years afterwards, if not longer.
What is your budget? What are your current specs if you have a list of parts?
@@MrAnimescrazy well I'm going to make a new build once I'm actually ready to start buying, but I'm shooting for about a 2k $ build.
i use water cooling because of it's small form and ease of install on mothearboard, instead of installing huge air cooler radiator. that's about it. that's real tangible pro of water cooling. also keep in mind that having radiator inside flows all that hot air inside the pc and then exhausts it via airflow, whereas water cooling flows all that hit outside right away, so even on ryzen 5 my gpu runs 5c cooler and my rams are cooler aswell, because that extra part heat isn't exhausted inside. it becomes even more important if u have heavily flawed gpu like 3090 which has extremely hot memory and that 5c temp drop becomes 10c temp drop.
Yeah. Finally someone
Majority of user installed AIO will be front mounted with fans blowing the hot air inside the case that will need just as many case fans required to expel the heat accumulated. So what really matters is case flow dynamics. Otherwise best scenario is having the radiator external and preferably in another room or outside...
@@UncannySense i haven't seen anyone around me installing AIO radiators in front. it dooesn't makes sense. unless one has absolutely zero understanding of airflow or no ability to use google (at which point i doubt they'll be able to install AIO anywhere for that matter) - noone would install it in the front.
I got almost insulted for putting a Thermalright PA with a 7800x3d. Everyone told me i had to buy a 240mm AIO.
i've seen a good amount of people using a LOW PROFILE AIR COOLER on the 7800x3d, and it was completely fine
Same. Except mine is Phantom Spirit cuz I want to support Thernalright for giving us the better Noctua performance.
Jeez, where were you where people were saying shit like that?
I honestly can't even imagine sleeping on the value of these air coolers. I think a lot of kids today just don't understand how unprecedented they were.
AIOs were actually great for a while, but that was back when you had to buy Noctua to get good air performance, which was in a similar price range. Ever since Thermalright decided they wanted to undercut the market it's been a no-brainer for any budget conscious gamer.
If you *really* want watercooling just because it's cool, then you should spend the fortune it takes to actually do it yourself. Otherwise air is a no-brainer and that's before you even start talking about longevity.
Reddit moment
When you don't realize the cpu will adapt to the cooler it's given...smh
i dont get AIO cooling for the better temps but to keep the temps out of my case.
I also like the tubes in my case and the added extra rgb fans. that is worth the price for me.
Agree with this - I've ran some pretty powerful GPUs (Vega 64/2080Ti/4080 Super) - all over 300W and some approaching 350W and I'd like to not have the heat dumped from them onto a CPU heatsink.
@@tourmaline07well you are clearly wrong.
Fun fact, i play at 4k 144hz on a 7900xtx and my CPU is a 7600 non X. Yes, because i will never need a better CPU to play at 4k, i will never be able to get 250fps. With a gigachad air cooler that runs at low speed the CPU never reach 60c. The only place i overspent is the GPU, to be able to also run its fans at low speed and have a super quiet system at full load.
What fan do you use?
i suppose for gaming u don't need ultra powerful cpus, unless u want to play minecraft with 64 render distance or cities skylines 2
With a 144Hz monitor 144FPS is all you need, but if you bought a 7600 you can most likely upgrade it later.
you are right, PCIE3 NVMEs are good enough. You dont need PCIE4.
but what you want are probably TLC cells instead of QVC. Also you probably want an NVME with DRAM cache. For this reason you should have chosen the Teamgroup M34 over the MP33. While both are PCIE3 (which is totally enough), only the MP34 has a DRAM cache
Hey buddy.. your brain is showing.
I've considered going back to an aio several times but what pulls me away is aio pumps go bad. It's guaranteed. But air coolers, the only thing that could go bad are the fans which are cheap replacements in comparison. Unless you're overclocking, you don't need those extra few degrees. Peerless Assassin all day long here and I have yet to hit high 70s.
I've had a fairly cheap Coolermaster ML240L running in my PC for six years now with the pump maxed - I do think it helps running pumps at a fixed RPM for the lifespan.
Prefer to have AIOs which has more thermal capacitance and so you don't need to have the fans ramping so aggressively as you would with an air cooler , which gets saturated quickly.
One thing to remember when building your pc is longevity. The x3d imho is the better budget choice if you plan to keep long term.
The same argument could be had for saving the money today to hold for a future CPU purchase in a few years. You pay more today for performance than you will in the future plus you don't need that performance today. The longevity argument is not a great one.
Thank you so much for this video. You have no idea how many setups I see with useless stuff that bumps up the price for absolutely no reason. People can spend those money on things that really matter like a stronger gpu/a better monitor but no.
and what to do to people who already got RTX 4080 which is literally enough for all currently but they got some spare money. Why everyone check each other's wallet I dont get it
Idk.. I have always built strong PCs without wasting a $. Got a 6950 XT 5600x build thati spent $800 total on. Min max is all I know.
I am using the COOLERMASTER Hyper 212X for my 5700x (65-100w) and it was fine with the FX 8350 (125w) costs 16 EUR. And it works fine.
If I could have found all the parts I would have reused mine too for sure.
@@Playingwith3Dyou don't need all the parts. I have my aio fastened with random brackets that didn't come with it. Lol CPU runs 40c while gaming and overclocked so it's doing it's job.
@@christophermullins7163 That is the performance I remember from it. I used it on the FX8320 space heater at the time and it would keep it at around 32c all times. I have a 5800x with an AIO and its always running between 60-70c
Just recently got back into pc building and really enjoy your content! Two thumbs up, keep up the good work 👍👍
This sounded deep yo, like actually like a movie, The build up explaining the terrible situation then quoting :"This is how you escape the Republic !!!"
I have the Peerless Assassin ARGB. It was $42 Canadian, looks great, runs cool and quiet. Used Arctic MX-6 instead of stock paste.
Buy a good air cooler, put the money you save towards a better graphics card. That will make your system run better for the same overall price.
never in my life have I ever learnt so much from a singular youtube video. Thank you so much for educating me on something i had no idea about but was just soo obvious. you truly are underrated vex. been a sub since 40k i think. i usually dont comment but i mean yah
I have EXACTLY 2 reasons for using an AIO.
It looks nicer and when i build a PC for fun and sell it, it's less likely to be damaged while moving it around with an AIO rather than a tower cooler.
I just recently went from a 280mm aio to a Noctua air cooler. It's significantly quieter because of that pump and cools basically the same. I work from home and use the computer for roughly 10-13 hours a day. The noise reduction was worth the trade.
How do you get any work done if you're gaming for 10-13 hours a day? That some serious multitasking. Props.
@@christophermullins7163 lol. I wish I could game that much. More like 1-2 hours of gaming and 10 hours working
@@christophermullins7163 he never mentioned gaming. Focus 😂
@@redbunnyclassic I know..
Just got a Sapphire RX 7800 XT and it's a banger.
I think that’s what I’m getting. What model did you pick up?
I have purchased Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE yeasterday and seeing this video made my day better.
Watching your videos helps me enjoy the house chores while doing it. Not gonna lie, I’m doing dishes while watching this video and finished exactly when the video ended. 😂
About this video, I was thinking of going for AIO water cooler CPU Fan, but my mid tower is not good for it, and I realized that I don’t need it for I’m only rocking a Ryzen 5 5600G, which is not that powerful for intensive tasks. I’m still using a used RTX 2060S tho, and I’m contented with its performance 😄
This was a helpful video. Thanks.
First of all, great video, spent too much on cooling when i was inexperienced and now I recomment air cooling for most of my friends but about the sound, maybe the pumpsound comes from the pump not being at the utmost top spot of the loop. Maybe it only looks like this in the shot but if the pump gets filled with air that often gives annoying sounds as u know :)
I still love the art of air cooling; you have to plan the airflow, use the smallest case possible to reduce the volume of air your fans move and if you do it right, you can match some AIO temps. Watercooling is still overkill and expensive for most builds but people keep falling for it as the 'ultimate cooling'.
Less than £70 aio isn't that bad.
@@GeneralS1mba yeah, decent air coolers aren't cheap either and problem is many cheap ones are trash, that pushes more people towards AIO..also case art; a big brick is less sexy that glowing tubes and led stripes..and ther theres the install-n-forget comfort of that brick...as someone once said "It just works"😁
I’m hyped that you have a test bench now! Keep doing you fam. Only way is up.
Being compared to Linus and Jay is an insult. One would ideally want to be compared to Buildzoid or our lord and savior, Tech Jesus.
I will not watch either of those narcissistic douche bags. Tech Jesus is the way, the consumer advocate/informer we desperately need.
wtf are you on about. Both Linus and Jay are legends in the field. They've been doing THIS specifically for longer than most of you have been alive.
I still have the Noctua NH-U12P cooler I bought back in 2008 (!) - I just slapped a new Noctua fan on it replacing the old one and got the mounting kit for LGA 1200 for free from Noctua. it's cooling my 11700 without breaking sweat :).
Same. I'm on my second cpu with the same Noctua and have never had a temp issue. No reason to get water coolers unless you absolutely cannot fit one but can fit a water cooler, or if you just want one for aesthetics.
my whole watercooling loop cost less than a noctua DH-15 and is needed for what horrible things I am doing to my GPU, and you absolutely can tell the difference.
because the cpu temp is lower is stays at max boost all the time in games, the GPU is overclocked, overvolted and running beyond its wattage(by double) and the typical gaming temps are between 38 and 46C/50C hotspot overclocked, down from 88C and pegging the hotspot at 110C stock cooler stock clocks.
am I the exception in this case?
A second hand Lowara D5 EK pump picked up for $20NZD, 380mm double thick rad and 240mm rad $18NZD, automotive 9.5mm hoses $10, brass 1/4" fittings with a 10mm hose barb on them(modified with a dremel), $0.5-1 each on clearance, coolant $1 on clearance(betcause no one wanted XT-1 in the color of hobo piss)
Good suggestions! I did one water cooling project back when most of the components had to be purchased from pet/home stores. Since then I've never had the desire to do water cooling again even though it's plug-n-play. 😄 It's cool seeing it go mainstream with AIOs, but yeah... their actual uses cases feel much more niche than popularity would suggest.
very well explained , thank you. Do a video were you compare older ryzen's to new and see how much of a difference there is , Ill be more willing to see your perspective on this.
I actually prefer the air cooler sound over that liquid cooler sound. That pump needs to be turned down a smidge. I hope they give better control over pump speed if they haven't provided it already.
Do you use open case?
For the case I was finding the Monotech AIR MAX 903 to be a good value for $70 (one time it was on sale for around $60). It comes with three RGB fans in the front and one regular fan in the back, RGB HUB, and comes in E-ATX form factor for extremely easy cable management and futureproofabity for AIO if one chooses to do so. In addition the build quality on it is really good. Moreover ANY GPU will fit in that thing because it’s an E ATX case and for $70 it’s a steal.
I hereby recommend this case for everyone including budget people.
High end components, full noctua cooling, and a solid panel case. The perfect build
Great video man, I am guilty of fomo and over spending on things I don't need. I'm in the process of building an itx build for travel and fighting myself to not go crazy specifically with a gpu as on my main rig I have a 4070ti.
Definitely agree with the points. when I first built my am4 build I could have saved on ram and fans by just getting plain colours and not RGB.
Yeah, it was nice for a week but now I don't like it and most of time when I do eventually use my pc it's on the window sill with the curtains in front of the glass panel 😂😅
Am definitely jealous of your blacked out pc asthetics
Good video! As a newbie to building, didn't factor in the motherboard updates issue with Intel. Got a 12900K with motherboard and 32gb ddr5 ram at microcenter for like 400 bucks. runs beautifully, not sure if Amd would have been better. Coulda saved 30-40 on my air cooler though.
I have an deepcool AK500 and that thing is great. At max load my 7800x3d hits 80ish degrees. Air cooling is way better imo. Unless you’re doing a custom loop then go with watercooling, but for most it’s just not worth the effort
When I built my current PC almost two years ago I got an AIO (which turned out to be overkill in the first place) on discount and only used it for like a year until I started getting Hotter Temps like 80-90c on a game a week earlier was only like 50c (took me awhile to diagnose the AIO after replacing my thermal paste). I then switched over and bought a Vetroo V5 cooler after seeing JTCs video on it.
As it turned out I think initially it cooled better than the AIO did. I also like not ever having to worry about the slim chance that something in my PC will leak and kill it. Of course I was told later that I probably needed to turn over my AIO/Case but I'd just rather deal with no liquid and less overall maintenance in my PC if I have to.
Awesome video! I've never understood people who buy chip CPU and GPU with overpriced motherboard and memory. In addition to that they buy expensive watercooling, tons of fans, and a fancy-looking case. I can understand people who don't care about performance and want a good-looking PC or have enough money for anything they want but if you don't have money and you spend everything on appearance it's just ridiculous.
I think the air cooler sounds more pleasant. This is a great informative video.
W video Vex💯💯💯
I bought a liquid cooler and it died in 3 years. I came in one day and im like wtf is cpu temp is going crazy high like 90. Went back to air cooler and stayed with air cooler ever since.
arctic gives 6 years warranty
you came in a liquid cooler? 😨😨😨
Does waranty cover the pump failure or they are gonna say it’s wear and tear and won’t be under waranty
Never had problem with NZXT AIO, you probably got unlucky
It's was a corsair, and liquid coolers have a high failure rate. Where air cooler is extremely rare. And it's easier to tell if an air cooler. I mean, just look at the fan. Where liquid cooler, it's the pump that failed, which, in my case it was.
One reason for the need of better cooling, is when you want get the largest benefits from PBO which allows you to sacrifice efficiency for a small performance boost, especially for the non-X3D parts where PBO can be pushed much harder.
Great video! Reasonable purchasing behavior and resisting the marketing bs is the way to go!
I use my cars old intercooler. Bonus of this is that the old engine oil residue helps reduce friction and wear on the CPU cores and increases multithreading performance.
Air coolers are gigantic now and make it a huge hassle to work around it (meaning ideally you would make it the last thing you install in your build). The problem however is when you want to tweak your build i.e change out the ram you are using, replace fans that just died etc you basically have to remove the air heatsink while with water cooling you can leave the pump in since its around the same size as the cpu socket itself. This is why I am going AIO water cooling for my next upgrade, creates so much more room around the motherboard to get your hands in to do what needs to be done.
A small note for the SSDs,
always check the rated endurance of the drive (TBW value) especially with cheap drives to ensure that it won't die within a few years.
Im runnin a 7600 and this CPU puts in the work I expect, so Im happy with it. Although, I do need a new case for better airflow since my GPU runs a bit too hot in newer games, was gonna get the NZXT H6 Flow, a fan hub and some extra fans later
Vex you need a discord! It’d be dope to talk about builds and such with your community
Good video ! About SSD - direct storage is the future so as current pricing stands in amazon U.S and EU gen 3 nvme and sata is the same price, and if you want to utilize direct storage you need at least gen 3 and higher(Also Forespoken uses direct storage).
Great video.👍
you used a DRAM-less ssd, is that fine for just games? They are cheaper but will they also have shorter lifespan, or get slower than an ssd with DRAM would the more they get filled up?
Really good video.
Question. What's the thermostat set to in your house or What's the temperature in the room?
13:56 while it wasn't my initial plan, I got a reference model 7800xt which imo has a much nicer side profile, end cap and backplate look than the gigabyte model I was initially after but was out of stock. I managed to bargain so it was cheaper too! Always look around on the day that you buy parts.
Another pleasant surprise was that it being thinner than the gigabyte model made for better airflow in my matx case
I live in a very hot country where average daytime temps are around 40-45 Celsius. Would you say a normal air cooler such as ak400 would be good enough for say a 7800x3d?
I 'd be down to see a video about the process you take when making videos from the concept to the full video edited since your content is really well made and very different than everyone else. I'm curious how you edit videos? What do you think about when making a video that makes your content so different? It's also a great time to show the work that goes into TH-cam video's since it's a LOT of work that people think takes 5 seconds, especially with benchmarking. I know you talked about it on the Broken Silicon podcast, but it would be cool to actually see it instead of hearing it plus more exposure.
I made the right choice I think! Motherboard- MSI Pro B650M-A wifi, GPU- Radeon sapphire RX 7700 XT Pulse 12GB, CPU- Ryzen 7 7700, Memory- Tforce 32gb 2X 16GB, CPU cooler- cooler master hyper 212 argb, Hard disk- kingston SNV2S200G 2TB
i've built a (£600 AM4) SFF PC and put in a Thermalright AXP90 X47 on the 5700x . its a great little cooler, however even with fan curve adjustments and a Noctua A9x14 this thing ramps up and is pretty noisy even went opening chrome. so my next addition will be to rip that out and put in a Arctic Freezer 3 ( it'll fit! just). in a bigger case Air cool all the way get your self a NH-U12A and be happy. but in a Meshlicious i am going for the best and quietest Water cooler on the market at half the price of a NH-U12A.
In a small pc case (which can be a must) for some person for space or just taste, liquid cooling is more advisable. If you 'need' a better air flow on all the pc components.
So It all depends on the build and needs of your PC, it can't really be measured by metrics or costs.
Yep, I have nr200p with noctua c14s pushpull 140mm on 7800x3d right now, it can get a bit toasty unless you lower thermal limit a bit and flip gpu fans to exhaust instead.
You are so right. I recently did mini itx build and even though in them liquid cooling makes more sense I went with air cooling and that saved me 50-100$ which I put towards 7800x3d and thats not all, instead of very expensive mother board I bought B650I AX from gigabyte which saved me close to 250$ compared to more popular choices like Asus ROG STRIX X670E-I GAMING WIFI which I used towards replacing 7800xt with 7900xt.
Do I miss something from liquid cooling or better motherboard?
No, my pc is almost silent when idle, cpu cooler is never louder than actual graphics card when gaming and cpu is not throtlling either. I could either save a lot of money or just like I did got much more performant pc
My current PC has a glass panel on the front and side, RGB lights, and an AIO but that's only because I bought it used. I made sure to look for one with a Ryzen 7 7700x in it because the RTX 4070 wouldn't utilize a better one anyway. In reality, I would prefer a silent case with no glass panels. I currently have the AIO set to only start the fans once the CPU hits 50°C and the same for the case fans. Does that also work with air coolers? If yes I might just sell the Case and AIO and get a used silent case and aircooler if it's cheaper.
you absolutely correct. 8:47 also keep in mind that those 10% faster is at 1080p with 4090 xD. when you actually play you will be GPU limited anyway. so yes, 7600/7600x/7700/7700x/7900x does makes sense for most people. buy 7800x3d only if you have 4080-4090/7900xtx GPUs.
Would using the cooler the non-X CPUs come with be wise if you're also going to enable that BIOS setting that increases the power draw to be similar to the X variant?
Hey guys need some opinions on my first PC. So I pulled the trigger on the 7800X3D Bundle at MicroCenter since I kept hearing that’s it’s the best CPU. But I hadn’t really done much research. So now I’m seeing that it might be a bit overkill. Was originally planning on pairing it with the new 7900 GRE. But now that I’m thinking about it if I return the bundle and get the 7700X bundle which is $100 cheaper I could use that money to pair it with a 7900 XT instead. Also plan on getting a 4K 144hz monitor since I plan to mostly play my games on 4K. What do y’all think? Also to note I would want to use the PC for work if needed.
I went with an all white build I built last year with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the phanteks nv7. The pc is a beast and I clean it once a month. I went with air cooling to keep it simple especially when I clean the pc.
No way that will cool it
@@JustSomeoneRandomProgrammer is this sarcasm? I have 12 fans in my build which is my profile picture. I play at native 2k or native 4k high settings with or without raytracing depending on the game and if I feel like using raytracing. My temps are very good and I deep clean the pc once a month maybe twice a month sometimes.
@@MrAnimescrazy i know. On text it sounds like i don't believe you
@JustSomeoneRandomProgrammer that is dumb because air cooled is the majority of pc builds. Liquid cooling is the minority.
@@MrAnimescrazy but wait
I have a 5800X3D my cooler is an ARCTIC Freezer 34 Esports Duo. Right now it is 41-44C in a 21C room. When I'm playing Cyberpunk 2077 it is around 69-71C. My GPU is a 6950XT $600 is what I got it for in May of 2023. It is going to last me a very long time. FPS in Cyberpunk on high @1080p is averaging 137.5. If I were to go to 1440p I'm sure I'd still get near 100FPS so I'm happy with my system.
My case is a Corsair Graphite Series 600T Mid-Tower Case. I got it 9 years ago for $139. It still does the job and keeps things cool and has all the space I need even for the big GPUs. I have added 2 $20 Scythe fans to the mesh side panel to give a bit more air to the GPU and CPU otherwise it is the same as when I bought it.
If I win the lottery ima make an entire PC out of pure gold just to flex my build on Reddit. Have it liquid-cooled with $10,000 champagne, giant precious gems for buttons. Shuck yea dawg.
As someone who’s never built a PC before (tho I am planning on my 1st PC build soon if not NOW) I ain’t afraid to admit those liquid coolers just scream red flags… air cooling ftw 🙏🏼🔥
In Germany the arctic liquid freezers 3's are way cheaper then in the US. I got my Arctic Freezer iii 240mm for 60€ and the 360mm one cost only 76€!!! For comparison, I could habe gotten a termalright peerless assasin dual for 35€, or since a few days the new Arctic duo 36. Bit the 240mm Arctic 3 was a really good value for 60€, so I'm happy with my purchase
I'm in the US and just built my first ever PC.
I went with the Arctic lll 360 aio since they seem like the absolute best quality and price. Around 80-90 dollars here for the 360. Very good in comparison to the other options. Seems like a similar price.
I'm pretty happy with it so far.
I'd like to see a passive cooler for CPUs, though i'm' worried about how big it may need to be, or what the thermal solution may have to be for the best efficiency.
I do build PCs on my network, currently running a test bench with a air cooler it does its job really well. It all falls on preferences and what case.
I'm running a the same 212 air cooler I installed 8 years ago on my daily PC. Put a Noctua Fan on it 4 years into its life. Still going. Cool temps. Meanwhile I can't count how many failed pump AIOs I've seen that conk out a few months after the warranty is over. Until a CPU cannot be cooled by a air cooler I'll be Air Jordan.
As a former no-AMD user I'm impressed with the Ryzen line today. GPUs are a hustle today. 1080p with my overpriced EVGA 3060ti keeps me happy.
I got a 7800x3d last week. the reason why i got one is because i mostly play tarkov and i got huge fps gains in that one game. i recomend playing Tarkov or watching videos comparing a non x3d chip to an x3d chip to see what happens when a game is able to take full advantage of the Level 3 cache
tarkov has dogshit performance thats why it needs an x3d part to even run properly
@@wingmanemu3473my dogs shit has stunning performance.
Or just buy a high end air cooler once and you never need to buy a CPU cooler again. The only things you need to replace are the fans at some point, but even they last long. Like Noctua fans come with 6 year warranty and probably last 10+ years. Also, high end air coolers beat these low end and even many of the mid tier AIO's and many times make less noise too.
my current go to is: get a thermalright peerless assassin or the cheaper 120 single tower depending on your CPU. instantly replace fan with a cheap, silent, reliable arctic fan 120 PWM PST, either RGB or non-RGB
i really need how cpu perform on low end or mid gpu ? i know not anyone care but we still need about test its worth upgrade cpu while still using low mid gpu ?
Pros got the arctic p12 fans, based af.
Also best budget case imo is the msi mag forge 100r £50 in the uk with 3 included fans that are decent, only downside is the snap off plates for the gpu slot covers.
Funny thing about AIO: you still have fans! But 18 months later I still love my RGB fans in front of NZXT H510 case.
I install 120mm water cooler only on small, constricted case builds.
For reasons of space and getting the heat directly out of the case.
One thing I only recently discovered, is turning PBO off drastically reduces the CPU temp (like 20 degrees cooler in my case) and still delivers almost the same performance. Now granted I'm not gaming at 1440P but in my own tests most games will run just fine with the boost off. Was just something I noticed one day, with PBO on it rams everything through 2 or 3 P cores and barely touches the rest and pretty much ignores HT altogether. Turning PBO off it just uses all the cores and HT to make up the difference. But the lower voltage going through the cores usually results in a much lower temp. And I'm just using the stock wraith cooler that came with my machine, a decent aftermarket cooler would probably lower the temps another 10 or 15 degrees. My rig with PBO on hits about 70 degrees playing things like forspoken etc, with PBO off the game runs just as well but cpu temp is only 51 lol. Even in Cinebench testing, with PBO on my temp hit 80, with it off it only hit 65. The score difference between the two was about 25 so no big deal. I'm not running one of the newer higher watt processors but I'm sure it would have an even greater impact on those due to drawing a lot less power.
The AIO is quieter than the air cooler if you optimize the fan speed and aim to have the same temperature. Assuming, of course, that it is not f***ed up by the pump, which is why I also stick to air cooling with CPUs.
I build a lot of PCs for myself, family, friends, etc. and pretty much learned long ago that AIOs are usually a waste, if not sometims worse than decent priced air coolers. then, one person demanded an AIO... I told them several experiences i had had in both my classes and building experience that have made me pretty much avoid non custom water cooling loops/AIOs ever since. But they were adamant. So... I gave them what they wanted. I've never bothered with another liquid cooler pre-built again, because even after 3 reseats and repastings, and then even LAPPING the cold plate because of how bad the cooling was, it's temp performance was pure shit. I even returned it thinking I got a bunk one... but got same performance.
I've never, EVER ran into thermal throttling or any heat issues at all with good air coolers. Pcs I've built over years as a rule max their temps at under 70C, across every build (aside from 3 i9s that were used for a lot of editing) aside from extreme rare cases of them absolutely TRYING to push the temps.
Don't avoid the enormous selection of great performing, reasonably priced air coolers. Take that extra $80+ and put it towards a better component elsewhere, and thank all the ppl telling you to do this later 😂
I am still on am4, looking to bump my ram to 32 gb (yeah games are poorly optimized now, and some have nasty leaks)
I upgraded to a 5600 a couple months ago and boy it's so much better, i'm probably gonna stay on am4 for a while ,perhaps upgrading to a 5900 non x variant at some point
Gpu wise, well, i got a 6600, and well, non of the gpu on the market seems relevant as an upgrade rn, perhaps the 5060 if nvidia gives it 12gb of vram ? I don't need a whole lot more power, as i render game and upscale them to 1440p so
Funny and on point since I just recently recommended a build with Peerless Assassin. Very goated cooler.
What we *need* and what we *want* are often two different things 🎉
I use liquid cooler to make PC more aesthetic in room
I didn't have to change out the fans on my Peerless Assassin...yet. Been about 8 months now and no issues. I have not ever seen my 5700x3d get over about 50 C - and just running CPU-Z stress test, it tops out at 40c (room temp 22.2 c)
It's been a while for this huge debate. And while there are some scenarios where water is better, AIOs the pumps break first all the time, sometimes they perform worse than a decently priced air cooler and you can't really refill it as far as I'm aware.
I came to the conclusion that if you're going water, go full JayZ or just go air. The extra price and hassle of an AIO that will last you at top performance for only 2 years or 3 maybe, is not worth it.
Edit: That motherboard VRM section was nuts. Learn a bunch, thanks a lot, great video!
You think that is frivolous, while when buying an average car, people pay between 500-1500€ from each: 1) different color paintjob 2) better radio 3) active suspension 4) infotainment screen 5) nicer rims, sun roof. Engine can cost thousands and even ten thousand more, even if it has the same amount of cylinders, same engine block and all, but maybe one extra turbo and a differently tuned chip. All in all, computers are mostly quite reasonably priced, except GPUs.
Phantom spirit is just amazing all around. Easy as can be to install, cheap as dirt and is a beast of a cooler.
I had to adjust my fan curve to be more aggressive on the CPU temp because my case fans would never speed up for my GPU lol