Rare rule upsets two managers in one week, a breakdown
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A rare blemish on an otherwise stellar White Sox season
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Yeah... But that's why it sucks so much that the call was made. They actually could have won (admittedly it was still unlikely) in an amazing comeback against a good side, but instead we got: "Nah the fielder was slightly inconvenienced, he's out."
I'll have you know we have double digit wins, sir.
Payback for 1919
.250 average 🤣🤣🤣 nearly halfway through June! You a legend for this comment 😂😂
“Thank you to baseball, for writing rules that are black and white that have a lot of gray area”😂😂😂 I lost it at that😂😂😂
This is exactly like when you make up a situational boardgame rule with your friends and months later it ruins your games
I was thinking, "They didn't playtest this nearly enough."
It’s like playing NOMIC
It's the Monopoly free parking money pot
How is not interfering with a play hard to understand?
Lmao poker
Maybe they should change the infield fly rule to once it's been called, it's a dead ball. No runners advance, no catch must happen. Just the batter is called out and the next batter, if applicable, steps up.
The "who are you?" when you know you've lost is an all time classic. 😂
Classic Roger Daltrey comeback
I was laughing out loud at that lip reading
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? I AM!
Boone was such a prick here. Didn't wanna answer so just ignores it
The umpire repeating "now what? Now what?" when Boone was trying to respond was just as obnoxious and that's what Boone was responding to by asking "who are you talking to like that?"
The Soto scenario looks to match the rule EXACTLY. That man came in with way more hip than I've ever seen when getting a foot on the bag. What an interesting breakdown.
And the ump explained exactly why the call needed to be made to Boone, who responds by being totally childish, which the ump shuts down with a clean one-liner. Rare ump W on this one, honestly.
@@cplpuddingpop Honestly is Jimmy just a little mad because he's a Yankee fan? Seems like the exact sort of situation for this rule to be implemented.
@@brattman741 Jimmy isn’t mad at all in this video? You mean Boone?
@@JesseBingham just sounds a little salty, especially at the end with the black and white comment.
If anything, it appears to me that it's the infielder who is interfering with the runner. Either way, this rule needs some clarification.
That ump stood his ground to Boone, I’ll give him that.
Facts 😂
NOW WHAT, AARON?
I mean he's totally right. Calling these guys out doesn't feel right, but the ball bounces away and a run scores because of contact with a runner is also not the right answer to this situation.
@@kylethomas7467I don’t agree with the first one, but the second one was a tough, but good call.
I think the only reason the runner on third didn’t take off was because he saw it was called interference which means he’d have to go back anyways.
@@kylethomas7467 Yeah, it doesn't feel great, but his reasoning was 100% right.
I was furious watching the game as a Yankee fan. The Umpire's "NOW WHAT AARON?" response completely won me over. Great call hahahahaha
"Umpire with the frowny face" is peak jomboy 😂
Umpire looks like the manager in the movie "Waiting"/Anchorman. Bald Jewish guy.
@@jestice75 David Koechner. He also played Todd Packer on The Office.
Bro saw the comment then saw his face 😂😂😂
We need a frowny face umpire photo in the studio
He looks like a character in a PS1 game 😂.
Never get a second voice actor. Listening to you voice two guys is golden
Good lord, Jomboy is the only man who can turn footage from a baseball game into the most compelling soap-opera of all time.
I don't watch baseball at all but this is my personal Kardashian Cat Fight I have to see.
It’s like watching JFK: “back and to the left, back and to the left.”
Not compelling but certainly a soap opera characterization of a simple rule infraction.
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Watching umpires and managers argue with each other like little kids while Jomboy breaks it down will never get old 😂🤣😂
5:33
"Be better"
"I am" is the perfect response
I completely missed that but that's hilarious
@@cubsfanman-nx6pg all ump should take note of that comeback, because it seems to be Boone's favourite insult
That’s a terrible response. Ump said “I am better than that play” meaning it was a mistake
@@nintendubs2265 Obviously the Ump meant "I'm better than [Boone]"...
@@Leafsdude or "I am better than that play [in the Orioles White Sox game]"
Brit here, love your various sports analyses. And love that you've got into cricket, I'm a Warwickshire CCC fan.
Jomboy, by now I'm sure that you've watched enough cricket to have seen instances where the on field captains essentially overrule an umpire by rescinding a claim of 'out', so as to preserve the spirit and integrity of the game. Plus also instances where players 'walk' when they now they are out.
Do you think similar actions could or should happen in MLB?
This one WEIRD RULE that MLB managers DON'T want you to know!
Would the thumbnail have a red circle, a red arrow, or both?
@@zacharyhicks6237 both + gaping mouth
This Weird Rule is so beautiful that you should download it immediately!
@@bethanyh1637 whoosh!
The joke
@@bethanyh1637 's head
“Now what Aaron?” 😂
The only clean way to fix it is to say once infield fly is called the play ends. No one gets any advantage and only the hitter is out.
Why not just get rid of the infield fly rule altogether? It'd be a lot more fun if they let it drop and tried going for the multiple play instead.
@@ChefSaladIf u do that, everyone is going to drop the ball. It's just not fair to runners.
I think that's the rule and the whole point of the rule -- DEAD BALL, everything stops
@@ChefSalad That's stupid. Every popup with 2+ men on will become a free double or triple play.
@@coulie27not the rule. The batter runner is out once Infield Fly is called, but the play continues as normal.
So what DID happen after that? Aaron?
I’m still here waiting to know
Jomboy’s lipreading is crazy… but I also simultaneously want a Bad Lip Reading song made out of the Aaron Boone part 🤣
For those who don’t know (I’ve read some of the comments), when the infield fly rule is called, the ball is not dead. The batter is automatically out to remove the force plays at all the bases, whether the ball is caught or not, and runners can advance at their own risk (tagging up is required if the ball is caught by the infielder.) But in order to fix this, the ball SHOULD be dead and no advancement by the runners should be possible. Once the call is made, ball would be dead and the play is over, no matter what happens.
I think that instead of completely changing the infield fly rule they should just make it a dead ball if there is interference like this (or at least umpire discretion if there is a play)
@@cubsfanman-nx6pg The problem is the infield fly rule causes the continuation of play which then requires the use of the interference call. Players still need to catch the ball to prevent runners from advancing. Simple fix is just like OP says, infield fly rule should be dead ball and no advancement by runners and the batter is out. It would remove the need for any umpire discretion on interference calls.
Yeah 100%. Only addition I might add is if the interference is intentional then it's a double play. But just call the ball dead for these situations.
No, use contact with a runner as trigger for dead ball.
I just said this in a comment reply above. when IFR is called, just "freeze the play" don't have to catch the ball, but the runners can't advance either.
when Boone said, "Who the fuk are u talking to me like that? the humble pie was done baked!
the pretentious "who are you?" by boone is wild. 😂
And stupid. The ump has made tons of calls that went as Boone wanted. Maybe those were wrong?
Who was that ump ? Serigo Garcia or Sean Payton
@@johnsrabeFrom what Boone said Talkin' Yanks, it sounds like he was surprised that an umpire who's usually pretty stoic (Adam Hamari) lost his cool and got agitated
I think it was bc the guy called him Aaron. Like, who are you to call me by my first name?
@@JobiWan144ah that makes a lot of sense
2:12 According to that screenshot, the rule leaves it open for the umps to use discretion. The umps can judge whether the runner hindered the fielder from making a play on the ball. In this case, I would say the runner did not hinder the fielder at all.
I saw both when they happened and what I will say is this:
If the White Sox one was out, then Soto's was about 5 outs. Gunner Henderson barely even noticed that the runner was there, it was such a nothing incident. At least with Soto there was actually contact and a dropped ball.
I think when MLB says that they could have used discretion, they're right. "A runner who ajudged to have hindered a fielder..." OK, so... Did he hinder the fielder? My discretion would say, NO. So if the runner is ajudged to have NOT hindered the fielder, he should be called safe.
Yes, Soto clearly hindered the fielder more than the white sox game. The trouble is that it was a lot harder for him not to hinder the fielder since the ball dropped right by the bag and the fielder had to take a few steps back.
Overall, I think the first isn't an out and the second is but understand it going both ways in both games.
The rule doesn't account for nuance so the umps have to.
Soto forgot that fielders often underjudge pop fly balls and went behind him, only to interfere. Was trying to stay out of his vision, but just made it worse.
On the soto play, if he runs back to the bag it's not an issue. Why on both plays were they players sauntering back to the base?
@@jodoshbecause that's how baseball works. No one is sprinting back to the bag when they don't have to.
@@justinmiller5660- These two plays proves the point that they have to. A runner is only safe on the base.
What a tease at the end???? How am I supposed to find out what Boone said??!?!? 8:00
Nice shout-out to CCS -- I love both channels and it's nice to hear each of you referencing the other in a positive way.
100% - Lindsay is great. Nice shoutout.
@@kphardimanwhat happened to the dude Gil that used to run that site
Best fix to this rule is this:
1. If the runner is deemed to be returning directly to their base and makes incidental contact with the fielder, it is a dead ball. Runner cannot advance and must return to their base.
2. If the runner is deemed to make purposeful contact to stop a play on the ball, the runner is out.
3. If the runner is deemed to be making an attempt to advance on the play and makes any contact, incidental or purposeful, the runner is out.
And maybe to stop teams from taking advantage of the dead ball on defense,
4. If the fielder makes contact with a runner that is not deemed to be during a legitimate act to play the ball (such as running directly into the baserunner and then changing direction to catch the ball), then it is a dead ball and runners are able to advance 1 base.
In all situations, the infield fly would still be in effect and batter is out.
Here's what I was thinking; whenever an infield fly is called, the batter is out and the ball is dead until a member of the fielding team is standing in the infield with the ball in hand and all base runners are standing on the last base they achieved. That would erase all motivation for anyone to interfere or make it seem like they were interfered with.
i think it would be easier to just nix this rule and add something to the infield fly rule that says if a fielder does not catch an infield fly the batter is still out but the ball is dead. Runners can't advance, double plays can't be turned.
How about the runner has a right to the baseline and bag.
You could alternatively state that if interference occurs on an infield fly, that the interference call nullifies the infield fly ruling. By the interference being called (according to all other existing rules) the ball is dead, the interfering runner is out, the batter gets first base and any runners forced by the runner going to first get the next base.
In the Soto case, he would be out, the batter would get 1st, and the batter on 1st would go to 2nd. Soto would have been out, but there would only be one out on the play and the bases would remain loaded (but not with Soto on 2nd).
It would still create a disincentive to interfere (nobody wants to take an out themselves), but still achieve what we all think should happen here. I mean, if you've got Slow Mo on 2nd and he wants to "take one for the team" with a speedy runner behind him, that's his decision.
Yeah, in the Yankees/White Sox incident, if the infielder had played the ball correctly, the runner would have had a clear path back to the bag.
It is unlikely the infielder would have caught the ball - he was badly out of position to make the catch.
Appreciate the shoutout of CCS, they do great stuff over there
Been following Jomboy since the beginning and I still cant get over how spot on his lip reading is. Top notch stuff again
MLB just needs to rewrite the infield fly rule to freeze all runners when one is called. So if the catch isn't made, they don't have to worry about someone scoring off of it.
I think that's the most reasonable approach. it simplifies this greatly. Batter is automatically out, ball is dead.
@@arztje does anything else happen ever when the infield fly rule is called? I think not.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's the rule and the whole point of the rule - immediate DEAD BALL, infield fly, runners stay put.
Yeah it seems simple, just make it a dead ball situation, the fielder can try or not try to catch it, just call the rule an out and deal with the ball and let everyone return to their base or positions respectively. Easy.
It doesn’t need to be rewritten. If an infield fly is called, it is because the ball can be caught by an infielder without extraordinary effort. If they don’t catch it, that’s on the fielder.
This incentivizes the fielder to catch the ball instead of just letting it drop. If the runners had to freeze in place, there would be no effort by either team. But not having that rule can allow the runners to take a risk.
I understand the runner ran into him and everything, but the runner does need to touch the bag. Where is a supposed to go? Isn't there a rule where a runner has the right to his base path or something? Would that apply here if he us tagging up or if the infield fly was called does it not come into olay, because then he isnt forced to run? ... Even though he woukd have to tag. Or do you have to up on an infield fly?
the UMP arguing with Boone is hilarious it’s rare they argue back in that way it was pretty funny.
So what did Boone say to Jomboy holding him to task on apologizing if he was not on the bag? I know he just wants us to watch the other thing but I’m not gonna. Fill me in someone!
I think it’s because he was fully in the right. A lot of times they know the call is bad but have to stand on it, but in these case the call was correct, even if the rule is flawed, although I really don’t have any issue with the second call.
Angels lost anyways so didn’t matter if he was on the bag or not.
@@cptobvius Boone avoided the question and started rambling about the rule needing to be changed instead
Close Call Sports is absolutely great! Very knowledgeable rules breakdowns!
Now what Aaron!?
Thank you for this.
Ump was actually making some good points 😂
@@tangarz5357except for an infield fly making it to left field? I don't think so
Boone's "Who are you?" "Who the f___ are you talking to like that?" instantly to the top 3 favorite sports moments
Good shout-out to Close Call Sports, they are incredible
Did boone keep his word or is he an entire child?
Holy shit that ump actually had a good point.
To be fair, if this rule exists - but only if the catch isn’t made - then it actually incentivizes the player to NOT catch it akin to flopping in soccer. I don’t want flopping in baseball 😂
But infield fly is an automatic out, whether it’s caught or not
@AshMorton He means like the fielder could try and exaggerate or seek out contact with a runner to get an extra out on the play
@@AshMortonwatch the video
To be fair….
the funny thing is the infield fly rule itself exists to prevent infielders from being incentivized to drop the ball to double off lead runners.
Aaron Boone doing his best Billy Martin impression as usual. Seriously, has any manager been ejected more in the last 2 years than him? lol
the overlapping convo edits were amazing lol 🤌🏻🤌🏻
I may hate the Yanks with a passion, but god damn the Boone breakdowns are always the best 😂
100% agree!
You know what is going through Boone's head?
"I need to make my mouth as lip-readable as possible for Jomboy during this discussion"
Great shoutout to Close Call Sports. She does great work.
Yeahh, nice shoutout to CloseCallSports! You do a great job from the entertainment (and mouth-reading) perspective... CloseCallSports does it great from the technical rules perspective. Both great analyses!
“So what” 😂
That "now what, Aarooon!" exchange is GOATED.
The lip reading is impressive.
Boone was laughing because he realized that Jomboy is reading his lips. 😂
frowny face is my new favourite
He's Umpire Grumpy Cat
@@ChristopherMHeaps Grumpire Cat
What was your old fav?
So here’s a fun thing: it doesn’t matter if Soto stands on the base or not. Base is not a safe haven
That umpire is going to haunt my dreams.
This channel multiplies my love of baseball.
Shout out to Close Call Sports! The best breakdown of umpiring, as well as MLB, College, and High School baseball rules and their applications.
Ccs defends the rules too much. Its weird but with as much DISCRETION that is written into baseball, she ends up being both technical and unhelpful at the same time.
Yes defend this ump for making a ridic call, cause he is allowed to... Wonder 4+ minute video
@@vissermatt1058the issue with the rule is there is no discretion allowed. That’s the issue, and I think Lindsay makes that pretty clear
@@clayhess1479 yup just like balls and strikes right? Hasnt stopped homeplate from controlling their own strike zone on any given day
That voice over argument was fucking insane lmao
Love the shoutout to Close Call Sports! 💖
Loving the multi voices. Fantastic
LMAO!! The lip reading on this one was awesome!!!
“I already looked at it” proceeds to continue to argue and be wrong
This makes me wonder how many other super specific yet poorly implemented rules are in the rule book just waiting to be found during a one in a million play.
Keep an eye out for any oddball prop bets.
There are rules in there because teams have done some really crazy stuff since baseball started.
This is just a slightly specific rule (the infield fly rule) combined with a standard rule. The truly bizarre rules come from trying to 'fix' situations like this that seem unjust, e.g. the 4th out appeal.
If the number seven batter on the away team is playing as 1B and grounds into a triple play in the 15th inning of a regular season game in October, the away team has forfeited the game.
@jr8554 that's a common rule though everyone knows that
Watching Jomboy commentating at the T20 cricket World Cup whilst watching breakdowns on YT. Amazing crossover opportunities going on for Jomboy
Personally the first one was a poor judgement call. The second one however seems more justifiable and I feel like a correct judgement call was made.
Lindsay explained it very well by saying the runner in an infield fly situation has an affirmative duty to avoid interfering with the fielder making the catch attempt. This is different from the priorities in a regular fielding play. Like most sports, you must know the rules.
Yeah close call sports really had a great breakdown to the Iowa game too jomboy!
the stupid smile on the umpires face in the first clip omg
Also, Boone, who literally flunked a rules test to hell and back arguing rules. Lmao you can’t make this stuff up
Except he didn't argue rules, he argued that the guy was on the bag but ALSO that the umps were JUST FUCKING TOLD BY MLB TO SHOW SOME FUCKING DISCRETION ON INTERFERENCE PLAYS WITH THE FUCKING INFIELD FLY RULE IN EFFECT.
@@ObscuraDeCapra Discretion doesn't mean "never call it".
@@ObscuraDeCapra He argued a) something he was wrong about and b) that the mere fact that this rule had been implemented incorrectly before meant it had been abandoned. Neither was convincing for a reason.
@@ObscuraDeCaprabut the guy wasn’t on the bag.
Easy fix, Infield Fly means dead ball. Batter is out. Nothing else can happen. No bases advanced, no interference calls, no double plays. Let the ball just drop or catch it, doesn't matter.
Jomboy do a breakdown of Tucupita Marciano getting a lifetime ban
he talked about it on a longer form video
Watch the latest episode of Jimmy's 3 things lol
He does a nice breakdown on Talkin’ Baseball channel
This almost happened again in Friday night's Jays-Pirates game (I believe it was in extra innings). Same exact scenario. The announcers and players froze for a second thinking it was going to get called again.
I know Jomboy is a little biased and covers the Yankees A LOT, but is Boone really this much of an asshole? I feel like he gets ejected twice a week while you might see other managers get ejected twice a season.
I enjoy the 2 Jomboys arguing over himself
New Jomboy video=shot of Dopamine
This comparison pleases Dark Lord Internet very, very much.
It seems that all sports would benefit by adopting the rules of Calvinball.
I don’t even watch baseball anymore and now have the attention span of a 12-year-old on TikTok 🥴, but I ALWAYS watch Jomboy’s videos in full. It’s just a very unique/awesome channel 😂
Respect to Jomboy for giving CloseCallSports a shout out.
The "interference" actually helped the fielder get in the right spot to catch that ball 😂
New rule, if Boone steps out of the dugout, he's ejected. But just Boone, Ausmus is cool.
The infield fly rule is a baseball and softball rule that treats certain fly balls as if they've been caught, even if the infielder doesn't catch it. The rule's purpose is to protect runners on base and prevent the defense from getting a free out.
So he doesn't have to catch the ball and the runners are protected.
If MLB could just say the batter is automatically out and the play is dead when the ball comes down on an infield fly. Nothing else can happen. Catch it, drop it on purpose. Batter is out. This is a stupid rule unless your name is Jomboy and you get to make a video about it
jomboy is the most incredible lip reader we’ve ever seen. this is gold
The Yankees/Angels incident looks like a more practical use of this rule, although Neto didn't give Soto much of a shot to get back to the bag. As for Orioles/White Sox, the interference helped Gunnar Henderson get to the ball if anything, but not an incorrect call according to the rules.
Soto had so much time to get back to the bag. Look at how long the balls in the air and soto just casually walks back instead of hustling back to avoid a double play
I don't subscribe to much, but Jomboy is great.
That is some next-level editing! 🤣🤣🤣
"Boone's Wrong, by THIS much" ... lol
The breakdown of Boone and the ump was amazing 😂😂😂
They should change the rule to make it a dead ball at the moment the contact is made between a runner and a fielder on an infield fly rule play.
Got referred to this after a One Bite video on autoplay. Don't even watch baseball anymore, but what a great breakdown and the lip-reading voiceovers were incredible.
So I thought infield fly means the batter is out and the runners are forced back to their base regardless of the outcome of the ball being caught or not. If the umps called infield fly, and he drops it, don't the umps just say "hey everyone back to your base the plays dead, batter is out everyone is forced back to their base?"
No, the ball is still alive after an infield fly is declared. Runners must tag up, but can then attempt to get to the next base, at their own peril, after the ball is caught or hits the ground.
Nope. The only difference between a regular fly ball and an infield fly is the automatic out on the batter, which removes the force on the runners. For the runners, everything else is the same: if the ball is caught, they have to tag up before trying for the next base (if they choose to give it a shot); if the ball is dropped (or allowed to drop), they don't have to tag up if they want to try and advance.
@@damondiehl5637 wrong, they only have to tag up if the ball is caught regular baseball rules apply to the play the batter is just already out regardless if its dropped or not.
“Runner out” seems like odd punishment for a situation that all too often happens because the runner had no way of predicting that they would be in the way
So basically... The infield fly rule needs to immediately lead to an automatic out on the hitter along with a dead ball so no runners can advance.
The umpires don't rule in the Yankees favor? That's not right. They always get the close calls.
Yea, not gonna lie, Sotos move looking kinda dangerous here.
He genuinely would have been better off sliding back into second, though the fielder 100% would have tripped over him. Kind of a no-win scenario, they both needed to occupy the same space.
I don’t watch baseball. At all. But this dude makes me laugh. Funny as sh!t brah.
The first call is pretty obviously wrong, but I don't know what the hell you do on the second call in future instances.
- Soto deserves to get back to the bag, but the other guy deserves to be able to fairly make the catch.
Make a new rule so that the play is dead and hitters out when infield fly is called. That way there'd be no reason for someone in sotos position to rush back and get in the way
5:00-5:30 boone got COOKED by that ump lmao
This coach is a carbon-copy of dozens of coaches I've had the misfortune of running into during my years as an official. Totally have zero capacity to look at the game objectively. See what didn't happen, don't see what what did happen, argue like total dorks and never apologize.
Why would a coach ever be objective, that goes directly against their purpose to win the game.
@@zym6687 that's a good point, but in my own coaching career I'd argue that it's nice to have a reputation of being a straight-shooter... that brings positive results to your team as well. Playing the long-game I suppose.
In the first instance the runner actually helps the fielder get on track to catch the ball lol
I wish Jomboywasn’t such a yankee fan though but I still love him
The only issue is the MLB potentially telling the white sox it was the wrong call even though it followed the rule to the T. The MLB never misses an opportunity to screw up a situation even more.
Im crackin up boone stays out there so much longer than necessary just to prove a point and i love it😂