Guitar Leg Supports | Are They Worth It? | Performaxe and Dynarette

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  • @GiuseppeMottaJay
    @GiuseppeMottaJay 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Hi! I’m the guy who makes the Performaxe :)
    I just watched your video, and first of all, thank you for the review! You made several good points, and if it’s okay, I’d like to address a couple of things you mentioned:
    First, the black parts in the middle of the Performaxe are solid aluminum, milled from a block to ensure strength and longevity. The surface finish-brushing, anodization, and some finishing oil-gives it a unique texture to the touch, but it remains entirely aluminum.
    Many features of the Performaxe are overbuilt to ensure durability, and the rubber compound was chosen specifically for its low reactivity with paints and excellent durability. Over the past 5 years, it has proven reliable, with no replacements due to wear requested by any customer.
    Regarding your need for additional height: During testing, I experimented with various versions and sizes, and the current height was found to be the best fit for the majority of players. I understand that as you get accustomed to the increased height, you might prefer even more elevation, but I aimed for a balanced solution that would suit most people without feeling too extreme.
    Nevertheless I really appreciate your suggestions, and I will 100% take them into consideration for future developments.
    And of course: Thank you so much for mentioning my product in such a well made video!
    Cheers from Italy!

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hi Giuseppe! Amazing to hear from you. It means so much that you would take the time to watch the video, reply to some points, and consider the feedback. Love it when a company is engaging with the community!
      Thank you for clarifying that the performaxe is in fact all metal. It for sure feel like a tank in how sturdy it is, but I couldn't figure out the material with the unique finish on the aluminum you mentioned.
      And totally understandable that the product works for most instruments and certain compromises had to be made to end up with a final design. I hope I still got across in the video how much I love it. It's 90% perfect for me, but as always, I, like everyone, want the 100% ideal product, haha. The troubles of having a diverse customer base!
      I can't wait to see what you end up doing in the future as your product is already a great step in addressing the physical issues that surround the guitar.
      All the best from Canada!

    • @neurochannels
      @neurochannels 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great to see a reasonable interaction on the internet in 2024. Kudos to you both. Cool-looking product coming from a tall person learning guitar and struggling with ergonomics!

    • @adriansaunders5313
      @adriansaunders5313 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The thing that puts me off is I've seen online that people order them and then it takes a long time to arrive...

    • @GiuseppeMottaJay
      @GiuseppeMottaJay หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@adriansaunders5313 We did experience a peak in demand at the beginning of the year, and many customers pre-ordered the Performaxe, which required a waiting period of 4 to 12 weeks. Everyone was informed of the wait time for their specific pre-order at the point of purchase. We’re now back to direct ordering, so all units ship within 48 hours of ordering.

    • @adriansaunders5313
      @adriansaunders5313 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GiuseppeMottaJay Thanks for your reply Giuseppe. I have put in an order. I recently had a mini-stroke and lost some dexterity in my right hand. I'm now trying to re-train my right hand. I figure I need to be holding guitar at optimum position, I need all the help I can get!

  • @Mandy-ve7ok
    @Mandy-ve7ok 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Not sure if you're going to see this or if anyone added some comments about this already, when it comes to guitar supports slipping on your pants, I may provide some insight on getting more stability. As a female classical guitarist, when I played concerts, those darn soft black pants I wore always made any guitar support slip too much. First, I tried some neoprene rubber strips that you can find in any hardware store to put between the guitar support and the pant leg. However, it was too sticky on the guitar support itself, so I dug around online, and there's a specific type of grip strip, the one I purchased is on the website Stringsbymail, in the guitar accessories -> guitar supports section. It's a beautiful sleek black one so the grip strip was not as noticeable on black pants lol. What I did next was just because I still felt a bit of instability when wearing the black dress pants (Any other fabric was fine), so I used double sided tape to tape the neoprene rubber strip under the black one, and so the colorful strip with more grip was on my pants and the nicer side to rest the guitar support on it. Hope my silliness helps!
    P.S For those saying just use a footstool, it can be a cheaper alternative, although the Dynarette is affordable too, if someone has a weak lower back (Which a lot of musicians do) that tilt in your spine over time will create back pain. It gets worse with age. When I was studying classical guitar, we had some back pain specialists on speed dial xD but importantly, we've had masterclasses just on correcting postures for all instruments. Cheers!

  • @andrefludd
    @andrefludd หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yes! I'm glad someone is making videos about this topic! Also jealous that I have ZERO 8 string talent. Great video. We should do something together one day.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey Andre! Amazing to hear from you. I would love to do something together with you. I will keep that in mind as I think of video ideas but feel free to reach out if you have any!
      Also, hope the move is going well. Your setup looked awesome!

  • @NeuroApathy
    @NeuroApathy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I use a guitar cushion placed upon a guitar stand, that way no extra pressure is on my back/hips and its quite stable
    Edit: guitar stand is placed upon the cushion, I got it backwards

  • @wagonet
    @wagonet 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i just got a similar cushion and it's game changing. thinkin of the performaxe as well. great vid.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The cushion is a great start! I don't think the performaxe offers more or less, just a bit different. Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @samuelwnovak
    @samuelwnovak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I IMPLORE guitarists who regularly sit for many hours practicing to start lifting weights, specifically deadlifting, to strengthen their lower back and glutes. It’s easily one of the most proactive things you can do for the longevity of your playing career.
    A strong lower back is much more resistant to injury and will rarely suffer from the general day-to-day aches and pains that afflict so many of us who lead modern sedentary lives. Developing those muscles can even reduce or completely relieve that pain for those who already suffer from chronic mild pain. As for the glutes, I’ll describe my own experience: I was naturally very scrawny before I started lifting, and that included my glutes. My butt was so flat and bony that I basically didn’t have a butt at all. So, I would often experience pain after prolonged periods of sitting (ESPECIALLY from practicing guitar) because I was essentially sitting right on the sitz bones themselves. Well my glutes have become significantly bigger and I can’t even remember the last time I felt that pain because now I’m sitting on a literal cushion of muscle that wasn’t there before. Furthermore everybody (who isn’t asexual) loves a nice shapely butt (keyword “shapely,” which is the result of well-developed gluteal muscles) so that’s a nice bonus 😎🍑🎂🍰
    I was gonna end it there but I do feel compelled to say that the overwhelmingly positive physical and mental health benefits of weight training are scientifically confirmed and well documented at this point, so don’t just train your lower back and glutes for your guitar playing, train your whole body obviously 😌🙏🫡💪

    • @Whiskey.Tango.Actual
      @Whiskey.Tango.Actual 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As a 6 string bass player who plays around 15 hours/week, you're 100% right!

    • @patledoc
      @patledoc 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I’m 65 and I started Apple fitness strenght workouts 4 years ago to help my mountain bike practice, but did not realized it could prevent guitar practice injury. I even bought a Strandberg for prevention !

  • @jasonpauldubeau5740
    @jasonpauldubeau5740 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I use a foot stand for my left foot and it seems to do the Job!

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I did for a while as well but combining the uneven hips and leaning toward the neck, I really started messing up my neck and low back. But if you don't overdo it, its a good short term solution! As long as it works for you!

    • @Mossy5150
      @Mossy5150 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@eightmetalstrings agree, sitting with one foot elevated, leaning into the neck definitely gets uncomfortable for long sessions

  • @ShaneWilson
    @ShaneWilson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice video, thank you! If I may mention. In my opinion I feel what is key is to have the instrument at the same position at all times. So if sitting there are several options such as footstools, guitar, supports, and straps. But if we do any standing, we have to go with the idea of using a strap at all times.

  • @nunolance23
    @nunolance23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use a cushion that's a copy of the Dynarette, since it wasn't in stock anywhere near me about 1 year ago when I wanted to try one - so far it works fine for me!

  • @DeweyJHall1
    @DeweyJHall1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have both of these and have used them for yrs at this point. I play classical with the performaxe all the time with no issues. I think it's just the shape of your guitar that causing issues with it. Main problem I got with the performaxe, is it digs into your leg after awhile and gets annoying. The cushion is more comfortable but isn't as secure. I like going back and forth between the two

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's a fairly perfect summary of it all. I agree, the smaller horn of the Abasi doesn't work perfectly, but there are other guitar shapes as well that wouldn't work, so I still hope they make another size in the future :)

  • @ralphashford9022
    @ralphashford9022 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I found the same thing as you, the guitar wasn't always at the desired height, but it depends on the guitar. As Guiseppe said, he builds these with the need(s) of the majority of players. However, they're expensive and if it doesn't suit you, it's costly, especially since you basically need to buy one to try one. For me, I supplement the Performaxe with a foot rest. That may seem to defeat the purpose of the Performaxe, but again, each of my many guitars sits differently and no one thing works best in every case. (For the same reason, you wouldn't buy a guitar strap that wasn't adjustable.)

  • @Metro_Gnome
    @Metro_Gnome 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I just get my cat to sit on my left knee and curl up into a pillow shape...then I rest the guitar on her cute little face
    😮jk but I could if I wanted to😊

  • @s.e.n3264
    @s.e.n3264 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In classical position, you're supposed to only elevate the resting leg. (Usually left leg, but swapped for lefties.)

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@s.e.n3264 I'm aware, but it is also well known that in the long term, sitting like that can have negative impacts on the hips and low back (which is what I am working through!). That's why these products exist.

  • @DanielBobke
    @DanielBobke 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I considered the cushion, but ended up getting a couple of Performaxe units that I use on different guitars. For the Abasi you have, I think that short lower horn on the guitar limits how much you can get it over on your left leg. So far, for the guitars I have found the Performaxe to work pretty well. I might try the cushion - just because it looks comfortable.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree that it doesn't really work well on the Abasi specifically but there are lots of other guitars with short lower horn sections, like a les paul. Nothing has been quite perfect yet but at least I'm 90% there. And I do like the cushion quite a bit. Worth trying out.

  • @dandylion6
    @dandylion6 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool video. I like standing but these tools seem good too.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! and yeah, most performance situations will call for standing, but for practice I try to avoid the pull on the neck and shoulder. So good to be able to do both healthily.

  • @adriansaunders5313
    @adriansaunders5313 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bought one of these and just can't get on with it. The part that rests on your leg is almost flat, not curved like a guitar. And I've tried 'experimenting' with putting the Performaxe on different parts of the guitar, but when I get it to right height and and angle, then the guitar doesn't 'balance' on my leg so you have to use your hands to stop it tipping - which is detrimental to your playing. I guess I might have to try to find a better footrest than I've got. BTW I was trying with PRS guitars, and these are shown in the Performaxe adverts, so it's not because my guitars are 'wrong'.

  • @KYUBIMATIAS
    @KYUBIMATIAS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, Thomas! I was actually just wondering if I should get one of these like 2 weeks ago, so very timely for me. I'm curious if you'd consider making a video on 8-string (Well, really AaL) tones. I have a PRS Archon 50, 2x12 matching cab, and the HX Stomp XL, and while all of these are great I often get option paralysis on getting a basic rhythm guitar tone. My desire would be to just be able to play the open E and get that exact sound Tosin gets on the record on songs like Somnarium or Tooth & Claw.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@KYUBIMATIAS Hey! What great timing indeed! I would love to make a video going over their tone settings. It might be a while as I have a few other videos on the list before getting to that, but I will eventually get to it!

    • @KYUBIMATIAS
      @KYUBIMATIAS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eightmetalstrings That would be great, dude! Also, some older AaL song tutorials would be awesome. Things like the hybrid picking in On Impulse and Somnarium. Regardless, though, your channel is fantastic and your uploads always make me happy to sit down with the Boden and learn.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KYUBIMATIAS I have marked your suggestions down in my video notes! Perhaps once I'm done my few videos about triads I will head back into the AaL stuff. But it will get done eventually! Thanks for your support. I love to hear the videos are useful to you!

  • @Cerecyte1221
    @Cerecyte1221 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The performax looks like it would be a perfect solution, if you were to use a guitar stool and rest your left knee higher. I think that would allow for virtually perfect playing position.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree! That's what I try to achieve with the cushion. As soon as one foot is higher, the lower back isn't even any more, so I try to avoid that, but the footstool raising the left leg and then putting your right foot up on something too works pretty well.

  • @hamishwilliamson8915
    @hamishwilliamson8915 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Have you tested a clamp-type support like HB or HB lite (used for classical guitar)? I really appreciate your thoughts and the comments below. Ergonomics is all too easily overlooked. Cheers

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks very much! No, I haven't had a chance to try that style of guitar support. Looks like it would work pretty well with both sides being adjustable. My only worry would be that the length of the leg rest side is a little short and wouldn't feel super stable.

  • @mjKlaim
    @mjKlaim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I never could hold the guitar the way you showed without any device to stand it up, so I always have straps (with short settings to have it high) on all my guitars. I have an Aguile EX8 Renaissance which is big and I wanted to try some device similar to the one with suction you showed but now I just use a strap. It's not ideal for my shoulders with the long hours, but I'm not full time musician so it's ok for me.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What kind of strap do you have? I can rarely find any that go short enough for me. Check out some of the other stuff on the dynarette site. They have tons of types of guitar rests. Your guitar looks super cool btw!

    • @mjKlaim
      @mjKlaim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eightmetalstrings Yeah that guitar (acoustic/folk version btw) sounds great but it's so big I have trouble doing anything with it XD
      The straps I use are either "Levys Piped Suede Strap 2.5'' Tan" or "Harley Benton Guitar Strap Padded Black" (note that I'm in europe) - I choses these because others are unconfortable quickly on my shoulders. Also it takes some time to find the right setup on these straps to get the right distance, but there is enough positions possible to find one that is close to perfect, at least for my body+8string configuration.
      Note that on 8string guitars, I spend most time on my Ibanez TAM10. I wish I had a 8-string Larada too but it's not easy to obtain or even rise the budget for hahaha

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mjKlaim oh awesome, that is Tosin's original signature, isn't it? The Abasi guitars are in such high demand with such limited stock, it's crazy. I got very lucky getting mine right when the guitars went live in the website.
      Thanks for the strap recommendations, I will check them out!

    • @mjKlaim
      @mjKlaim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eightmetalstrings Yes it's the cheap version of the Tosin Abasi signature Ibanez (TAM100 is the not-chep one - both discontinuited since he decided to create his own shop)

  • @DomLapointe
    @DomLapointe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I missed out on a used Performaxe local to me a few weeks ago lol
    Sad times

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Damn, I bet they get more common in the next few years as more batches are made and sold. So hopefully there will be more chances.

  • @dmisiraca
    @dmisiraca หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cushion is everything except STABLE!! It is stable if you dont move leg one inch!! it is crazy for me that Josh is playing on cushion!

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dmisiraca agreed. It's so close to perfect but that flaw is a big one. He does a good job of keeping everything loose and controlled.

  • @jumpman120
    @jumpman120 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    maybe but on their site they are always sold out so

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, unfortunately they are a small company with huge demand. I had to sign up to be on a waiting list, but eventually got one.

    • @jumpman120
      @jumpman120 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eightmetalstrings i pre order one same day few hours before "restock" has announced on the site (first october) and it will be shipped in around 10 days

    • @ralphashford9022
      @ralphashford9022 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was on the waiting list for about 6 months. but eventually my turn came.

    • @jumpman120
      @jumpman120 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ralphashford9022 i preorder the same day announced a restock and i get one

  • @PersianRockstar21
    @PersianRockstar21 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Best thing you can do for yourself and your playing is: PLAY WHILE STANDING UP!!!

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's good to be able to play standing up if your performance practice requires it, but straps pulling on the shoulder/neck and guitar neck-dive are real issues when using a strap still.

    • @christophermball
      @christophermball 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eightmetalstrings Couldn't agree more. Particularly for those of us with heavy electrics such as Gibson Les Pauls.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christophermball The worst offenders!

  • @guyfawkes8873
    @guyfawkes8873 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why not just use a strap? I'm curious. That's what I do

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Straps add tension to your shoulders and neck, on one side, making the muscles work in an imbalanced way. Even if only a bit, it stacks up over time to create fairly big imbalances in the body.
      Secondly, a lot of people have guitars with heads that are heavy enough to pull the guitar down when you don't hold on to it. This means there is some energy wasted just trying to keep the neck up at a comfortable angle.
      I would be interested in some body harness style straps that could hold the guitar but I haven't seen any good ones before.

    • @bolland83
      @bolland83 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@eightmetalstrings I think that's why a lot of people are moving to headless designs. Less weight, better balance.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bolland83 I agree, it's the way of the future!

    • @rajennaidoo7
      @rajennaidoo7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Chronic lower back issue which is exacerbated to the point of agony. Live in South Africa. Please can you at your convenient time tell me where I can purchase these. Using small blanket to prop up guitar but too cumbersome and slippery. I thank you in anticipation.

    • @eightmetalstrings
      @eightmetalstrings  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rajennaidoo7 Links for both should be in the description. Their sites are the only places I know of to buy them. Otherwise, I definitely recommend seeing a physiotherapist if you are able to get some back strengthening exercises or to diagnose a larger issue. Best of luck!