Circa 2001. Ticketed by a rookie female cop in Tulsa for not wearing a seatbelt on a motorcycle. True story. My fellow riding buddies were cracking up. Cop insisted that all vehicles come fitted with seat belts. Went to court the next month and the Judge was confused at 1st, then chuckled asked me if I received the ticket while on a motorcycle. When I said yes sir, he chuckled again and then dismissed the ticket. He stated he would contact the officer’s supervisor to make sure she was aware that motorcycles are exempt from seat belts.
@@Primalxbeast exactly, 100%. I've heard of people getting injured/pinned down from a motorcycle falling on them... while not even driving. imagine that happening at 60 mph? if the accident didn't kill the driver, the motorcycle they are strapped to absolutely would. ... on that note, I don't think motorcycles even HAVE seatbelts. don't own one, so I don't know for sure, but I've never seen one have a seatbelt.
@@banaman7746 No, they don't have a seatbelt. I would not like the idea to be towed anywhere my bike decides to go, for example below a guardrail, train or truck. After a fall, mostly you have a nice, not-too-high flight in the direction you chose before, hopefully not into the oncoming traffic, down a slope or right into the next river. In my country, in California and I am sure in any other state of the U.S. you are obliged to wear a helmet. Furthermore, there are even airbags for biker on sale with the protective suit.
@@banaman7746 I'v got some road rash scars from exactly that(being stuck to the bike). Was on fire road on a duel-sport, wasn't going excessively fast but was testing the lean limits on the gravel(young full of piss and vinegar), ass end starts sliding out, start fishtailing out the corner, did manage to slow it down considerably, but at the moment when I decided i couldn't recover and tried to eject, I managed to hook the lip of my boot on the factory helmet lock mount, and the bike took me down with it. About 10-20 sec later my friend came around the corner thinking "O god hes dead, how do i explain this to his mom." about that time I had completed my basic damage assessment of myself, pinned under the running bike, forced myself up enough to hit the kill switch, lied back down and asked my friend when he approached" could you get my bike off me and lay it up ageist a tree while i rest a bit?"
So, 1) you were ridiculously wrongly ticketed and then 2) the judge laughed instead of apologizing for the failure of the legal system? Sounds about like it is. 😡 Judge should have been embarrassed, not amused.
So the cop wrote this man a ticket based on hearsay? Our law enforcement and judicial system has just fallen apart in this country. How can they even be seen as legitimate anymore
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
Bingo! I honestly don't get how more people can't see that our judicial system has failed miserably. Every level to the Supreme corrupt court. Just look at their ridiculous rulings. They consistantly rule in favor of gov/ corporations over the rights of citizens. They fail to keep the other branches in check. We don't have a justice system. We have a conviction system. I'm sure a lot of attorneys will disagree. They make good bank off our corrupt system, many have significant student loan debt. Sadly, Satan has her advocates
Too often police do not serve the public interest. This is either harassment, police ignorance, or an effort to meet a ticket quota. The careless driving will lack a credible witness in court given this officer's explanation of a "phoned in complaint".
I'd agree some in that suggestion. Also, why is it that police tend to cut their hair, shave their hair off and have tattoo's to look like gang bangers?
Over a decade ago we own a 3 person Jet Ski wave runner. One day my German Shepard jump on after I took my kids for a ride. Turns out my crazy dog loved going fast on the jet ski with me. So we bought her a life vest for a dog. About a year later the Sheriff Marine Officer stopped us. They wanted a photo of the Jet Ski dog. The Officer in life vest and dog in life vest were photographed. It was used to encourage pet owners to have life vests for pets.
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
@@captainandrew016 in the old days there wasn't video evidence but still a lot of people claiming that cops were corrupted and/or out to ruin innoceny citizens day/year/life. Now we have historical records of some of the stuff bad cops did
I used to live in the state and I'm not shocked at all. Louisiana laws allow the churning of tickets in a very shady way. they tried to get me twice before I worked for a big plumbing company with police connections and it stopped. Give a shady ticket for the smallest things or things without proof, force you to court, court doesn't even hear what you have to say and "We're lowering it to a non moving violation so its not on your record. Pay court fees and non moving violation fees" which end up THREE TIMES the cost of the ticket. Every Louisiana court would have long lines of people waiting to argue their tickets and got slapped with those court fees and non moving violations. It was a business and perfectly legal somehow. Win or lose you pay obscene fees unless you had a good lawyer or connections, the lawyer of which is also expensive.
@@accuratealloys The only way you get that in Louisiana for a traffic violation is to pay the ticket first then sue for a refund. Your legal fees will be many orders of magnitude more than you could ever hope to recover. And The System knows it, which is why it seldom happens.
Like I told another commenter, I doubt even the cop will show up for a court case on this. As I understand it many cops don't even go to court over this as it would take them off patrol too much. And there may not even be a caller that complained. I seem to remember a scam some time back where cops were just making up stuff to write enough tickets to fill a quota. The cop's probably thinking "I just gotta write them or get shafted by the department. It doesn't matter if they stick. So I'll just put some BS down that will surely get tossed. And call it a day."
In my state, if a non-cop calls about a bad driver then that person is listed as the complainant on the ticket. So if you fight it they HAVE to show up or the ticket is thrown out.
Years ago I had a small terrier who didn't like to be home alone, so whenever I could I'd take him w/ me in the car. In warmer weather he liked to stand up at the window. So I'd knot up his leash so he could just reach & put the center seatbelt -1976 Nova, bench seat- through the hand loop. One time while we were still parked he saw another dog & got so excited that he fell out of the window. I had to get out & go around the car to lift him back in & the shortened the leash a little more. Thanks for reminding me of a good friend.
This entire citation gets thrown out when the accused driver goes to court. The officer did not see it, but is relying on dispatch's version of what a caller or callers said. That's not just hearsay. That's **double** hearsay. Adding that the dog is not using a seatbelt should get the officer a verbal reprimand from the bench, and the driver should receive a profound apology from the court. Hopefully there's a lawsuit next. This may seem trivial, but the Constitution is not.
@@isaacclark9825 There are no exceptions of the hearsay rule that would apply to "Hey, Officer, that guy over there ran the stop sign up the street an hour ago." The patrolman cannot sustain a citation based on that.
A couple of items for you. 1. A friend of mine was pulled over by a Sheriff's deputy since it appeared a Great Dane was driving the vehicle with a person in the passenger seat. When the deputy walked up to the stopped former mail truck, he found the Great Dane was in the left hand seat and my friend was driving the right hand drive vehicle. Both had a good laugh. 2. I use dog harnesses for both my dogs since they love to ride with us when we take trips. The harnesses are attached to a rigging harness which allows them to have full mobility of the back seat area (crew cab truck) while they are prevented from being hurled forward or leaping out of the truck when we make stops. This allows me to attach the leash to each dog without worrying about them getting away from me. Have fun and enjoy your week.
When I lived in Maine, a driver was killed in an accident near my home. His dog, loose inside the pick-up's cab, was determined to be the cause. It's still illegal to have an unrestrained dog in a pickup bed or a convertible, but a bill to prohibit dogs from riding on laps or sticking their head out the window never made it to law.
I live in Hawaii where all occupants inside cab need to be buckled, yet- not illegal for children to be seated in the back of pickup trucks. Very dangerous
Years ago, a friends sheep dog jumped out of his El Camino while moving. They stopped, dusted off the dog, put him back in the truck and went on their merry way. Not exactly a St Bernard, but it was a big dog.
"I made sure he knew I would see him in court". NEVER tell them you'll see them in court. Don't say or do anything that will make them remember you. And HOW can you be cited based on what an anonymous caller says? And if that "anonymous "caller observed the reckless driving on the interstate, did he also then follow the car to the Dollar Store?
That makes a lot more sense!! It’s sort of similar to someone telling a person that they are going to call the cops on them for growing marijuana and then they off you, to shut you up!! (Episode on the TV series Monk).
A large number of tickets get dismissed when the officer doesn't show up to testify. Don't give them a reason to make extra effort to show up for you in particular.
I was pulled over by an officer and told I had been reported as a drunk driver. I wasn't and and was free to leave. I have been pulled over about 3 or 4 times for drunk driving. Everytime the officer could see I wasn't drunk. A little distracted maybe, but not drunk. In another instance we found a dog wandering around and were looking for the owner when a vehicle drove up and claimed it. It had jumped out of the vehicle.
3 or 4 times you've been "distracted" enough to be pulled over for suspicion of OUI? You're the problem here, get off the road before you kill someone.
@@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 what? He admits he drives distracted. Which is also very dangerous. To the point the random public. (Untrained observers) to call the Police. Which is what you are supposed to do. Drivers are to DRIVE. I can drink from bottle, eat snacks safely while driving. If you can’t. Pull over and snack.
That's crazy. I'm in Louisiana and I'm not surprised that they wrote a ticket for this in this state. It doesn't matter if the cop didn't see him. If he goes to court by law it'll get dropped because you have to be able to question your accuser in court. The accuser would be the person that called the cops on the man. I think I'm right about this. Maybe not. The citation code is required on the ticket out here btw.
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
@@MB-ig6gl I'm sure that the scenario you presented is possible. But you imply that the officer did observe the driver operating the vehicle. The point of the Steve Lehto video is that the officer did not see the driver operating the vehicle.
I used to own a 137 lb Great Pyrenees. When I took her to the vet I had her jump into the back of my hatchback and I took the loop of her leash and left it hanging slightly out as I slammed the tailgate. That way I had a hold of her leash as I open the tailgate and prevented any runoff which she wasn't prone to but I didn't want to risk. Probably the simplest way to restrain a large dog from getting on the driver's seat.
Steve, I’ve been a long time dog lover and I believe a responsible one at that. I’ve always secured my dogs in my passenger cars or Ford Explorer trucks as best as can be done to at least minimize injury to them. I believe all drivers should be cognizant to the injury risks to their dogs not being secured but the final decision should rest with them. Let their knowledge and conscience be their guide. I do however have one really strong pet peeve about drivers who ignorantly let their dogs hang their heads out an open window. I know that the dogs love the feeling of the 30, 60, or higher mph wind blowing around their head. What most drivers I believe fail to realize is that the dog’s extremely vulnerable eyes are moving at 30, 60, or higher mph into the wind. If any road debris that gets kicked up into the air; the dog’s eyes will impact it with that same 30, 60, or higher mph road speed. Not an inconsequential problem! Rich🤓🐕🦺
I have a Rescue Retriever that likes to immediately jump from the jump seat of my Dodge Ram to the front to ‘help me’ drive. The way the back seat folds up to allow room for all three dogs, there’s no way to restrain them unless I get a chain to wrap around the front seat brackets. Usually it isn’t a big deal as it’s normally only 3-4 miles to/from my house to the V.E.T. (He, He..I have to spell it out while in front of them). Since I now usually drive a Santa Fe (still have the Ram), I’ve been able to restrain them w/an actual buckle that snaps into the seat belt buckle.
Your research is good and your statement regarding a ticket. From what I know, all states require the state law or the municipal code should be written next the infraction. In TN, we have laws regarding Pick Up trucks (in the bed of the truck) and a new law regarding heat and saving the dog. From what I know, there are municipal ordinances that state you can’t have a dog in the front seat while driving. My boy is 120#. He is always in the back seat of my extended cab Ford.
Wow, this story took me back about 40 years. I used to have a mix Shepard/Mastiff. Baron was not an aggressive dog, he was a protective dog though. He wouldn't allow anyone to harm or even threaten me. One Saturday after spending the day at the lake park driving home, it was already dark. I was stopped by a Wylie Texas cop (known as the one armed cop). He asked for my DL then asked for my buddies ID. Now Baron had a chain collar with his rabies and registration tags attached. I unsnaped his collar and handed it to the cop. He freaked state to reach for his gun, Baron was at this point ready to eat him. I told the idiot cop take your hand off your gun or your going to lose your other arm. Once I convinced the idiot cop to take his hand off of his gun Baron resumed just sitting in the passenger seat like Dog/humans do. FYI this was in my '66 Mustang No ticket just Wylie Cop harrasment on TX State Highway 78 running from lake Lavon.
Similar thing happened to me - I have a well trained German Shepard - cop stops to talk to us while walking in the local park - places his hand on his gun and the dog starts alerting - cop complains that the dog needs to be better trained. I asked the cop if he knew what he did - he didn't - I point out he had his hand on his sidearm and the dog was reacting to that as she was trained to.
My dad years ago like late 70's had a shepard in his pannel van no windows except front and doors. Dog was in the back laying behind him as he drove...cop pulls him over middle of the night...walks up asks for licence and registration...gives him his licence and had to reach across for the registration in the glovebox. As he reaches across the cop being sneaky pokes his 5 cell mag lite in the window to peak in the back...dog grabbed his hand he dropped the lite and the dog held his hand...dad says well I guess you've been busted...and told the dog to release him...no harm or even a skin break but Im sure the cop needed a change of undies. Dad handed him back his lite and the cop only pulled him over because there had been reports of ppl running drugs in a similar van. Dad told him nope just his tools he was on his way home from camp working at a mine. Lol
If the window is open, having your dog restrained is actually important. A few years back, I was walking my dog, and a GSD in a passing car jumped out of the window to try to attack my dog. The dog immediately realized he'd made a mistake, but he appeared to otherwise be fine. Speed limit on the road was 30, so +- 10mph for how fast the car was going at the time.
I was driving on the highway a few years ago and saw a dead pit Bull on the side of the road near the median. Looked like he jumped from a moving car at highway speeds.
@@Cheepchipsable A lot of dog owners are not very decent to their dogs. Imagine pulling over on a busy road to retrieve your dead dog (if you even realize it had jumped out). There's speeding traffic, and there are people taking videos and posting them online and jumping to conclusions. That's just the first hazard. Then there's disposal of the body. It costs money to do it right. Many places don't allow burial of dead pets on your own property, especially in the city. Then you have to explain to the vet why you're showing up with a dead dog. Nope, it's easier to just leave the dog there and go get another one.
Honestly, I've seen dogs that don't behave well in cars that will jump on the driver. Whether any seatbelts have been tested for dog safety or not, a dog jumping on your lap while driving is a safety issue.
Yeah, Steve. I got reported for an accident that never happened and the cop put it on my record. I never knew about it until my insurance went up. When my insurance went up I told my agent I had never had an accident in that location and had never seen a cop there. (It was in the lot of a local C Store that this supposedly happened.) Agent had seen that before in this small town and somehow got it expunged. Rates went back down. Good Driver discount from Farmer’s Ins. They had my signature on no document. Cops do whatever they want to.
Here in Ontario I believe there was something passed whereas your dog must be in the back seat. I have a Smart car without a back seat so I presume that gives me an exemption from the law. Furthermore my boy loves hanging outside the window riding shotgun. My local police don't give me any trouble with it and I keep my dog safe by driving slowly. If I need to speed up I simply bump the window up and my dog sits in his seat. Police here are far too busy to deal with something as petty as a dog getting some fresh air enroute to the dog park. Always entertained by Lehto's Law! Thanks Steve
LOL. I get the driver's seat in my car. My cat owns the rest, from the dash board to the rear window. My biggest problem with her in the car is getting her OUT of her car...
@@spottheborgcat6523 Congratulations, you have found the 100 Peso note, which technically is $100 Mexican 😁 There is also a 50 Peso and a Canadian $10 in the same bundle and some other non US currency scattered around in places you normally cannot see.
There isn't an explicit law in my country that says dogs need to be in a seat belt. However, there is a law that says that cargo needs to be secured. Since pets are "goods" in the eyes of the law, they are cargo and thus need to be secured. I've also read incident reports about single sided crashes where there was a small dog or cat unsecured in the vehicle. The animal was startled by something, freaked out and either hid underneath the pedals or jumped on the driver. It's a sad thing, but there really is a good, safety based, reason why animals in vehicles need to be properly secured.
Cargo is considered secured so long as it can't leave the vehicle,the purpose of that law is to prevent objects from falling from a vehicle in motion on a road, Otherwise is it illegal to carry groceries in the backseat? I think not...
@@jaykoerner technically it is illegal to transport groceries in the back seat. Is any cop going to make an issue about it? No probably not, they have much better things to do.
I spent like 200 bucks trying to find a seatbelt that fits both my 95lb dog and my car. The car seatbelts are too short to go through the harnesses. I got a ruffwear one that has a longish strap in the back but it allows so much forward movement that it isn't useful. I have a Corolla, the back seat is small
My dog almost lost his leg to a sleepypod clickit. I took pictures and posted a review on amazon. The review got well hidden. This issue is common and there were reviewers blaming the fault on the dog.
My experience in NC is that although the tickets may have multiple charges on it, if one charge is thrown out, the entire ticket is thrown out. As I am not a lawyer, don't ask me what law provides this provision as I do not know if it is a law or part of the court's rules. This knowledge comes from my past experiences getting tickets.
Might be some truth there. I got five tickets in one day in NC. Same cop pulled me, told me to go strait home, then pulled me a second time. Real winner, he threatened to plant weed in my van. The court was less than impressed- five tickets seemed a bit excessive, so the whole thing was tossed. That cop was fired less than a year later, so maybe there’s a bit of poetic justice left in the world.
@@nightshadefern162 in your case, because of the record, it shows that it was all probably police harassment. What I'm talking about is when they put two different violations on the same ticket. It's because of the general policy of one of the violations being voided causes the entire ticket to be voided that you will tend to receive multiple tickets for multiple infractions during the same event.
I have seen pictures of The Civil Rights Lawyer's dog called "lawyer dog" but am unsure of his jurisdiction. (Don't know what bars he raised his leg upon.)
I see a lot of drivers around here driving with small dogs on their laps, usually little old ladies. That definitely needs to be cited as careless driving IMO
I think it depends on the laws of the state they are in. I mean they have arrested and convicted people for murder on just eye witness testimony before. Why not a ticket?
@@davidtherwhanger6795 As bad as it often is, eyewitness testimony is much better than the evidence here, if the person reporting the infraction never shows up to court to testify. At that point, the evidence would be hearsay, since we only have the cop saying that someone else told him that he saw the infraction.
For the last 20? years, we have harnessed our dogs while in a vehicle. Dog harness, heavy strapage - sometimes we've used climbing apparel (stops a person in a fall), and links into child safety seat attachment points. I also bought "safety knives" (for cutting seatbelt webbing) for both sides of the vehicles (glow in the dark BTW) to get them out in the event of a crash. And there are safety stickers on the windows. My wife spent 25 years as a vet tech and has seen / repaired to many canine injuries to let ours "roam free". aka dog in the drivers lap that gets blasted by the air bags.
I remember on The Dukes of Hazzard when Rosco would leave the passenger seatbelt buckled in his police car and he'd tell his basset hound Flash to "buckle up for safety" and she'd stick her head behind the shoulder belt 🤣🤣🤣
It's a law in NJ. New Jersey statute 4:22-18 and 4:22-18. One is the law, the other spells out the penalties. I remember some discussion about this somewhere where it was suggested this is about being in an accident, but more about when people lower windows for dogs. If the dog decides to jump out an open window, it can be hurt, or, cause accidents when other drivers try to avoid hitting it. Officer has to see it, though, or else the person that does see it has to be the one to issue the ticket via the municipality/county with jurisdiction, or the state, and they have to go to court to testify to make it stick.
I recently saw a video of tourists in Yellowstone parked alongside the road to watch 2 large grizzly bears that came down close to the cars. They had 2 large dogs hanging out of their windows. I don't know if there are any laws about securing your dogs there, but I do know it's illegal to feed the bears.
I saw a show when they TESTED DOG SEAT BELTS AND THEY FAILED MISERABLY ! I believe some actually made things worse. This was years ago. Idk if things have changed
That's my concern. There are only a few seatbelts that have been crash tested. There are a lot of potential safety issues for the dog and the humans in the car. Also i did have my dog in her seatbelt once and she stepped on the release button. She's gotten twisted in the seatbelt as well which is obviously distracting. It's way more complex than people act like it is, it's a serious engineering issue
I saw the same program about testing pet harnesses and seat restraints. In some cases I noticed when the animal lurched forward too fast, the buckle would fail or not stay locked. unlike the belts for humans they were not strapped securely and allowed to travel contributing to a lot of the instances. Also I thought the animal would be trapped in the vehicle in the worst case scenario putting it in just as much jeopardy as if not secured and allowed to escape, and possibly seeking help.
My dog almost lost his leg to a sleepypod clickit. I took pictures and posted a review on amazon. The review got well hidden. This issue is common and there were reviewers blaming the fault on the dog.
It really depends on the State and what their laws say I guess. I mean a cop can arrest some one for a crime and the court convict them of a crime all on the say so of another. Why not a ticket for a much lower crime?
Probably not for an anonymous complaint, but I've been asked if I wanted to press charges after calling about erratic drivers when the cops didn't see it. How much my testimony would matter compared to a cop's is another matter.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 Traffic violations are not crimes. There are crimes related to the operation of a vehicle and they are listed in the penal code of each state separate from the vehicle traffic law. In the case of a crime the witness will sign a sworn statement and appear in court to testify as to what they saw. The witness is subject to cross examination by the defense because witness testimony is not always reliable. 02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
If I had Ol Ben it would a 2nd awesome day today. Either way the ticket(s) should be voided as the officer did not witness the violation(s) and it simply can not be legal to issue citations based on hearsay.
I recently talked to my vet about this when my Basset went from the back seat to the front dash of my Buick while avoiding a woman who ran a stop sign. The vet confirmed, per my own research, that there is currently nothing out there that makes a dog safer, or more at risk. In other words, the harnesses for dogs, based on data, do not save dogs lives. To your point, it can prevent some injuries in a minor accident, but no data to confirm. A Basset is around 65 lbs full grown. A dog that size, per my vet, is better off with one of the screens designed to catch the animal, or in my car's case, a soft nylon net that fits between the front seats. The dude is 100% right. Good for him fighting this.
Driver in court: I’d like to face my accuser. Who claims they witnessed my driving? Judge: Officer, did you witness the erratic driving, and the dog without a belt? Cop: no, your honor. Judge: case dismissed.
Judge: Officer, did you witness the erratic driving, and the dog without a belt? Cop: I was reasonably certain the driver had committed the actions for which I cited him due to my years of experience. Judge: Sustained. Defendant is ordered to pay the fine and court costs. NEXT!! Fixed that for ya. 😁
@@shabless81 he is an African Grey Congo Parrot. Kind of hard to see but in my profile picture he is on a rope I string around my sailboat for him to get around.
in Alaska they had basic speed tickets, in officers opinion your speed was not consistent with road conditions, yea it was just an excuse to bring in more money. many of the tickets were for people from out of state driving too slow in the winter.
I just did a search of Louisiana citizen arrest statue and apparently Louisiana is one of a few states that require the offense be a felony for a citizen arrest, which brings into question how the officer was able to cite the driver without actually seeing the offense.
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
@@1982nsu Depends on the state. In California there is a check box that states the violation was not committed in the officer's presence. That is because the citations are also used for criminal (non-traffic) offenses and/or citizen's arrest complaints. When I worked for both Los Angeles Co Sheriff and later Santa Cruz PD, you had the arresting party sign the citation in the box "Name Arresting citing officer" and the officer signed a box "Name of Arresting officer if different from citing officer". While this was not a legal requirement, it was for liability reasons as for years until it changed, CA had a law mandating the police accept all citizen arrests.
@@TheOnespeedbiker The subject of Steve Lehto's video was about a "traffic" violation that was NOT witnessed by the officer. There was no mention or allegation of a "crime." However, the legal threshold for police to "arrest" in a criminal situation is called "Probable Cause To Believe" which comes from the U.S. Constitution and it applies to ALL states. You need to do a little more research. Let me know when you get to the level of my 21 years of service and experience.
@@1982nsu Lol I am retired Law Enforcement with 26 Years, including accident investigation and reconstruction and was a detective and detective supervisor. I have already responded elsewhere indicting I believe this arrest was illegal (and in Louisiana a traffic infraction is an arrest followed by a field release with a promise to appear; that is what a citation is). The sole purpose of my post was to address the citation verbage you mentioned and nothing else. But while we're on the subject, there is nothing in the US Constitution that defines or grants power to state law enforcement officers to make arrests. Those powers however are defined (but not granted) by the SCOTUS in People vs Perry, which defines two level thresholds for police officers making arrests. The first is reasonable cause, (reasonable suspicion the a felony has occurred) and the second is probable cause to believe a criminal offense has occurred. On the subject of traffic infractions, unless a jurisdiction has passed laws changing Traffic Infractions to civil violations, all traffic violations are by definition criminal. There are still many states that allow peace officers to arrest and book for Traffic infractions, which by definition makes them criminal offenses. One way to determines if traffic infractions are civil or criminal is whether a fail to appear results in a warrant for arrest; if so then the traffic infractions are criminal and not civil. In CA, traffic infraction are treated solely as civil violations, which means no possible arrest or jail time for not paying the fine or an FTA ; IOW a FTA will not result in a warrant for their arrest, only a letter to appear. Previously this could result in a driver's license suspension, but that was done away with by the CA Legislature in an omnibus bill in 2017. So now all they can do is hold your vehicle registration hostage until you pay your fines and fees.
Maine's Law is specific to an "Open Vehicle" which according to Maine Law is a vehicle like a pick up with an open portion, or a convertible. It says the dog must be secured, but doesn't indicate a specific way to be secured, such as a seatbelt. Maine does have another law called "Distractive Driving" which leaves many things open for interpretation. Eating, using the phone (The phone has a separate infraction), reading, putting on makeup, drinking coffee, so a dog not secured could possibly be included. I personally have a seatbelt for my dog. Dog wears a harness and has a belt that attaches on one side to the harness and the other end attaches to the receiver end of the seatbelt. Maine's citations indicate which law was violated on the citation. (I'm not an attorney, but a professional driver and am quite familiar with Maine's driving laws) I enjoy your video's and some have caused me to look up what Maine's laws were on that particular subject. Keep up the great videos.
I've been to a number of accidents where the animal was a distraction in the lap of the driver. I've seen medium and large breed dogs faces out the drivers window of many vehicles. Then we have pickup trucks with untethered dogs in the truck bed. Poor, poor animals and I'm talking of the 4 legged ones.
I live in Pennsylvania.So annoying to see people walking dogs in a park without a leash.Signs clearly stating they must be on leashes at all times.They continue to do it so what can be done about it ? I no longer walk my dog where people keep doing it.Question 2 # I have invisible fence for my dog on property,private property signs are posted down the slope of our property.I have 2 beware of dog signs facing both directions in our 3/4 acre lot in the front.If a trespasser comes in my yard and gets bit am I liable ?
Crazy how writing traffic tickets tends to devolve into a mundane and imprecise activity for police. Just write a citation, see if the alleged charges stick, or otherwise go uncontested, because fighting traffic tickets often go unchallenged.
In 1974, I got a parking ticket for parking too far from the curb at the LAX departure drive up. Too far meant "18 inches from curb to tire". My rear tire measured 14" (I carried a tape measure). My front tire was touching the curb. The ticket was $10 at the time. I paid it because it would have cost me far more to fight it, both in time and money. They are well aware of this conundrum... edit: But then again, getting a ticket can be a good thing too. In that same general time period, right after the new Hwy 5 opened in California and the speed limit was 70 mph with 72 miles between gas stations at the time, I drove down from Sacramento to Orange county with my then fiancé. My 67 Mustang V8 was doing great, but I didn't have a working speedometer. So we're cruising along at what I thought was about 85 in a 70 zone, thinking the ret of traffic was going a bit slowly. Looked in the mirror, and way, way back there was a CHP Polaris so I slowed down to avoid being tagged. Apparently I slowed down to around 85... I get pulled over over course and the comes the dreaded question, "Do you know how fast you were going?" "Um, no officer, my speedometer is broken" "I've been chasing you for 14 miles. I was about to call for a roadblock. I was doing 115 and you were walking away from me..." I think the shock on my face registered with him. He was nice and wrote it up for 80 in a 70 without charging reckless driving, an automatic for anything over 20 mph of the limit. He probably saved our lives. Traveling at those speeds for great distance on the biased ply tires of the day was chancing a blow out due to heat fatigue...
@@cdc3 you didn't pay the airport ticket, because it would cost too much time and money to fight... That probably goes the other way too. Why would the airport police waste time and money to defend a petty $10 ticket? The citizen if found guilty is only having to pay $10... So doing silly time wasting things like asking for a jury trial is not worth the effort for a prosecutor. It works both ways.
Would be interesting to know the reasoning for those few states having the dog seatbelt law. With animals, the seatbelt idea can be more risky since they wouldn't know how to buckle or unbuckle them if there were a crash and immediate need to get away from the vehicle, such as if it caught on fire etc.
I think the term seatbelt is being used freely here. Most if not all the laws use the term restraint. The outside the vehicle (pick-up bed) laws are to protect the animal, but the inside the vehicle restraint laws are not to protect the animal, rather they are to stop the animal from interfering with the driver.
Or they might need to get out in a hurry to run away from the aliens in the UFO that caused the crash. Because there's no way that old myth that it's much safer to wear a seat belt despite the rare instances where they cause problems could be right.
@@mandolinic People are their own worst enemy most of the time. Common sense plays differently among pet owners which is sad. They think its being mean to a pet to get them through obedience classes but its really the person who fails most of the time.
As of July 2021, there were no laws regarding securement of dogs while traveling in a motor vehicle in the State of Louisiana, only leaving pets in an unattended vehicle...similar to leaving children in cars unattended. Most of the States that require crating or harnessed are in the extreme N.E. i.e. Maine, N.H., Mass., R.I., C.T. and the 6th State are M.N.
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
It's not legal. It won't stick in court. The cop is banking on the recipient just paying the citation. If you think cops act according to the law, you need to check out ChandTy Audits, Long Island Audit, Press Hard and countless others. This recipient nerds to take that ticket as evidence of the cop committing perjury and file a complaint (not with Internal Affairs).
That place was always a speed trap on the interstate that ran by Washington. Always knew to drive the speed limit when approaching the exit to trhat town. They were finally told to stop that racket out.
Oregon law requires a dog in an open vehicle to be secured in such a way it cannot fall or jump out of the vehicle. and I've seen a dog hanging by its neck on the outside of a pickup bed trying to claw its way back into the pickup bed while the driver appeared completely oblivious to the dog's distress. - which means the driver obviously did not use his mirrors, or he would have SEEN the dog hanging on the driver's side of the pickup.
I was in a traffic accident and had to get my car towed home the tow truck driver would not let me put my dog in the tow truck so I asked the police officer if I could put him in my car while being towed. He said yes.
The deciding factor on this question was, for me, when I witnessed an accident. The two humans had to be pulled out, but, they didn't have the time to unhook the dog in the back, after the car burst in to flame. I will hear that dog's cries as it burned for the rest of my life. If the dog had been free, it might have been hurt - but it had a better chance of being saved.
My dog almost lost his leg to a sleepypod clickit. I took pictures and posted a review on amazon. The review got well hidden. This issue is common and there were reviewers blaming the fault on the dog.
@@HenryLoenwind Or the dog's body could have provided padding and thus protected the human from severe injuries, and the combination of human and dog was the factor that saved BOTH of their lives? Who knows?
I live in NC and there is an electronic sign that sometimes reads all passengers must wear a seatbelt. I always have my dog's harness clipped to a seat belt. But I often wonder if the law applies to dogs.
In California, dogs have to be either tethered or in a crate if they are i the back of a truck. There is no requirement for restraint for dogs within the passenger compartment.
Not having heard this yet, I have to wonder if this is a state (or locality) that requires pets be restrained when riding in a vehicle. I've been told such an ordinance does exist in Nashvile TN but don't know how common this is.
Since a Dog is Property... and my bag of groceries is property... I guess my bag of groceries has to be wearing a seat belt too. Thank God I have 10 Cup holders! Do they make seat belts for Cats? We need to have the government do a Study on all the things that must have seat belts! Public Busses and most School Busses don't have seat belts. Amtrak does not have seat belts. Cops don't have to wear seat belts. (They are Exempt from the Laws) Tractors don't have seat belts. Motorcycles don't have seat belts. Snowmobiles don't have seat belts. Boats don't have seat belts. Jet skis don't have seat belts. Surfboards, bicycles, skateboards, etc. don't have seat belts. Escalators don't have seat belts. OMG... we are all going to Die if the Government masters don't protect us from ourselves! Just to teach us a lesson... they will Steal your Money and throw you in a Cage! You are just as likely to Die at the hands of the Government!
Had a passenger who had his Labrador Retriever "along with" in the cab of my full-size "Hamerican" truck. Dog ended up on the driver's side, and I Blew Right Through a stoplight while I was trying to get the animal out from Under my boots. (Lucky for all of us, that the driver who Had the Right of Way was a Careful Operator, and did not hit the accelerator, as soon as he {she?} saw Green.)
Does that law specify HOW the dog is to be restrained? Does the government certify specific restraints or restraint methods? I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, I am honestly asking.
Seen a video a few years back on the TV 😅 they were testing dog harnesses for cars well if I remember right they all broke around 30 miles per hour. Just think you fall at 30 feet per second square fall 6 feet with a harness tied with a rope. When you stop there is around 5000 pounds of force
My dog always wears a seatbelt. I have a heavy metal carabiner that I use to clip the center rear seatbelt to his harness. I'm not sure it will save his life in an accident, but at 120 lbs, it might save someone else's life if it stops him from flying through the air in an accident.
Decades ago (before harnesses were common), I had a cop at a roadblock half jokingly tell me that I needed to buckle up the dog that was in my girlfriend's lap. I told him if he would show me how, I'd be happy to do so. He smirked and told me to move along. BTW, I have driven with a 150lb St. Bernard mix in my lap for short distances. (read, until I could safely pull over and get him to go in the other seat.)
I've had seat belts for my dogs for 25+ years. It's a large ballistic padded nylon vest that goes on the dog, that is held in place by a lanyard that attaches to the LATCH connector (for baby seats). The point of the seat belt is to prevent the dog from flying across the car, which would definitely cause more injuries than the bruises or broken ribs caused by the vest, in the event of an accident. In Pennsylvania, there is no law requiring seat belts for a dog.
Do you mind sharing a brand name? I've only seen harnesses that have webbing loops to run the seatbelt through. They don't work in my car but I have the LATCH attachments
@@maxsdad538 wrong they can't demand ID if you're not suspected of a crime or violation, since dogs dont need a seatbelt it's an illegal stop. Learn ID laws and you won't look like a moron online.
In the U.K. a dog has to be 'suitably restrained' which can be a harness or screen/cage. It’s not so much about keeping the dog safe but keeping the occupants safe from a flying object which cause more damage than hitting the windscreen.
1. Sue the cop in small claims court for wasting your time. 2. Sue the cop for “False-Ticket”. 3. Sue the Police Department for hiring the cop. 4. Sue the City for mismanaging their PD.
Here that is very normal to get ticket for not securing your dog in the car. Its not to protect the dog, but everybody else in the car incase of a crash or hard stop. Steve, it can be that a dog is considered cargo in that state ;-)
That was my thought. Although I was also thinking that if the ticket was issued based on a tip from a third party, the ticket better get thrown out if that third party doesn't show up to court to offer his testimony.
@@bobbun9630, exactly. We will be in a very dire situation in this country if a random person can call the cops, claim they saw you commit a traffic violation and you get ticketed purely on heresay.
I can see that view. Being a retired long haul driver, I have seen to many "oops, it fell off" on the side or in a lane of the road. I have seen very expensive furniture, high dollar equipment and of course mattresses and plywood that have been actual or potential causes of accidents ... so far, no dogs.
They are considered property by the law, so my dog, under the law is similar to some bread... Just wait, Next we will have to secure grocery bags or els get a ticket. Sounds crazy. But that exactly what happens when they get involved. They push it as far as it can possibly go. They will say your gallon of milk can break on the windshield, coating it in milk making it difficult to see so then you could crash. See it's a hazzard now you have to lock up your groceries.... I hate it. But I can see it coming.
In New Jersey, pets in moving vehicles must ride in a carrier or wear a seat belt. Failure to comply can result in a fine of $250 to $1000. My dog is in my car a lot. I do not comply.
Nothing new about crooked cops making up laws and ignoring the was when it's convenient for them for their friends or family. From the president down to ticket cops. The whole system needs a good cleaning.
Circa 2001. Ticketed by a rookie female cop in Tulsa for not wearing a seatbelt on a motorcycle. True story. My fellow riding buddies were cracking up. Cop insisted that all vehicles come fitted with seat belts. Went to court the next month and the Judge was confused at 1st, then chuckled asked me if I received the ticket while on a motorcycle. When I said yes sir, he chuckled again and then dismissed the ticket. He stated he would contact the officer’s supervisor to make sure she was aware that motorcycles are exempt from seat belts.
lol If there was a way to secure a rider to a motorcycle, wouldn't the motorcycle be likely to injure or kill the rider in an accident?
@@Primalxbeast exactly, 100%. I've heard of people getting injured/pinned down from a motorcycle falling on them... while not even driving. imagine that happening at 60 mph? if the accident didn't kill the driver, the motorcycle they are strapped to absolutely would.
... on that note, I don't think motorcycles even HAVE seatbelts. don't own one, so I don't know for sure, but I've never seen one have a seatbelt.
@@banaman7746 No, they don't have a seatbelt. I would not like the idea to be towed anywhere my bike decides to go, for example below a guardrail, train or truck. After a fall, mostly you have a nice, not-too-high flight in the direction you chose before, hopefully not into the oncoming traffic, down a slope or right into the next river.
In my country, in California and I am sure in any other state of the U.S. you are obliged to wear a helmet. Furthermore, there are even airbags for biker on sale with the protective suit.
@@banaman7746
I'v got some road rash scars from exactly that(being stuck to the bike).
Was on fire road on a duel-sport, wasn't going excessively fast but was testing the lean limits on the gravel(young full of piss and vinegar), ass end starts sliding out, start fishtailing out the corner, did manage to slow it down considerably, but at the moment when I decided i couldn't recover and tried to eject, I managed to hook the lip of my boot on the factory helmet lock mount, and the bike took me down with it.
About 10-20 sec later my friend came around the corner thinking "O god hes dead, how do i explain this to his mom." about that time I had completed my basic damage assessment of myself, pinned under the running bike, forced myself up enough to hit the kill switch, lied back down and asked my friend when he approached" could you get my bike off me and lay it up ageist a tree while i rest a bit?"
So, 1) you were ridiculously wrongly ticketed and then 2) the judge laughed instead of apologizing for the failure of the legal system? Sounds about like it is. 😡 Judge should have been embarrassed, not amused.
So the cop wrote this man a ticket based on hearsay? Our law enforcement and judicial system has just fallen apart in this country. How can they even be seen as legitimate anymore
Look up the word : FASCISM , it is functioning perfectly
They have overseen lynchings for hundreds of years. They were never legitimate
@@no_peace absolute truth
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
Bingo!
I honestly don't get how more people can't see that our judicial system has failed miserably.
Every level to the Supreme corrupt court. Just look at their ridiculous rulings.
They consistantly rule in favor of gov/ corporations over the rights of citizens.
They fail to keep the other branches in check.
We don't have a justice system. We have a conviction system.
I'm sure a lot of attorneys will disagree.
They make good bank off our corrupt system, many have significant student loan debt.
Sadly, Satan has her advocates
Too often police do not serve the public interest. This is either harassment, police ignorance, or an effort to meet a ticket quota. The careless driving will lack a credible witness in court given this officer's explanation of a "phoned in complaint".
I'd sue everybody.
The defendant is allowed to face their accuser. Their might not be a valid accuser here.
I'd agree some in that suggestion. Also, why is it that police tend to cut their hair, shave their hair off and have tattoo's to look like gang bangers?
@@contradictorycrow4327 I believe the man who is the injured party in this instance said he intends to fight it.
@@thadrepairsitall1278 Yep, I'm thinking the same thing. No witness or evidence to support the officer tickets.
Over a decade ago we own a 3 person Jet Ski wave runner. One day my German Shepard jump on after I took my kids for a ride. Turns out my crazy dog loved going fast on the jet ski with me. So we bought her a life vest for a dog. About a year later the Sheriff Marine Officer stopped us. They wanted a photo of the Jet Ski dog. The Officer in life vest and dog in life vest were photographed. It was used to encourage pet owners to have life vests for pets.
I work on boats for a living, I highly encourage vests for pets.
THAT I could understand
Used to have a vest for my beagle... only one I ever had that sank like a brick in the pool!
This was a nice wholesome reply
Dogs can swim. If your dog cant swim then it shouldn't be near water.
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
Thank you for being Old School. The way Cops are treated now, and the way they treat others makes me wish for the old days.
@@captainandrew016 in the old days there wasn't video evidence but still a lot of people claiming that cops were corrupted and/or out to ruin innoceny citizens day/year/life. Now we have historical records of some of the stuff bad cops did
You have the right to confront any witness against you. Only cop case dismissed. Then file suit against everyone involved.
@@captainandrew016 Thanks, much appreciated.
@@rkyyrs9477 Yeah cept these days if the Cop spotted you, they also have it on camera
I used to live in the state and I'm not shocked at all. Louisiana laws allow the churning of tickets in a very shady way. they tried to get me twice before I worked for a big plumbing company with police connections and it stopped. Give a shady ticket for the smallest things or things without proof, force you to court, court doesn't even hear what you have to say and "We're lowering it to a non moving violation so its not on your record. Pay court fees and non moving violation fees" which end up THREE TIMES the cost of the ticket. Every Louisiana court would have long lines of people waiting to argue their tickets and got slapped with those court fees and non moving violations. It was a business and perfectly legal somehow. Win or lose you pay obscene fees unless you had a good lawyer or connections, the lawyer of which is also expensive.
Demand an actual jury trial.
@@accuratealloys The only way you get that in Louisiana for a traffic violation is to pay the ticket first then sue for a refund. Your legal fees will be many orders of magnitude more than you could ever hope to recover. And The System knows it, which is why it seldom happens.
Seeing the cop issued the ticket based on a complaint, in court you can demand the complainer, your accuser face you in court or have it dismissed.
Like I told another commenter, I doubt even the cop will show up for a court case on this. As I understand it many cops don't even go to court over this as it would take them off patrol too much.
And there may not even be a caller that complained. I seem to remember a scam some time back where cops were just making up stuff to write enough tickets to fill a quota. The cop's probably thinking "I just gotta write them or get shafted by the department. It doesn't matter if they stick. So I'll just put some BS down that will surely get tossed. And call it a day."
In my state, if a non-cop calls about a bad driver then that person is listed as the complainant on the ticket. So if you fight it they HAVE to show up or the ticket is thrown out.
Which is why they'll make the ticket cheaper than court costs.
@@laurelsporter You do know you pay court cost even if you don't fight the ticket? All tickets are the ticket price plus court cost.
@@mercdragons Some locations make the court costs an extra fee assessed on top as punishment for appearing in court.
Years ago I had a small terrier who didn't like to be home alone, so whenever I could I'd take him w/ me in the car. In warmer weather he liked to stand up at the window. So I'd knot up his leash so he could just reach & put the center seatbelt -1976 Nova, bench seat- through the hand loop. One time while we were still parked he saw another dog & got so excited that he fell out of the window. I had to get out &
go around the car to lift him back in & the shortened the leash a little more. Thanks for reminding me of a good friend.
This entire citation gets thrown out when the accused driver goes to court. The officer did not see it, but is relying on dispatch's version of what a caller or callers said. That's not just hearsay. That's **double** hearsay. Adding that the dog is not using a seatbelt should get the officer a verbal reprimand from the bench, and the driver should receive a profound apology from the court. Hopefully there's a lawsuit next. This may seem trivial, but the Constitution is not.
Well said !!👍👍
Na, should be convicted of official oppression.
That first level of hearsay can be overcome under some of the exceptions to the hearsay law.
@@isaacclark9825 unfortunately.
@@isaacclark9825 There are no exceptions of the hearsay rule that would apply to "Hey, Officer, that guy over there ran the stop sign up the street an hour ago." The patrolman cannot sustain a citation based on that.
My turtle got a seat belt ticket last week. I'm trying to get him to fight it but he really doesn't want to come out of his shell.
He knows which cup the ball is under...
Those seatbelts for turtles are tricky, mine uses a booster seat instead.
@@katiekane5247
It's booster seats all the way down
What if you have a large snake coiled around the passenger seat? Does it count as it's own seat belt?
Back in the 70's there was a guy who rode around on his HD with a German Shepard on the back, had goggles even.
In the Ypsilanti area.
Southern California was (and still is) full of people like that.
Did the dog wear a helmet?
Mostly in Malibu and Santa Monica
A couple of items for you. 1. A friend of mine was pulled over by a Sheriff's deputy since it appeared a Great Dane was driving the vehicle with a person in the passenger seat. When the deputy walked up to the stopped former mail truck, he found the Great Dane was in the left hand seat and my friend was driving the right hand drive vehicle. Both had a good laugh. 2. I use dog harnesses for both my dogs since they love to ride with us when we take trips. The harnesses are attached to a rigging harness which allows them to have full mobility of the back seat area (crew cab truck) while they are prevented from being hurled forward or leaping out of the truck when we make stops. This allows me to attach the leash to each dog without worrying about them getting away from me. Have fun and enjoy your week.
Damn, that officer must've looked once, twice and third just be sure..
When I lived in Maine, a driver was killed in an accident near my home. His dog, loose inside the pick-up's cab, was determined to be the cause. It's still illegal to have an unrestrained dog in a pickup bed or a convertible, but a bill to prohibit dogs from riding on laps or sticking their head out the window never made it to law.
I live in Hawaii where all occupants inside cab need to be buckled, yet- not illegal for children to be seated in the back of pickup trucks. Very dangerous
What would happen if the airbag went off with a dog sitting in your lap hanging out the window? Would it crush the dogs chest and kill them?
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@@shasshybear9222 OK...
People shouldn’t be allowed to drive with their dogs in their lap regardless what size it is.
A ticket based on hearsay? Since when did these start getting handed out?
since cops stopped getting shot for being nazis
All the time.
Like the sign from Law Dogs in Van Nuys, CA. I used to go there all the time.
Years ago, a friends sheep dog jumped out of his El Camino while moving. They stopped, dusted off the dog, put him back in the truck and went on their merry way. Not exactly a St Bernard, but it was a big dog.
I do enjoy how authentic you are as a person
"I made sure he knew I would see him in court". NEVER tell them you'll see them in court. Don't say or do anything that will make them remember you. And HOW can you be cited based on what an anonymous caller says? And if that "anonymous "caller observed the reckless driving on the interstate, did he also then follow the car to the Dollar Store?
That makes a lot more sense!! It’s sort of similar to someone telling a person that they are going to call the cops on them for growing marijuana and then they off you, to shut you up!! (Episode on the TV series Monk).
A large number of tickets get dismissed when the officer doesn't show up to testify. Don't give them a reason to make extra effort to show up for you in particular.
I was pulled over by an officer and told I had been reported as a drunk driver. I wasn't and and was free to leave. I have been pulled over about 3 or 4 times for drunk driving. Everytime the officer could see I wasn't drunk. A little distracted maybe, but not drunk.
In another instance we found a dog wandering around and were looking for the owner when a vehicle drove up and claimed it. It had jumped out of the vehicle.
3 or 4 times you've been "distracted" enough to be pulled over for suspicion of OUI? You're the problem here, get off the road before you kill someone.
You should have sued for every instance. Fuck the liars.
Pretty bad that you’re so distracted that you get pulled over. Maybe it’s time to start paying more attention to the road.
@@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 what? He admits he drives distracted. Which is also very dangerous. To the point the random public. (Untrained observers) to call the Police. Which is what you are supposed to do.
Drivers are to DRIVE. I can drink from bottle, eat snacks safely while driving. If you can’t. Pull over and snack.
Either you aren't a very steady driver, or there's a Karen who keeps reporting you.
That's crazy. I'm in Louisiana and I'm not surprised that they wrote a ticket for this in this state.
It doesn't matter if the cop didn't see him. If he goes to court by law it'll get dropped because you have to be able to question your accuser in court. The accuser would be the person that called the cops on the man. I think I'm right about this. Maybe not.
The citation code is required on the ticket out here btw.
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
Cop: "Where are you heading in such a hurry?"
Driver: Says something
Cop in court: Driver admitted to speeding and driving recklessly
@Gretchen K. Yes Gretchen you are correct. Any straight shooting judge should dismiss the case.
@@MB-ig6gl I'm sure that the scenario you presented is possible. But you imply that the officer did observe the driver operating the vehicle. The point of the Steve Lehto video is that the officer did not see the driver operating the vehicle.
I used to own a 137 lb Great Pyrenees. When I took her to the vet I had her jump into the back of my hatchback and I took the loop of her leash and left it hanging slightly out as I slammed the tailgate. That way I had a hold of her leash as I open the tailgate and prevented any runoff which she wasn't prone to but I didn't want to risk. Probably the simplest way to restrain a large dog from getting on the driver's seat.
Steve, I’ve been a long time dog lover and I believe a responsible one at that. I’ve always secured my dogs in my passenger cars or Ford Explorer trucks as best as can be done to at least minimize injury to them. I believe all drivers should be cognizant to the injury risks to their dogs not being secured but the final decision should rest with them. Let their knowledge and conscience be their guide. I do however have one really strong pet peeve about drivers who ignorantly let their dogs hang their heads out an open window. I know that the dogs love the feeling of the 30, 60, or higher mph wind blowing around their head. What most drivers I believe fail to realize is that the dog’s extremely vulnerable eyes are moving at 30, 60, or higher mph into the wind. If any road debris that gets kicked up into the air; the dog’s eyes will impact it with that same 30, 60, or higher mph road speed. Not an inconsequential problem! Rich🤓🐕🦺
Is it possible that the law requires “occupants” to be restrained, rather than “passengers?”
If you want to give dogs the legal status of personhood, I wouldn't object.
@@markstuber4731 being able to charge the atf for murder when they murder dogs? Sounds like a deal
Make a dog a person. I need the tax break declaring mine as dependents
Probable.
@@markstuber4731 Fine: gets nose swatted with a newspaper and a stern No!
I have a Rescue Retriever that likes to immediately jump from the jump seat of my Dodge Ram to the front to ‘help me’ drive. The way the back seat folds up to allow room for all three dogs, there’s no way to restrain them unless I get a chain to wrap around the front seat brackets. Usually it isn’t a big deal as it’s normally only 3-4 miles to/from my house to the V.E.T. (He, He..I have to spell it out while in front of them). Since I now usually drive a Santa Fe (still have the Ram), I’ve been able to restrain them w/an actual buckle that snaps into the seat belt buckle.
The dog should testify in court, though finding a translator that speaks K9 and English might be difficult if Brian from Family Guy is unavailable.
Don't worry, dog does not need to know English, just Bayeux Cajun
Your research is good and your statement regarding a ticket. From what I know, all states require the state law or the municipal code should be written next the infraction. In TN, we have laws regarding Pick Up trucks (in the bed of the truck) and a new law regarding heat and saving the dog. From what I know, there are municipal ordinances that state you can’t have a dog in the front seat while driving. My boy is 120#. He is always in the back seat of my extended cab Ford.
He should be in a cage
We have a doggie seat restrant. Its a sort of jacket that goes around his body and attaches to the human seatbelt. He's a small to medium sized dog.
"My human parents describe me as small to medium - I describe myself as large and extremely powerful..."
Wow, this story took me back about 40 years. I used to have a mix Shepard/Mastiff. Baron was not an aggressive dog, he was a protective dog though. He wouldn't allow anyone to harm or even threaten me.
One Saturday after spending the day at the lake park driving home, it was already dark. I was stopped by a Wylie Texas cop (known as the one armed cop). He asked for my DL then asked for my buddies ID. Now Baron had a chain collar with his rabies and registration tags attached. I unsnaped his collar and handed it to the cop. He freaked state to reach for his gun, Baron was at this point ready to eat him. I told the idiot cop take your hand off your gun or your going to lose your other arm. Once I convinced the idiot cop to take his hand off of his gun Baron resumed just sitting in the passenger seat like Dog/humans do.
FYI this was in my '66 Mustang
No ticket just Wylie Cop harrasment on TX State Highway 78 running from lake Lavon.
Similar thing happened to me - I have a well trained German Shepard - cop stops to talk to us while walking in the local park - places his hand on his gun and the dog starts alerting - cop complains that the dog needs to be better trained. I asked the cop if he knew what he did - he didn't - I point out he had his hand on his sidearm and the dog was reacting to that as she was trained to.
@@cpe111 wow, great dog!!
My dad years ago like late 70's had a shepard in his pannel van no windows except front and doors. Dog was in the back laying behind him as he drove...cop pulls him over middle of the night...walks up asks for licence and registration...gives him his licence and had to reach across for the registration in the glovebox. As he reaches across the cop being sneaky pokes his 5 cell mag lite in the window to peak in the back...dog grabbed his hand he dropped the lite and the dog held his hand...dad says well I guess you've been busted...and told the dog to release him...no harm or even a skin break but Im sure the cop needed a change of undies. Dad handed him back his lite and the cop only pulled him over because there had been reports of ppl running drugs in a similar van. Dad told him nope just his tools he was on his way home from camp working at a mine. Lol
@@robreesor5011 that story made me laugh! I guess he learned his lesson to be more careful!
@@alexkuhn5188 or to get a warrent before searching peoples vehicles 😅
If the window is open, having your dog restrained is actually important.
A few years back, I was walking my dog, and a GSD in a passing car jumped out of the window to try to attack my dog.
The dog immediately realized he'd made a mistake, but he appeared to otherwise be fine. Speed limit on the road was 30, so +- 10mph for how fast the car was going at the time.
Omfg
"The dog immediately realized he'd made a mistake" ROTFL poor dog!
I was driving on the highway a few years ago and saw a dead pit Bull on the side of the road near the median. Looked like he jumped from a moving car at highway speeds.
@@Illyria1217 Lol, do you have x-ray and diagnostic vision?
Dog may have been hit by a car. I think a dog owner would probably retrieve the corpse.
@@Cheepchipsable A lot of dog owners are not very decent to their dogs. Imagine pulling over on a busy road to retrieve your dead dog (if you even realize it had jumped out). There's speeding traffic, and there are people taking videos and posting them online and jumping to conclusions. That's just the first hazard. Then there's disposal of the body. It costs money to do it right. Many places don't allow burial of dead pets on your own property, especially in the city. Then you have to explain to the vet why you're showing up with a dead dog. Nope, it's easier to just leave the dog there and go get another one.
The world is going insane . Every single minute of every day.
It's Monkey Island out here boiz.
Honestly, I've seen dogs that don't behave well in cars that will jump on the driver. Whether any seatbelts have been tested for dog safety or not, a dog jumping on your lap while driving is a safety issue.
Yes, being a poor pet owner and deciding to drive with your ill-behaved pet is hazardous XD
Yeah, Steve. I got reported for an accident that never happened and the cop put it on my record. I never knew about it until my insurance went up. When my insurance went up I told my agent I had never had an accident in that location and had never seen a cop there. (It was in the lot of a local C Store that this supposedly happened.)
Agent had seen that before in this small town and somehow got it expunged. Rates went back down. Good Driver discount from Farmer’s Ins.
They had my signature on no document.
Cops do whatever they want to.
Here in Ontario I believe there was something passed whereas your dog must be in the back seat. I have a Smart car without a back seat so I presume that gives me an exemption from the law. Furthermore my boy loves hanging outside the window riding shotgun. My local police don't give me any trouble with it and I keep my dog safe by driving slowly. If I need to speed up I simply bump the window up and my dog sits in his seat. Police here are far too busy to deal with something as petty as a dog getting some fresh air enroute to the dog park. Always entertained by Lehto's Law! Thanks Steve
LOL. I get the driver's seat in my car. My cat owns the rest, from the dash board to the rear window.
My biggest problem with her in the car is getting her OUT of her car...
Ben still soaking up Awesomeness, in front of #71, Steve's LHS
Is there another 100$ on top of the blue /white truck on the lower shelf?
@@spottheborgcat6523 Congratulations, you have found the 100 Peso note, which technically is $100 Mexican 😁
There is also a 50 Peso and a Canadian $10 in the same bundle and some other non US currency scattered around in places you normally cannot see.
@@Bobs-Wrigles5555 Cool!
@@spottheborgcat6523 👍
There isn't an explicit law in my country that says dogs need to be in a seat belt. However, there is a law that says that cargo needs to be secured. Since pets are "goods" in the eyes of the law, they are cargo and thus need to be secured.
I've also read incident reports about single sided crashes where there was a small dog or cat unsecured in the vehicle. The animal was startled by something, freaked out and either hid underneath the pedals or jumped on the driver. It's a sad thing, but there really is a good, safety based, reason why animals in vehicles need to be properly secured.
Cargo is considered secured so long as it can't leave the vehicle,the purpose of that law is to prevent objects from falling from a vehicle in motion on a road,
Otherwise is it illegal to carry groceries in the backseat? I think not...
@@jaykoerner technically it is illegal to transport groceries in the back seat. Is any cop going to make an issue about it? No probably not, they have much better things to do.
Where exactly is that in the vehicle code in that state?
The same state that charges you with vehicular homicide when the victim was at fault? I am shocked 🤦♂️
I spent like 200 bucks trying to find a seatbelt that fits both my 95lb dog and my car. The car seatbelts are too short to go through the harnesses. I got a ruffwear one that has a longish strap in the back but it allows so much forward movement that it isn't useful. I have a Corolla, the back seat is small
My dog almost lost his leg to a sleepypod clickit. I took pictures and posted a review on amazon. The review got well hidden. This issue is common and there were reviewers blaming the fault on the dog.
I've been looking for a good dog helmet and knee pads for when we play fetch or for doggie play dates.
Don't forget about the athletic shoes, mouthguard, and "jewel protectors"!
My experience in NC is that although the tickets may have multiple charges on it, if one charge is thrown out, the entire ticket is thrown out. As I am not a lawyer, don't ask me what law provides this provision as I do not know if it is a law or part of the court's rules. This knowledge comes from my past experiences getting tickets.
Might be some truth there. I got five tickets in one day in NC. Same cop pulled me, told me to go strait home, then pulled me a second time. Real winner, he threatened to plant weed in my van. The court was less than impressed- five tickets seemed a bit excessive, so the whole thing was tossed. That cop was fired less than a year later, so maybe there’s a bit of poetic justice left in the world.
@@nightshadefern162 in your case, because of the record, it shows that it was all probably police harassment. What I'm talking about is when they put two different violations on the same ticket. It's because of the general policy of one of the violations being voided causes the entire ticket to be voided that you will tend to receive multiple tickets for multiple infractions during the same event.
@@KameraShy and that is why tickets in NC no longer indicate that the officer has reason to believe that you willfully violated the law.
I have seen pictures of The Civil Rights Lawyer's dog called "lawyer dog" but am unsure of his jurisdiction. (Don't know what bars he raised his leg upon.)
I see a lot of drivers around here driving with small dogs on their laps, usually little old ladies. That definitely needs to be cited as careless driving IMO
Wait , I thought in order for a ticket for an infraction the cop has to see it
cops can do whatever they want without consequence
He's not that smart. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There will be no reprimand this is highway robbery against those who dont have the luxury to fight in court
I think it depends on the laws of the state they are in. I mean they have arrested and convicted people for murder on just eye witness testimony before. Why not a ticket?
@@davidtherwhanger6795 As bad as it often is, eyewitness testimony is much better than the evidence here, if the person reporting the infraction never shows up to court to testify. At that point, the evidence would be hearsay, since we only have the cop saying that someone else told him that he saw the infraction.
For the last 20? years, we have harnessed our dogs while in a vehicle. Dog harness, heavy strapage - sometimes we've used climbing apparel (stops a person in a fall), and links into child safety seat attachment points. I also bought "safety knives" (for cutting seatbelt webbing) for both sides of the vehicles (glow in the dark BTW) to get them out in the event of a crash. And there are safety stickers on the windows.
My wife spent 25 years as a vet tech and has seen / repaired to many canine injuries to let ours "roam free". aka dog in the drivers lap that gets blasted by the air bags.
I remember on The Dukes of Hazzard when Rosco would leave the passenger seatbelt buckled in his police car and he'd tell his basset hound Flash to "buckle up for safety" and she'd stick her head behind the shoulder belt 🤣🤣🤣
It's a law in NJ. New Jersey statute 4:22-18 and 4:22-18. One is the law, the other spells out the penalties.
I remember some discussion about this somewhere where it was suggested this is about being in an accident, but more about when people lower windows for dogs. If the dog decides to jump out an open window, it can be hurt, or, cause accidents when other drivers try to avoid hitting it.
Officer has to see it, though, or else the person that does see it has to be the one to issue the ticket via the municipality/county with jurisdiction, or the state, and they have to go to court to testify to make it stick.
I recently saw a video of tourists in Yellowstone parked alongside the road to watch 2 large grizzly bears that came down close to the cars. They had 2 large dogs hanging out of their windows. I don't know if there are any laws about securing your dogs there, but I do know it's illegal to feed the bears.
Well presented. Thank you.
I saw a show when they TESTED DOG SEAT BELTS AND THEY FAILED MISERABLY ! I believe some actually made things worse.
This was years ago. Idk if things have changed
That's my concern. There are only a few seatbelts that have been crash tested. There are a lot of potential safety issues for the dog and the humans in the car. Also i did have my dog in her seatbelt once and she stepped on the release button. She's gotten twisted in the seatbelt as well which is obviously distracting. It's way more complex than people act like it is, it's a serious engineering issue
I'm not listening
I saw the same program about testing pet harnesses and seat restraints. In some cases I noticed when the animal lurched forward too fast, the buckle would fail or not stay locked. unlike the belts for humans they were not strapped securely and allowed to travel contributing to a lot of the instances. Also I thought the animal would be trapped in the vehicle in the worst case scenario putting it in just as much jeopardy as if not secured and allowed to escape, and possibly seeking help.
My dog almost lost his leg to a sleepypod clickit. I took pictures and posted a review on amazon. The review got well hidden. This issue is common and there were reviewers blaming the fault on the dog.
Did they fail to protect dogs from crash injuries or to prevent the dog from causing crashes by interfering with the driver?
Steve you have the best content on TH-cam thank you so much.
Can the police issue a ticket based on someone "seeing" something and reporting it to the police? I doubt that very much (even in LA).
Meet your new partner. 🤣🤣👍
It really depends on the State and what their laws say I guess. I mean a cop can arrest some one for a crime and the court convict them of a crime all on the say so of another. Why not a ticket for a much lower crime?
Probably not for an anonymous complaint, but I've been asked if I wanted to press charges after calling about erratic drivers when the cops didn't see it. How much my testimony would matter compared to a cop's is another matter.
@@davidtherwhanger6795 Traffic violations are not crimes. There are crimes related to the operation of a vehicle and they are listed in the penal code of each state separate from the vehicle traffic law. In the case of a crime the witness will sign a sworn statement and appear in court to testify as to what they saw. The witness is subject to cross examination by the defense because witness testimony is not always reliable. 02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
@@davidtherwhanger6795 Only with a sworn statement. An anonymous complaint is not enough to arrest someone.
The police officer issuing the citation must be a witness by the issuing officer!
If I had Ol Ben it would a 2nd awesome day today. Either way the ticket(s) should be voided as the officer did not witness the violation(s) and it simply can not be legal to issue citations based on hearsay.
As someone else pointed out, double hearsay. Someone called the station, and the dispatcher called the trooper.
I recently talked to my vet about this when my Basset went from the back seat to the front dash of my Buick while avoiding a woman who ran a stop sign. The vet confirmed, per my own research, that there is currently nothing out there that makes a dog safer, or more at risk. In other words, the harnesses for dogs, based on data, do not save dogs lives. To your point, it can prevent some injuries in a minor accident, but no data to confirm. A Basset is around 65 lbs full grown. A dog that size, per my vet, is better off with one of the screens designed to catch the animal, or in my car's case, a soft nylon net that fits between the front seats. The dude is 100% right. Good for him fighting this.
Driver in court: I’d like to face my accuser. Who claims they witnessed my driving?
Judge: Officer, did you witness the erratic driving, and the dog without a belt?
Cop: no, your honor.
Judge: case dismissed.
Judge: Officer, did you witness the erratic driving, and the dog without a belt?
Cop: I was reasonably certain the driver had committed the actions for which I cited him due to my years of experience.
Judge: Sustained. Defendant is ordered to pay the fine and court costs. NEXT!!
Fixed that for ya. 😁
See here in FL when you get a citation it specifies the specific code that was violated. This prevents nonsense charges
My parrot sits on my shoulder when I drive, they don't make a seatbelt for him. Just a tyrant cop on a rampage.
What kind of parrot?
The bird kind
@@thatsounditmakes9177 Ooh. Those are beautiful
But he really is a pretty boy.
@@shabless81 he is an African Grey Congo Parrot. Kind of hard to see but in my profile picture he is on a rope I string around my sailboat for him to get around.
in Alaska they had basic speed tickets, in officers opinion your speed was not consistent with road conditions, yea it was just an excuse to bring in more money. many of the tickets were for people from out of state driving too slow in the winter.
I just did a search of Louisiana citizen arrest statue and apparently Louisiana is one of a few states that require the offense be a felony for a citizen arrest, which brings into question how the officer was able to cite the driver without actually seeing the offense.
Cop doesn't know the law. Never saw that one coming huh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
@@1982nsu Depends on the state. In California there is a check box that states the violation was not committed in the officer's presence. That is because the citations are also used for criminal (non-traffic) offenses and/or citizen's arrest complaints. When I worked for both Los Angeles Co Sheriff and later Santa Cruz PD, you had the arresting party sign the citation in the box "Name Arresting citing officer" and the officer signed a box "Name of Arresting officer if different from citing officer". While this was not a legal requirement, it was for liability reasons as for years until it changed, CA had a law mandating the police accept all citizen arrests.
@@TheOnespeedbiker The subject of Steve Lehto's video was about a "traffic" violation that was NOT witnessed by the officer. There was no mention or allegation of a "crime." However, the legal threshold for police to "arrest" in a criminal situation is called "Probable Cause To Believe" which comes from the U.S. Constitution and it applies to ALL states. You need to do a little more research. Let me know when you get to the level of my 21 years of service and experience.
@@1982nsu Lol I am retired Law Enforcement with 26 Years, including accident investigation and reconstruction and was a detective and detective supervisor. I have already responded elsewhere indicting I believe this arrest was illegal (and in Louisiana a traffic infraction is an arrest followed by a field release with a promise to appear; that is what a citation is). The sole purpose of my post was to address the citation verbage you mentioned and nothing else.
But while we're on the subject, there is nothing in the US Constitution that defines or grants power to state law enforcement officers to make arrests. Those powers however are defined (but not granted) by the SCOTUS in People vs Perry, which defines two level thresholds for police officers making arrests. The first is reasonable cause, (reasonable suspicion the a felony has occurred) and the second is probable cause to believe a criminal offense has occurred.
On the subject of traffic infractions, unless a jurisdiction has passed laws changing Traffic Infractions to civil violations, all traffic violations are by definition criminal. There are still many states that allow peace officers to arrest and book for Traffic infractions, which by definition makes them criminal offenses. One way to determines if traffic infractions are civil or criminal is whether a fail to appear results in a warrant for arrest; if so then the traffic infractions are criminal and not civil. In CA, traffic infraction are treated solely as civil violations, which means no possible arrest or jail time for not paying the fine or an FTA ; IOW a FTA will not result in a warrant for their arrest, only a letter to appear. Previously this could result in a driver's license suspension, but that was done away with by the CA Legislature in an omnibus bill in 2017. So now all they can do is hold your vehicle registration hostage until you pay your fines and fees.
It's all hearsay.
California, Arizona, and Ohio, I've never buckled a single dog, in a car, van or truck. This is ridiculous.
Maine's Law is specific to an "Open Vehicle" which according to Maine Law is a vehicle like a pick up with an open portion, or a convertible. It says the dog must be secured, but doesn't indicate a specific way to be secured, such as a seatbelt. Maine does have another law called "Distractive Driving" which leaves many things open for interpretation. Eating, using the phone (The phone has a separate infraction), reading, putting on makeup, drinking coffee, so a dog not secured could possibly be included. I personally have a seatbelt for my dog. Dog wears a harness and has a belt that attaches on one side to the harness and the other end attaches to the receiver end of the seatbelt. Maine's citations indicate which law was violated on the citation. (I'm not an attorney, but a professional driver and am quite familiar with Maine's driving laws) I enjoy your video's and some have caused me to look up what Maine's laws were on that particular subject. Keep up the great videos.
I've been to a number of accidents where the animal was a distraction in the lap of the driver. I've seen medium and large breed dogs faces out the drivers window of many vehicles.
Then we have pickup trucks with untethered dogs in the truck bed.
Poor, poor animals and I'm talking of the 4 legged ones.
All that's true but there still has to be a law in order for them to write a ticket.
It's the 3 legged ones I feel bad for.
I live in Pennsylvania.So annoying to see people walking dogs in a park without a leash.Signs clearly stating they must be on leashes at all times.They continue to do it so what can be done about it ? I no longer walk my dog where people keep doing it.Question 2 # I have invisible fence for my dog on property,private property signs are posted down the slope of our property.I have 2 beware of dog signs facing both directions in our 3/4 acre lot in the front.If a trespasser comes in my yard and gets bit am I liable ?
Crazy how writing traffic tickets tends to devolve into a mundane and imprecise activity for police. Just write a citation, see if the alleged charges stick, or otherwise go uncontested, because fighting traffic tickets often go unchallenged.
In 1974, I got a parking ticket for parking too far from the curb at the LAX departure drive up. Too far meant "18 inches from curb to tire". My rear tire measured 14" (I carried a tape measure). My front tire was touching the curb. The ticket was $10 at the time. I paid it because it would have cost me far more to fight it, both in time and money.
They are well aware of this conundrum...
edit: But then again, getting a ticket can be a good thing too. In that same general time period, right after the new Hwy 5 opened in California and the speed limit was 70 mph with 72 miles between gas stations at the time, I drove down from Sacramento to Orange county with my then fiancé. My 67 Mustang V8 was doing great, but I didn't have a working speedometer.
So we're cruising along at what I thought was about 85 in a 70 zone, thinking the ret of traffic was going a bit slowly. Looked in the mirror, and way, way back there was a CHP Polaris so I slowed down to avoid being tagged. Apparently I slowed down to around 85...
I get pulled over over course and the comes the dreaded question, "Do you know how fast you were going?"
"Um, no officer, my speedometer is broken"
"I've been chasing you for 14 miles. I was about to call for a roadblock. I was doing 115 and you were walking away from me..."
I think the shock on my face registered with him. He was nice and wrote it up for 80 in a 70 without charging reckless driving, an automatic for anything over 20 mph of the limit.
He probably saved our lives. Traveling at those speeds for great distance on the biased ply tires of the day was chancing a blow out due to heat fatigue...
@@cdc3 you didn't pay the airport ticket, because it would cost too much time and money to fight... That probably goes the other way too. Why would the airport police waste time and money to defend a petty $10 ticket? The citizen if found guilty is only having to pay $10... So doing silly time wasting things like asking for a jury trial is not worth the effort for a prosecutor. It works both ways.
how many accidents are caused by loose animals in a vehicle?
Would be interesting to know the reasoning for those few states having the dog seatbelt law. With animals, the seatbelt idea can be more risky since they wouldn't know how to buckle or unbuckle them if there were a crash and immediate need to get away from the vehicle, such as if it caught on fire etc.
I think the term seatbelt is being used freely here. Most if not all the laws use the term restraint. The outside the vehicle (pick-up bed) laws are to protect the animal, but the inside the vehicle restraint laws are not to protect the animal, rather they are to stop the animal from interfering with the driver.
I suspect any law wouldn't be for the benefit of the animal(s), but rather to stop people being injured by an unrestrained alsation.
Or they might need to get out in a hurry to run away from the aliens in the UFO that caused the crash. Because there's no way that old myth that it's much safer to wear a seat belt despite the rare instances where they cause problems could be right.
Yeah it's to prevent the dog from distracting or interfering with the driver, not for the dog's safety.
@@mandolinic People are their own worst enemy most of the time. Common sense plays differently among pet owners which is sad. They think its being mean to a pet to get them through obedience classes but its really the person who fails most of the time.
As of July 2021, there were no laws regarding securement of dogs while traveling in a motor vehicle in the State of Louisiana, only leaving pets in an unattended vehicle...similar to leaving children in cars unattended. Most of the States that require crating or harnessed are in the extreme N.E. i.e. Maine, N.H., Mass., R.I., C.T. and the 6th State are M.N.
so someone called in saying he was recklessly driving and with no evidence to get the ticket? how is that legal?
02:30 I'm just an old school retired cop. Unless something has radically changed, the space on every citation where the officer signs it clearly states "I (officer's signature) observed the above violation being committed by the above described vehicle operator." SMH!
It's not legal. It won't stick in court. The cop is banking on the recipient just paying the citation. If you think cops act according to the law, you need to check out ChandTy Audits, Long Island Audit, Press Hard and countless others. This recipient nerds to take that ticket as evidence of the cop committing perjury and file a complaint (not with Internal Affairs).
In a police state, anything the police does is legal.
That place was always a speed trap on the interstate that ran by Washington. Always knew to drive the speed limit when approaching the exit to trhat town. They were finally told to stop that racket out.
Oregon law requires a dog in an open vehicle to be secured in such a way it cannot fall or jump out of the vehicle. and I've seen a dog hanging by its neck on the outside of a pickup bed trying to claw its way back into the pickup bed while the driver appeared completely oblivious to the dog's distress. - which means the driver obviously did not use his mirrors, or he would have SEEN the dog hanging on the driver's side of the pickup.
Oh my, how awful‼️
@ Lehto’s law… Thank you for the dog story. 🤔❤🇺🇸
I was in a traffic accident and had to get my car towed home the tow truck driver would not let me put my dog in the tow truck so I asked the police officer if I could put him in my car while being towed. He said yes.
_I've_ ridden in the towed vehicle, once.
its louisana, so i have to ask, was the dog driving?
The deciding factor on this question was, for me, when I witnessed an accident. The two humans had to be pulled out, but, they didn't have the time to unhook the dog in the back, after the car burst in to flame.
I will hear that dog's cries as it burned for the rest of my life.
If the dog had been free, it might have been hurt - but it had a better chance of being saved.
My dog almost lost his leg to a sleepypod clickit. I took pictures and posted a review on amazon. The review got well hidden. This issue is common and there were reviewers blaming the fault on the dog.
Or the dog could have been thrown against the front seats during the accident, killing the human sitting there.
@@HenryLoenwind Or the dog's body could have provided padding and thus protected the human from severe injuries, and the combination of human and dog was the factor that saved BOTH of their lives? Who knows?
This is in Washington, LA where I live!
lolz
Congradolences!
Ben is still leaning against the Daytona 71 car
Not exactly a contest this morning 😉
Outstanding speed and accuracy. Even Bob will be astonished.
@@SuperFrank6666 and I don't even know how to type. 😁
I live in NC and there is an electronic sign that sometimes reads all passengers must wear a seatbelt. I always have my dog's harness clipped to a seat belt. But I often wonder if the law applies to dogs.
The man in the van who hit Stephen King as he was jogging was distracted by his two dogs fighting in the back.
In California, dogs have to be either tethered or in a crate if they are i the back of a truck. There is no requirement for restraint for dogs within the passenger compartment.
Many, many times I see drivers with their 'support' dogs with there heads out the window sitting on the driver's lap.
Lock them up!
and that IS careless driving.
Not having heard this yet, I have to wonder if this is a state (or locality) that requires pets be restrained when riding in a vehicle. I've been told such an ordinance does exist in Nashvile TN but don't know how common this is.
Since a Dog is Property... and my bag of groceries is property... I guess my bag of groceries has to be wearing a seat belt too. Thank God I have 10 Cup holders!
Do they make seat belts for Cats? We need to have the government do a Study on all the things that must have seat belts!
Public Busses and most School Busses don't have seat belts.
Amtrak does not have seat belts.
Cops don't have to wear seat belts. (They are Exempt from the Laws)
Tractors don't have seat belts.
Motorcycles don't have seat belts.
Snowmobiles don't have seat belts.
Boats don't have seat belts.
Jet skis don't have seat belts.
Surfboards, bicycles, skateboards, etc. don't have seat belts.
Escalators don't have seat belts.
OMG... we are all going to Die if the Government masters don't protect us from ourselves! Just to teach us a lesson... they will Steal your Money and throw you in a Cage!
You are just as likely to Die at the hands of the Government!
Had a passenger who had his Labrador Retriever "along with" in the cab of my full-size "Hamerican" truck. Dog ended up on the driver's side, and I Blew Right Through a stoplight while I was trying to get the animal out from Under my boots. (Lucky for all of us, that the driver who Had the Right of Way was a Careful Operator, and did not hit the accelerator, as soon as he {she?} saw Green.)
Here in Australia it is actually a law to have a dog restrained in the car
Does that law specify HOW the dog is to be restrained?
Does the government certify specific restraints or restraint methods?
I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, I am honestly asking.
Seen a video a few years back on the TV 😅 they were testing dog harnesses for cars well if I remember right they all broke around 30 miles per hour. Just think you fall at 30 feet per second square fall 6 feet with a harness tied with a rope. When you stop there is around 5000 pounds of force
here in Australia you can definately be fined for unsecured dog infact here you get ticketed if you even remotely look like your having fun.
@chuck 8094 they don't deserve seatbelts during a sudden stop for that
I love Australia but damn you guys have some dumbass laws, even worse then here in the US
What's the air-speed of an unladen St Bernard?
African or European?
Vehicle speed minus a little for the windshield. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@vorpalalice82
I don't know that!........aaeeiiiii
My dog always wears a seatbelt. I have a heavy metal carabiner that I use to clip the center rear seatbelt to his harness. I'm not sure it will save his life in an accident, but at 120 lbs, it might save someone else's life if it stops him from flying through the air in an accident.
That is the concern I have . The dog at any weight is potential projectile.
Decades ago (before harnesses were common), I had a cop at a roadblock half jokingly tell me that I needed to buckle up the dog that was in my girlfriend's lap. I told him if he would show me how, I'd be happy to do so. He smirked and told me to move along.
BTW, I have driven with a 150lb St. Bernard mix in my lap for short distances. (read, until I could safely pull over and get him to go in the other seat.)
It was Snoop Dogg lol
I've had seat belts for my dogs for 25+ years. It's a large ballistic padded nylon vest that goes on the dog, that is held in place by a lanyard that attaches to the LATCH connector (for baby seats). The point of the seat belt is to prevent the dog from flying across the car, which would definitely cause more injuries than the bruises or broken ribs caused by the vest, in the event of an accident. In Pennsylvania, there is no law requiring seat belts for a dog.
Do you mind sharing a brand name? I've only seen harnesses that have webbing loops to run the seatbelt through. They don't work in my car but I have the LATCH attachments
As soon as the cop said, "your dog needs a seatbelt" I've said I plead the 5th and ask to be arrested for failure to ID, then I'd sue.
That's exactly what he didn't want to do, because his dog would be taken away from him, and who knows how they would treat his pet. (Timestamp: 3:32 )
You can't. Driving is a PRIVILEDGE, not a right, and if you refuse to provide ID, then that privilege is revoked.
Officer, the dog is an adult dog. please write the citation to the dog, and I'm sure he'll pay the fine from his own income.
@@maxsdad538 wrong they can't demand ID if you're not suspected of a crime or violation, since dogs dont need a seatbelt it's an illegal stop. Learn ID laws and you won't look like a moron online.
@@MonkeyJedi99 yes, ask him to get the dogs info.
In the U.K. a dog has to be 'suitably restrained' which can be a harness or screen/cage. It’s not so much about keeping the dog safe but keeping the occupants safe from a flying object which cause more damage than hitting the windscreen.
1. Sue the cop in small claims court for wasting your time.
2. Sue the cop for “False-Ticket”.
3. Sue the Police Department for hiring the cop.
4. Sue the City for mismanaging their PD.
I'd sue everybody.
My dogs like the back seat. They sleep on blankets. In the trucks and car
Here that is very normal to get ticket for not securing your dog in the car. Its not to protect the dog, but everybody else in the car incase of a crash or hard stop.
Steve, it can be that a dog is considered cargo in that state ;-)
You can get targeted for not securing cargo that's inside your car? It's technically secure already just by being inside the car.
That was my thought. Although I was also thinking that if the ticket was issued based on a tip from a third party, the ticket better get thrown out if that third party doesn't show up to court to offer his testimony.
@@bobbun9630, exactly. We will be in a very dire situation in this country if a random person can call the cops, claim they saw you commit a traffic violation and you get ticketed purely on heresay.
I can see that view. Being a retired long haul driver, I have seen to many "oops, it fell off" on the side or in a lane of the road. I have seen very expensive furniture, high dollar equipment and of course mattresses and plywood that have been actual or potential causes of accidents ... so far, no dogs.
They are considered property by the law, so my dog, under the law is similar to some bread...
Just wait, Next we will have to secure grocery bags or els get a ticket.
Sounds crazy.
But that exactly what happens when they get involved. They push it as far as it can possibly go.
They will say your gallon of milk can break on the windshield, coating it in milk making it difficult to see so then you could crash.
See it's a hazzard now you have to lock up your groceries....
I hate it. But I can see it coming.
In New Jersey, pets in moving vehicles must ride in a carrier or wear a seat belt. Failure to comply can result in a fine of $250 to $1000. My dog is in my car a lot. I do not comply.
Nothing new about crooked cops making up laws and ignoring the was when it's convenient for them for their friends or family. From the president down to ticket cops. The whole system needs a good cleaning.
Qualified immunity because he didn't know the law. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lamp posts, tree limbs and stout lengths of rope ought to straighten things out right quick.
@@contradictorycrow4327 if you have a viable solution you've been sitting on, please, do tell?
@@contradictorycrow4327 not with crooked cops or people like u.
If the cop did not see the driver but acted on a report would that not be considered hear say?