Very insightful explanation by Gary Neville. Best memory of Juan Sebastián Verón for me was when United did a 2003 preseason tour of the USA and in the game against Juventus. Seba produced a wonderful flick on the outside of his right foot and amongst so many players in the box to find the prolific Ruud van Nistelrooy who took it on his chest and volleyed it into the back of the net. Seba's ingenious ability to track the run, produce an amazing flick onto RvN's chest, and on the outside foot with so many players in the box to find RvN was a Seba highlight for me. Here is that clip of that classic assist from Seba and the devastating finish by RvN seen here th-cam.com/video/qp2Tzw3OHa8/w-d-xo.html and in better quality here at 7:26 th-cam.com/video/I8SlCh2IVIk/w-d-xo.html. Breathtaking, magnificent, the sheer skill was truly outrageous.
@decimustv4257 i believe you men there are some more talented football players out there than some pros but you cant handle the candle even in your city club you know what i mean? Verón at least make his city club champion thats some
Anyone who understands football and who watched Veron during that time, could tell he was a tremendous player. I think Neville is spot on with his assessment. It was clueless fans who thought he was overrated. #GlazersOutNow
In Argentina the call him la brujita (The witch). He was one of the greatest midfielders in that era. Sampdoria, Parma, Lazio, Inter, ManU, and Chelsea. Vision and charisma.
Veron was an excellent footballer with excellent composure on the ball and lots of experience with Argentina's national team so it is bollocks to suggest he was overwhelmed by being at United. To add to what Gary said, I think another key factor for Veron not adapting that well was that Keane was fading off at that point and couldn't provide the midfield protection that Veron needed to work his magic. Same too for the back four. I believe at that time they had Rio and Mikel and it didn't stabilize until Gabriel Heinze, Vidic and Evra came in much later, so whenever Veron's high-risk passes got intercepted there was always a real risk it could lead to a goal. The pace and style of the PL probably also played a part but Veron's true value was in the Champions League. He was fantastic and his injury coincided with United getting knocked out of the competition in one of this final years at United.
Chelsea scoring an blatant offside goal by drogba to win 2-1 at old trafford and go top with only a few games left in 2010 took four in a row off united.
Exciting times with ruud and veron coming and remember thinking we'd be more dominant in Europe but didn't work out even though on paper it should have.
should get more videos on players like you did on Cantona ,Robson, Scholes like see a Vidic video since don't think you've not done a video on defender yet i think
Couldn't agree more. Veron was possibly the best player in that midfield but Fergie couldn't work the system to get the best out of him. One of the boss' few failures. Imagine Veron dictating in midfield now! He could be the de Jong type ten Hag is craving
Look how long it took to transition to that 433, and that was arguably our best team/squad ever. That's why we HAVE to give Erik Ten Hag time to implement his style
@@RobertD-u3q It's possession based football, which is why it's proving so difficult as many of the players lack the composure required. Some will adjust, some won't. Time will tell as to who remains
I was in a bar in Portugal and Denis law and an entourage were there, I asked Denis if we had got Veron, he said hang on, spoke to a lady there then said to me yes we have but it hasn't come out yet.
Whether United fans want to admit or accept it, the reason Veron ultimately didn’t work out was Ferguson. Ferguson was never a coach. He was old Skool manager. He didn’t know what to do with such a modern technically gifted South American. Anyone that remembers Veron in Italy before he came to united knows his true quality. Yes, Italy was a slower league with slightly more time on the ball but Veron didn’t need time to know what to do. He could dictate any pace. You don’t buy a player like Veron with that mystical element who can float around the pitch like a Ballet dancer and tell him he needs to play in a certain structure. At Lazio he was told to play with freedom. And it worked with devastating effect.
I'm a Lazio fan who watched his whole career in Serie A and I don't agree with your analysis. Veron at United was like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole in my opinion. He came in for a huge transfer fee (at the time) and Ferguson clearly intended on making him a key player at the club. So the suggestion that Ferguson essentially stifled Veron's "freedom" isn't very realistic. He simply wasn't a good fit for that system and with that particular side and those particular players. And even after he left, Ferguson never really used a midfielder like him at Utd. Even when they eventually moved to 4-3-3. It was an older Scholes playing alongside water carriers like Keane, Carrick, Fletcher, Hargraves. He never really. Man Utd's midfield was always about intensity and winning the ball back, then moving it quickly to the wings or the forwards. They never really had creative highly technical dancer types in there. They didn't even use #10s either. If they did, it would be a technical striker like Cantona or Rooney dropping deep. Imo it just wasn't meant to be. I don't think Veron was a great fit for the PL in that era, the only English club I think he would have done well at during that era is Arsenal. Other than that he was much more suited for Serie A. Or La Liga with Barcelona or RM, or even at Valencia or Deportiva La Coruna at the time. Still, during his Lazio and Parma days he was an absolute gem of a player. This was the time when Zidane was at his peak and played in Serie A and Veron was arguably better. Some of the touches and goals he world score would make Zidane blush.
Gary said it was difficult to change systems, a struggle during SAF time. You want Ten Hag to change system and you expect overnight success esp with this crop of players.
Veron wasn't as bad as is made out he was absolutely superb in Europe. The problem was stam leaving and blanc coming in utd were vulnerable at the back . If stam would off stayed it would of been a much more balanced team .
At the moment, United have no playing style/structure. After 5 or 6 completely different managers, we have no identity. Ten Hag was brought in to give us one, but it appears he has been allowed to give up on that idea, leaving us with even more buy/sell headaches. When we crash out of the CL and it becomes impossible to qualify for the CL, Sir Jim will get an itchy trigger finger. It’s up to him to plan for that event. As a successful business man with experience of running football clubs, in the lead up to that point, he should ensure the club decide what the f*** they want to be, so when the time comes they can appoint the necessary staff to build the new identity; football director, scouting department, manager and coaches, and give those that don’t fit the new identity a ‘thanks very much, but it’s time to leave now’ conversation. Instead of this wishy washy nobody knows what’s going on bullshit we see at the moment. This club lacks conviction, and that’s on the Glazers, as it’s their responsibility to ensure those that operationally run the club, are capable of doing so, especially at one of the world’s biggest sporting institutions. I think Sir Jim will know this, and he will be savvy and ruthless enough to make the changes.
@@alexcastillo1384 I get what you mean, it would be better if the Glazers just go, but the main problem is that the Glazers have given the footballing reins to incapable people who have squandered a billion of the club’s revenue. There are clubs that are successful with multiple major shareholders. The Glazers handicap us financially, but if they had appointed capable football people to run the football side of things, we would be in a much better position. I think having Ratcliffe in charge of football matters is a major step in the right direction.
Always remember Fergie saying about a goal that Veron scored on the training ground was one of the greatest goals he’d ever seen. He was wasted at United and should have signed for a European team
Was fortunate to see him play 2 of his finest games in a united shirt, away v Juventus and away v Olympiakos. Juve fans were not happy after an hour and losing 3-0 so started throwing their seats at us. 😅 Olympiakos threw lighters, eggs and other stuff 🤣 it was mad 😂
He was there at the wrong time for him. A far better player than what came after that....carrick n fletcher played a lot for a lot of years, he was better than those. Obviously better than any of the dross signed in the last 15 years!
I respect Gary's opinion, but justifying Veron's poor performances to a change of formation is ridiculous. These were some of the best players in their positions in world football. Its not like we were putting Veron in the Goalkeeper position. He played in his favored position alongside world-class players in a team that just came off winning the CL & multiple PL trophies. End of the day, despite his natural talent, his form was too inconsistent, especially in the PL. The fact Chelsea payed us what was 16mil+ for him showed what Fergie thought of his performances, and they certainly didn't improve upon leaving us. It makes me sad to think about actually, because i loved watching him play, he had a certain elegance and flair that made people stand up in their seats, it was that passing & shooting technique (he had a tendency to score some beautiful goals because of this) that made me love him so much.
I think it may have worked a bit better if scholes was behind him in Cm and veron got a more free CAM role… his story is similar to pogbas, except pogba played in a crap team.
@@effkay3691 I don't understand what that means. 4-4-2 was extremely effective for a long time (Arsenal went a season unbeaten and played incredible football using it) but United had moved away from that formation years before those finals in '09 and '11. Winning 2 UCLs and reaching the final twice within a 12 year window is impressive by any standards. I refer back to my comment about the strength of opposition to account for it being "only" 2 overall victories
let us know your memories of Juan Sebastian Veron & any other comments below, thanks for watching.
Very insightful explanation by Gary Neville. Best memory of Juan Sebastián Verón for me was when United did a 2003 preseason tour of the USA and in the game against Juventus. Seba produced a wonderful flick on the outside of his right foot and amongst so many players in the box to find the prolific Ruud van Nistelrooy who took it on his chest and volleyed it into the back of the net. Seba's ingenious ability to track the run, produce an amazing flick onto RvN's chest, and on the outside foot with so many players in the box to find RvN was a Seba highlight for me. Here is that clip of that classic assist from Seba and the devastating finish by RvN seen here th-cam.com/video/qp2Tzw3OHa8/w-d-xo.html and in better quality here at 7:26 th-cam.com/video/I8SlCh2IVIk/w-d-xo.html. Breathtaking, magnificent, the sheer skill was truly outrageous.
World class player....like nev said it was a system struggle that let him down
Veron was a brilliant passer
Best passer of the ball was Pat Crerand 😉👍🏻
@decimustv4257😪
@decimustv4257 i believe you men there are some more talented football players out there than some pros but you cant handle the candle even in your city club you know what i mean? Verón at least make his city club champion thats some
Anyone who understands football and who watched Veron during that time, could tell he was a tremendous player. I think Neville is spot on with his assessment. It was clueless fans who thought he was overrated. #GlazersOutNow
In Argentina the call him la brujita (The witch). He was one of the greatest midfielders in that era. Sampdoria, Parma, Lazio, Inter, ManU, and Chelsea. Vision and charisma.
Should have kept Scholes next to Keano and played Veron in behind Van Nistelrooy
Had the pleasure of seeing him when i worked in the stadium ('02-'03 season). Technically superb
I liked veron, I remember the Tottenham game when we were 3-0 down at half time and he scored the goal to put us 4-3 up great memories
Great days at United!👹
Such a shame we couldn't see the best of Seba. Wonderful technique
Excellent interview. I have wondered why Veron didn't work out. Very classy move on Gary Nevilles part.
I loved Veron, what a player. ❤
Superb footballer similarly to crespo at Chelsea just didn't fit in that well with the Premier league and the club. But there was moments of class.
Still glad he did his bit for Utd. An amazing player with great technique
He was good in Europe .. more time less physical
Great explanation by Gary.
We could do with a Veron in our current team right now.
I'd say he's past it 😊
@@deathbystereo- lol
mctominay is just as good if not better
@@shutup2751lol good one!
@@shutup2751 lmfaoooo
I almost cried with joy when we signed Veron. My prayers had been answered.
Veron was an excellent footballer with excellent composure on the ball and lots of experience with Argentina's national team so it is bollocks to suggest he was overwhelmed by being at United. To add to what Gary said, I think another key factor for Veron not adapting that well was that Keane was fading off at that point and couldn't provide the midfield protection that Veron needed to work his magic. Same too for the back four. I believe at that time they had Rio and Mikel and it didn't stabilize until Gabriel Heinze, Vidic and Evra came in much later, so whenever Veron's high-risk passes got intercepted there was always a real risk it could lead to a goal. The pace and style of the PL probably also played a part but Veron's true value was in the Champions League. He was fantastic and his injury coincided with United getting knocked out of the competition in one of this final years at United.
I was so excited to see veron hugely disappointed he was never the same again
Selling Jaap, Fergie discussing retirement and moving to three CMs cost us the league in 2002. We could have done four in a row otherwise.
Chelsea scoring an blatant offside goal by drogba to win 2-1 at old trafford and go top with only a few games left in 2010 took four in a row off united.
Exciting times with ruud and veron coming and remember thinking we'd be more dominant in Europe but didn't work out even though on paper it should have.
Fantastic player
A good explanation by Gary
Verón was one of most the technically gifted players I'd seen.😲
One pre match he Beckham and Scholes were spraying passes ⚽ to each other. 🙌🏾
Veron was absolute class. The style of the premier league just wasnt ready for him. He would fit straight in now
Used to love watching him and becks pinging 50 yard passes to each other pre game.
should get more videos on players like you did on Cantona ,Robson, Scholes like see a Vidic video since don't think you've not done a video on defender yet i think
Couldn't agree more. Veron was possibly the best player in that midfield but Fergie couldn't work the system to get the best out of him. One of the boss' few failures. Imagine Veron dictating in midfield now! He could be the de Jong type ten Hag is craving
Class player
Look how long it took to transition to that 433, and that was arguably our best team/squad ever. That's why we HAVE to give Erik Ten Hag time to implement his style
Ten hag already said that fans will never see his style at United because most of the players aren't technically good enough and too lazy.
@@StinkyMinge You'll have to point us out to where he said that, because there's only you that seems to have heard that
What is his style, at least we knew what fergie ws trying to do. What's eth trying to do
@@RobertD-u3q It's possession based football, which is why it's proving so difficult as many of the players lack the composure required. Some will adjust, some won't. Time will tell as to who remains
@summan41man What style ? Cannot score, battered by the phyiscal team. Negative goal difference says it all.
I was in a bar in Portugal and Denis law and an entourage were there, I asked Denis if we had got Veron, he said hang on, spoke to a lady there then said to me yes we have but it hasn't come out yet.
Whether United fans want to admit or accept it, the reason Veron ultimately didn’t work out was Ferguson. Ferguson was never a coach. He was old Skool manager. He didn’t know what to do with such a modern technically gifted South American. Anyone that remembers Veron in Italy before he came to united knows his true quality. Yes, Italy was a slower league with slightly more time on the ball but Veron didn’t need time to know what to do. He could dictate any pace. You don’t buy a player like Veron with that mystical element who can float around the pitch like a Ballet dancer and tell him he needs to play in a certain structure. At Lazio he was told to play with freedom. And it worked with devastating effect.
I'm a Lazio fan who watched his whole career in Serie A and I don't agree with your analysis.
Veron at United was like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole in my opinion. He came in for a huge transfer fee (at the time) and Ferguson clearly intended on making him a key player at the club. So the suggestion that Ferguson essentially stifled Veron's "freedom" isn't very realistic. He simply wasn't a good fit for that system and with that particular side and those particular players.
And even after he left, Ferguson never really used a midfielder like him at Utd. Even when they eventually moved to 4-3-3. It was an older Scholes playing alongside water carriers like Keane, Carrick, Fletcher, Hargraves. He never really. Man Utd's midfield was always about intensity and winning the ball back, then moving it quickly to the wings or the forwards. They never really had creative highly technical dancer types in there. They didn't even use #10s either. If they did, it would be a technical striker like Cantona or Rooney dropping deep.
Imo it just wasn't meant to be. I don't think Veron was a great fit for the PL in that era, the only English club I think he would have done well at during that era is Arsenal. Other than that he was much more suited for Serie A. Or La Liga with Barcelona or RM, or even at Valencia or Deportiva La Coruna at the time. Still, during his Lazio and Parma days he was an absolute gem of a player. This was the time when Zidane was at his peak and played in Serie A and Veron was arguably better. Some of the touches and goals he world score would make Zidane blush.
Gary said it was difficult to change systems, a struggle during SAF time. You want Ten Hag to change system and you expect overnight success esp with this crop of players.
Veron wasn't as bad as is made out he was absolutely superb in Europe. The problem was stam leaving and blanc coming in utd were vulnerable at the back . If stam would off stayed it would of been a much more balanced team .
Beckham took his spot great player veron still turning out good vids lads well done 👍👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
At the moment, United have no playing style/structure. After 5 or 6 completely different managers, we have no identity. Ten Hag was brought in to give us one, but it appears he has been allowed to give up on that idea, leaving us with even more buy/sell headaches. When we crash out of the CL and it becomes impossible to qualify for the CL, Sir Jim will get an itchy trigger finger. It’s up to him to plan for that event.
As a successful business man with experience of running football clubs, in the lead up to that point, he should ensure the club decide what the f*** they want to be, so when the time comes they can appoint the necessary staff to build the new identity; football director, scouting department, manager and coaches, and give those that don’t fit the new identity a ‘thanks very much, but it’s time to leave now’ conversation. Instead of this wishy washy nobody knows what’s going on bullshit we see at the moment. This club lacks conviction, and that’s on the Glazers, as it’s their responsibility to ensure those that operationally run the club, are capable of doing so, especially at one of the world’s biggest sporting institutions. I think Sir Jim will know this, and he will be savvy and ruthless enough to make the changes.
Naaa ain't happening bro you need full ownership to do that sorry to bring down your well spoken intentions about united
@@alexcastillo1384 I get what you mean, it would be better if the Glazers just go, but the main problem is that the Glazers have given the footballing reins to incapable people who have squandered a billion of the club’s revenue. There are clubs that are successful with multiple major shareholders.
The Glazers handicap us financially, but if they had appointed capable football people to run the football side of things, we would be in a much better position. I think having Ratcliffe in charge of football matters is a major step in the right direction.
@@Antidisestablishmentarianism99 well i hope you right bro but like saint Thomas said I don't Believe until i see it !
Never underestimate Ineos, a successful multi billion company, get in there and sort the mess out, it won't happen overnight though
First “ready made/name” world class Player United signed under Sir Alex..
Interestingly enough, those 'types' have never really worked for Utd. Ibrahimovic is the exception, but even then we sign them too late.
Prime veron would be our best player in current team he would fit right in with the system
Sir Alex didn’t know how to use him.
"We were a 4 4 2 club basically for 10 years"
What are we now basically with the players we have realistically?
Always remember Fergie saying about a goal that Veron scored on the training ground was one of the greatest goals he’d ever seen. He was wasted at United and should have signed for a European team
Such a shame for him as a player.....was truly world class.
When will Gary Neville explain why things did not work out for him at Valencia
Sebo was class in his second season for us and his performances did not get the credit he deserves! Was gutted when he left!
Was fortunate to see him play 2 of his finest games in a united shirt, away v Juventus and away v Olympiakos. Juve fans were not happy after an hour and losing 3-0 so started throwing their seats at us. 😅 Olympiakos threw lighters, eggs and other stuff 🤣 it was mad 😂
He was there at the wrong time for him. A far better player than what came after that....carrick n fletcher played a lot for a lot of years, he was better than those. Obviously better than any of the dross signed in the last 15 years!
I always thought Seba was so much better in European matches than EPL
Always said this about veron. Just didn't fit into the system at the time. Right player, wrong system
Did'nt work out at Chelsea for him either did it?
Him and Scholes in midfield had the potential to be brilliant shame it never worked out
I respect Gary's opinion, but justifying Veron's poor performances to a change of formation is ridiculous.
These were some of the best players in their positions in world football. Its not like we were putting Veron in the Goalkeeper position. He played in his favored position alongside world-class players in a team that just came off winning the CL & multiple PL trophies.
End of the day, despite his natural talent, his form was too inconsistent, especially in the PL. The fact Chelsea payed us what was 16mil+ for him showed what Fergie thought of his performances, and they certainly didn't improve upon leaving us.
It makes me sad to think about actually, because i loved watching him play, he had a certain elegance and flair that made people stand up in their seats, it was that passing & shooting technique (he had a tendency to score some beautiful goals because of this) that made me love him so much.
He was a defensive midfielder , should have replaced Roy Keane or played alongside as a double pivot instead of playing him more forward
Good thing about Fergie, he'd get rid of any signing that didn't work, not stick with him to try and prove a point....Re Ten Hag /Antony.....
Bring back 4-4-2
I think it may have worked a bit better if scholes was behind him in Cm and veron got a more free CAM role… his story is similar to pogbas, except pogba played in a crap team.
A goal against Everton and Spurs in the 3-5 that's it
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Certain players can't adapt to the Premier league and that's why it's the best league in the world
Why is Neville talking about tactics? Didn’t he fail as a manager?
Veron always tried to play the hollywood pass. The true greats say like zidane dont
Only would have worked in 5 man midfield, keane and schole were just better players
Neville explaining why SAF only won 2 CL whilst with United.
only? 😂
I think that has more to do with facing arguably the greatest team of all time in two UCL finals
@@deathbystereo- oh sorry, 2 in 25 years
@@granitesevan6243 true, but that team was great because it didn’t play 4-4-2 bush league football
@@effkay3691 I don't understand what that means. 4-4-2 was extremely effective for a long time (Arsenal went a season unbeaten and played incredible football using it) but United had moved away from that formation years before those finals in '09 and '11. Winning 2 UCLs and reaching the final twice within a 12 year window is impressive by any standards. I refer back to my comment about the strength of opposition to account for it being "only" 2 overall victories
he should have stayed in Italy ! his game is more suited to the Italian game 🤔
Veron was a bit out of place. He was English football's first mega money signing of a new era. Ahh. 4-4-2. Magic numbers.
Brilliant player but not suited to Prem
I think Gary Neville has a tendency to sexualise football players to easily