I have had a good encounter with William Shatner. At Star Trek Las Vegas in 2019, I decided it was time to have a photo taken with him. I've been a Trekkie since 1966 when I was 11. I knew my photo op wouldn't allow any time for more than a brief word or two. As soon as I approached him I said, "After more than 50 years, I thought it was time we met." Then the photographer snapped the picture and I started to walk away. Just as I began to move, Mr. Shatner said "I'll see you here in another 50." I was pleasantly surprised that he took the effort to reply to my comment, especially since there were dozens/hundreds of others in line before and after me. I gave him a smile and a thumb's up and took a nice memory with me. The photo turned out well, too.
@SciFiDude 79 Not true. Shatner can be a bit douchey with fans. Especially if they're the rabid fanboi or fangurl type who gush too much. I used to do CreationCon security back in the 90s. Sounds like GoGreen1977 played it right with him.
@@GoGreen1977 That's why you had a good experience with Shatner. You can definitely be a fanboi or fangurl at any age. Age doesn't really come into it. I have an actor friend. He's friends with Gates McFadden. So I got to meet her under those circumstances. So totally different experience than I would have at a con. When these actors do cons, they prime themselves for an expected kind of interaction. There are a lot of crazies. Back when I was doing CreationCon security in the 90s. We had this crazy woman who'd always come and demand to speak with Commander Data, NOT Brent Spiner. Because she had information for him that was vital to the very survival of the Federation. Okay. Let me get out my Klingon pain stick and then it's off to slave planet Bellevue for you. We spent a lot of effort keeping her far away from Brent Spiner. Only regret is we never did find out what that vital information was. I'm sure it would have been fascinating to hear.
@@GoGreen1977 Yeah, me too. I was about a decade behind you, but upon seeing the show in syndication, I developed a schoolgirl crush on Shatner...followed by a schoolgirl crush on Harrison Ford. :) Had I met either in person during that period of time, they would have been annoyed. I think I managed to annoy Jonathan Frakes at a _Star Trek_ convention and I was but one annoying twenty-something in a large crowd. Sometime after that, I sent pictures to the TNG and DS9 actors for autographs. A note that accompanied the picture I sent to Frakes mentioned the outburst. He was the only actor who didn't return a signed pic. XD I was a little put out at the time, but I can now empathize with his position, assuming he even remembered me and disliked the fawning to the point of not returning a signed photo. Probably, it got lost or he was too busy. (As an aside, I've always doubted the authenticity of autographs sent through the mail. Is there any way to prove their authenticity or lack thereof? I still have them packed away somewhere.) Once I got older, _Star Trek_ , _Star Wars_ , Indiana Jones and various pop culture icons meant much less to me. I still enjoy _Star Trek_ to some degree, but the fact it has too charitable a view of human nature is bothersome. When I go to watch TOS, I think, "Lie to me, sweet _Star Trek_ " and indulge in make-believe. Sometimes we all need to lie to ourselves for awhile, but it's important to remember that we are, in fact, doing so. Getting back to the point: It must be difficult for actors who get recognized everywhere they go. I'm willing to give most of them a pass for being rude in certain situations. I mean, they're probably dealing with people who resemble schoolgirl or twenty-something me. I'd be annoyed, too. :) TL;DR: I tend to overshare when I've been cooped up too long. You can thank COVID-19 and my fast typing for this overlong comment.
Considering the sheer number of people Shatner has alienated, there _has_ to be something off-putting about his personality. That said, the only two stories I heard about him from friends were extremely positive. Here is one of those stories: A friend I knew was tending bar when Shatner walked in. They had a long conversation, part of which included Shatner's enthusiasm for a certain restaurant. The next day, Shatner sent her lunch from that restaurant. When I've shared this story before, people have commented he was merely coming on to a woman. Maybe. But he knew he was never going to see her again and he certainly didn't have to send her lunch. You have to admit it was a thoughtful gesture. The conclusion to draw is that human beings are inconsistent. We all have a dark side. In my opinion, the dark side really _is_ stronger and not merely easier, quicker and more seductive. History has indicted and convicted human nature of being mostly evil. Our execution is coming. Evolution gave us fatal flaws. The result will be a Greek tragedy on a global scale. I give the human race 150 years, tops. Probably, the end will come sooner than that.
There's alot more between Shatner and Nimoy's feud. I think you can see the straw that broke the camel's back on Shatner's own talk show. Nimoy was really proud of a photography book he had just publish. So of course Shatner compared it to a Playboy shot he helped with. You can see Nimoy's blood start to boil over this. Right after this show Nimoy quickly distanced himself from their friendship. Shatner always has to be the center of attention.
Leonard Nimoy is an adult. And William Shatner is a whiney little boy who wishes he had even half the talent as Leonard Nimoy had - - May he rest in peace.
Shatner is vain. He's not the only star I've heard similar things bout, wanting shots framed differently, demanding they get the best lines etc., and most importantly make sure other people don't get focus. It's very selfish and I'm surprised any Actor's Union tolerates this. I know it was in the 60s but I doubt he's changed. The calls should be made on what is good for the show not to massage people's ego. Pandering to this behaviour not only damages the integrity of a show but creates a toxic working environment which is obviously bad for a show unless you're trying to create that atmosphere for artistic reasons and certainly a show like ST doesn't need that. You might take that path in a film but not in a TV series. However given his age people should be gentle with Shatner now - he's not going to change and we have to except him for who he is. He was a very important part of ST but definitely not more so than Leonard Nimoy. Spock from the 1st series is much better than Spock from the 3rd series - not that I'm blaming WS for that but he didn't help - and that's sad.
@@hammyhamster8349 Oh he's very much the same. Had a short series I think it was on Discovery channel called How William Shatner Changed the World. He didn't changed the world Gene Roddenberry did. He has to the center even if it's a lie. Then him hosting 911 and standing there and letting his wife drown because he didn't want to get his hair wet. That was quickly canceled thank God. He should be ashamed on how he treated his co stars but that would take emotions he just doesn't have. I meant him once in the 1990s at Star Trek Convention and he truly is an asshole.
@@kennethbaker5223 I'm not angry maybe you can't handle the truth. Takei was on Stern a few weeks ago stating basically the same thing he's said about Shatner for years. So does that make all of his co stars angry too? Get over yourself.
@Michael Williams Spock. Data. The Doctor/Seven, T'Pol, Burnham They are the same basic role - "person trying to discovery their humanity". If they had the same feud in the background, that is oddly fitting :D
I remember seeing Brent Spiner in a TNG cast interview many years ago. I’ll never forget what he said when the subject of Captain Kirk came up. “We all hate Shatner.”
Regarding Kate Mulgrew’s disliking of Jeri Ryan’s casting as ‘eye candy for the boys’, I can’t recall the exact wording, but I do recall Kate saying something along the lines of ‘I realised later that Jeri couldn’t be blamed for how God made her’
My dad and I were watching Voyager one day and, when 7 of 9 walked into sickbay, the doctor asked her, " How are you implants"? Both of us lost it in laughter.
What made Mulgrew's actions worse was that during Ryan's tenure on the show, her marriage was undergoing serious difficulties, and while she kept the cause of her eventual divorce private and off the set, it came out later that Ryan had been pressuring her to have public sex acts, etc. So imagine a spouse that is demanding kinky and potentially career-damaging sex acts and Mulgrew acting spiteful during her job, and you get an idea just how stressful Ryan's life really was.
What are you even talking about? You couldn’t tell with the other shows on screen AND they aren’t on Twitter STILL ARGUING. TOS had more public drama than any other series.
@@commiecomrade2644 Can't speak for the other series, never watched them. It's TOS and the feature films for me, which I have watched a trillion times.
Yes definitely Meyer if one would assume ,he understood that in the 23rd century we will all be the same when it came to Xenophobia and ''isms'' .Roddenberry lived in a world of seeing the future as Altruistic and Progressivism .Imperial Middle is more truthfully.
@@darvennej4495 In order to overcome a flaw, you must first have the flaw and accept yoi have the flaw. Undiscovered Country was very much this - Kirks journey to evercome his flaw.
Why was Sulu the Captain of the Excelsior in Star Trek VI? Because by that point Takei and Shatner couldn’t stand to be on the same set with one another but Takei didn’t want to disappoint the fans by not showing up at all.
I met George Takai at a book signing at my local book store in Whittier, an old Quaker town. Hr was so nice, said he loved our little town and signed 2 books and a photo. Someone in line was giving out pictures, which kind of confused him, he said I hope these aren't for sale. He had a laugh when the guy giving them away said they were free. I said, I'll treasure this, never sell it. He shook my hand, he had soft hands.
Nimoy and Shatner had a favored nations clause in their contract since the TV series. What one got the other got. That continued through the movies. That's how Shatner was about to get the director's chair for V.
Acting is a tough business. A lot of rejection for bullshit reasons. You have to be tough to just survive, much succeed in it like Shatner has done. It's a full contact sport. Shatner most definitely has professional hockey enforcer level skills.
@@lokisgodhi Pretty much. Think about how Shatner's feuding with James Doohan doesn't even crack this list. Heck, think about his active determination to keep feuding with Mike Stoklasa and Red Letter Media despite every effort of just about everyone else to smooth things over.
@@mikeb8674 - Just about the only good thing you can say about WIlliam Shatner is that he's occasionally a very good actor, when he really feels like it.
Although Shatner does come across as an ass, my biggest issue with him is his lack of acting ability. I would much rather have seen the series with Jeffrey Hunter. Shatner came across as a wannabe Shakespeare player. 😎
In her autobiographical book, "Uhura Speaks", Nichelle Nichols described Shatner as a prima dona and very hard to get along with. Though, as director of a movie (was it "The Final Frontier"?) he became more civil. Good read or listen, too.
I was born in the late sixties, I grew up in the 70's and 80's(O.G. S.T.) and was a young dad in the 90's (S.T.N.G - DS9). Now that I'm rapidly approaching 60 being a life long Trekker (a Gen X'er thru and thru) it does my heart good to see this love for trek in capable young hands. I cannot thank you enough for your love and altruistic care for a world treasure that could have gone unappreciated and canceled due to ignorance. KUTGW live long and prosper! ❤
I'm surprised you left off Rick Berman vs everyone. Not alot of cast and crew have nice things to say about him. Also his issues directly affected production and story for TNG to enterprise, as he was the person who was seen as in charge or Trek after Roddenberry past.
@@jesuszamora6949 Connor Trinear and Dominic Keating had him on their youtube channel the shuttlepod show. Dunno if they were doing it for the clicks but they seemed to all get along. It's women that Berman couldn't get along with. Terry Farrell, Mulgrew to say the least. He had a few positive impacts. He stood up for avery brooks when the suits wanted him replaced with a white actor, he stood up for mulgrew when they wanted to replace her with a male actor. He takes too much crap for keeping star trek serialized. The millennials don't know the pain of watching a partially serialized show with multi episode stories on syndicated broadcast. Networks would always air them out of order. They preempted sacrifice of angels when on my station when it first aired, they showed a re-run the next week then showed dax and worf getting married. I suppose they retook the station then. Didn't see sacrifice of angels until the following summer. But yes, he was a pig.
Roddenberry: Racism between humans and Kingons shouldn't exist. Also Roddenberry: Lets have Dr McCoy make a racist comment to Spock every other line throughout the show and the movies.
As Spock was my favourite character I did get not only tired but genuinely annoyed at the way McCoy spoke to him throughout the series. One moment McCoy was calling him a computer and the next accusing him of ambition & pettiness. If I were Spock I wouldn't call him a friend even if I enjoyed much of the banter. But as well as a source of "comedy" maybe Rodenberry was highlighting the racism by making you have sympathy for Spock. McCoy was well aware that Spock had feelings.
@@marcelo3939 I was thinking that too but I'm going to say that was part of a defence mechanism. At the same time as a lot of it was true, Spock isn't Data so he knew what he was saying, maybe just a little comeback for the comments against him being unfeeling which he clearly wasn't.
I don't understand why people didn't like her, she was actually a favorite character of mine from TNG. Despite ostensibly being "colder and more clinical" she shows that she cares, the one example that immediately springs to mind is the Klingon tea ceremony. If Worf had invited Beverly she would just have taken him at his word but Pulaski actually went the extra mile.
If TH-cam let me add pictures to comments, I'd insert the Michael Jackson popcorn eating meme *here*. I knew about Berman vs Teri Farrell, but everyone hated him? 🙃 Oh, do tell....
Takei's set in the Roast of William Shatner was pretty great. Only people with a long history together could deliver such loving vitriol. Pulaski was a decent character (played by a very good actress) who simply didn't mesh with the rest of the characters. I honestly think Ro also didn't mesh well with the rest of the characters. I'm a little surprised that the Shatner-Doohan feud didn't make the list.
It was not only Shatner and Tokai, but also Shatner fighting with the four of the "lesser" roles: James Doohan, Nichelle Nichols, and Walter Koenig. Shatner is such a Diva, granted justified in many ways. I myself saw Doohan back during a Trek Convention, Miami during the later 1980s (just after the Whale episode, ST-4). Doohan was amazing, so talented, funny, brilliant. The drunker he got, the funnier he was. Doohan was extremely critical of Shatner. One of his famous lines was (from memory) "I like Captain Kirk, but not Shatner." Also at present Tokai no longer fights with Shatner. He has finally decided to let it go, after all, to quote (or paraphrase), "Bill will be Bill." There were also known issues with Roddenberry and Shatner, as well as Wil Wheaton and Shatner. From what I can tell, few people who worked with Shatner liked him.
I would love to have seen a Celebrity Deathmatch version of this list, in particular Pulaski Vs the entire TNG crew. The closest we'll get is Shatner Vs Burt Reynolds which they actually did LOL.
He seems to be the kind of person that doesn't really consciously try to be a jerk but manages to anyway. The giant ego probably has something to do with it.
Learning about these past conflicts makes me realize that the modern behind-scenes dramas in popular shows and media aren't unusual except in that the reach of the internet at its current scale amplifies them much more than in the past. Perhaps TV shows and movies would carry on better if we all participated in social media less, such as that those conflicts might resolve behind the scenes in a less volatile manner.
The catagory could have been called 10 People Who Hated Working With William Shatner, or 10 People Whom William Shatner pissed off during Star Trek...lol
Voyager was a great show but when Jeri Ryan showed-up it was Wonderful! I would never miss an episode. She is Beautiful and a fine actress. That lady stops time when she makes an entrance :)
Shes basically a sexy Vulcan, it doesn't take a good actor to play this. Showing emotion is what makes them good, not dull and Vulcan like when you're not Vulcan. You just think she's hot
As for the Shatner/Takei feud, I'm with Bill Shatner on this one. He has repeatedly apologized to Takei (Shatner admitted he was very single-minded during the show and moves, and that probably irked Takei), saying he was sorry in interviews, magazines, and his own biographies. Takei just won't let it go. As for the wedding why would Takei even invite a man whom he publicly despised? Walter Koening admitted that he was 'used' by Takei at his wedding for no more than publicity purposes (he and Takei weren't that close but George insisted he be Best Man). Takei took they whole thing WAY to seriously!
Shatner and Nimoy did get along before filming finished on the TV series. Nimoy actually had problems with alcohol and it was Shatner who realised this and helped him. Their were a number of feuds and problems on Star Trek. William Shatner and Walter Koenig. Shatner at a reunion couldn't even remember Keonig's name. Koenig was not happy about this. TNG cast and the director of Star Trek Nemesis. There were a number of reasons for this but the main one that came out not long after the film did was the way the director treated the female cast members especially Marina Sirtis. He felt she was eye candy for the film. He would put her down all the time on set and even cut some of her lines from the script. The TNG cast had grown to feel like a family so they were not happy about this and took Marina's side Denise Crosby and the Star Trek TNG producers. Crosby hated her character on her show and that is why she was killed of in season 1. She only returned later on in the show to play a different character a she felt the new character was better. Robert Beltram and Jeri Ryan. Robert Beltram felt when Ryan came in she was taking scenes and lines from other actors like him and was not happy about it. Chris Hemswoth/Chris Pine and Paramount Pictures. In what was labelled to be Star Trek 4 in the Star Trek Kelvin timeline. Chris Pine's Kirk was supposed to meet his father in the plot of the film even though he died in the 2009 film. Chris Pine's father in the 2009 film was played by Chris Hemsworth. At the time of the 2009 film Hemsworth was an unknown actor and so got a small pay packet for it. But since then he has played Thor in the MCU and has become a huge name. Hemsworth agreed to do Star Trek 4 but he wanted a big pay day to do so. Chris Pine felt since he played Captain Kirk in the films he should have a pay similar to Hemsworth's. The problem for Paramount is they do the Star Trek films on a certain budget and make small profit off the films. They make more money of the merchandise and deals with companies who use the films to promote their products. Paramount knew if they agreed to Pine and Hemsworth's pay demands they would either have to do the film on a small budget or raise the budget and lose money on the film, so the film got cancelled.
The Robert Beltram and Jeri Ryan is an interesting one. I mean on one hand it was obvious to everyone watching that once Jeri Ryan proved she isn't just eye candy but a pretty decent actor too, she was given more and more screen time (the same happened with Picardo's Doctor). So of course that would have been contentious point for the actors who were in the show from the beginning. But at the same time I read multiple times that Robert Beltram was extremely dissatisfied with his role and with the sanctimonious way Chakotay was written (the oooh so noble and wise American Indian) and that he actually hated the role and it was noticeable on his "wooden" performance. So I would expect him not to care much whether Jeri gets more screen time or not.
Just a slight correction of detail: Denise Crosby did in fact return to reprise her role of Yar a few years later in the very excellent (my opinion) episode "Yesterday's Enterprise". So to say she only returned to play a completely different character (A Romulan) is factualy not correct.
I can't believe you didn't even mention Joline Blalok, even as an honorable mention. Most fans of enterprise now are fully aware of her distaste for it and the fact that she has completely distance herself from anything Star Trek. I think she deserved a place of honor on this list. Her character was one of my favorites on Enterprise and it is a shame that she has become so disenchanted with Star Trek
Strange since it is probably the biggest and longest gig she has ever had and will be known for. Maybe she was treated poorly by the show runners or others with the show?
She hasn't distanced herself from Star Trek because of a dislike for the material, cast, writers, or producers. She married a billionaire, so she doesn't need to do the convention circuit because she doesn't need the money (according to what several other cast members have stated).
I had forgotten that Nimoy was more popular with fans than Shatner. Even though Shatner was supposed be lead character in series. Now, I understand why he fought so hard maintain his position on series
Sincere or not. You can kindly respond to an insincere invite with a polite decline. But Shatner said he wasn't invited at all, making it seem like Takei was lying when he said he invited him. That's shady. If you don't believe that someone wants you at a wedding and is only asking you to be polite, you respond with a polite decline and send a gift or just decline and send nothing. That's not what happened.
@@candacen7779 That's assuming Shatner actually received an invitation. Or it was sent in a timely manner. I can see it being sent to him deliberately in a sketchy manner so that he didn't get it in time or sent to his business manager. So by the time it got handled and sent to Shatner the wedding was over. So Takei could get maximum mileage from claiming Shatner didn't come publicly.
@@sunspot42 Baloney. Shatner reputed got along well with James Spader from Boston Legal. Takei is weak and has a axe to grind with Shatner. Doing so publicly gets Takei attention. So Takei needs the feud with Shatner to continue. The diametric opposite is not true. Shatner is not weak. He doesn't have an axe to grind with Takei. He doesn't need a feud with Takei to get attention. If Takei fell off the face of the earth and was never heard from again it would have no impact on Shatner's fame whatsoever. *SO, it's far more likely that Takei is the one lying about it.* Takei has far more to gain by doing so.
I bought the dvd Mindmeld and at the end Shatner tells Nimoy "you're my best friend".. i want to believe that was always the case and by 2015 they'd just had their lives separated from each other, because they weren't completely bound by their star trek lives.
I have the exact same DVD and my memory is that Nimoy said those words to Shatner at the very end. It made an impression on me because an unusual thing for Nimoy to say. He was usually more reserved about such things. Anyway I also have a DVD of them appearing together at a convention in the early 90s. Their friendship was real and it was close. Pity it ended badly.
Seems strange you don’t mention Shatner & James Doohan. I met and spoke with Jimmy several times. He was one of the nicest gentlemen I have ever met. But he NEVER had a single good word to say about Shatner. And there was never any attempt at a resolution.
Regarding Diana Muldaur not being signed on for the third season there was an additional reason beyond the issues you brought up. I remember reading that the real issue was that she had trouble memorizing her lines and having to constantly prompt her was getting irritating on cast and crew. Too bad, I actually enjoyed the Dr. Pulaski character. They should have brought back Dr. Crusher and kept Dr. Pulaski for season three. That would have made a pretty full-season subplot of the two doctors developing a mutual dislike for each other. One of the real problems with The Next Generation is it didn't have a story arc. There was no sense of connectedness one episode to the next. The competing doctors theme might have made season three more interesting by providing an arc.
I'm in the same boat, I actually preferred Pulaski to Crusher. Plus she got to have some character development over the season regarding Data that nobody ever seems to bring up when reviewing her.
It was either or....it wasn't decided on until after he won sexiest man that they decided to get rid of kes instead of kim...or nelix, why didn't they get rid of him
I preferred Pulaski to Crusher, so appear to be in a minority in that view. The reason is that Pulaski had a very no-nonsense rational attitude I admired.
@@thinkforyourself2109 I'm with you there. Someone not prepared to back down even with the captain makes for more interesting watching. It does mess up mother/son plots but overall I felt Muldaur was the better actor.
Soft "g" on David Gerrold's last name. 😊 Loved the shot of the old "Sugar Smacks" at 4:09...used to "dig 'em" when I was a kid, oblivious to the merchandising going on without due payment going to the cast members.
Although I love the TNG cast, Diana Muldaur was treated shoddily by them (minus Michael Dorn). To begin with they were upset by what had gone down with Gates McFadden being fired, and it didn't help matters that Muldaur was given what some of the cast felt was preferential treatment by the show's producers. Muldaur talks about this in her Television Academy interview (link below) but she was paid more money than everyone except Stewart, and producers allowed Muldaur to wear a more comfortable variation of the Starfleet Uniform after she refused to wear the one piece spandex version that all the actors, particularly Stewart, hated. Added to that, Muldaur had trouble remembering the medial jargon in her lines, and had to use cue cards which allegedly sent Stewart over the top. This was something Marina Sirtis herself confirmed at a Toronto Convention in 2012 when Gates made a joke about being fired, Marina said it was so nice when Gates came back because they didn't have to tape her lines all over sickbay. Director Paul Lynch who worked on TNG during his second season stated that in the TNG Companion (or similar type Trek production book) that Muldaur left the set in tears numerous times and was not surprised that she didn't return after the second season.
Wow... That is rough. I always hated how they just dropped her character off a cliff like that but I never knew they were such douchebags to her on set.
7 of 9 may have been brought on as a sex symbol and eye candy in a catsuit... but not only is that not Geri Ryan’s fault, but the character was the opposite of what you’d expect from the blatant sex symbol in a 90s tv show... she was the smartest character on the show, even smarter than Tuvok and The Doctor, she never used her sexuality and beauty as currency or a crutch, and she was possibly the STRONGEST character as well, physically and mentally. She was independent, dealt with trauma with grace and dignity, and Geri played her to a T... if Mulgrew should’ve had an issue with anyone, it should be Rick Berman. Geri is a total hero for women and girls, just a much as Janeway... and definitely way more than Kes.
One could argue 7 of 9 was written that way to give her more screen time because she was Braga's personal favorite. He wanted to see his favorite sex symbol on screen more and wrote it so that she would get more time, dialogue and character development as a result. The writers didn't need to play up her sexuality or beauty because you already had so many characters reacting to it at every opportunity thereby reinforcing the message. Not having 7 react to it in the stereotypical fashion that usually occurred in sci-fi films and TV doesn't make her use as a tool of titillation for fanboys any less disconcerting. On top of that, Jeri was saddled with the responsibility of promoted the show significantly more than any other actor based on the idea that she was the most popular character. That couldn't have made Kate very happy since she is indeed the show's lead. I don't think Kate shouldn't have taken it out on Jeri, but it does send mixed messages to young girls and women when producers give the obvious sex symbol of the show the spotlight and turn her into every straight man's "dream girl" while the captain is essentially made to play second fiddle for a show she's been on since the beginning. As for role models, one could easily make the argument that the show is saying that young girls and women can be anything, as long as people think you're hot. And behind the scenes, it could be interpreted that more doors will open for you if men want to sleep with you, even if you don't respond to it or encourage them. And sadly, that reality is still alive and well.
It actually annoys me that when they brought her back for Picard she's shown to be weaker than she should logically be. Forget the ledge toss, she should be able to snap that Romulan like a twig.
Ironically the only time her sexiness was used was when Seven's body was inhabited by the Doctor but it was funny seeing her make Kim uncomfortable in an earlier episode.
This fan always liked Pulaski! 😊 She was better written than Crusher and Troi, she actually felt like a real person. I can't think of any women on TNG apart from Pulaski and Ro who weren't just caricatures of what Berman thought a woman was.
I thought Pulaski was cool, but replacing Crusher so abruptly pretty much assured she'd never be accepted on TNG. Kinda sucks they didn't have her return for DS9 or Voyager, I think a fresh start would have helped the character and the actress.
I agree ..I liked Pulaski a whole lot more. Crusher was far too smug and sanctimonious about everything. Even Q realized it, and turned her into a yapping dog in one episode.
Nice vid! Off topic, but what the hay… Back in like, ‘90, my friend and I cosplayed as Borg and attended a Trek Con. We entered the cosplay contest and won; made it into local paper! Mr Shatner spoke and I fell asleep in costume; missing majority of his talk. D’oh!
True. Takei has claimed that Shatner's selfishness kept him from becoming a "star". But he was never going to be a star. He was a bit-player in a 60s TV show, way down in the cast-list. On top of that, watch the show - He's simply _not_ a very good actor...
Sulu is the only TOS character I can't stand. Everyone had somehow a chemistry on screen but he felt out of place and also too flat. Sulu had three seasons, Chekov two. But Chekov was way more developed as him.
Shatner promoting Rocket Labs first rocket launch here in 2018 Nz was awesome. Also his one liner about sending Prime Minister Jacinda Aderns baby into space!
It's interesting the mention (at 4:18) that Leonard Nimoy disliked Gene Roddenberry. Nimoy was finally persuaded to return as Spock (he would not have appeared in the planned "Star Trek: Phase Two" series that got preempted when they decided to make a movie instead), and in Star Trek II, Spock wasn't even in the first draft of the script because everyone knew Nimoy wanted no more to do with the role. He was brought in, but Spock (as we know) was killed to allow Nimoy an exit -- it's long been rumored that Nimoy even made Spock's death a condition of his return, but that may not be true. However, Nimoy ended up actually enjoying the role for the first time in years, and liking the way the character was developed -- you'll note that this is a mellower, less intense Spock who seems to have made peace with his emotional human half, which makes sense after his mild-meld with V'Ger in the first film revealed to him how empty and rudderless a being of pure logic was. So, they had to figure a way to bring Spock back, as Nimoy wanted to continue in the role after all. But this mention of Nimoy's dislike of Roddenberry does make me wonder if he would have felt the same way had Paramount not taken creative control away from Roddenberry after the _enormous_ budget overrun, and lukewarm critical reception from TMP had made its profit margin much smaller than it should have been. Roddenberry was "kicked upstairs" to the powerless position of "executive consultant," and control of the movies was turned over to Harve Bennett. One wonders if Nimoy would have been willing to return to the franchise if he'd still had to deal with Roddenberry.
Concerning Kate Mulgrew, one episode of Voyager that stands out for me is "Bride of Chaotica!" That's because - as Chaotica - she was dressed like a female bad girl from the 1930s. When I saw her in that outfit, I thought "Whoa, I never knew Captain Janeway could look that sexy!" While I agree her portrayal as a strong female character was the right move for Voyager, it was nice that - for that episode at least - she was allowed to "strut her stuff," so to speak.
I always looked at as this: Spock by that point in his life was OLD (even for a Vulcan), basically in his twilight years, and all of a sudden he's back in time during the era of his youth; the prime of his life. He is getting to see his old friends again. (one of his belongings that Young Spock inherited was a picture of himself on his final adventure with his friends, clearly; Spock missed his friends) He is getting the very unique chance to see things play out again but with a twist. He knows the capabilities of his younger self and his crewmates as well as Starfleet and the Federation. He knows the Vulcan people can endure. Plus, he probably knows that even if he left the timeline, the Kelvin Timeline would continue in his absence, and in this timeline; the Vulcan people need help that he can certainly give. (plus he probably felt guilty for the loss of Romulus, cuz he PROMISED the Romulans he'd save them; and he failed) In short; he got the rarest gift any old man could ever want; a chance to see his old friends again in their prime, living out their own adventures. He got to die happy seeing that.
I'm addicted to Star Trek and have watched nearly all the shows and movies. Yes I'm also aware of William and George's fight.. Though unfortunate it's predictable.
Sometimes, I think the less we know about problems behind the scenes the better off we are. Knowing about these issues I think would detract from fully enjoying the episodes as we're watching them; Instead, you're analyzing all that information and becoming distracted instead of being entertained.
It should be worth noting part of the reason the original script for "City on the Edge of Forever" was rewritten was because the original script was not viable for TV. Things like budget, practicality, sets, time to film, and so forth, need to be taken into account, and these things factored into the rewrite. The original script won an award for best teleplay, but tt was still not feasible to shoot.
I understand why some people don't like Shatner. But for the life of me, I'll never understand why so many people think it's cool to make fun of Bill Shatner for wearing a toupee. In my book, it is never cool to make fun of somebody for their physical shortcomings. It's not Shatner's fault that he went bald at a young age. That happens to lots of men, and it is in no way a reflection of their character. What was Shatner supposed to do? Not wear a toupee? He's an actor. If William Shatner hadn't worn a toupee, there is no way in hell he ever would have been cast as Captain Kirk - or any other leading-man role in any other production. He would've been relegated to smaller character roles for his entire career. He was an attractive guy when he was young, and wearing the toupee allowed him to get much better roles. It's a no-brainer, and something that plenty of other actors have done, so I don't understand why so many people think it's a good reason to make fun of him.
@@fyreflye100 I agree however, it's a Comedy Central Roast where nothing was off limits to make fun of. The Shat signed up for it knowing the panelists would rip him apart and it was hilarious!
@@keepinmeuppodcast76 I understand, but I see it everywhere. Practically every time Shatner's name comes up in any context, somebody has to make a toupee joke. It's the lowest, cheapest form of humor.
I like what Takei said to Shatner during the latter's Comedy Central Roast, something he said he'd been wanting to say for years: "F*** you. AND the horse you rode in on!" I had actually forgotten that there was a lot of friction between them.
But they did have an endearing moment at the "William Shatner Roast". George said some really "Nice" things XD. My favorite was, "I waited 40 years to tell you this. #% and the horse you rode in on." :) XD. If you didn't see the roast, you should check it out.
I watched Betty White and William Shatner at SDCC. Shatner talked the whole time, when it came to questions, every question was for Betty. You could see how angry this made Shatner. He's really petty.
Interesting..I knew about some of these, but never really ahd the Shatner/Takei thing explained to me and I still don't know that I really understand it. I think it's a shame Pulaski/Muldair didn't really work out. I liked that she was a little more prickly. I felt like TNG did need a bit more "internal conflict" and it seemed like Pulaski was sort of a step in that direction. I'm sure Gates is a lovely person but I never thought much of Crusher as a character. I did feel like Data would have to earn the respect of the crew and that it would take time for him to be thought of as more than just a machine, but that only seemed to be the case with the one character -- that was always weird to me, and toward the end of the season she seemed to be softening toward him. Oh well.
@@dixonhill1108 More importantly she also had shortcomings and had started developing a deeper character by the time they unceremoniously axed her. By the time they had made her transporter phobia a partial focus of an episode, and exploring this further would have been interesting. They rely on that tech so much in the show that it shows what a determined person she must be just to serve on a starship.
I do think they tried harder with that than a lot of TV shows certainly through to "Enterprise". I'm not saying they didn't drop the ball from time to time but for the most part they made an effort to be consistent with their own ideas & concepts..
Interestingly DeForest Kelley has described having to be a peacemaker at times on the TOS set between Bill & Leonard. He implied Shatner behaved in a way that was damaging but "unknowingly". He said he personally didn't have an issue with him. Enjoyed the video, it is presented in a balanced way. The only surprising one to me was Moore & Braga, I knew Moore had had problems in the Voyager writing room but didn't realise it was Braga-related.
Things often change when you go from being equals in the workplace to one person then being the boss. Moore quickly diagnosed and questioned issues with Voyager’s writing in general (For example, he was told it didn’t matter how whatever Torres was going through affected Paris, even though he was her boyfriend. He couldn’t understand the lack of consequences in the show), and Braga didn’t handle it constructively.
Out of the original films undiscovered country is arguably the best movie. Out of all trek movies, it's without a doubt first contact and nothing will change my mind 🖖
The theatrical release of undiscovered country is quite good, but further revisions have marred it a bit. Also, it's kind of inexcusable that Saavik wasn't in the role of Valeris as she had history with klingons that would have suited the role. Maybe it would have given some of the plot away but I doubt it.
@@djth9147 I completely forgot about that, interesting to meet someone who read the serviceable novel. 2 and 6 both create the impression of movies that had to be worked and reworked into good movies, maybe that's why so many toes get stepped on but the quality ends up being high.
There's no doubt in my mind that 2,6 & 8 all superb movies. What stood out for me regarding FC was I came out the cinema feeling that even if I wasn't a Trek fan I think I would still have thought it's one of the best Sci-fi films ever made. It's still difficult to choose between those 3.
Takei is a drama queen, and while I'm sure Shatner was a PITA to work with on ToS, because he was still trying to build his brand, Takei has single-handedly kept their feud alive ever since.
oh, maaan. i was in love with Jennifer Lien and Kate Mulgrew. I had liked Kate ever since Mrs. Columbo, for those of you who remember that short-lived show. Jeri was nice, and a darn good actress, but I wish they could have kept Jennifer. I really liked the Kes Character. It was a bad idea to limit her lifespan to 3 years. As for The Shat. I love Shatner. I do. I did a lot of research on Shatner for a book. I can tell you he would often stop the shoot and have a talk with the director, like this: "Joe, Uhura doesn't need to say that line. Tell you what: *I* will say the line, and you can just KEEP THE CAMERA ON ME." (emphasis mine). And he would do this IN FRONT of Nichelle. He stepped on so many of her lines, that often, her entire contribution for an episode would be [say it with me] "Hailing frequencies are open, Captain." And THAT is why she threatened to walk off the show, and MLK talked her into staying. Shatner did a lot of damage, but he was such a narcissist, he never realized it. He thought he was doing what's best for the show.
"...He thought he was doing what's best for the show..." In fact, he was. No one tuned in to watch Uhura, Chekov, Scotty or Sulu. It was the mid-60s. The whole "ensemble-cast" concept wasn't even a thing until sitcoms like the Mary Tyler Moore show came along several years later...
Yeah, I missed Kes, as the character had SO much potential which Jennifer Lien did an EXCELLENT job with. I TRULY missed her (I'm a "fan" of Character Development ) when they wrote her out and replaced her with Seven, which in MY opinion was VERY WELL executed - far and away better than she was written - by Jerry Ryan. It was INCREDIBLY difficult getting past the Chrome Jump-Suit as an easy short-cut to "sexuality" (which SKILLED writers and costumers COULD have done far better if they'd taken the trouble) and see the CHARACTER, but Jerry Ryan did an ADMIRABLE job developing such a 1-dimensional character (as written) that her overall performance has endured as well as it has since. That said, I REALLY like the overall working-dynamic of the Kes period, better than the 1-direction/no-growth story arc of Seven, woven throughout the remainder of the series. Gorgeous and capable, yes, but one-dimensional, nonetheless - FAR more capably executed than written.
@@Reddotzebra Perhaps it did. The point remains that Kirk, Spock and McCoy were the main characters - And their interactions were the heart of the show.
Entirely possible. I really hope they resolve this issue before either of them die. Before we meet God, we should at least try to make peace with those we can.
What about Deforest Kelley and William Shatner? Shatner was a guest on Conan O'Brien (back when he was on CBS) and said the two never spoke off-set. It seems one day Kelley came to work very upset because his dog (small Yorkie or similar toy breed) had died. He explained to Shatner the dog was out playing in the front yard when the sprinkler system came on and the dog ran into one of the sprinkler heads and broke his neck. Shatner apparently laughed so hard that Kelley never spoke to him again. Not sure if Shatner made that up or not, but that's the story he told in the interview. He also did a cool "Shatnerization" of Itsy Bitsy Spider....I can't find the footage anywhere but it was pretty cool :).
They need to direct their support to that poor ill woman from star trek voyager who went to jail. She is very sad and needs compassion from many to help her
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I have had a good encounter with William Shatner. At Star Trek Las Vegas in 2019, I decided it was time to have a photo taken with him. I've been a Trekkie since 1966 when I was 11. I knew my photo op wouldn't allow any time for more than a brief word or two. As soon as I approached him I said, "After more than 50 years, I thought it was time we met." Then the photographer snapped the picture and I started to walk away. Just as I began to move, Mr. Shatner said "I'll see you here in another 50." I was pleasantly surprised that he took the effort to reply to my comment, especially since there were dozens/hundreds of others in line before and after me. I gave him a smile and a thumb's up and took a nice memory with me. The photo turned out well, too.
@SciFiDude 79 Not true. Shatner can be a bit douchey with fans. Especially if they're the rabid fanboi or fangurl type who gush too much. I used to do CreationCon security back in the 90s. Sounds like GoGreen1977 played it right with him.
@@lokisgodhi And I'm hardly a "fangurl", with emphasis on the "gurl" part. Now when I was 11 or 12, I might have done some gushing!
@@GoGreen1977 That's why you had a good experience with Shatner. You can definitely be a fanboi or fangurl at any age. Age doesn't really come into it. I have an actor friend. He's friends with Gates McFadden. So I got to meet her under those circumstances. So totally different experience than I would have at a con. When these actors do cons, they prime themselves for an expected kind of interaction. There are a lot of crazies. Back when I was doing CreationCon security in the 90s. We had this crazy woman who'd always come and demand to speak with Commander Data, NOT Brent Spiner. Because she had information for him that was vital to the very survival of the Federation. Okay. Let me get out my Klingon pain stick and then it's off to slave planet Bellevue for you. We spent a lot of effort keeping her far away from Brent Spiner. Only regret is we never did find out what that vital information was. I'm sure it would have been fascinating to hear.
@@GoGreen1977 Yeah, me too. I was about a decade behind you, but upon seeing the show in syndication, I developed a schoolgirl crush on Shatner...followed by a schoolgirl crush on Harrison Ford. :) Had I met either in person during that period of time, they would have been annoyed.
I think I managed to annoy Jonathan Frakes at a _Star Trek_ convention and I was but one annoying twenty-something in a large crowd. Sometime after that, I sent pictures to the TNG and DS9 actors for autographs. A note that accompanied the picture I sent to Frakes mentioned the outburst. He was the only actor who didn't return a signed pic. XD I was a little put out at the time, but I can now empathize with his position, assuming he even remembered me and disliked the fawning to the point of not returning a signed photo. Probably, it got lost or he was too busy. (As an aside, I've always doubted the authenticity of autographs sent through the mail. Is there any way to prove their authenticity or lack thereof? I still have them packed away somewhere.)
Once I got older, _Star Trek_ , _Star Wars_ , Indiana Jones and various pop culture icons meant much less to me. I still enjoy _Star Trek_ to some degree, but the fact it has too charitable a view of human nature is bothersome. When I go to watch TOS, I think, "Lie to me, sweet _Star Trek_ " and indulge in make-believe. Sometimes we all need to lie to ourselves for awhile, but it's important to remember that we are, in fact, doing so.
Getting back to the point: It must be difficult for actors who get recognized everywhere they go. I'm willing to give most of them a pass for being rude in certain situations. I mean, they're probably dealing with people who resemble schoolgirl or twenty-something me. I'd be annoyed, too. :)
TL;DR: I tend to overshare when I've been cooped up too long. You can thank COVID-19 and my fast typing for this overlong comment.
Considering the sheer number of people Shatner has alienated, there _has_ to be something off-putting about his personality. That said, the only two stories I heard about him from friends were extremely positive.
Here is one of those stories: A friend I knew was tending bar when Shatner walked in. They had a long conversation, part of which included Shatner's enthusiasm for a certain restaurant. The next day, Shatner sent her lunch from that restaurant.
When I've shared this story before, people have commented he was merely coming on to a woman. Maybe. But he knew he was never going to see her again and he certainly didn't have to send her lunch. You have to admit it was a thoughtful gesture.
The conclusion to draw is that human beings are inconsistent. We all have a dark side. In my opinion, the dark side really _is_ stronger and not merely easier, quicker and more seductive. History has indicted and convicted human nature of being mostly evil. Our execution is coming. Evolution gave us fatal flaws. The result will be a Greek tragedy on a global scale. I give the human race 150 years, tops. Probably, the end will come sooner than that.
There's alot more between Shatner and Nimoy's feud. I think you can see the straw that broke the camel's back on Shatner's own talk show. Nimoy was really proud of a photography book he had just publish. So of course Shatner compared it to a Playboy shot he helped with. You can see Nimoy's blood start to boil over this. Right after this show Nimoy quickly distanced himself from their friendship. Shatner always has to be the center of attention.
Leonard Nimoy is an adult. And William Shatner is a whiney little boy who wishes he had even half the talent as Leonard Nimoy had - - May he rest in peace.
Shatner is vain. He's not the only star I've heard similar things bout, wanting shots framed differently, demanding they get the best lines etc., and most importantly make sure other people don't get focus. It's very selfish and I'm surprised any Actor's Union tolerates this. I know it was in the 60s but I doubt he's changed. The calls should be made on what is good for the show not to massage people's ego. Pandering to this behaviour not only damages the integrity of a show but creates a toxic working environment which is obviously bad for a show unless you're trying to create that atmosphere for artistic reasons and certainly a show like ST doesn't need that. You might take that path in a film but not in a TV series.
However given his age people should be gentle with Shatner now - he's not going to change and we have to except him for who he is. He was a very important part of ST but definitely not more so than Leonard Nimoy. Spock from the 1st series is much better than Spock from the 3rd series - not that I'm blaming WS for that but he didn't help - and that's sad.
@@hammyhamster8349 Oh he's very much the same. Had a short series I think it was on Discovery channel called How William Shatner Changed the World. He didn't changed the world Gene Roddenberry did. He has to the center even if it's a lie. Then him hosting 911 and standing there and letting his wife drown because he didn't want to get his hair wet. That was quickly canceled thank God. He should be ashamed on how he treated his co stars but that would take emotions he just doesn't have. I meant him once in the 1990s at Star Trek Convention and he truly is an asshole.
@@vwgirl You should address those anger issues. lol
@@kennethbaker5223 I'm not angry maybe you can't handle the truth. Takei was on Stern a few weeks ago stating basically the same thing he's said about Shatner for years. So does that make all of his co stars angry too? Get over yourself.
The Mulgrew/Ryan problems certainly didn't show through on screen, you'd swear they were buddies.
Both of them are excellent actors!
@Michael Williams LMFAO!! Mentor/Protege
I agree, when I eventually found out about what happened between them I really was surprised!
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@Michael Williams Spock. Data. The Doctor/Seven, T'Pol, Burnham
They are the same basic role - "person trying to discovery their humanity".
If they had the same feud in the background, that is oddly fitting :D
I remember seeing Brent Spiner in a TNG cast interview many years ago. I’ll never forget what he said when the subject of Captain Kirk came up. “We all hate Shatner.”
And every other actor on TNG voted Spiner as the most annoying on set so... what does that say about Spiners opinion?
@@Me-qp8vz I bet as the Lore he was just acting normally
@@Me-qp8vz I doubt that. Marina Sirtis clearly has that honor locked down.
Yep, I guess with all the scenes spiner and shatner had together must of been difficult for him to do any work...
@@Me-qp8vz Source? Or did you just make it up based on your own personal theory?
Regarding Kate Mulgrew’s disliking of Jeri Ryan’s casting as ‘eye candy for the boys’, I can’t recall the exact wording, but I do recall Kate saying something along the lines of ‘I realised later that Jeri couldn’t be blamed for how God made her’
My dad and I were watching Voyager one day and, when 7 of 9 walked into sickbay, the doctor asked her, " How are you implants"? Both of us lost it in laughter.
@@richardthomas5362 hahaha! I’ll watch out for that one!
What made Mulgrew's actions worse was that during Ryan's tenure on the show, her marriage was undergoing serious difficulties, and while she kept the cause of her eventual divorce private and off the set, it came out later that Ryan had been pressuring her to have public sex acts, etc. So imagine a spouse that is demanding kinky and potentially career-damaging sex acts and Mulgrew acting spiteful during her job, and you get an idea just how stressful Ryan's life really was.
@@damienrobbie5974 why the only real one, yours of course.
Don't know why Kate was jealous, I find women of power very attractive.
William Shatner is my favorite male diva. The original crew were consummate professionals. You'd never know they had behind the scenes kerfuffles.
You mis-spelled douche.
@@helmsscotta LOVE IT!!! :)
What are you even talking about? You couldn’t tell with the other shows on screen AND they aren’t on Twitter STILL ARGUING. TOS had more public drama than any other series.
@@commiecomrade2644 Can't speak for the other series, never watched them. It's TOS and the feature films for me, which I have watched a trillion times.
Guessing the dinner scene between the Klingons and Capt. Kirk and his crew was based on Meyer's and Roddenberry's meeting.
Lol, that is a really good idea :D
Yes definitely Meyer if one would assume ,he understood that in the 23rd century we will all be the same when it came to Xenophobia and ''isms'' .Roddenberry lived in a world of seeing the future as Altruistic and Progressivism .Imperial Middle is more truthfully.
@@darvennej4495 In order to overcome a flaw, you must first have the flaw and accept yoi have the flaw.
Undiscovered Country was very much this - Kirks journey to evercome his flaw.
Why was Sulu the Captain of the Excelsior in Star Trek VI? Because by that point Takei and Shatner couldn’t stand to be on the same set with one another but Takei didn’t want to disappoint the fans by not showing up at all.
I met George Takai at a book signing at my local book store in Whittier, an old Quaker town. Hr was so nice, said he loved our little town and signed 2 books and a photo. Someone in line was giving out pictures, which kind of confused him, he said I hope these aren't for sale. He had a laugh when the guy giving them away said they were free. I said, I'll treasure this, never sell it. He shook my hand, he had soft hands.
According to Shatner's book, he had a pact with Nimoy that they would take turns refusing to be in each movie as a ploy for getting more money.
Nimoy and Shatner had a favored nations clause in their contract since the TV series. What one got the other got. That continued through the movies. That's how Shatner was about to get the director's chair for V.
I get the feeling that with Mr. Shatner, you either have to accept him for who he is and go along for the ride or allow yourself to be driven crazy.
Acting is a tough business. A lot of rejection for bullshit reasons. You have to be tough to just survive, much succeed in it like Shatner has done. It's a full contact sport. Shatner most definitely has professional hockey enforcer level skills.
@@lokisgodhi Pretty much. Think about how Shatner's feuding with James Doohan doesn't even crack this list. Heck, think about his active determination to keep feuding with Mike Stoklasa and Red Letter Media despite every effort of just about everyone else to smooth things over.
@@mikeb8674 - Just about the only good thing you can say about WIlliam Shatner is that he's occasionally a very good actor, when he really feels like it.
Although Shatner does come across as an ass, my biggest issue with him is his lack of acting ability. I would much rather have seen the series with Jeffrey Hunter. Shatner came across as a wannabe Shakespeare player. 😎
In her autobiographical book, "Uhura Speaks", Nichelle Nichols described Shatner as a prima dona and very hard to get along with. Though, as director of a movie (was it "The Final Frontier"?) he became more civil.
Good read or listen, too.
They all had jealousy issues. Shatner was the undisputed star and the rest wanted their shot.
I was born in the late sixties, I grew up in the 70's and 80's(O.G. S.T.) and was a young dad in the 90's (S.T.N.G - DS9). Now that I'm rapidly approaching 60 being a life long Trekker (a Gen X'er thru and thru) it does my heart good to see this love for trek in capable young hands. I cannot thank you enough for your love and altruistic care for a world treasure that could have gone unappreciated and canceled due to ignorance. KUTGW live long and prosper! ❤
You missed the feud between "Every Star Trek fan and Alex Kurtzman"
I'm surprised you left off Rick Berman vs everyone. Not alot of cast and crew have nice things to say about him. Also his issues directly affected production and story for TNG to enterprise, as he was the person who was seen as in charge or Trek after Roddenberry past.
I can think of only two people who don't have nice things to say about Berman.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the cast of Enterprise were still unwilling to work on anything he was involved with to this day.
@@jesuszamora6949 Come on, they don't hate him THAT much.
@@jesuszamora6949 Connor Trinear and Dominic Keating had him on their youtube channel the shuttlepod show. Dunno if they were doing it for the clicks but they seemed to all get along. It's women that Berman couldn't get along with. Terry Farrell, Mulgrew to say the least.
He had a few positive impacts. He stood up for avery brooks when the suits wanted him replaced with a white actor, he stood up for mulgrew when they wanted to replace her with a male actor. He takes too much crap for keeping star trek serialized. The millennials don't know the pain of watching a partially serialized show with multi episode stories on syndicated broadcast. Networks would always air them out of order. They preempted sacrifice of angels when on my station when it first aired, they showed a re-run the next week then showed dax and worf getting married. I suppose they retook the station then. Didn't see sacrifice of angels until the following summer.
But yes, he was a pig.
Roddenberry: Racism between humans and Kingons shouldn't exist.
Also Roddenberry: Lets have Dr McCoy make a racist comment to Spock every other line throughout the show and the movies.
At least Spock got to drop the napalm bomb on McCoy when he shot down his attempted insult in Trouble with Tribbles.
As Spock was my favourite character I did get not only tired but genuinely annoyed at the way McCoy spoke to him throughout the series. One moment McCoy was calling him a computer and the next accusing him of ambition & pettiness. If I were Spock I wouldn't call him a friend even if I enjoyed much of the banter. But as well as a source of "comedy" maybe Rodenberry was highlighting the racism by making you have sympathy for Spock. McCoy was well aware that Spock had feelings.
@@marcelo3939 I was thinking that too but I'm going to say that was part of a defence mechanism. At the same time as a lot of it was true, Spock isn't Data so he knew what he was saying, maybe just a little comeback for the comments against him being unfeeling which he clearly wasn't.
Shatners hair gets unnaturally better with age. These days it looks real.
Michael Dorn was sad that Muldar left, feeling that Worf and Pulaski had chemistry together.
I don't understand why people didn't like her, she was actually a favorite character of mine from TNG. Despite ostensibly being "colder and more clinical" she shows that she cares, the one example that immediately springs to mind is the Klingon tea ceremony. If Worf had invited Beverly she would just have taken him at his word but Pulaski actually went the extra mile.
@@Reddotzebra agreed, she was my second favorite doctor in the entire franchise. I would have thought her and brent spiner would have been closer.
You missed Rick Bermann vs. Everybody else
I think that one will either get its own list, or appear on a list with a different title ;)
If TH-cam let me add pictures to comments, I'd insert the Michael Jackson popcorn eating meme *here*. I knew about Berman vs Teri Farrell, but everyone hated him? 🙃 Oh, do tell....
@@railroad5024 To cut a long Story short. He had a feud with pretty much the whole female cast, his writters and Garrett Wang.
For all the Shatner-Nimoy issues, those two had some of the funniest commercials.
Takei's set in the Roast of William Shatner was pretty great. Only people with a long history together could deliver such loving vitriol.
Pulaski was a decent character (played by a very good actress) who simply didn't mesh with the rest of the characters. I honestly think Ro also didn't mesh well with the rest of the characters.
I'm a little surprised that the Shatner-Doohan feud didn't make the list.
It was not only Shatner and Tokai, but also Shatner fighting with the four of the "lesser" roles: James Doohan, Nichelle Nichols, and Walter Koenig. Shatner is such a Diva, granted justified in many ways. I myself saw Doohan back during a Trek Convention, Miami during the later 1980s (just after the Whale episode, ST-4). Doohan was amazing, so talented, funny, brilliant. The drunker he got, the funnier he was. Doohan was extremely critical of Shatner. One of his famous lines was (from memory) "I like Captain Kirk, but not Shatner." Also at present Tokai no longer fights with Shatner. He has finally decided to let it go, after all, to quote (or paraphrase), "Bill will be Bill."
There were also known issues with Roddenberry and Shatner, as well as Wil Wheaton and Shatner. From what I can tell, few people who worked with Shatner liked him.
Takei
I would love to have seen a Celebrity Deathmatch version of this list, in particular Pulaski Vs the entire TNG crew. The closest we'll get is Shatner Vs Burt Reynolds which they actually did LOL.
1:19 There must be more to it if Shatner didn't go to Nimoy's funeral.
Did the family ask him not to come or did he just not feel right being there.
Shatner stated that he had a prior commitment already booked, that he couldn't reschedule.
How about Berman and Terry Farrell, or Berman and the writers on DS9 or Berman and most female cast members of TNG and DS9?
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Berman and... Literally everyone.
Berman pretty much killed the franchise for a while
Well said.
@@Trikeboy2 Kurtzman is doing a better job at that.
NEW DAY! NEW VIDEO!
Live long and prosper guys!
LLAP!
yeah i've heard shatner's kind of a jark in real life. heard that told by different people he worked with
I've not only just heard it, I've also seen it!!!
He seems to be the kind of person that doesn't really consciously try to be a jerk but manages to anyway. The giant ego probably has something to do with it.
James Doohan, also had extreme issues with Shatner. Supposedly, they reconciled, but that was on Doohan's death bed.
It was around the time of Generations, I believe.
@@kadindarklord and aslo innthe mazlish controverse the guy aslo accused David gerold of having aids
I had heard a rumor that Shatner insulted Doohan over the latter's WW2 service.
Left out Grace Lee Whitney (Yeoman Janice Rand )and the man she referred to as "The Producer".
Learning about these past conflicts makes me realize that the modern behind-scenes dramas in popular shows and media aren't unusual except in that the reach of the internet at its current scale amplifies them much more than in the past. Perhaps TV shows and movies would carry on better if we all participated in social media less, such as that those conflicts might resolve behind the scenes in a less volatile manner.
Well, EVERYTHING would be better if we participated in social media less. I had no idea of any of these issues, and I loved the shows.
Simply interesting I could have figured Shatner would be amongst the feuds
Fellow me guys 😎😎
The catagory could have been called 10 People Who Hated Working With William Shatner, or 10 People Whom William Shatner pissed off during Star Trek...lol
Or just “Shatner is an egotistical jerk”
Sean Ferrick, Ruiner of Childhoods.
You sure are keeping busy at TrekCulture!
Ha, this is not the first time I've been called this!
Voyager was a great show but when Jeri Ryan showed-up it was Wonderful! I would never miss an episode. She is Beautiful and a fine actress. That lady stops time when she makes an entrance :)
Shes basically a sexy Vulcan, it doesn't take a good actor to play this. Showing emotion is what makes them good, not dull and Vulcan like when you're not Vulcan. You just think she's hot
The Borg saved 2 series
@@aleccampbell7707 The borg were tiresome and tedious.
As for the Shatner/Takei feud, I'm with Bill Shatner on this one. He has repeatedly apologized to Takei (Shatner admitted he was very single-minded during the show and moves, and that probably irked Takei), saying he was sorry in interviews, magazines, and his own biographies. Takei just won't let it go. As for the wedding why would Takei even invite a man whom he publicly despised? Walter Koening admitted that he was 'used' by Takei at his wedding for no more than publicity purposes (he and Takei weren't that close but George insisted he be Best Man). Takei took they whole thing WAY to seriously!
Shatner and Nimoy did get along before filming finished on the TV series. Nimoy actually had problems with alcohol and it was Shatner who realised this and helped him. Their were a number of feuds and problems on Star Trek.
William Shatner and Walter Koenig. Shatner at a reunion couldn't even remember Keonig's name. Koenig was not happy about this.
TNG cast and the director of Star Trek Nemesis. There were a number of reasons for this but the main one that came out not long after the film did was the way the director treated the female cast members especially Marina Sirtis. He felt she was eye candy for the film. He would put her down all the time on set and even cut some of her lines from the script. The TNG cast had grown to feel like a family so they were not happy about this and took Marina's side
Denise Crosby and the Star Trek TNG producers. Crosby hated her character on her show and that is why she was killed of in season 1. She only returned later on in the show to play a different character a she felt the new character was better.
Robert Beltram and Jeri Ryan. Robert Beltram felt when Ryan came in she was taking scenes and lines from other actors like him and was not happy about it.
Chris Hemswoth/Chris Pine and Paramount Pictures. In what was labelled to be Star Trek 4 in the Star Trek Kelvin timeline. Chris Pine's Kirk was supposed to meet his father in the plot of the film even though he died in the 2009 film. Chris Pine's father in the 2009 film was played by Chris Hemsworth. At the time of the 2009 film Hemsworth was an unknown actor and so got a small pay packet for it. But since then he has played Thor in the MCU and has become a huge name. Hemsworth agreed to do Star Trek 4 but he wanted a big pay day to do so. Chris Pine felt since he played Captain Kirk in the films he should have a pay similar to Hemsworth's. The problem for Paramount is they do the Star Trek films on a certain budget and make small profit off the films. They make more money of the merchandise and deals with companies who use the films to promote their products. Paramount knew if they agreed to Pine and Hemsworth's pay demands they would either have to do the film on a small budget or raise the budget and lose money on the film, so the film got cancelled.
The Robert Beltram and Jeri Ryan is an interesting one. I mean on one hand it was obvious to everyone watching that once Jeri Ryan proved she isn't just eye candy but a pretty decent actor too, she was given more and more screen time (the same happened with Picardo's Doctor). So of course that would have been contentious point for the actors who were in the show from the beginning. But at the same time I read multiple times that Robert Beltram was extremely dissatisfied with his role and with the sanctimonious way Chakotay was written (the oooh so noble and wise American Indian) and that he actually hated the role and it was noticeable on his "wooden" performance. So I would expect him not to care much whether Jeri gets more screen time or not.
Just a slight correction of detail: Denise Crosby did in fact return to reprise her role of Yar a few years later in the very excellent (my opinion) episode "Yesterday's Enterprise". So to say she only returned to play a completely different character (A Romulan) is factualy not correct.
@@davidpearlman7763 I forgot about that. But she was unhappy about season 1.
I can't believe you didn't even mention Joline Blalok, even as an honorable mention. Most fans of enterprise now are fully aware of her distaste for it and the fact that she has completely distance herself from anything Star Trek. I think she deserved a place of honor on this list. Her character was one of my favorites on Enterprise and it is a shame that she has become so disenchanted with Star Trek
Strange since it is probably the biggest and longest gig she has ever had and will be known for. Maybe she was treated poorly by the show runners or others with the show?
She hasn't distanced herself from Star Trek because of a dislike for the material, cast, writers, or producers. She married a billionaire, so she doesn't need to do the convention circuit because she doesn't need the money (according to what several other cast members have stated).
@@kennethbaker5223 this is not entirely true. She has made her distaste for Star Trek abundantly clear.
Joline Blalock had recurring role on Stargate SG-1
@@johannegauthier7875 only a few episodes
An awesome list and a fascinating look at the behind the scenes stories.
I had forgotten that Nimoy was more popular with fans than Shatner. Even though Shatner was supposed be lead character in series. Now, I understand why he fought so hard maintain his position on series
Takei inviting Shatner to his wedding was hardly sincere. That was Shatner’s point.
Exactly
Sincere or not. You can kindly respond to an insincere invite with a polite decline. But Shatner said he wasn't invited at all, making it seem like Takei was lying when he said he invited him. That's shady.
If you don't believe that someone wants you at a wedding and is only asking you to be polite, you respond with a polite decline and send a gift or just decline and send nothing. That's not what happened.
@@candacen7779 That's assuming Shatner actually received an invitation. Or it was sent in a timely manner. I can see it being sent to him deliberately in a sketchy manner so that he didn't get it in time or sent to his business manager. So by the time it got handled and sent to Shatner the wedding was over. So Takei could get maximum mileage from claiming Shatner didn't come publicly.
@@lokisgodhi Shatner is lying. This isn't rocket science. The guy has no friends, and has been thru a slew of wives. There's a reason for that.
@@sunspot42 Baloney. Shatner reputed got along well with James Spader from Boston Legal. Takei is weak and has a axe to grind with Shatner. Doing so publicly gets Takei attention. So Takei needs the feud with Shatner to continue. The diametric opposite is not true. Shatner is not weak. He doesn't have an axe to grind with Takei. He doesn't need a feud with Takei to get attention. If Takei fell off the face of the earth and was never heard from again it would have no impact on Shatner's fame whatsoever. *SO, it's far more likely that Takei is the one lying about it.* Takei has far more to gain by doing so.
I bought the dvd Mindmeld and at the end Shatner tells Nimoy "you're my best friend".. i want to believe that was always the case and by 2015 they'd just had their lives separated from each other, because they weren't completely bound by their star trek lives.
I have the exact same DVD and my memory is that Nimoy said those words to Shatner at the very end. It made an impression on me because an unusual thing for Nimoy to say. He was usually more reserved about such things. Anyway I also have a DVD of them appearing together at a convention in the early 90s. Their friendship was real and it was close. Pity it ended badly.
@@fyreflye100 I prefer to believe the contrary.
Seems strange you don’t mention Shatner & James Doohan. I met and spoke with Jimmy several times. He was one of the nicest gentlemen I have ever met. But he NEVER had a single good word to say about Shatner. And there was never any attempt at a resolution.
They were both Canadian by birth you'd think they would be trying to make mends
Regarding Diana Muldaur not being signed on for the third season there was an additional reason beyond the issues you brought up. I remember reading that the real issue was that she had trouble memorizing her lines and having to constantly prompt her was getting irritating on cast and crew. Too bad, I actually enjoyed the Dr. Pulaski character. They should have brought back Dr. Crusher and kept Dr. Pulaski for season three. That would have made a pretty full-season subplot of the two doctors developing a mutual dislike for each other. One of the real problems with The Next Generation is it didn't have a story arc. There was no sense of connectedness one episode to the next. The competing doctors theme might have made season three more interesting by providing an arc.
I'm in the same boat, I actually preferred Pulaski to Crusher. Plus she got to have some character development over the season regarding Data that nobody ever seems to bring up when reviewing her.
Ryan was replacing Kim. Producers found out that Garrett won Peoples sexiest man and opted to get rid of Kes instead.
Unpopular opinion Kes was much hotter than 7 of 9
@@ToucanSonofSam333 Especially when she was Bad Kes wearing the black leather.
It was either or....it wasn't decided on until after he won sexiest man that they decided to get rid of kes instead of kim...or nelix, why didn't they get rid of him
@@jamesmeppler6375 Exactly
Thank god. The show became much better post Kes.
William Shatner and Deforest Kelley hardly spoke off screen during the first 2 seasons. Shatner told the story on late night tv.
I liked Pulaski specifically someone who questions data's humanity, but Crusher is meant to be the doctor
I preferred Pulaski to Crusher, so appear to be in a minority in that view. The reason is that Pulaski had a very no-nonsense rational attitude I admired.
@@thinkforyourself2109 I'm with you there. Someone not prepared to back down even with the captain makes for more interesting watching. It does mess up mother/son plots but overall I felt Muldaur was the better actor.
@@hammyhamster8349 she the doctor its not her job to question its her job to do as shes told
Takei was in far fewer episodes than you think. He was only in about half of the TOS shows.
And that was too many. He ticked an ethnic box, that’s it.
@@bob494949 You had someone in mind for the role?
I know about the last one on this list but not the others thanks Sean for telling us live long and prosper 🖖
A pleasure! well, ok pleasure is a strong word - I would love a universe with no feuds, but it is interesting!
Soft "g" on David Gerrold's last name. 😊 Loved the shot of the old "Sugar Smacks" at 4:09...used to "dig 'em" when I was a kid, oblivious to the merchandising going on without due payment going to the cast members.
It seems so bizarre to me that a lawyer would feel comfortable changing scripts on the sly like that.
Same.
For those of us that have worked at a studio it is not surprising at all. The egos and sense of entitlement in Hollywood are astounding to behold.
Lawyers can feel comfortable with just about anything.
Shatner Takei feuds is the biggest of all Star Trek feuds
Although I love the TNG cast, Diana Muldaur was treated shoddily by them (minus Michael Dorn). To begin with they were upset by what had gone down with Gates McFadden being fired, and it didn't help matters that Muldaur was given what some of the cast felt was preferential treatment by the show's producers. Muldaur talks about this in her Television Academy interview (link below) but she was paid more money than everyone except Stewart, and producers allowed Muldaur to wear a more comfortable variation of the Starfleet Uniform after she refused to wear the one piece spandex version that all the actors, particularly Stewart, hated. Added to that, Muldaur had trouble remembering the medial jargon in her lines, and had to use cue cards which allegedly sent Stewart over the top. This was something Marina Sirtis herself confirmed at a Toronto Convention in 2012 when Gates made a joke about being fired, Marina said it was so nice when Gates came back because they didn't have to tape her lines all over sickbay. Director Paul Lynch who worked on TNG during his second season stated that in the TNG Companion (or similar type Trek production book) that Muldaur left the set in tears numerous times and was not surprised that she didn't return after the second season.
Wow... That is rough.
I always hated how they just dropped her character off a cliff like that but I never knew they were such douchebags to her on set.
Thank goodness for DC Fontana.
My brother met her once. Must have a talk with him about that.
7 of 9 may have been brought on as a sex symbol and eye candy in a catsuit... but not only is that not Geri Ryan’s fault, but the character was the opposite of what you’d expect from the blatant sex symbol in a 90s tv show... she was the smartest character on the show, even smarter than Tuvok and The Doctor, she never used her sexuality and beauty as currency or a crutch, and she was possibly the STRONGEST character as well, physically and mentally. She was independent, dealt with trauma with grace and dignity, and Geri played her to a T... if Mulgrew should’ve had an issue with anyone, it should be Rick Berman. Geri is a total hero for women and girls, just a much as Janeway... and definitely way more than Kes.
One could argue 7 of 9 was written that way to give her more screen time because she was Braga's personal favorite. He wanted to see his favorite sex symbol on screen more and wrote it so that she would get more time, dialogue and character development as a result. The writers didn't need to play up her sexuality or beauty because you already had so many characters reacting to it at every opportunity thereby reinforcing the message. Not having 7 react to it in the stereotypical fashion that usually occurred in sci-fi films and TV doesn't make her use as a tool of titillation for fanboys any less disconcerting.
On top of that, Jeri was saddled with the responsibility of promoted the show significantly more than any other actor based on the idea that she was the most popular character. That couldn't have made Kate very happy since she is indeed the show's lead. I don't think Kate shouldn't have taken it out on Jeri, but it does send mixed messages to young girls and women when producers give the obvious sex symbol of the show the spotlight and turn her into every straight man's "dream girl" while the captain is essentially made to play second fiddle for a show she's been on since the beginning.
As for role models, one could easily make the argument that the show is saying that young girls and women can be anything, as long as people think you're hot. And behind the scenes, it could be interpreted that more doors will open for you if men want to sleep with you, even if you don't respond to it or encourage them. And sadly, that reality is still alive and well.
It actually annoys me that when they brought her back for Picard she's shown to be weaker than she should logically be. Forget the ledge toss, she should be able to snap that Romulan like a twig.
Ironically the only time her sexiness was used was when Seven's body was inhabited by the Doctor but it was funny seeing her make Kim uncomfortable in an earlier episode.
i KNEW this one was coming!
By the time Nimoy died he had stopped speaking to Shatner. What a surprise! When meant is a serious way it is still funny.
Thank you Sean hope you are well this day.
Thank you very much!
This fan always liked Pulaski! 😊
She was better written than Crusher and Troi, she actually felt like a real person. I can't think of any women on TNG apart from Pulaski and Ro who weren't just caricatures of what Berman thought a woman was.
I thought Pulaski was cool, but replacing Crusher so abruptly pretty much assured she'd never be accepted on TNG. Kinda sucks they didn't have her return for DS9 or Voyager, I think a fresh start would have helped the character and the actress.
I agree ..I liked Pulaski a whole lot more. Crusher was far too smug and sanctimonious about everything. Even Q realized it, and turned her into a yapping dog in one episode.
Nice vid! Off topic, but what the hay… Back in like, ‘90, my friend and I cosplayed as Borg and attended a Trek Con. We entered the cosplay contest and won; made it into local paper! Mr Shatner spoke and I fell asleep in costume; missing majority of his talk. D’oh!
OOOOOO this was bloody lovely
There was never a feud until Star Trek(the original series movies) was over and George Takei decided he needed some publicity
True. Takei has claimed that Shatner's selfishness kept him from becoming a "star". But he was never going to be a star. He was a bit-player in a 60s TV show, way down in the cast-list. On top of that, watch the show - He's simply _not_ a very good actor...
Sulu is the only TOS character I can't stand. Everyone had somehow a chemistry on screen but he felt out of place and also too flat. Sulu had three seasons, Chekov two. But Chekov was way more developed as him.
@@_XR40_ Sounds like you are made of stupid.
@@mapleflag6518 What an impeccably reasoned argument....
@@_XR40_ You did get the reference right?
Shatner promoting Rocket Labs first rocket launch here in 2018 Nz was awesome.
Also his one liner about sending Prime Minister Jacinda Aderns baby into space!
Nr. 1 better be "everybody with Rick Berman"
It's interesting the mention (at 4:18) that Leonard Nimoy disliked Gene Roddenberry. Nimoy was finally persuaded to return as Spock (he would not have appeared in the planned "Star Trek: Phase Two" series that got preempted when they decided to make a movie instead), and in Star Trek II, Spock wasn't even in the first draft of the script because everyone knew Nimoy wanted no more to do with the role. He was brought in, but Spock (as we know) was killed to allow Nimoy an exit -- it's long been rumored that Nimoy even made Spock's death a condition of his return, but that may not be true. However, Nimoy ended up actually enjoying the role for the first time in years, and liking the way the character was developed -- you'll note that this is a mellower, less intense Spock who seems to have made peace with his emotional human half, which makes sense after his mild-meld with V'Ger in the first film revealed to him how empty and rudderless a being of pure logic was. So, they had to figure a way to bring Spock back, as Nimoy wanted to continue in the role after all.
But this mention of Nimoy's dislike of Roddenberry does make me wonder if he would have felt the same way had Paramount not taken creative control away from Roddenberry after the _enormous_ budget overrun, and lukewarm critical reception from TMP had made its profit margin much smaller than it should have been. Roddenberry was "kicked upstairs" to the powerless position of "executive consultant," and control of the movies was turned over to Harve Bennett. One wonders if Nimoy would have been willing to return to the franchise if he'd still had to deal with Roddenberry.
Concerning Kate Mulgrew, one episode of Voyager that stands out for me is "Bride of Chaotica!" That's because - as Chaotica - she was dressed like a female bad girl from the 1930s. When I saw her in that outfit, I thought "Whoa, I never knew Captain Janeway could look that sexy!" While I agree her portrayal as a strong female character was the right move for Voyager, it was nice that - for that episode at least - she was allowed to "strut her stuff," so to speak.
If Spock had been thinking with logic, he could have fixed the Kelvin time-line by going back to the time guardian from City On The Edge of Forever.
Why bother? Why not just use the "slingshot effect" on Tomorrow is Yesterday? BTW, D.C. Fontana had script roles in both episodes.
I always looked at as this:
Spock by that point in his life was OLD (even for a Vulcan), basically in his twilight years, and all of a sudden he's back in time during the era of his youth; the prime of his life. He is getting to see his old friends again. (one of his belongings that Young Spock inherited was a picture of himself on his final adventure with his friends, clearly; Spock missed his friends) He is getting the very unique chance to see things play out again but with a twist. He knows the capabilities of his younger self and his crewmates as well as Starfleet and the Federation. He knows the Vulcan people can endure. Plus, he probably knows that even if he left the timeline, the Kelvin Timeline would continue in his absence, and in this timeline; the Vulcan people need help that he can certainly give. (plus he probably felt guilty for the loss of Romulus, cuz he PROMISED the Romulans he'd save them; and he failed)
In short; he got the rarest gift any old man could ever want; a chance to see his old friends again in their prime, living out their own adventures. He got to die happy seeing that.
I'm addicted to Star Trek and have watched nearly all the shows and movies. Yes I'm also aware of William and George's fight..
Though unfortunate it's predictable.
Sometimes, I think the less we know about problems behind the scenes the better off we are. Knowing about these issues I think would detract from fully enjoying the episodes as we're watching them; Instead, you're analyzing all that information and becoming distracted instead of being entertained.
GREAT VIDEO!!! Live Long and Prosper! 🖖
I thought that was about on-screen feuds like between Odo and Quark, but this was really interesting.
I just like the fact that alot of them got cameos on the big bang theory
It should be worth noting part of the reason the original script for "City on the Edge of Forever" was rewritten was because the original script was not viable for TV. Things like budget, practicality, sets, time to film, and so forth, need to be taken into account, and these things factored into the rewrite. The original script won an award for best teleplay, but tt was still not feasible to shoot.
Excellent points!
When pronouncing Takei, remember what George said to Shanter at the Shat's roast. "Think, Takei, like... Toupee!" LOL
Actually, these days George will say it’s Takei ... like “gay”. Think, I’m so Takei! Lol
@@ToneTitan Yeah, I've heard him say this one at an event where he was the guest speaker on a nearby college campus.
I understand why some people don't like Shatner. But for the life of me, I'll never understand why so many people think it's cool to make fun of Bill Shatner for wearing a toupee. In my book, it is never cool to make fun of somebody for their physical shortcomings. It's not Shatner's fault that he went bald at a young age. That happens to lots of men, and it is in no way a reflection of their character.
What was Shatner supposed to do? Not wear a toupee? He's an actor. If William Shatner hadn't worn a toupee, there is no way in hell he ever would have been cast as Captain Kirk - or any other leading-man role in any other production. He would've been relegated to smaller character roles for his entire career. He was an attractive guy when he was young, and wearing the toupee allowed him to get much better roles. It's a no-brainer, and something that plenty of other actors have done, so I don't understand why so many people think it's a good reason to make fun of him.
@@fyreflye100 I agree however, it's a Comedy Central Roast where nothing was off limits to make fun of. The Shat signed up for it knowing the panelists would rip him apart and it was hilarious!
@@keepinmeuppodcast76 I understand, but I see it everywhere. Practically every time Shatner's name comes up in any context, somebody has to make a toupee joke. It's the lowest, cheapest form of humor.
I like what Takei said to Shatner during the latter's Comedy Central Roast, something he said he'd been wanting to say for years: "F*** you. AND the horse you rode in on!"
I had actually forgotten that there was a lot of friction between them.
Pretty sure the Writers Guild of America does not make “laws.” Rules or agreements maybe.
But they did have an endearing moment at the "William Shatner Roast". George said some really "Nice" things XD. My favorite was, "I waited 40 years to tell you this. #% and the horse you rode in on." :) XD. If you didn't see the roast, you should check it out.
Doohan and Shatner
Takei and shatner.
Surprised there was no mention of the feud between Rick Berman and Ron Jones, over the latter's insistence that TNG's music should be, you know, good.
harlan ellison? that guy had a feud with almost everyone. chill
Ellison was ego maniac he never seem get along on any of series he helped develop. Didn't know how compromise.
Gene also had a tendency to not get along with people, especially if they were writers.
@@InterdimensionalCowlick beacause he reafused to budge on everything the best thing he did for star trek was die
I watched Betty White and William Shatner at SDCC. Shatner talked the whole time, when it came to questions, every question was for Betty. You could see how angry this made Shatner. He's really petty.
I always liked the character of Doctor Pulaski. It was intresting to see someone treat Data differently, like she did.
Great video guys!
Interesting..I knew about some of these, but never really ahd the Shatner/Takei thing explained to me and I still don't know that I really understand it.
I think it's a shame Pulaski/Muldair didn't really work out. I liked that she was a little more prickly. I felt like TNG did need a bit more "internal conflict" and it seemed like Pulaski was sort of a step in that direction. I'm sure Gates is a lovely person but I never thought much of Crusher as a character. I did feel like Data would have to earn the respect of the crew and that it would take time for him to be thought of as more than just a machine, but that only seemed to be the case with the one character -- that was always weird to me, and toward the end of the season she seemed to be softening toward him. Oh well.
@@dixonhill1108 More importantly she also had shortcomings and had started developing a deeper character by the time they unceremoniously axed her. By the time they had made her transporter phobia a partial focus of an episode, and exploring this further would have been interesting. They rely on that tech so much in the show that it shows what a determined person she must be just to serve on a starship.
How about the feud between Star Trek and Physics?
I do think they tried harder with that than a lot of TV shows certainly through to "Enterprise". I'm not saying they didn't drop the ball from time to time but for the most part they made an effort to be consistent with their own ideas & concepts..
ask Miguel Alcubierre about that.
Interestingly DeForest Kelley has described having to be a peacemaker at times on the TOS set between Bill & Leonard. He implied Shatner behaved in a way that was damaging but "unknowingly". He said he personally didn't have an issue with him. Enjoyed the video, it is presented in a balanced way. The only surprising one to me was Moore & Braga, I knew Moore had had problems in the Voyager writing room but didn't realise it was Braga-related.
Things often change when you go from being equals in the workplace to one person then being the boss. Moore quickly diagnosed and questioned issues with Voyager’s writing in general (For example, he was told it didn’t matter how whatever Torres was going through affected Paris, even though he was her boyfriend. He couldn’t understand the lack of consequences in the show), and Braga didn’t handle it constructively.
Oh my! I didn’t know most of these.
Um... what? No mention of the Eugene Roddenberry and Wil Wheaton feud? There was an entire documentary made on it.
Out of the original films undiscovered country is arguably the best movie. Out of all trek movies, it's without a doubt first contact and nothing will change my mind 🖖
The theatrical release of undiscovered country is quite good, but further revisions have marred it a bit. Also, it's kind of inexcusable that Saavik wasn't in the role of Valeris as she had history with klingons that would have suited the role. Maybe it would have given some of the plot away but I doubt it.
@@nimrodery would have made quite the plot twist especially as Saavik was wrote as half romulan in the novel
@@djth9147 I completely forgot about that, interesting to meet someone who read the serviceable novel. 2 and 6 both create the impression of movies that had to be worked and reworked into good movies, maybe that's why so many toes get stepped on but the quality ends up being high.
There's no doubt in my mind that 2,6 & 8 all superb movies. What stood out for me regarding FC was I came out the cinema feeling that even if I wasn't a Trek fan I think I would still have thought it's one of the best Sci-fi films ever made. It's still difficult to choose between those 3.
@seanFerrick- I love the speed and meter of your voiceover in this video...
What about Shatner and Watler Koening? Shatner never leanered his name even after 20 years.
I saw that at a press meeting for the release of ST5, Shat introduced Walter as "The guy that plays Chekov".
Takei is a drama queen, and while I'm sure Shatner was a PITA to work with on ToS, because he was still trying to build his brand, Takei has single-handedly kept their feud alive ever since.
I have to agree with this. Just compare the way the two men conduct themselves on Twitter.
oh, maaan. i was in love with Jennifer Lien and Kate Mulgrew. I had liked Kate ever since Mrs. Columbo, for those of you who remember that short-lived show. Jeri was nice, and a darn good actress, but I wish they could have kept Jennifer. I really liked the Kes Character. It was a bad idea to limit her lifespan to 3 years. As for The Shat. I love Shatner. I do. I did a lot of research on Shatner for a book. I can tell you he would often stop the shoot and have a talk with the director, like this: "Joe, Uhura doesn't need to say that line. Tell you what: *I* will say the line, and you can just KEEP THE CAMERA ON ME." (emphasis mine). And he would do this IN FRONT of Nichelle. He stepped on so many of her lines, that often, her entire contribution for an episode would be [say it with me] "Hailing frequencies are open, Captain." And THAT is why she threatened to walk off the show, and MLK talked her into staying. Shatner did a lot of damage, but he was such a narcissist, he never realized it. He thought he was doing what's best for the show.
"...He thought he was doing what's best for the show..." In fact, he was. No one tuned in to watch Uhura, Chekov, Scotty or Sulu. It was the mid-60s. The whole "ensemble-cast" concept wasn't even a thing until sitcoms like the Mary Tyler Moore show came along several years later...
Yeah, I missed Kes, as the character had SO much potential which Jennifer Lien did an EXCELLENT job with. I TRULY missed her (I'm a "fan" of Character Development ) when they wrote her out and replaced her with Seven, which in MY opinion was VERY WELL executed - far and away better than she was written - by Jerry Ryan. It was INCREDIBLY difficult getting past the Chrome Jump-Suit as an easy short-cut to "sexuality" (which SKILLED writers and costumers COULD have done far better if they'd taken the trouble) and see the CHARACTER, but Jerry Ryan did an ADMIRABLE job developing such a 1-dimensional character (as written) that her overall performance has endured as well as it has since. That said, I REALLY like the overall working-dynamic of the Kes period, better than the 1-direction/no-growth story arc of Seven, woven throughout the remainder of the series. Gorgeous and capable, yes, but one-dimensional, nonetheless - FAR more capably executed than written.
@@_XR40_ Nope, they tuned in to watch Spock and McCoy. Which probably infuriated Shatner. XD
@@Reddotzebra Perhaps it did. The point remains that Kirk, Spock and McCoy were the main characters - And their interactions were the heart of the show.
@@_XR40_ After over 1/2 a century I still tune in to watch Uhura.
Mail sometimes gets lost so George Taki could have sent invitation and William Shatner never received it.
Entirely possible. I really hope they resolve this issue before either of them die. Before we meet God, we should at least try to make peace with those we can.
Wow, I actually learned something from this. Most Star Trek gossip vids are the same old same old.
7:08: Well, he's a lawyer. Is anyone surprised?
What about Deforest Kelley and William Shatner? Shatner was a guest on Conan O'Brien (back when he was on CBS) and said the two never spoke off-set. It seems one day Kelley came to work very upset because his dog (small Yorkie or similar toy breed) had died. He explained to Shatner the dog was out playing in the front yard when the sprinkler system came on and the dog ran into one of the sprinkler heads and broke his neck. Shatner apparently laughed so hard that Kelley never spoke to him again. Not sure if Shatner made that up or not, but that's the story he told in the interview. He also did a cool "Shatnerization" of Itsy Bitsy Spider....I can't find the footage anywhere but it was pretty cool :).
BOTH Shatner and Takei are narcissists fighting over the same thing ME ME ME ME ME!
Aren't ALL actors narcissists?
@@Steve_in_NJ ummm no that's a stupid thing to say
DS9 being the noticeably drama and feud free...minus the Terry Ferrell stuff...glad it missed this list
Shatter and James Doohan seem to have been at odds as well.
If you've ever read Ellison's original script, you might agree that what they did with "The City On The Edge Of Forever" was an improvement.
They need to direct their support to that poor ill woman from star trek voyager who went to jail. She is very sad and needs compassion from many to help her
i feel my childhood slipping blahaha. love it guys