🛑STOP!!!, If you're new to CB Radio, take this advice: DON'T BUY RADIOS FROM NON RADIO BUSINESSES, $

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  • @Maine307
    @Maine307 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    truth!!!!!!!! not to mention, that if u purchase the radio from a respectable shop, that after they "work on it" and something happens, they have a base line of where and what to do , and the how to get things back in order.. a lot of radios shops have years of respectability for a reason.. trust, and profesionalism..and it is worth t he price. i have no regrets and plenty of guys up here in Maine say the same thing.. u r 100% Rooster Cheers from Maine!

    • @allencheck501
      @allencheck501 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks rooster, good info!

  • @stonefacedgrasshopper2200
    @stonefacedgrasshopper2200 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Excellent tutorial, Rooster. Been on the radio for 5 decades. Back then, you had to find an operator, tech or book to talk/walk you through the program. No internet. Today's newbies live in an indoctrination, not education world. Actual, real life example: Guy buys a new radio. Hooks it up, keys up, and it blows up. Sends it back with nasty comments about selling defective junk. Buys another one from somewhere else...with the same results. Asks me about it. I ask him numerous guestions, including "what was your SWR reading?" He replied, "what's that?" 🤦‍♂️
    Research before purchasing, people. What else in life do you buy without knowing how to operate it?
    73 😑🦗

    • @jdisellitboy815
      @jdisellitboy815 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very well said I’m very interested in learning. Do you have any recommendations to find that material?

    • @stonefacedgrasshopper2200
      @stonefacedgrasshopper2200 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jdisellitboy815 There are many channels on the internet that represent the CB community. Rooster is one of them for learning about various radios and amplifiers. Scott's Radios is another. If you want technical knowledge, theradiogarage is an excellent pick. Go back over theradiogargage's videos thru the years. He is a great tech and continues to educate us and himself at the same time. As you learn and have questions, you can use Google, or any search engine, to get the answers. Start with a basic
      radio, antenna and good coax cable. If you like the hobby, expand as you learn more. And, of course, there are those old timers out here that will help you along. 73 😑🦗

  • @almartiniii1541
    @almartiniii1541 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What boggles my mind is that someone would pop off that kind of money without doing some homework first. I started with a 23 chanel Fleetwood radio in my car off my dad's charter boat he shelfed in the early 80s when he "upgraded" to a rackshack 40. Made contacts that became friends and learned what the good stuff was. Thanks for all your videos and business Rooster. 72s😉.

  • @Imorris444
    @Imorris444 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thank you Rooster! Great informational video many need to know this!

  • @KY_PatriotPrepper
    @KY_PatriotPrepper 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Got my 447 from a great shop at a great price. Perfect radio from Rooster !! Still the best I have ever used.

  • @edhardwick2538
    @edhardwick2538 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I was lucky when a got back into radio a couple of years ago. I knew enough and had owned an opened up 148 and an hr2510 but I knew no one in the radio business anymore. I ordered a Stryker 955 from a reputable CB radio business "peaked and tuned" along with an Antron, 30 amp Alinco power supply and big coax. It was a Christmas sale and I got a helluva deal on the package. I would have bought from Rooster if I had known better, but I still did well enough not to buy from any old importer. Do your homework, I might have finagled a better deal out of Rooster. :)

  • @robertbates8599
    @robertbates8599 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well said!!! I just started buying from you but with your channel I have gotten a tremendous education!!! You obviously are amazing in your trade and moving forward I’m going to buy everything from you. I’m actually going to reach out to you this week and buy a base system for my warehouse and I’m going to buy everything from you because I trust whatever I buy from you will be exactly what I need and I will have no issues. I am going to need a system .. antenna, etc….. so I can’t wait. I have always been taught that you cannot put a price on quality and excellent service. Thank you Rooster for everything! Class act !!!

  • @rondellschuyler7074
    @rondellschuyler7074 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Spot on. Antennaes is the only radio related item I would buy from Amazon, walmart etc, but even then Walmart and Amazon has no one 99.9 percent of the time with knowledge to help you.

  • @MrFreddarama
    @MrFreddarama 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The expanded rx and tx info can be easily found by searching the net. I would be skeptical of sending a radio to someone to tune and align if they don't have all of the proper test equipment and experience. I have seen radios ruined that were worked on by shade tree techs that over modulate and cause spurious emissions as well as splatter across an entire band. You have be careful. Ive been working with radios since 1975.

  • @SugarShack-fz2wy
    @SugarShack-fz2wy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm a new subscriber, I love cb radio talk, I have learned so much over the years! I definitely learned always buy from a reputable source!

  • @BrandonisaCriminal
    @BrandonisaCriminal 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Hey Rooster, you have to make videos like this because common sense is NOT common anymore. 73s 👍😀

  • @Al_Nunnery
    @Al_Nunnery 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Exactly 💯.. a friend of mine who is also a Trucker, bought a Stryker 955 like the one I bought from u Rooster 🐓 and he was Pissed 😡.... it wasn't converted or anything. It sounds Nothing like my Rooster 🐓 955

  • @robertsanders-q5g
    @robertsanders-q5g 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I missed the days back at 1976 when I first started taking your amplifier to the local TV repair shop. L o l

  • @avelinovelez2700
    @avelinovelez2700 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you Rooster for the info 💯

  • @k9policexj
    @k9policexj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great information, Rooster. I'm just getting back in the hobby and although I'm not looking at export radios i understand that getting quality equipment means buying it from someone why knows what they're doing.

  • @williambrecht4501
    @williambrecht4501 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree! I will never use a radio again that has NOT had a professional tune up. If it's a new radio to me it's going for a tune up

  • @chezirroy
    @chezirroy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The opposite also applies. People jump to eBay or other places and grab the cheapest one they can find included hand held ones and then complain about them not working on SSB and get into other out of CB frequencies.

  • @Hooptierescue
    @Hooptierescue 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started when I was a kid my pop had cb in all the cars and I had a Realistic hooked in my bedroom. And the past year decided to pick the hobby back up. Got galaxy 959 all modded with extra side band. Great radio

  • @stevenorcutt3913
    @stevenorcutt3913 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man I'm glad eastern American airwaves have come to life out here in Northern Nevada and Nothern Cal radio is dead. I always tell newbies to buy a basic radio and decent antenna so if they decide it's not their thing their not out a ton of money. Now if I could just get folks from east of the Rockies to buy some of my collection that would be awesome. But yes never unless you have skills buy from Amazon or any super store that's great advice on your part. 😁

  • @gregoryb2999
    @gregoryb2999 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Truth! You get into deals with no mic, power cord, and stuff. Walmart you might get a new radio. Amazon and eBay you lucky to get a complete radio at best with someone else's problems. Yes shipping and repairs and alignment and mods by the time you finally get it you could have gotten two new or another piece of equipment with. A good radio shop is hard to find so do some extensive research beforehand. Also know a hacked up radio will splatter and sound bad. And when you put something behind that radio and even a small amount leaves huge unwanted harmonics. No super whack packs just aligned peak tune with variable key or set key and let it be and enjoy.

  • @Walker_328
    @Walker_328 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These comments from those that try to convince others to never have a radio tuned up a bit crack me up. It’s VERY obvious when one keys up a “clean and untouched” radio on a busy channel. To each their own though. 👍🏼💯

  • @gem1967
    @gem1967 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am just getting back into this as my job was on call 24/7 and didn't have time. Now I'm retired and pulling stuff out of storage. In a different house and in the spring going to put up a base antenna. I have an rci 2995 peaked and tuned a rci 2950 modded a rci 2970 150 peaked and tuned a rci 2970 dx peaked and tuned. And just got a Ronald peak and tuned for my pu truck. Not one did I buy from big box. You said a mouth full there.

  • @foxman362
    @foxman362 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That why i bbq paint black color my macov5000 in case get ice storms in TN and rain happens in my area the sun will reflect dark color it draws heat to it.

  • @ericthiel4053
    @ericthiel4053 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ordered one from walcott ( discovered it prior to knowing about your shop), hope its a decent one. Wish i would have watched this earlier.

  • @NukaVaultReadiness
    @NukaVaultReadiness 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was not aware that "stock" CBs don't perform out of the box.
    Mostly use Ham and some GMRS, although I have played around with a President McKinley for Rx while traveling (with a mag mount antenna).
    Thanks for the information!
    May want to add CB to my shack in the near future.

  • @jcglock40
    @jcglock40 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very true Rooster....go to a reputable shop .

  • @tedneitzel
    @tedneitzel 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Damn straight!

  • @mr.stonerUDX714
    @mr.stonerUDX714 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    hell!!! back in the day like late 70s 80s you still had to buy your radio from a shop all radios need to be adjusted even radio shack radios in the day when you bought one you had to find a shop to set it up!!!

  • @robertmaldonado8530
    @robertmaldonado8530 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So how do you recommend something already fixed up that I could buy? With a great antenna to go with it.

  • @billdivine9501
    @billdivine9501 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As others have said, I got into cb in the late 70’s you had to get your gear from a reputable shop with knowledgeable techs.

  • @stevevictor1586
    @stevevictor1586 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Look around , get some reviews, and buy a radio from a reputable CB shop, I’m looking for a good base station now that is AC and strong enough to not have to use my 667 to converse on side band

  • @stevencamara2778
    @stevencamara2778 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m looking for a Stryker 955 hpc ready to roll do you have a website

  • @allencheck501
    @allencheck501 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks rooster excellent info,, howdy from nm !

  • @forrestlangston7854
    @forrestlangston7854 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Agree! Buy from a Reputable C.B./ Radio business ALWAYS until you are 'seasoned' ... 73's Rooster!

  • @scott-in-dfw3005
    @scott-in-dfw3005 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And...if you have your Technicians or +....and you're looking for a 10 meter with some punch...they're a great radio to have.

  • @geraldscott4302
    @geraldscott4302 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The problem with buying a radio that all fixed up and ready to go is that they are always sold out.

  • @robcole332
    @robcole332 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video brother. Go Vols

  • @foxman362
    @foxman362 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You have do 11meter desolder chip mod i had did mine for quad5 for myself i had learn from myself from ground control 204 on youtube one his videos it took me 3years saved up for quad 5 top gun last year i bought from bobcbshop before he cameout with limit edition one my is basic stock.

  • @GageGonzalez954
    @GageGonzalez954 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I keep trying to find a radio shop and there is not one around me I’m in midland tx what shops to you know out here?

  • @christophersmith1155
    @christophersmith1155 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    CORRECT !!!

  • @jorgeespinosa2080
    @jorgeespinosa2080 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good afternoon Mr. rooster I i’m getting into the CB hobby and I don’t want to purchase the wrong CV. I want CB that I can talk pretty far mobile wise. Could you give me a little bit of knowledge on what to get please

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Antenna is the most important part. That's going to determine your range over anything else.

    • @jorgeespinosa2080
      @jorgeespinosa2080 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Rooster_Radio thank you for getting back to me rooster what antenna do you recommend for a mobile antenna? I

    • @jorgeespinosa2080
      @jorgeespinosa2080 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I guess the bottom line is rooster. I need you to hook me up with the radio that I can talk to somebody in a good antenna mobile I want to mobile I don’t know if you have anything in stock now let me know.

  • @allanbrindley-ke3kd
    @allanbrindley-ke3kd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The cb shop that I use, which I can drive to charges me $25.00 to convert & peak & tune.Even less if I take a few radios in at one time.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's $25 to pop the covers at most shops, so consider yourself very lucky. Many shops have a $20 minimum bench fee

  • @heathlawson3059
    @heathlawson3059 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Couldn't agree more!

  • @thisnametooktolong
    @thisnametooktolong 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    HAHAHAHAHHA. I own nothing that I have not modified. I am not taking anything anyplace for repair or "modification" Thank you very much

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      More power to you if you're capable, most people aren't

  • @coltsjason
    @coltsjason 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is flat the truth buy from local cb shops most shops are honest believe me i got peaked and tuned Stryker maybe an an amp lol never liked to use any mic but ranger mics

  • @153RunningFox
    @153RunningFox 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You the man

  • @adambennett2176
    @adambennett2176 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes sir!!!!

  • @truckinprepper8743
    @truckinprepper8743 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ya getting any 447 ' s in anytime soon? Didnt see'em in stock or pre-order.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2 in stock by this weekend

  • @tonyrhodes9891
    @tonyrhodes9891 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant advice

  • @ERICtheLATE
    @ERICtheLATE 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wait a sec, if they put them on markplace and not sell for morethan they paid, is awesome stuff.

  • @craigmiller7551
    @craigmiller7551 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do I get in touch with you besides here

  • @PalRider2000
    @PalRider2000 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sadly the big “10 METER RADIO” should give it away..

  • @michaelallen3172
    @michaelallen3172 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rooster you are on target . Wise advice here

  • @ST-xh6bf
    @ST-xh6bf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rooster someone is selling a road talker in Greenville sc

  • @James-q2y7x
    @James-q2y7x 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They will need to go and buy a helper lol

  • @dr.bob2582
    @dr.bob2582 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bob's CB shop

  • @rickyn420
    @rickyn420 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what ever happened to the base radio.

  • @sagnbaby
    @sagnbaby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    IF you buy a radio from the manufacturer...whats the issue?

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1st of all most buyers don't have access to buying directly from the manufacturer. So there's that

    • @sagnbaby
      @sagnbaby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Rooster_Radio yes but you did say they buy them from Walmart or wherever which get them from the manufacturer... so in essence theyre buying them from the manufacturer. Amazon or Walmart are just being the middlemen. Its not like amazon opens them up and messes around with the settings.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sagnbaby video went completely over your head buddy. People buy them new with the expectation they will talk on channel 19 out of the box, which they won't.
      Does that make it more clear for you? This video is to make people aware so they don't keep making the same mistakes.

  • @fuzz1500
    @fuzz1500 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very helpful !

  • @timwhite2583
    @timwhite2583 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You pay for what you get..

  • @kevinraynor9116
    @kevinraynor9116 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nicely worded

  • @michaelhargis7036
    @michaelhargis7036 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My c.b. shop/guy is an expert. "Bump Bump"

  • @JimmyJ-rm1vm
    @JimmyJ-rm1vm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    MR RAINMAKER HERE,,,,,Better start learning how to fix cb radios because Cb specialist burned down now you better be the CB shop breaker 1-9 they call me The Rainmaker and I'm back quiet

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No interest in repairs myself. I have a couple of guys that don't necessarily work for me, but more along the lines of independent contractors, that i delegate repairs to sometimes. But definitely not a repair oriented business myself

  • @MrMotorchild
    @MrMotorchild 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Expanding, whatever. Tuning for proper alignment, absolutely. Peaking, no thanks.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Be a mud duck. Your choice lol

  • @jdisellitboy815
    @jdisellitboy815 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rooster will the radio work if I buy one from you if so I’m your guy

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Work for what?

    • @jdisellitboy815
      @jdisellitboy815 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Rooster_Radio I’m new to the hobby and just sent off my 148 GTL and I was looking for a little bit better radio for my base station at the house mainly single side band skip

  • @foxman362
    @foxman362 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice radios Rooster in TN.

  • @861-k1t
    @861-k1t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are people still using AM ?.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Does a bear shit in the woods?

    • @TheBudman302
      @TheBudman302 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hell Yea!!!

  • @cam_o_style91
    @cam_o_style91 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On thoses sites they don't say hamradio as well not cb

  • @sulphuranonymous618
    @sulphuranonymous618 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man… I wanted to buy from ya but just about everything was sold out.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sell a lot more than just radios. Radios are kind of a side thing. Sometimes I have a lot sometimes a little. That's why there's a preorder option

  • @toddgittins5692
    @toddgittins5692 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool, video!

  • @kylelint9032
    @kylelint9032 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Weird, my stock radios work just fine, better than a lot that have been "peaked and tuned". Funny how the video didn't mention anything about the antenna side of the equation..... I'd rather ensure i have my antenna system set up correctly than let someone tweak a radio that doesn't need tweaked.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Antennas are a whole other subject that I will discuss later. This wasn't an "intro to cb radio" video. This was more a video addressing people buying radios with the impression they'll talk CB out of the box.
      Also, what stock radios are you using? I will do a before and after video comparison between stock and modified, whatever radio you'd like.
      I think that would be an interesting video.

    • @kylelint9032
      @kylelint9032 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Rooster_Radio I run a quad 6 in one mobile, a quad 5N2 in the other mobile, and a 955 HPC, Yaesu FT-891, and FT-450D in the shack. I can understand letting them know that they are locked to 10 meters out of the box, but snipping a jumper or pressing a combination of buttons to unlock 11 meters isn't rocket science. I understand that a radio can be "peaked and tuned", but is it worth it to run the radio at an output higher than what the factory sets it at? I don't think the extra watts that are gained are going to do much. If they want to move the needle they should just run a stock radio with one of your Carl Builts.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kylelint9032 I'll do a video of what we're discussing and let you be the judge. I'll even try and test said radios with and without the same amplifier. We'll look at not only output but the difference made on a receive meter

    • @kylelint9032
      @kylelint9032 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Rooster_Radio sounds good, I'm interested to see what the difference in receive is. To be honest, I wasn't even thinking about that aspect, I was just thinking about the increase in output power. If the receive is a noticable difference I may send my 955 down to you.

    • @babisglykiotis2723
      @babisglykiotis2723 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kylelint9032 getting an expensive brand PerhapS due to quality control in most cases is fine out of the box no matter where purchased...but...got a cheap pni6500 to start with & thought ok will just snip the pins & will be fine (very easy process isn't rocket science) ...in my case was not like that, at high mode the am is making a noise if are less than 13V used (so is useless & yes i got correct Amps) & fm modulation was low, but i know some cases may be the opposite & also may be & off freq...apart that i lost warranty because i opened my self, while for little more euros the shop would had adjust all that for me & will not lose warranty...& yes the little extra watts gained, it does make difference at least in my case...but yes if need more needle is better to run carl builts

  • @trekster9269
    @trekster9269 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well, some of these are easy to "mod" and open bands.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're a truck driver or brand new to the hobby that's probably not something you want to worry with.
      Imagine buying a TV and thinking it's plug and play , only to find out you have to take the cover off, solder two wires, go into a hidden menu etc, before you can use it.

    • @trekster9269
      @trekster9269 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I get ya for sure. They aint plug and play. Also, most of us don't have the equipment to tune that audio.@@Rooster_Radio

  • @foxman362
    @foxman362 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We had that snow storm 2weeks ago my macov5000 antenna did very good week only thing had little snow on L shape where ring is at it melt. i had turn my quad5 on run during that big cold snap we had in rockwood,tn it in cold my porch got down 40degs 39degs it 14degs outside and 4degs quad5 they can handle up 22- and 122F.

  • @ericzerkle8486
    @ericzerkle8486 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've bought many unconverted radios and convert them myself. I have the know how, but the majority of cbers are as smart as a tree stump

  • @michael-cp4do
    @michael-cp4do 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dont buy from mudd duck out in the desert back at the bench

  • @jamesmcgee2447
    @jamesmcgee2447 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍🏻👍🏻

  • @kilroy205
    @kilroy205 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍

  • @coltsjason
    @coltsjason 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh and guys antenna antenna antenna and coax big box stores know nothing about that put a dam stock cb in my plastic freightliner try to use the stock coax and antenna in it you cant get out across the street these guys know what they talking about

  • @JasonCooper-em4gt
    @JasonCooper-em4gt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sold 10$

    • @JasonCooper-em4gt
      @JasonCooper-em4gt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I will take them rooster 🐓

  • @jameswagoner3309
    @jameswagoner3309 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You mean the people are buying 10 mtr radios and expecting them to be 11 meter radios out of the box?
    I don't know, I have a pristine Connex 50 watt mobile that I have talked all over the world on..... I made some of the most exotic DX contacts of my life, on the 12-meter band...... I've even had long conversations with Art Bell on 28.585....... with that 50 watt Connex in my 18-wheeler.... they work best when they're left alone in pristine condition.

    • @Rooster_Radio
      @Rooster_Radio  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jameswagoner3309 go back under your rock