Thank you for including Sad But True as part of the demo! Not enough metal is played as demo material - and that genre can really help to stress test certain qualities/metrics!
Absolutely. I found that many systems that sound great on jazz, vocals and other easy-going music tend to fall apart as soon as it comes to hard rock and metal. Guitars may sound weak, tinny, and the much praised "PRAT" of a lot of systems goes down the drain. In many cases, metal will highlight the shortcomings.
@@georgedomse I would also suggest playing some Dimmu Borgir - it's got one of the densest yet most well mixed orchestra + metal music and is excellent to judge the resolving capabilities of any speaker!
@@georgedomse Ciao ho visto il video e mi sono iscritto al tuo canale youtube , mi sapresti consigliare dei buoni diffusori da scaffale sempre di queste dimensioni per ascoltare musica heavy metal ? faccio sempre le mie prove con l'album dei Metallica , attualmente ho le Wharfedale Denton 85th e un subwoofer SVS PB-1000
Both good but for different reasonns. The AE have that laid back softer British sound. With the AE the instruments are easier to place in the soundstage and music is not as fatiguing. I appreciate the detailed sound of the bass more in the 500. Dali has the brighter, more forward, presentation giving you that impressive live sound. Volume in the presentation a little off. For longer listening periods give me the AE 500. I own a few older Dali speakers. Maybe I just like the sound change.
I do like the AE500' but they cost nearly double the Dali in America right now. I also can't help but think the Dali sound is affected more by how close the sidewalls are more than the ae500's. I think the Dalis would sound more neutral in a bigger room. The Dalis definately rock better than the ae's.
Dali пытается понравиться и все их звучание преследует эту цель. Это прекрасно безусловно, но к верности звучания имеет мало общего. Бас раздут, он объемен выше необходимого и местами прижимает слушателя. Искрящиеся высокие создают ощущение легкости и прозрачности, но эти ощущения обманчивы. Похожий эффект достигается включением тонкомпенсации на усилителе. Оппонент играет сдержаннее, спокойнее и точнее. Он не хочет понравиться, его цель иная. Вокал AE500 передаёт правильнее, без гулкости и провала, меньше образов, но больше музыки. Первый потрясает и рождает эмоции, второй располагает слушать и слышать музыку. По идеологии, подаче звучания AE500 ближе к Оптиконам.
The mids blend so well with the HF on the 500s, I demoed them recently and the HF is just a big wow, I think honestly they maybe my next purchase, I don't have the Oberon 3s just the 1s very good little speaker, but the menuet se are just light years ahead, still my favourite nearfield speaker barr none . Acoustic energy make great speakers, the ae100 MK2 is insanely good for a budget price, my AE 301s still hang with the best at mid prices . Something moorish about the HF on the 500s . Thanks for the vid ..
Not really a fair comparison the AE500s 5 inch woofer can not compete with the 7 inch woofer in the Oberon. The AE500 sounds thin and anemic in comparison.
Thank you Metallica. This is how acoustics are tested. Not on Diana Kroll, but on Metallica). Objectively, when Hatfield began to sing, Dali's guitars faded into the background, and his voice remained in the foreground. And in the AE 500, both the voice and the guitars were heard at the same time. And Dali was also hummed. So for me AE is better).
Yes. In Acoustic Energy more natural warm sound, dali have boosted sound, not for long listening.I have a pair of cheep 109 mk2 ,before i want oberon 5,but i changed my mind.
AE500 did better over all. But without the metal track, would be a tough choice. Dali was just too V shaped for my taste. Both speakers are good. Dont know the prices yet, but I would pick AE.... If I had to... Still like my Elac References.
Just checked prices... Very glad I found Elac DBR62 speakers. Not gonna pay an extra $900 for a pretty face... No way. Elacs really are that good to my trained ear.
The thing is that the AE sound dark and not detailed enough. The clip is SPL matched, as they always are, but if you turn up the AE it gets better. By a bit. Not much.
Some speakers with some stands, yes. Some people say, it does even matter if its granite, marble or other material. It also depends on what your floor is made of. For me, it added some bass texture, I believe. If it was only placebo, I can"t judge.
First, let me say I like this kind of shootout! Dali certainly win based on bass weight and tightness. Also, the proximity of the side walls made the stereo image kind of blurry. Maybe in a bigger room they would have perform better, but I still appreciate the effort. Keep it up!
Did you recognize dalis volume is higher. Not much, but even one decibel counts. Dali sounds more muffled in base, not necessarily boomy, but not as resolving.
@@jennamoonchild I listen again and yo are right! They do sound a little bit stronger volumewise, but I am not sure if it will subjectively make much of a difference on being the better speaker.
@@louishamilton9648 I had a QED with the AE500 and now I have another cable. I don't think they are so warm to need a "bright" cable, at least in my setup.
@@RiseFall123you have a good point but they DO tend to lean towards the bright side. Gonna try pure copper on these as well. Either way a winning proposition. Perhaps the heavy damping plays a part.
Thanks. I just did another one between the Oberon 3's and the original KEF LS50, with (for me) surprising result. Stay tuned, it's uploading right now.
Both good, just different. At a VERY casual listen just now, they remind me of the differences I've observed in my Royd Minstrel Mk1 vs Royd Minstrel SE. Both good. Original Minstrel a bit lighter and brighter, and a bit unrestrained. SE's are more refined, more full, and more 'together', having a tighter, more complete and palpable sonic image, if a bit seemingly 'restrained' (they're not, really - just more controlled). I noticed the same differences between these two (although as said, I'm casually listening...there's a lot of other noise in the background atm, too, so take what I say with a grain of salt).
Gonna tell you if you think the Dali's have a better soundstage then get them IMMEDIATELY cause the AE's sound FANTASTIC. Can't go wrong with either. The AE'S are buttery smooth, whereas the Dali's are more forward. Matter of taste.
That is a very tough question. As a package, yes. It has a decent DAC built in, a really clean and matter-of-fact sound, but I'm missing some warmth and tasty midrange in it. When it comes to sound, the Marantz PM-16 and the Rega Elex-R are neck-on-neck (see my latest comparison video), they are confident and warm-ish sounding without losing detail - but no digital section whatsoever. If someone would point a gun at me end force me to choose, I would go with the Marantz and a really good DAC (maybe a Gustard) and a decent streamer (Lindemann Limetree). I am not ready yet to spend more money on hifi gear.
@@steventsimtsos4029 The Hegel H80 is a good choice. But so is the Arcam SA20, the Cambridge Audio CXA81 or CXA61 or even the Audiolab 6000a if you don't mind a very linear sound with no coloration/excitement. Plenty of choices in this price range.
I have a Audiolab 6000A (and CDT) and was considering the AE500, would you consider these a good match, and would the Dali be a better or worse choice? (my music preferences are rock and pop)
Would be cool, although those are two very different sounds. I had the Denton 80th, which is a really laid back sound with rolled off highs, but still very enjoyable to listen to. Great for rock and metal. I also sold the Oberon 3's. Next video is an amp shootout btw. the Marantz PM-16 and the Rega Elex-R.
At first listen I preferred the Dali, but after listening to both 3 times I favour the AE s. Just a little too much of everything with the Dali, The AEs sound more organised and revealing. Nice vid Cheers
really good demo. The difference was so pronounced that I could hear it via the iPad's speakers. I tried "Dream" on my system (KEF LS 50 Meta) and it was beyond sweet. However, Metalica was not so much. 🙂
@@larryh9525 I'm not in the US, and the sale does not apply to the EU. However, there are some online shops that sell the pair for around 850€. I'm contemplating whether to buy the LS50 Meta or the Dynaudio Evoke 10's again. Both have their pros and cons.
Prefer Dali more open sound. My taste of music is only classical music and for classical music need that more open sound. Now I have Sonus Faber, once I had Dali, I am moving to another house where my listening room is smaller so I am on search for new speakers, maybe Dali or Sonus Faber
Interesting choices. How would you compare the Oberon 3 to say Lumina II for classical, particular piano and human voice? I would guess the Lumina would have tighter but less prominent bass and more delicate high end extension. Don't know which would have better mids, stage depth and separation though or which would sound more natural. I have the Opticon 1s and for desktop they're nice enough. Lots of detail with some rounding off on notes. I like much better than Dynaudio Emits which lacked transparency to me. Also have Focal w series and Triangle Zetas which highlight lots of inner detail in comparison. I am trying to find something smaller but still fairly robust for classical as a main. Preferably under 15 inches, ideally no more than 13 in. without going overboard on price. Thanks.
Oberon 3 is way better than AE500, in every way. Clarity, sound quality and texture, it's not as delicate and refined as Oberon, stage is smaller, piano sound is less accurate (I play piano for decades, I tend to care about this), bass is soft and less controlled, on the edge of muddy (I am the type who generally doesn't care about bass at all, and pretty much dislike too much bass) . The result is a shock to me, because I kept seeing people say how good AE500 is, and Oberon 3 is not even my cup of tea!
Well, there are some of us who own small homes ("holes" as you call it) and others like you whose nation likes to invade other countries to have more space to listen to musc I guess? You are free to f-ck off.
@@georgedomse Идти на "на хер" должны твои любимые американцы, и можешь и ты вместе с ними, ибо "вторгатся в другие страны" как они мало кто еще так умеет.
Thank you for including Sad But True as part of the demo! Not enough metal is played as demo material - and that genre can really help to stress test certain qualities/metrics!
Absolutely. I found that many systems that sound great on jazz, vocals and other easy-going music tend to fall apart as soon as it comes to hard rock and metal. Guitars may sound weak, tinny, and the much praised "PRAT" of a lot of systems goes down the drain. In many cases, metal will highlight the shortcomings.
@@georgedomse I would also suggest playing some Dimmu Borgir - it's got one of the densest yet most well mixed orchestra + metal music and is excellent to judge the resolving capabilities of any speaker!
OPINO LO MISMO UNA DE LAS MEJORES PRUEBAS DE SONIDO ES EL METAL BIEN GRABADO ! GRACIAS.
@@georgedomse Ciao ho visto il video e mi sono iscritto al tuo canale youtube , mi sapresti consigliare dei buoni diffusori da scaffale sempre di queste dimensioni per ascoltare musica heavy metal ? faccio sempre le mie prove con l'album dei Metallica , attualmente ho le Wharfedale Denton 85th e un subwoofer SVS PB-1000
But at tze end, you are breaking the rights owned by the band...and that can lead to a lot of trouble...trust me. It's sad but true ....
I own AE520 and Im very impressed with them. But in this test i prefer the Dali
A ja mam Dali Oberon 3 i w tym teście jestem mile zaskoczony przez AE 500 :)
Both good but for different reasonns. The AE have that laid back softer British sound. With the AE the instruments are easier to place in the soundstage and music is not as fatiguing. I appreciate the detailed sound of the bass more in the 500. Dali has the brighter, more forward, presentation giving you that impressive live sound. Volume in the presentation a little off. For longer listening periods give me the AE 500. I own a few older Dali speakers. Maybe I just like the sound change.
Agree. Dali sound more like live music would. AE feels restrained by comparison.
I do like the AE500' but they cost nearly double the Dali in America right now. I also can't help but think the Dali sound is affected more by how close the sidewalls are more than the ae500's. I think the Dalis would sound more neutral in a bigger room. The Dalis definately rock better than the ae's.
The Oberons are hard to beat! My dream speakers!!!
They are cheap speakers so why not just buy them?
@@supergrissi$700 are they cheap enough?
@@lehrerolcay3218 In Denmark they are DKK 4000 which is about $ 560...
Dali пытается понравиться и все их звучание преследует эту цель. Это прекрасно безусловно, но к верности звучания имеет мало общего. Бас раздут, он объемен выше необходимого и местами прижимает слушателя. Искрящиеся высокие создают ощущение легкости и прозрачности, но эти ощущения обманчивы. Похожий эффект достигается включением тонкомпенсации на усилителе. Оппонент играет сдержаннее, спокойнее и точнее. Он не хочет понравиться, его цель иная. Вокал AE500 передаёт правильнее, без гулкости и провала, меньше образов, но больше музыки. Первый потрясает и рождает эмоции, второй располагает слушать и слышать музыку. По идеологии, подаче звучания AE500 ближе к Оптиконам.
ого😮
I like the Dali speakers
assolutamente! vincono sul basso piú preciso
Dali wow.
It has no problem with low-mid energy distribution, so that the sound is not tinny but full bodied.
The mids blend so well with the HF on the 500s, I demoed them recently and the HF is just a big wow, I think honestly they maybe my next purchase, I don't have the Oberon 3s just the 1s very good little speaker, but the menuet se are just light years ahead, still my favourite nearfield speaker barr none . Acoustic energy make great speakers, the ae100 MK2 is insanely good for a budget price, my AE 301s still hang with the best at mid prices . Something moorish about the HF on the 500s .
Thanks for the vid ..
Not really a fair comparison the AE500s 5 inch woofer can not compete with the 7 inch woofer in the Oberon. The AE500 sounds thin and anemic in comparison.
Thank you Metallica. This is how acoustics are tested. Not on Diana Kroll, but on Metallica). Objectively, when Hatfield began to sing, Dali's guitars faded into the background, and his voice remained in the foreground. And in the AE 500, both the voice and the guitars were heard at the same time. And Dali was also hummed. So for me AE is better).
👍
AE win for me
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AE 500 is better, but quality is worth it😌
AE500’s are more neutral sounding and easier on the ears. The Dali’s sound more scooped with deeper bass and unpleasant harshness in the treble.
Yes. In Acoustic Energy more natural warm sound, dali have boosted sound, not for long listening.I have a pair of cheep 109 mk2 ,before i want oberon 5,but i changed my mind.
I know Kari Bremnes album very well and it's bass heavy.Sidewalls/rear br is only asking for 'boominess'which I can hear in this video.
Something sounds different to me in the vocals. Maybe it’s more spacious on the Dali but the AE has stronger vocals but both sound great.
AE500 did better over all. But without the metal track, would be a tough choice. Dali was just too V shaped for my taste. Both speakers are good. Dont know the prices yet, but I would pick AE.... If I had to... Still like my Elac References.
Just checked prices... Very glad I found Elac DBR62 speakers. Not gonna pay an extra $900 for a pretty face... No way. Elacs really are that good to my trained ear.
Sounds like Ae500 is playing decibel or two in lower volume. When corrected, they sounds better to me.
The thing is that the AE sound dark and not detailed enough. The clip is SPL matched, as they always are, but if you turn up the AE it gets better. By a bit. Not much.
@@georgedomse I also hear the AE as playing lower volume and I hear their sound more detailed than the Dali which is more muffled...
detail is better on acoustics Dali, sound density and depth is greater on AE
The speakers perform better when you put this granite under them ?
Some speakers with some stands, yes. Some people say, it does even matter if its granite, marble or other material. It also depends on what your floor is made of. For me, it added some bass texture, I believe. If it was only placebo, I can"t judge.
First, let me say I like this kind of shootout! Dali certainly win based on bass weight and tightness. Also, the proximity of the side walls made the stereo image kind of blurry. Maybe in a bigger room they would have perform better, but I still appreciate the effort. Keep it up!
Did you recognize dalis volume is higher. Not much, but even one decibel counts. Dali sounds more muffled in base, not necessarily boomy, but not as resolving.
ae speedplay & rhythm
@@jennamoonchild I listen again and yo are right! They do sound a little bit stronger volumewise, but I am not sure if it will subjectively make much of a difference on being the better speaker.
Daaaaali 🎼🎼🎼🎼👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
👎👎👎👎dali
Just bought a pair of Ae500 and plan on using pure silver cabling with these..
What cable and why?
@@RiseFall123 pure silver as opposed to copper. Noticeably brighter. QED or DH labs.
@@RiseFall123QED…..noticeably brighter.
@@louishamilton9648 I had a QED with the AE500 and now I have another cable. I don't think they are so warm to need a "bright" cable, at least in my setup.
@@RiseFall123you have a good point but they DO tend to lean towards the bright side. Gonna try pure copper on these as well. Either way a winning proposition. Perhaps the heavy damping plays a part.
Taking into account that Dali is almost twice cheaper than AE500 ... 🤔 I must go to listen them alive.
I considered AE500 as KEF LS50 Meta rival 🤷
This is a tough shoot out. Thanks for the vid keep it up!
Thanks. I just did another one between the Oberon 3's and the original KEF LS50, with (for me) surprising result. Stay tuned, it's uploading right now.
@@georgedomse I'm looking forward to it mate
Both good, just different. At a VERY casual listen just now, they remind me of the differences I've observed in my Royd Minstrel Mk1 vs Royd Minstrel SE. Both good. Original Minstrel a bit lighter and brighter, and a bit unrestrained. SE's are more refined, more full, and more 'together', having a tighter, more complete and palpable sonic image, if a bit seemingly 'restrained' (they're not, really - just more controlled).
I noticed the same differences between these two (although as said, I'm casually listening...there's a lot of other noise in the background atm, too, so take what I say with a grain of salt).
Gonna tell you if you think the Dali's have a better soundstage then get them IMMEDIATELY cause the AE's sound FANTASTIC. Can't go wrong with either. The AE'S are buttery smooth, whereas the Dali's are more forward. Matter of taste.
makes sense
Is the Hegel 80 your perferred integrated amplifier of the ones you have used in your setup? Thank you
That is a very tough question. As a package, yes. It has a decent DAC built in, a really clean and matter-of-fact sound, but I'm missing some warmth and tasty midrange in it. When it comes to sound, the Marantz PM-16 and the Rega Elex-R are neck-on-neck (see my latest comparison video), they are confident and warm-ish sounding without losing detail - but no digital section whatsoever.
If someone would point a gun at me end force me to choose, I would go with the Marantz and a really good DAC (maybe a Gustard) and a decent streamer (Lindemann Limetree). I am not ready yet to spend more money on hifi gear.
@@georgedomse Thank you for your input. I am seeking an integrated amplifier with a good dac that doesn't break the piggy bank .
@@steventsimtsos4029 The Hegel H80 is a good choice. But so is the Arcam SA20, the Cambridge Audio CXA81 or CXA61 or even the Audiolab 6000a if you don't mind a very linear sound with no coloration/excitement. Plenty of choices in this price range.
I have a Audiolab 6000A (and CDT) and was considering the AE500, would you consider these a good match, and would the Dali be a better or worse choice? (my music preferences are rock and pop)
Acoustic Energy AE500 !!!
Ustawienia eq na wzmacniaczu byly na neutralnym ustawieniu czy basy byly podbite?
This amp does not have any EQ. Everything is flat.
oberon has a great bass,is heavier,full. energy is good but a mid range box
Dali Oberon 3 vs Wharfedale denton 85th?
Would be cool, although those are two very different sounds. I had the Denton 80th, which is a really laid back sound with rolled off highs, but still very enjoyable to listen to. Great for rock and metal.
I also sold the Oberon 3's. Next video is an amp shootout btw. the Marantz PM-16 and the Rega Elex-R.
At first listen I preferred the Dali, but after listening to both 3 times I favour the AE s. Just a little too much of everything with the Dali, The AEs sound more organised and revealing. Nice vid Cheers
Dali had more weight in the bass frequencies.
AE for me!
really good demo. The difference was so pronounced that I could hear it via the iPad's speakers. I tried "Dream" on my system (KEF LS 50 Meta) and it was beyond sweet. However, Metalica was not so much. 🙂
I loved my LS50 Metas. I think I will own another pair sometime in the near future.
@@georgedomse Are you aware they're on sale for $1300?
@@larryh9525 I'm not in the US, and the sale does not apply to the EU.
However, there are some online shops that sell the pair for around 850€.
I'm contemplating whether to buy the LS50 Meta or the Dynaudio Evoke 10's again. Both have their pros and cons.
@@georgedomse Wow that's amazing, talk about a good deal.
I can see only an absurd positining of the boxes !
See, there's your problem. You watch music.
Dali’s have a bigger soundstage, but the AE 500’s are more clearer.
ae1 classic kick asss dali oberon
AE500
AE ist etwas besser der Klang dagegen ist dalı mit dem Bass besser
Acoustic Energy winter. Midrange is more clear and natural.
Dali Oberon 3 wins. Is more live!
Dali 👍👍👍
dali👎
AE 500 is Allrounder!!
Prefer Dali more open sound. My taste of music is only classical music and for classical music need that more open sound. Now I have Sonus Faber, once I had Dali, I am moving to another house where my listening room is smaller so I am on search for new speakers, maybe Dali or Sonus Faber
Interesting choices. How would you compare the Oberon 3 to say Lumina II for classical, particular piano and human voice? I would guess the Lumina would have tighter but less prominent bass and more delicate high end extension. Don't know which would have better mids, stage depth and separation though or which would sound more natural.
I have the Opticon 1s and for desktop they're nice enough. Lots of detail with some rounding off on notes. I like much better than Dynaudio Emits which lacked transparency to me. Also have Focal w series and Triangle Zetas which highlight lots of inner detail in comparison. I am trying to find something smaller but still fairly robust for classical as a main. Preferably under 15 inches, ideally no more than 13 in. without going overboard on price. Thanks.
dali🤡
AE..more polished and Linear...Dali..up and at em sound, still good though!
Dali sounds nasal with more details on the side of AE
У Dali, чувствительность выше, это придаёт немного агрессии. AE, более размеренны, мягкое звучание. Оба экземпляра хороши.
Dali seems to have no competition in this price range
AE are more than double the price of the Dali!
Dali Oberon 3 sounds superior almost like listening to live band, the AE500 sounds like BOSE alarm clock from local Walmart.
The AEs seem recessed in the mid-range, I loose connection with them. The Dali's are much the better.
Yeah you know by watching a youtube video, sure.
dali 🤮
Dali -metallica sounds more natural and not so clamped down.
Dali 👎👎👎
Dali
my Dali Zensor 1 🙂
Acoustic Energy won🏆
Dali Oberon
Microphone?
Iphone 12.
Dali superior !!
Oberon 3 wins in 1st track
Dali win!!and more cheap ahahah
Dali ganha sempre para ti 🤣🤣
Nine!
Not if you get the AE's for a friendly price.
IMO Dali's more 'in your face', while 500's buttery smooth.
Different amplifier & speaker brand combinations sound quite different not forgetting room acoustics 🎶
Dali is way better, AE sounds poor, but has a rich price.
surprise! AE win for me
AE is better
Dali.
Ae500 more control. Dali in your face.
Dali лучше звучат
Oberon 3 is way better than AE500, in every way. Clarity, sound quality and texture, it's not as delicate and refined as Oberon, stage is smaller, piano sound is less accurate (I play piano for decades, I tend to care about this), bass is soft and less controlled, on the edge of muddy (I am the type who generally doesn't care about bass at all, and pretty much dislike too much bass) . The result is a shock to me, because I kept seeing people say how good AE500 is, and Oberon 3 is not even my cup of tea!
dali... cheap and easy to match. i buy this, a very good deal for a short and light use, for long time enjoying music… no la
AE !!!
Essa Dali não convence ...
В такой яме нельзя слушать вообще НИЧЕГО 😢
Well, there are some of us who own small homes ("holes" as you call it) and others like you whose nation likes to invade other countries to have more space to listen to musc I guess?
You are free to f-ck off.
@@georgedomse
Идти на "на хер" должны твои любимые американцы, и можешь и ты вместе с ними, ибо "вторгатся в другие страны" как они мало кто еще так умеет.
@@georgedomseas Ukrainian, I want to thank you for your position! Well answered!
DALI EN SAD BUT TRUE SE COME CON ZAPATOS AL OPONENTE !!!!
Dali