taught to pass tests not to understand what the test is teaching test are gay smaller schools always have close to 100% grad rates because they befriend the students they make it a community to learn rather that a learning facility
As a teacher you also have to be worried about cognitive overload. Learning is sequential. If you didn't master the concepts you're building now, then if I taught you something on the next level at best it'll spark curiosity and at worst it'll break what you're currently building. Definitely teach for comprehension instead of teach for a test, but also don't tackle too much at once.
Indeed, and this is tragic especically when these questions they ask of their life purposes and meanings are to be rejected🔆. Also, our existence in this materialistic society expects us to be sucessful, to maintain this Academic Excellence🎓, where all our lives are to be judged by the quantities of our results📑 in its marks🔢, than of our qualtities💫 of our processes♻️ found in our own abilities. And this Academic System🎓, I'm afraid, will not be an system that will work for all where they will find their own education, as its too standardised, gripped in its boundaries and expectations where students are told what to and to not do, in the same day, way and pathways with no choices that those who are stressed out are enought to commit suicide. But do not despair, for there are movements like the MakeSchool (Founded by an MIT Dropout to replace Higher Ed), EduReform as well as the EduMake Group that are coming. And with them all, carries a new system that they are all working on and already, its has been taking shape for our future!✊
I don't have that experience. Learning through online research and educational videos compliments learning at school, and learning at school compliments learning through online research and educational videos. Together, it forms a positive feedback loop: learning at school generates ideas I can learn about in-depth through research, and I use that information in school, which generates more ideas I can learm in-depth about, which I use in school, etc. etc.
@@albertjackinsonDuring upper comprehensive school, I came across all these great education videos by channels like Nurdrage, Vsauce, Minutephysics and Minuteearth. These videos taught me so much about the whole world I was often the one "asking good questions" and giving extra knowledge and 'fact checks' during the lesson.
Those who run the plantation don’t want their slaves to develop critical thinking skills. The slaves might learn to pick the locks on their chains. Then whose gonna work their fields.
machines built by people who critically think roflmao. I love how people look at the western world as this vile disgusting evil creature that is destroying humanity and human rights. 200 years ago over 80% of the population of even America were "working the fields" now the vast number of opportunities we have is thanks to this system. of the cost is of living in the most advanced most free most prosperous country on the planet is simply going to work I would gladly have that over being a free cave man.
@@mayainverse9429 200 years ago that was the 'American Dream'. Come to America to own your own patch of land, run your farm, raise your kids and just live life. Sure there are vast amounts of opportunities now, but how many people actual get them? Probably that same 20% that didn't work on farms 200 years ago. The majority of people now drive to their 9-5 job in a car they don't own, go home to a house they don't own, and get paid just enough to make it to the next pay check. Sure is a lot of opportunity there. And I wouldn't call having to give 20% of my income away, forced to pay auto insurance, forcing my kids to wake up too early to go to a disease filled, soul sucking, curiosity burning 'school', even if what they teach is against my beliefs (which btw is a major part of the reason this county even exists), being told what I can and can't put in my body, not being able to drive without a special card, and if I'm too poor to afford food, because all my money is going to everything I just listed and more, I can't even hunt or fish for my food without a special card that says I'm allowed to. How in the hell would you call that freedom?
HaunT travel to other parts of the world and you’ll realize just how easy we have it. There are millions, probably billions, that would do absolutely anything to be in America and be poor.
I don't remember shit from public school. I've only remembered stuff from teachers that cared to interact with their students on a human level and not on a "I'm big your small level."
The school system needs to teach more practical things that people use EVERYDAY in life, wanna be a scientist well that is what further education is for.
I was super curious about electricity and electronics. Went in to electrical engineering and now I hate my life and any interest I had has been ruined.
Totally agree. When I'm introduced to new projects or tasks at work my first thought is "I don't know how to do this" however it's the excitement of knowing that I Will know how to do this by the time I'm finished.
I have learnt way more since I left education following my own curiosity. The teachers I had only 1 was supportive to ANY path I was to choose and she pushed it , whatever the student dreamt she tried to help all of them reach their goal. Yet 99% of all of the other teachers I had really didn’t do anything close to that it was just like they turned up everyday for their pay check , pretty sad really but I hope with all these recent lockdowns we’re experiencing that people are able to follow their curiosity and not a curriculum
The problem with education is that the kids are not following what makes them curious. Kids want to learn... what they want to learn, not what others want them to learn. That's a big reason why i'm home schooling. If my kid wants to spend two weeks learning about every breed of spiders out there or spend a week looking into a telescope every night then have at it. As long as she's learning.
I always debated home schooling because eventually they'll have to go to college and while free learning is great somehow I think that'd probably stunt a part of my kids growth once they get to college. I don't know why.
Home schooled kids can't just learn what they want to learn, there's things in every subject they are required to learn. Home schooling unfortunately denies them the most important lessons school has to offer, interactions with other people, personal relationships, and overall social skills. Denying them of this will severely cripple their personalities, and cause more problems later in life than you can imagine. Please send them to school and allow them to train for the real world. Sending them to school doesn't mean you can't teach them anything they want to learn. And you'd be amazed at how teachers have really smartened up over the years, and realize half the shit we used to be taught is either incorrect, or just pointless. School has come a long, long way over the years. Give it a chance
Relationships? I graduated from HS 18 years ago. Don't talk to a single fucker I went to school with. Second, kids learn how to socialize mostly between the ages of 2 and 4 and the brain is 90% developed by the time their 6. Im not letting politically correct self hating and society hating jerk offs teach my kids. I don't want my kids around all these broken kifs from broken homes being a bad influence on my kids. Take your public school and shove it up your ass.
The problem with curiosity inside the American system (driven entirely by the American economy, which is driven entirely by the large corporations) is that there's little incentive. Society pushes us into cubicles and keeps our earnings flat. Often, if we have a good idea, the boss takes credit for it themselves. People shut down because there's nothing in it for them. We try for many years to get ahead, but it never goes anywhere. You have to be young, smart, good looking, college educated, socially adept, unscrupulous, and lucky. And if all else fails, you've got to have a rich dad or uncle. If you aren't any of those things (and god forbid if you're not white) then you are screwed.
After 12 years of school the schooling system broke my learning and curiosity. Now i wish i kepted what i had but thats life we are in and needs too change
My father has been a teacher for 25 years now. He’s in the art department of a high school so I’ve heard every complaint from him about things from budgets to standardized testing. The system has evolved specifically around a system of standard learning without giving students room to explore their own creativity or desires until they graduate and are told they have to pay $20,000 a year to learn how to be creative. Not all teachers are bad, or built by the current system. A lot of them see the flaws too
Why are everyone required to have a certain amount of skill when they end school? (9th grade in particular). If everyone was curious to learn more, why would it matter how many formulas then can remember on top of their head that very day the exam goes? It's so stupid! No one remembers that shit after a couple of years anyways since they were only learning it because they had to.
Like the incredibles movie, "why would they change math? Math is math!" My kids bring home so much bs for the new way to do it and need to show the work on the problem otherwise its wrong when they already know the answer because they memorized the flash cards.
@@adriangonzalez4449 you learn flash cards in elementary school, you should already know the process right. They are making it way more complicated than it needs too. We all went thru this.
An "adjustment"? How about a complete overhaul? Before the Dept Of Education was founded, the US was no. 2 in the world for overall educational quality (only behind Australia). Ever since our inept federal leaders took control, we've been on a steep descent. Now we are 18th. And we spend more money on education than any other country in the world. Good job Washington.
School turns learning into a chore some how it managed to take all of interest I had im microorganisms away my favorite topic in science and school ruined it for me. Children and young people in general are curious about the world yet not wile attending school.
The key is to put yourself in a position where you can help. Whether it be managing a company or even something as simple as having a family and homeschooling them so that you can raise them to be free thinkers. The people who bother me, which is probably most of this comment section, are the ones who complain about the school system, so never try and end up just mad at the world. They never do anything with their lives. A bad system is not a reason to give up.
As soon as education became compulsory and heavily regulated by the government, its quality went down the drain. Some people will never push themselves to learn or do better in life, yet we cram them into a large cinderblock building for 7 hours a day and waste time and resources better used on people that are actually grateful for an education. Even worse, the amount of forced standards and the cookie cutter track kids are forced onto just leaves highschool graduates with no real skills or expertise in a field of work. Imagine for a moment if people left highschool with the knowledge and training required to land a job with an easy $60,000-$80,000 salary, social mobility would be in full swing! But no, instead all the important stuff people need to learn is reserved for college where it costs more money for the student, meanwhile highschool continues to be a glorified daycare that provides only semi-important knowledge that everybody and their mother can learn from a library on their own time.
Job: Here's a new task Me: Sure I'll do it.. but you better pay me more lol.
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get the govt outta way from the education. The future is unschooling (sudbury valley/ sumerhill school type), using "khan academy" system - that's the way
Kahn academy type would be a great reform. I saw him do an interview about taking age away from the way we compartmentalize education. Instead if a 5 year old can learn algebra teach algebra even if their reading is at a lower level. However, it's not specifically the government's fault there are like 2 textbook corporations that have a lot of control over how school works because they require that only their products are used.
I only had to look at the title to know I’ll probably agree with the opinion because all I thought was “no shit”. I’m a product of the American public educational system and just about the only things I learned came from me reading books on my own. Pitiful
Joe, Neil, thank you so much, such true words. I just went back to college and every day it feels like "these kids are here to go to college- I'm here to learn".
That's one of my *MAJOR* pet peeves: "Not my job." Your job is to make money for the company you work for. Or in the case of a charity, to help the needy get what they need. It all comes down to that. "Not your job? Your job is whatever it takes to get the objective accomplished." I was actually sorry to graduate from high school. I knew I didn't know enough. Of course I realize now no matter how much I had learned in school, I wouldn't have been ready for adult life. The only way to be ready is to just do it and figure it out as you go along.
I remember in my first job this guy in his 50 ask me why kept talking and asking question like I was 10. I now earn double what he earns and took 2 year. You Know Way because I found how it worked instead of going along with it. Why are we getting paid 8 pound a hour to cut this hedge if in the privte sector we could charge 30 for 30 min work
Schools need a way to assess if the students are learning and if the teachers are doing their jobs. The solution is standardized tests. Then what happens is teachers get pressured to have good scores in their class, so there's little room to differentiate your teaching to what they're interested and curious about. And then the worst part of all happens, teachers start teaching for the test instead of teaching for comprehension. Learning is about comprehension, but test taking strategies is memorizing procedures. Memorizing procedures does not foster curiosity, rather it feels like a chore. Comprehending the world around you is what's going to lead to questioning it and life long curiosity. So there's the problem. Which genius here is going to solve it?
Yeah, Forcing kids to learn something they have no interest in and punishing them for not doing it is Education.................That’s one of my Strongest points in arguing about it. Like Basic Math! Adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. That’s literally the ONLY form of math you’ll use in your life without using calculator or computer. Advanced Math like random equations 7xa-81t
What's worse is, the school system's malfuckery is more than a one-dimensional problem. Having a social life and an interest in learning are instrumental to the well-being of all humans, and schools make you think you're getting both when you're actually getting neither. They surround you with peers but tell you to shut up and do your work in a monotone classroom. You decide you want a good grade and that the discipline of shutting up and working is worth it, but the work you're forced to do is pointless. You get home and desperately crave free time to learn and socialize on your own, but you now have more pointless work to stress you out in the form of homework and no friends to hang out with because you decided to discipline yourself for work that wasn't socially involved. Oh, and then you get depressed from a lack of engaging work and friends, which hurts your performance even more.
I've been saying something similar regarding how people think school socializes children the best, which i'd say is usually not the case. Sometimes i've been confused as to how people even come to the conclusion that public schooling enhances socialization when most of the school day is spent sanctioning students to have a silent and sedentary lifestyle of compliance that stifles socialization. Interactions with other people are usually fixated on following approved responses that help develop a good reputation with academia but when people try to use clubs, sports, etc.., as a prime example, that example becomes counterintuitive when developing deeper connections with other people is usually associated outside of school, as extracurricular/co-curricular activities or other special events have a separated focus on what the core curriculum represents. Unless you are a complete extravert who made groups of friends or are lucky enough to have the ability to mingle or connect with people, you're going to find that public school is built on the antisocial premise of making kids obediently silent for the majority of their day so that way they all think as similar as possible in order to focus on a similar monotonous purpose, even if it goes against their own sanity of their best interests at heart. Personal relationships are usually achieved outside of school to avoid disruption and when there is a focus on developing social and emotional intelligence with others in school, it's usually predicated upon conditional processes of behaviorism rather then a conjunction of newfound individual curiosity and an empathy for humanity with interpersonal connections for community goals. If anything, it's possibly even more antisocial then what people think homeschooling entails because unless you have overcontrolling parents, you're loving and nurturing parents are not inculcating you against you're own volition to sit in a restricted room or area throughout most of you're day and you have the option to learn or connect with other people in the world around you, whether it would be you're neighborhood, library, store, etc..... No offense, but I find it hypocritical how people are automatically critical to the possible isolation of homeschooling yet never considered how isolating a public schooling experience can be as well?
Eh... We need metal workers, wood workers, we need truck drivers and farmers and sewage maintenance, etc. We live in a society that is filled with technology thought of by scientists and engineers, but who built those devices? Who transported them? Who made their white lab coats and white boards, transported the coffee beans for them, run and maintain the electrical grid for them to have light? I understand wanting school to be the place to rejuvenate our curiosity and give us great thinking skills, but ideally school should prepare us to run our modern societies (and yes it doesn't do that well either).
It seems like the system is designed to educate to the level of supermarket manager, and no further, whilst instilling an attitude of pretentious contempt and spiteful indignation towards the general public.
It would be refreshing to see/hear a new Presidential Candidate really focus on the Public Education system. Present a legitimate plan that is positive and backs teachers. Might get a lot of votes.
abolish the school system after 3rd grade. really anything past reading and writing is pretty useless. the government has your brain for 12 years you are just barely qualified to flip burgers. and 4 years in a university you can engineer skyscrapes among other amazing things. ever since the government has taken control of universities it has only gotten radically more expensive while producing significantly lower results
Here is a task i need you to do? Is it NEW and still part of me getting paid for it? I'll do it. Is it outside of my job description and I'm not getting paid for it? No.
What he talks about in 2:50 sometimes involves different factors. I’m not trained to do this task but I really want to learn. Oh wait, if I fuck up I could lose my license and get sued because I should have know I was not trained to do his.
I had a teacher that told me clear as a bell, “ when you stop learning, that is seeking knowledge, you begin to die” This sticks with me to this day. Fast forward My kid was flatly told “we lose $60 per every absent kid per day” so they are required to be actually at school 90% of scheduled days But if that miss ONE period they are counted as a whole day missed
I do find it very strange that every child/teen all are taught the exact same thing for hundreds of years. It’s like we’re all robots (I’m not educated enough) to try and get my point across but it’s sounds good in my head hahah
What nobody talks about is the fact that at least 80% of all students don’t want to learn. As a teacher you can only do so much. Most of the learning happens at home and parents are too scared to exercise authority
I'm not going to complain the education system that this should be here and this should be not...I just want to say education is super interesting thing only we have to think how we make it .
If workers had more freedom in the work place people would care about their jobs. It also wouldn't hurt if people got enough money in their paychecks to pay their bills after working hard all week.
The school system is garbage and by the time you're a teen, you know that. 9/10ths of the stuff they force you to learn above 6th grade, you'll never use again in your adult life. What they should be doing with that time is opening your mind to career choices and get you on the paths to general lifeskills and prerequisites to adult careers.
lol well that is kind of what they do you literally just said it in your statement. "90% of the stuff you learn is stuff you will never use again" yea because they are giving a diverse set of knowledge so you can get an idea of what path to go down. it does not matter what you teach a class full of kids 90% of everything everyone learns is going to be useless you can only make everything useful if you have a class of 10 year olds who you know who are 100% going to become engineers.
Mana Montana so maybe instead of doing it in a way that discourages kids from wanting to learn and being able to think critically and creatively they should have classes that actually teach us what career options we have and how those jobs really work. If you can’t get that connection into a kid they’ll just see it as a chore. I don’t care how many times my teacher says I can be a engineer or architect with math to me it’s just a chore requirement to leave after 4 years
I have learned more about science and astrophysics on TH-cam than I have in high school I am only 16 and have a very small knowledge of the topic but it is fun to learn how the fucking universes works when you have a guy like Neil and not some bored out of their mind divorced 50 something teacher saying the same lessons and and speeches 8 times a day
The city I live in shuts down twenty times a year for some sort of alcohol festival. Never has the city hired some scientists and mathematicians to come have some "get excited to learn" festival. Or had the heads of science and history and math departments from universities to come do a thing.
@@jonleach5950 I think anti intellectualism is pervasive through America. We circulate these ideal be your own boss narratives and don't push the need for critical thinking and interaction. So instead we focus on the most animalistic things like drinking, smoking, sex, and eating. There are always festivals and events for those things.
As a scientist he's probably used to only debating people coming through with hard researched, peer reviewed evidence and that's his mode of thinking. So when presented with a "climate change isn't real" debate he's not even going to try to engage.
The Public School System is a joke, has been for awhile. The kids are taught to pass tests, such a shame.
taught to pass tests not to understand what the test is teaching test are gay smaller schools always have close to 100% grad rates because they befriend the students they make it a community to learn rather that a learning facility
educated sheep.
Yup. Memorize answers for a test and move on.
Kids are taught to fall in line and not to question the system of standardized tests and Pavlov’s bells.
for a while? in my country, Thailand, it's been a joke forever.
I’ve heard a teacher say they wouldn’t answer a question because it wasn’t going to be on a test
As a teacher you also have to be worried about cognitive overload. Learning is sequential. If you didn't master the concepts you're building now, then if I taught you something on the next level at best it'll spark curiosity and at worst it'll break what you're currently building.
Definitely teach for comprehension instead of teach for a test, but also don't tackle too much at once.
Indeed, and this is tragic especically when these questions they ask of their life purposes and meanings are to be rejected🔆.
Also, our existence in this materialistic society expects us to be sucessful, to maintain this Academic Excellence🎓, where all our lives are to be judged by the quantities of our results📑 in its marks🔢, than of our qualtities💫 of our processes♻️ found in our own abilities.
And this Academic System🎓, I'm afraid, will not be an system that will work for all where they will find their own education, as its too standardised, gripped in its boundaries and expectations where students are told what to and to not do, in the same day, way and pathways with no choices that those who are stressed out are enought to commit suicide.
But do not despair, for there are movements like the MakeSchool (Founded by an MIT Dropout to replace Higher Ed), EduReform as well as the EduMake Group that are coming. And with them all, carries a new system that they are all working on and already, its has been taking shape for our future!✊
Yes
@@aero4157 answering a question wouldnt do any harm doe
I learned more being inside my house all day than at school. The education system is wack
I distinctly remember learning more by myself in the first year after high school than I was ever taught in high school.
Exactly
I don't have that experience. Learning through online research and educational videos compliments learning at school, and learning at school compliments learning through online research and educational videos. Together, it forms a positive feedback loop: learning at school generates ideas I can learn about in-depth through research, and I use that information in school, which generates more ideas I can learm in-depth about, which I use in school, etc. etc.
Yes...it is called ADD
I'm a jr and gonna be a senior next year
@@albertjackinsonDuring upper comprehensive school, I came across all these great education videos by channels like Nurdrage, Vsauce, Minutephysics and Minuteearth. These videos taught me so much about the whole world I was often the one "asking good questions" and giving extra knowledge and 'fact checks' during the lesson.
Those who run the plantation don’t want their slaves to develop critical thinking skills. The slaves might learn to pick the locks on their chains. Then whose gonna work their fields.
machines built by people who critically think roflmao. I love how people look at the western world as this vile disgusting evil creature that is destroying humanity and human rights. 200 years ago over 80% of the population of even America were "working the fields" now the vast number of opportunities we have is thanks to this system.
of the cost is of living in the most advanced most free most prosperous country on the planet is simply going to work I would gladly have that over being a free cave man.
@@mayainverse9429 200 years ago that was the 'American Dream'. Come to America to own your own patch of land, run your farm, raise your kids and just live life. Sure there are vast amounts of opportunities now, but how many people actual get them? Probably that same 20% that didn't work on farms 200 years ago. The majority of people now drive to their 9-5 job in a car they don't own, go home to a house they don't own, and get paid just enough to make it to the next pay check. Sure is a lot of opportunity there.
And I wouldn't call having to give 20% of my income away, forced to pay auto insurance, forcing my kids to wake up too early to go to a disease filled, soul sucking, curiosity burning 'school', even if what they teach is against my beliefs (which btw is a major part of the reason this county even exists), being told what I can and can't put in my body, not being able to drive without a special card, and if I'm too poor to afford food, because all my money is going to everything I just listed and more, I can't even hunt or fish for my food without a special card that says I'm allowed to. How in the hell would you call that freedom?
HaunT travel to other parts of the world and you’ll realize just how easy we have it. There are millions, probably billions, that would do absolutely anything to be in America and be poor.
I don't remember shit from public school. I've only remembered stuff from teachers that cared to interact with their students on a human level and not on a "I'm big your small level."
@Username I respect your position as a member of the grammar police. #bluelivesmatter
The school system needs to teach more practical things that people use EVERYDAY in life, wanna be a scientist well that is what further education is for.
exactly
That's what your parents are supposed to teach you.
Joe "Eddie Bravo needs an intervention" Rogan
He's not wrong
“Can I say holy s***?”
Neil, have you ever listened to Joe’s show?
Oh shit! Neil deGrasse Tyson's on the podcast! This should be good
I do agree that comedians are smarter than average people.
I was super curious about electricity and electronics. Went in to electrical engineering and now I hate my life and any interest I had has been ruined.
So glad I had teachers at crucial ages that nurtured curiosity
The education system needs an education system
Totally agree. When I'm introduced to new projects or tasks at work my first thought is "I don't know how to do this" however it's the excitement of knowing that I Will know how to do this by the time I'm finished.
I have learnt way more since I left education following my own curiosity. The teachers I had only 1 was supportive to ANY path I was to choose and she pushed it , whatever the student dreamt she tried to help all of them reach their goal. Yet 99% of all of the other teachers I had really didn’t do anything close to that it was just like they turned up everyday for their pay check , pretty sad really but I hope with all these recent lockdowns we’re experiencing that people are able to follow their curiosity and not a curriculum
The problem with education is that the kids are not following what makes them curious. Kids want to learn... what they want to learn, not what others want them to learn. That's a big reason why i'm home schooling. If my kid wants to spend two weeks learning about every breed of spiders out there or spend a week looking into a telescope every night then have at it. As long as she's learning.
Spiders are a Chinese conspiracy
I always debated home schooling because eventually they'll have to go to college and while free learning is great somehow I think that'd probably stunt a part of my kids growth once they get to college. I don't know why.
Home schooled kids can't just learn what they want to learn, there's things in every subject they are required to learn. Home schooling unfortunately denies them the most important lessons school has to offer, interactions with other people, personal relationships, and overall social skills. Denying them of this will severely cripple their personalities, and cause more problems later in life than you can imagine. Please send them to school and allow them to train for the real world. Sending them to school doesn't mean you can't teach them anything they want to learn. And you'd be amazed at how teachers have really smartened up over the years, and realize half the shit we used to be taught is either incorrect, or just pointless. School has come a long, long way over the years. Give it a chance
Davorian Ware- You're absolutely correct
Relationships? I graduated from HS 18 years ago. Don't talk to a single fucker I went to school with. Second, kids learn how to socialize mostly between the ages of 2 and 4 and the brain is 90% developed by the time their 6. Im not letting politically correct self hating and society hating jerk offs teach my kids. I don't want my kids around all these broken kifs from broken homes being a bad influence on my kids. Take your public school and shove it up your ass.
The problem with curiosity inside the American system (driven entirely by the American economy, which is driven entirely by the large corporations) is that there's little incentive. Society pushes us into cubicles and keeps our earnings flat. Often, if we have a good idea, the boss takes credit for it themselves. People shut down because there's nothing in it for them. We try for many years to get ahead, but it never goes anywhere. You have to be young, smart, good looking, college educated, socially adept, unscrupulous, and lucky. And if all else fails, you've got to have a rich dad or uncle. If you aren't any of those things (and god forbid if you're not white) then you are screwed.
I've been preaching this for so long! Its good to see someone who finally sees how this affects our culture and youth.
Right on Joe and Neil. I still love learning but school was boring af. Art class and Technology were the only ones I enjoyed.
After 12 years of school the schooling system broke my learning and curiosity. Now i wish i kepted what i had but thats life we are in and needs too change
My father has been a teacher for 25 years now. He’s in the art department of a high school so I’ve heard every complaint from him about things from budgets to standardized testing. The system has evolved specifically around a system of standard learning without giving students room to explore their own creativity or desires until they graduate and are told they have to pay $20,000 a year to learn how to be creative. Not all teachers are bad, or built by the current system. A lot of them see the flaws too
I literally don’t remember anything I learned in school this past year, I can only imagine how much I won’t remember in ten years.
Why are everyone required to have a certain amount of skill when they end school? (9th grade in particular). If everyone was curious to learn more, why would it matter how many formulas then can remember on top of their head that very day the exam goes? It's so stupid! No one remembers that shit after a couple of years anyways since they were only learning it because they had to.
Ugh, I just love him so much
I do that all the time at my job "oh that's not my job description" but I still do it lol
Like the incredibles movie, "why would they change math? Math is math!" My kids bring home so much bs for the new way to do it and need to show the work on the problem otherwise its wrong when they already know the answer because they memorized the flash cards.
I think elementary school are trying to show the kids what's actually happening in math not just memorizing the answer
Also its good to show work for habits. I'm finished geometry thks year and i always had to have a notebook to get bird eye perspec5ive on sum of it
@@greasyham_sandwich3707 we are talking about early year stuff, this isn't calculus or trigonometry yet.
@@adriangonzalez4449 you learn flash cards in elementary school, you should already know the process right. They are making it way more complicated than it needs too. We all went thru this.
Tyson def sparked my space learning and earth awareness!!!
An "adjustment"? How about a complete overhaul? Before the Dept Of Education was founded, the US was no. 2 in the world for overall educational quality (only behind Australia). Ever since our inept federal leaders took control, we've been on a steep descent. Now we are 18th. And we spend more money on education than any other country in the world. Good job Washington.
So you want to go back to a time where most people couldn't afford to go to school, therefore most of society was illiterate.
Sin most Americans were illiterate in 1980? Wow who knew
public schools were started in the 1800's
Out of curiosity when was this?
but now it is much cheaper than in 1800, everything is cheaper thanks to tech progress => higher living standard
School turns learning into a chore some how it managed to take all of interest I had im microorganisms away my favorite topic in science and school ruined it for me. Children and young people in general are curious about the world yet not wile attending school.
The key is to put yourself in a position where you can help. Whether it be managing a company or even something as simple as having a family and homeschooling them so that you can raise them to be free thinkers. The people who bother me, which is probably most of this comment section, are the ones who complain about the school system, so never try and end up just mad at the world. They never do anything with their lives. A bad system is not a reason to give up.
As soon as education became compulsory and heavily regulated by the government, its quality went down the drain. Some people will never push themselves to learn or do better in life, yet we cram them into a large cinderblock building for 7 hours a day and waste time and resources better used on people that are actually grateful for an education. Even worse, the amount of forced standards and the cookie cutter track kids are forced onto just leaves highschool graduates with no real skills or expertise in a field of work. Imagine for a moment if people left highschool with the knowledge and training required to land a job with an easy $60,000-$80,000 salary, social mobility would be in full swing! But no, instead all the important stuff people need to learn is reserved for college where it costs more money for the student, meanwhile highschool continues to be a glorified daycare that provides only semi-important knowledge that everybody and their mother can learn from a library on their own time.
Capitalism...
Job: Here's a new task
Me: Sure I'll do it.. but you better pay me more lol.
get the govt outta way from the education. The future is unschooling (sudbury valley/ sumerhill school type), using "khan academy" system - that's the way
Kahn academy type would be a great reform. I saw him do an interview about taking age away from the way we compartmentalize education. Instead if a 5 year old can learn algebra teach algebra even if their reading is at a lower level. However, it's not specifically the government's fault there are like 2 textbook corporations that have a lot of control over how school works because they require that only their products are used.
I did not expect to hear them singing Alice Cooper.
I literally did not learn anything until I entered college.
College is worse
I only had to look at the title to know I’ll probably agree with the opinion because all I thought was “no shit”. I’m a product of the American public educational system and just about the only things I learned came from me reading books on my own. Pitiful
Yes! I hated the boring, polyester-wearing teachers. I would have a smaller book opened inside my text book.
Joe, Neil, thank you so much, such true words. I just went back to college and every day it feels like "these kids are here to go to college- I'm here to learn".
Very well said.
I can listen to Neil all day. This man is deep!!!
Literally 90% percent of the things i know are things i learned myself , the education system is useless
The curiosity king is sheldon
I want to see Tyson on with Joey Diaz when he's on 1000mg
That's one of my *MAJOR* pet peeves: "Not my job." Your job is to make money for the company you work for. Or in the case of a charity, to help the needy get what they need. It all comes down to that. "Not your job? Your job is whatever it takes to get the objective accomplished." I was actually sorry to graduate from high school. I knew I didn't know enough. Of course I realize now no matter how much I had learned in school, I wouldn't have been ready for adult life. The only way to be ready is to just do it and figure it out as you go along.
Always nothing but profound wisdom from Neil De Grasse Tyson, true hero of our society!!
I like his politeness: "can I say holy shit?"
I remember in my first job this guy in his 50 ask me why kept talking and asking question like I was 10. I now earn double what he earns and took 2 year. You Know Way because I found how it worked
instead of going along with it. Why are we getting paid 8 pound a hour to cut this hedge if in the privte sector we could charge 30 for 30 min work
Schools need a way to assess if the students are learning and if the teachers are doing their jobs. The solution is standardized tests. Then what happens is teachers get pressured to have good scores in their class, so there's little room to differentiate your teaching to what they're interested and curious about. And then the worst part of all happens, teachers start teaching for the test instead of teaching for comprehension. Learning is about comprehension, but test taking strategies is memorizing procedures. Memorizing procedures does not foster curiosity, rather it feels like a chore. Comprehending the world around you is what's going to lead to questioning it and life long curiosity.
So there's the problem. Which genius here is going to solve it?
I only wanted to learn when I was done school.
Best guest ever!
0:55 LOL oh it’s forEVER?!
Adjustment is an understatement
Yeah, Forcing kids to learn something they have no interest in and punishing them for not doing it is Education.................That’s one of my Strongest points in arguing about it.
Like Basic Math! Adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. That’s literally the ONLY form of math you’ll use in your life without using calculator or computer. Advanced Math like random equations 7xa-81t
What's worse is, the school system's malfuckery is more than a one-dimensional problem. Having a social life and an interest in learning are instrumental to the well-being of all humans, and schools make you think you're getting both when you're actually getting neither. They surround you with peers but tell you to shut up and do your work in a monotone classroom. You decide you want a good grade and that the discipline of shutting up and working is worth it, but the work you're forced to do is pointless. You get home and desperately crave free time to learn and socialize on your own, but you now have more pointless work to stress you out in the form of homework and no friends to hang out with because you decided to discipline yourself for work that wasn't socially involved. Oh, and then you get depressed from a lack of engaging work and friends, which hurts your performance even more.
I've been saying something similar regarding how people think school socializes children the best, which i'd say is usually not the case. Sometimes i've been confused as to how people even come to the conclusion that public schooling enhances socialization when most of the school day is spent sanctioning students to have a silent and sedentary lifestyle of compliance that stifles socialization. Interactions with other people are usually fixated on following approved responses that help develop a good reputation with academia but when people try to use clubs, sports, etc.., as a prime example, that example becomes counterintuitive when developing deeper connections with other people is usually associated outside of school, as extracurricular/co-curricular activities or other special events have a separated focus on what the core curriculum represents. Unless you are a complete extravert who made groups of friends or are lucky enough to have the ability to mingle or connect with people, you're going to find that public school is built on the antisocial premise of making kids obediently silent for the majority of their day so that way they all think as similar as possible in order to focus on a similar monotonous purpose, even if it goes against their own sanity of their best interests at heart. Personal relationships are usually achieved outside of school to avoid disruption and when there is a focus on developing social and emotional intelligence with others in school, it's usually predicated upon conditional processes of behaviorism rather then a conjunction of newfound individual curiosity and an empathy for humanity with interpersonal connections for community goals. If anything, it's possibly even more antisocial then what people think homeschooling entails because unless you have overcontrolling parents, you're loving and nurturing parents are not inculcating you against you're own volition to sit in a restricted room or area throughout most of you're day and you have the option to learn or connect with other people in the world around you, whether it would be you're neighborhood, library, store, etc..... No offense, but I find it hypocritical how people are automatically critical to the possible isolation of homeschooling yet never considered how isolating a public schooling experience can be as well?
Eh... We need metal workers, wood workers, we need truck drivers and farmers and sewage maintenance, etc. We live in a society that is filled with technology thought of by scientists and engineers, but who built those devices? Who transported them? Who made their white lab coats and white boards, transported the coffee beans for them, run and maintain the electrical grid for them to have light?
I understand wanting school to be the place to rejuvenate our curiosity and give us great thinking skills, but ideally school should prepare us to run our modern societies (and yes it doesn't do that well either).
It seems like the system is designed to educate to the level of supermarket manager, and no further, whilst instilling an attitude of pretentious contempt and spiteful indignation towards the general public.
It would be refreshing to see/hear a new Presidential Candidate really focus on the Public Education system. Present a legitimate plan that is positive and backs teachers. Might get a lot of votes.
abolish the school system after 3rd grade. really anything past reading and writing is pretty useless. the government has your brain for 12 years you are just barely qualified to flip burgers. and 4 years in a university you can engineer skyscrapes among other amazing things. ever since the government has taken control of universities it has only gotten radically more expensive while producing significantly lower results
Here is a task i need you to do?
Is it NEW and still part of me getting paid for it? I'll do it.
Is it outside of my job description and I'm not getting paid for it? No.
The Freakin Puerto Rican
Maybe I went to a good school or I just an innate curiosity because I like learning and I ask questions that I want to seek answers for
What he talks about in 2:50 sometimes involves different factors. I’m not trained to do this task but I really want to learn. Oh wait, if I fuck up I could lose my license and get sued because I should have know I was not trained to do his.
I liked the "learn" part not the "show us what you learned and face judgement" part :D
I had a teacher that told me clear as a bell, “ when you stop learning, that is seeking knowledge, you begin to die”
This sticks with me to this day.
Fast forward
My kid was flatly told “we lose $60 per every absent kid per day” so they are required to be actually at school 90% of scheduled days
But if that miss ONE period they are counted as a whole day missed
Ndt should take over for Betsy Devos asap
Joe "sometimes I'm really interviewing myself" Rogan
I do find it very strange that every child/teen all are taught the exact same thing for hundreds of years. It’s like we’re all robots (I’m not educated enough) to try and get my point across but it’s sounds good in my head hahah
All i wanted was this..
What nobody talks about is the fact that at least 80% of all students don’t want to learn. As a teacher you can only do so much. Most of the learning happens at home and parents are too scared to exercise authority
in america it seems to be more about making money than educating the students the best possible way...
Currently writing a speech in the American education, Tyson is my main source
#School also needs to delete uselles things
Wait is this old?
Suspicious Tumbleweed no just today
America needs to adopt the Chinese system.
As a kid I unsuccessfully tried to break a rock open because I was curious what the inside looked like😂
Did it work?
I agree 1000%
If this doesn’t already exist, I wish he would write a book about “how to teach”
Radio lab!
This shit is so true
I'm not going to complain the education system that this should be here and this should be not...I just want to say education is super interesting thing only we have to think how we make it .
The Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell!
The epidermis is the outermost layer of the skin
Digestion begins in my mouth
Leafs are green because of chlorophyll
If workers had more freedom in the work place people would care about their jobs. It also wouldn't hurt if people got enough money in their paychecks to pay their bills after working hard all week.
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
@1:46 " what happens if i pull the leg off a Dalai lama". That some evil kid.
The school system is garbage and by the time you're a teen, you know that.
9/10ths of the stuff they force you to learn above 6th grade, you'll never use again in your adult life. What they should be doing with that time is opening your mind to career choices and get you on the paths to general lifeskills and prerequisites to adult careers.
lol well that is kind of what they do you literally just said it in your statement. "90% of the stuff you learn is stuff you will never use again" yea because they are giving a diverse set of knowledge so you can get an idea of what path to go down.
it does not matter what you teach a class full of kids 90% of everything everyone learns is going to be useless you can only make everything useful if you have a class of 10 year olds who you know who are 100% going to become engineers.
Mana Montana so maybe instead of doing it in a way that discourages kids from wanting to learn and being able to think critically and creatively they should have classes that actually teach us what career options we have and how those jobs really work. If you can’t get that connection into a kid they’ll just see it as a chore. I don’t care how many times my teacher says I can be a engineer or architect with math to me it’s just a chore requirement to leave after 4 years
Neil brings in celebrities to draw to pop culture.
... i cant wait til he meets Danielle Bregolli.
I have learned more about science and astrophysics on TH-cam than I have in high school I am only 16 and have a very small knowledge of the topic but it is fun to learn how the fucking universes works when you have a guy like Neil and not some bored out of their mind divorced 50 something teacher saying the same lessons and and speeches 8 times a day
Deal with it, since teachers unions do not want to change anything
I love NdGT almost as much as I love mocking him for being fastidious.
Tyson 2020.
the " that is not my job i wont do it " person is the one demanding the $15 hour minimum wage..
1:45 Pulling legs off a daddy long legs is commendable scientific curiosity?
But how would I know to make title pages with no white left
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1:22 "life long learners" poignant noy the status quo BS you see now in a lot the hallways of every school in America.
The city I live in shuts down twenty times a year for some sort of alcohol festival. Never has the city hired some scientists and mathematicians to come have some "get excited to learn" festival. Or had the heads of science and history and math departments from universities to come do a thing.
American priorities...
@@davorianware1382 thing is... I live in the "bible belt". Deep South in North Carolina. Explain that shit. Lol
@@jonleach5950 I think anti intellectualism is pervasive through America. We circulate these ideal be your own boss narratives and don't push the need for critical thinking and interaction. So instead we focus on the most animalistic things like drinking, smoking, sex, and eating. There are always festivals and events for those things.
We don’t need no education..
Astro physicist lolol
I was used to thik that US education system is better than india. But after this i think all schools are similar😂
Neil D. doesn't know how fucked up the American school system is ? really ?
This man think so highly of himself and his level of intelligence and yet flat out refuses to have a debate with people who have an opposing view.
As a scientist he's probably used to only debating people coming through with hard researched, peer reviewed evidence and that's his mode of thinking. So when presented with a "climate change isn't real" debate he's not even going to try to engage.
What do you want him to debate on ? Flat Earth ? These people have worked hard to be in the position they are today , what do you expect them to do ?