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realistically, the A-4 Colt cannons would have just jammed after a few shots and you would have won all three combats :P
*DCS player base: 99% male*
GS: "Welcome back ladies"
99.99% percent male according to my analytics lol.
Lol
Reminded me of my hockey / basic training days...
Lol ladies
@@GrowlingSidewinder can I meet that00.01% lady 😂
That was a great fight. Suprised me with the long range accuracy. Great job brother, as always, awesome video.
Thanks for helping man much appreciated as always
Fun fact: Draken International, Private Adversary contractor still fly Ex New Zealand Airforce A4s, fully upgraded, for the US military services.
A testament to how well it does in a turning fight even against the current generation of jets.
another fun fact, the Australian navy A4G depicted here may have been one of the ones purchased by the RNZAF and upgraded to A4K 'kahu' model .... then decommissioned by an ugly hippy witch Prime Minister and eventually sold to Drakken .... all the single seat A4ks obtained by Drakken are all former A4Gs 😎
You know it’s going to be a good day when a new GS video drops while you’re watching an old one.
I got the best subs bro thank you for coming and watching the videos man.
Was just thinking the same 👍
This is so true
1986 - Maverick - "I'm bringing him in closer..."
2020 - GS... channeling Mav...
interesting matchup, wouldnt have thought about doing this fight.
Basically Argentinian Air Force vs Chilean Air Force during the end of 70s and all the 80s
Literally, whole reason I clicked the video. 🤣
"No such thing as cheating in a dogfight."
Do you hear that, Jester?
"If you're not cheating, you're not trying."
2:15, I think this is the very first time we heard that beep sound on this channel.
Yep
The A4 is a deceptively good dog fighter. It might be an "attack" aircraft by name but it is a dog fighter in spirt. There is a reason the Navy used the A4 at top gun. It's really freaking good.
I posted this vid in the “Friends of the RNZAF/RAN A4 Skyhawk” page & a former RNZAF member said the following “This looks very reminiscent of many of the Kiwi A4 v F5 dogfights fought out of Butterworth thru the 80s-90s. This one doesn’t appear to have a hard deck. Reminds me of a similar ‘no holds barred’ dual near the Thai border at a time when the F5s were flying real CT missions. Of course nobody would ever break the deck, but there were some pilots who would never give up either. The two aircraft were closely matched but the A4 had an edge when the fight slowed down and in rolling scissors.”
very cool thank you for sharing the video AND the response.
That's cool!
I honestly would have thought the F-5 would win in most circumstances with pilots of equal skill. But that's just based on intuition and the fact one had "F" in its name and the other has an "A".
Growling Sidewinder do you know there's a radar auto acquisition mode on the f-5 as well as a lead computing gunsight? Just I haven't seen you try and use it yet.
Could you elaborate on it?
4:20 That rolling scissors was epic, but he was kinda given the kill when you couldn’t turn, after he rolled out. I’m not sure if this would work, but you could try and pull hard up, or hit the deck, it might counteract the advantage the Skyhawk has with regards to maneuverability
That over shoot almost killed him
Almost dosent count lol
A-4E is such a fun plane to fly... I keep putting a server room out there with 10 A4s with missiles and guns for dogfighting, only had a few takers but the laughter and smiles are great!! Really a pilots game rather than tech.
Cool combo! Let's see how the Aggressors fight each other!
There Is No Cheating In The Dogfight - this is a good slogan for a t-shirt
You know you're a hardened jet jockey when you laugh at a no chute face plant in the ground at 200+ mph. Good fight.
That long shot made the coolest dude loose the beep bombs! 😂 Never expected that.
But that first round was ace!
At times it looked like the A-4 wanted to poke the F-5 out of the sky with its refueling probe.
8:12: Mhh... Mig-21 vs f5 confirmed? O.o
F-5,the most underrated fighter plane in east Africa, from kenya
Jambo!
Keep em' flying, even if you have to 3-d print the spare parts yourselves. Convince Northrop that the Tiger isn't anywhere near a natural death, and the may yet revive the TigerSHARK, but under the more modest desigination of the "F5 G", as it should have been in the beginning.
The F5 is not from Kenya, it's a Northrop plane....
@@kbreezy004 i think he meant that kenya has. We also have quite a lot modernized f5 with bvr capability on Brazil. Very cost/effective plane for non warmonger countrys
@@rafaelgoncalvesdias7459 Effective right until a country has AA.
@@kbreezy004 I think they meant that he or she is from Kenya, not the F-5.
GS: I'm gonna try to bring him in closer and force an overshoot.
Translation for aeronerds: I'm gonna hit the brakes, he'll fly right by
I'd have loved to see the tacview from the first fight too. That whole event you were almost trading paint.
Yeah, I was looking forward to that one too. Seeing how the A-4 got such a rate advantage would have been interesting.
Those smoke deflectors on the F5’s cannons are just too sexy for me
I saw the Blue Angels perform in A-4s in the early 1980s. They did stunts all over town the day before an air show at the local airport. So much fun to watch!
"That's kinda dark, I didn't see an ejection either" lmaooo
Hey GS, try using the lead computing sight, it helps a lot at situations where the target is right in front of you and is turning.
Overall, nice video! I’m glad you’re making more videos about the F5E-II, this module certainly deserves way more attention. I think it is my favorite in terms of flight model. It can do any maneuver while still not limiting your input whatsoever, unlike the F18 that feels like someone else is controlling the stick.
GS: "Welcome back ladies"
me: well if growling sidewinder calls me a lady, then you're damn right I'm a lady.
Mt stepfather flew the A-4, yeah was rooting against you lol.
lol understandable.
The main two adversaries to the F-14 and later the F-18 at Oceana in Va during the eighties. Great match up. The 'scooter' vs the 'Tiger'. Ha.
Two of my favourite light attack aircraft as a kid. Dude, this was like watching Santa and Spiderman throw hands in an alley, kinda traumatic. Cool to watch, though.
Nice to see you giving the tiger some flight time. Very underrated aircraft!
Its crazy how the covers open open and the barrels pop up and those M39 canons let loose
2:02 - “You’re gonna do WHAT?!?”
- Merlin(Top Gun)
"Cut throttle; here's the roll...yes....YESSSSS *bleeeeeeeep* son of *bleep*"
It was looking so good 🤣
That is one cumbersome jet.although it wasn't after long shot took a short shot.you'll get him this time take him out sidewinder.
Glad my suggestion got on here! Thank you GS!
This was a really awesome matchup to watch with two pretty fair pilots, better than i could do that’s for sure lol
I caught that in the video with the doors opening for the guns. I never have noticed that on the F5. That gives it like a mafia feel to it. Wow :) If he was carrying so much extra speed at the top of the circle in round 3 I wonder if he shouldnt have carried it more into the vertical?
Enjoyed this one, Longshot was not playin around in round one! But great shooting GS especially in the second one lol
Thanks my man. I try my best
Ah, Growling Sidewinder. Right on schedule as usual!
0:10 guess I’m a woman now
he assumed our gender, RRRrrreeeeeeeeeeeeee
@@s4dg lol calm down its a joke
I'm going to bet $1000 that his analytics tells him this channel is a sausage fest
Therein lies the joke
My mom lied to me, I thought I was a boy
Well, that’s pretty easy. One is an attack aircraft while the other is a fighter. I would bet my money on the fighter any day. I have flown a full sized F-5 simulator and been behind the stick of an A-4.
I really like the sadistic little laugh after the shoot.
In 1978 in the beagle conflict, Argentina vs chile. Argentina they have a A4 skyhawk and chile they have a F5 Whit sidewinder
Man, this was a match I wondered about for some time even before you did the F14 vs videos beforehand.. And damn, this was way cooler than I thought it'd be..
From 4:14 to 4:32, the way the camera rolls is so damned cinematic, the A4 pulverizing the ground in round 2 was just.. So.. Good, to the eyes.. As always, a great watch man! 👌👌👌
GS underdog then, trying to force a V even against the odds.
GS underdog now, "at least i got to eject and not get hit in the face. "
These twin 30mm from the Skyhawk punch quite nasty holes
2:16 wow, you are an Air force but you are speaking like a Sailor.
Always a joy watching your channel. I learn a lot from the post analysis report
Missed opportunity to have the A-4 sporting Argentinian colors and the F-5 sporting Chilean colors.
This is literally Brazilian air force (F-5) vs Brazilian Navy (A-4). Nice to see our old crappy fighters going at each other. LOL
These lower generation fights show more of the technical & tactics side of dogfighting. Well done.
I agree!
I think the Gen 3 fighters are the most interesting to watch dogfighting as it seemed like they were actually still designed with gunfights as a primary design consideration.
Gen 4 fighters are still really interesting, but it's more about the utilization of missiles. Still interesting, but different.
🙂
"I like the guns on the F-5"
Is the F-8J out yet? Would love to see some Dakka only from that thing.
2:40 / Ive had more serious sounding farts than that lol. Good fight GS
Iron eagle 2 F4 Phantoms next? Or that weird thing in the original Iron Eagle?
Really want to see you flying a Eurofighter Typhoon though.
A bit of a different take on the fight at 10:00
Even though the A-4 is a little more nose high, the paths of the fighters describe a "plane" - essentially a flat disc - tilted up about 30 degrees above the horizon. At time 10:48, the A-4 is losing what is a pure position fight, as the F-5 has gotten inside the turn. The A-4, with an energy advantage (speed), needs to get "out of plane" with a higher nose position to avoid the snap shot. Instead, he digs back down (10:52) into the F-5, thereby staying "in plane" and giving the F-5 a planform to shoot.
Instead of digging nose low, he should have gone nose up, getting "out of plane" - while at least providing a "knife edge" shot and getting him above the plane of the bullet stream. At that point, he had a 50 knot advantage, which would have been apparent due to the angles the F-5 generated, which had to be at the cost of energy.
It was an opportunity to transition from a position fight the A-4 was losing, to an energy fight it could win.
At the snap shot/overshoot, the F-5 is at 190 kias. An F-5 at that speed is done climbing for the most part. An A-4, 45 kts faster can still go up to start a rolling scissors.
If the A-4 had gone up just prior to the snap shot, the F-5 would have been committed nose low due to it's low airspeed. Generally, I think an A-4 in a rolling scissors has an advantage over an F-5, especially if it starts with this kind of (total) energy advantage.... 40 knots (kinetic) + altitude (potential).
Interestingly, this fight tended to stay in a single plane, rather than generating out of plane maneuvering when there was a fighter with an energy advantage. It seemed both fighters had an inclination to put the lift vector right on the other one, and that tends to keep the fight in a plane. "Using the vertical" is really the ability to escape, vertically, from a plane of motion using your energy advantage, when the opponent doesn't have the energy to do so; rather than just pulling nose high if the other guy can as well.
An A-4 Vs. F-5 is a fun fight!
The perfect matchup I didn't know I wanted! Really interesting thanks
“He hit the ground so hard!” *laughs maniacally at someone’s death*
Ladies, that Frenchy plane has jammed up our Sidewinder. Press F to pay respects.
Our man was never the same. F
000
He said:"I'm feeling pretty good about that fight." as he descends in a parachute. 🤓
"Radar guns lock...who needs it?"
- GS
Confidence, even false confidence, is confidence nonetheless.
Now this is something ive been waiting for. Good job as always!
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oy Oy Oy... Disappointing he didn't get the face shot we know and love Growling. Hahaha... now for round 2 ;)
That’s actually a damn good matchup, both wicked good planes
Really enjoying these different match ups. Love your work GS. 🇦🇺
Nice shots GS!!! I'm so excited to hear you're getting into the F-5! I love all you're videos!
Welcome back ladies? 99% of the audience are mals.
It's a joke. Or maybe a Full Metal Jacket reference.
Ah yes, I too love being a mal.
@@eidwsatan4100 grammar nazi much?
@@Ali-bz9gd Mein Furher
@@Ali-bz9gd its a joke.. polite way to say "btches" 😁.. again, its a common joke among friends.
I think the A-4 is in the colours of VF-805 Royal Australian Navy, not civilian colours.
A novice observation.. if you have a aircraft that does not turn well, use it as an energy fighter. Get in, get out, go vertical. The reason the (Actual Pilot) in Mirage went vertical (in earlier video) at merge is to gain altitude to trade for turn speed. Actually I would recommend going vertical on merge for all gun fights. It gives you more options. BTW.. I just subbed and belled. :)
Is there any particular reason, that you are not using the computing gunsight?
I mean your A-A gunnery without it is definitely better than mine with it.
But it seems to give proper lead, when i put it in A/A2 mode (even though the maual says it shoud be A/A1 in a dogfight).
Are there videos with the F 20 tigershark?
Oh you! You made me smile when you called me a lady.
Make Cold War Rumbles Great Again. Those events were some of my favorite times playing.
I have an unusual demand, it's very unlikely but here it's. SPITFIRE VS F22.
That was some sick shooting in round 2
GS had some well-aimed shots in this one!
Wish I could pretend they weren’t luck.
I would have to say that an A-4 Skyhawk is simply no match for an F-5 cuz the former is a low end fighter bomber (nuclear and conventional) while the latter an attacker designed principally to take out threats such as bombers or fighter bombers.
Thus the reason for Argentina's Skyhawks to lose out to the UK's sneaky Harrier jump jets, a plane designed to defend the Royal Navy from attacks.
Argentina's (Etandard or Mirage F-1's is the same story. It is not an air superiority fighter designed to take out threats from the air), but, it did do the job it was designed to do, namely launch Exocet ASM's at the Royal Navy.
Tis the reason the Americans lost so many B-52's, A-4's, F-8's and F-106's in Nam. They are all either bombers and fighter bombers. Their purpose is to drop bomb loads on targets. They are no match for the Russian MiG-21 which was designed for defense purposes.
The heavily bragged about F-4 is exception. It's too heavy and too cumbersome to really play the part of a fighter jet. It's role is also bombing runs which is why the teen series of fighter popped out of the woodworks right after the Vietnam war.
what are those little structures that fold out in front of the guns right before he fires? like little guidance holes? lol weird. And how do they know you're about to fire unless there's a delay as you wait for them to open?
Trying to out-roll an A-4? Good luck with that lol; roll-rate was one of it's strengths. Otherwise the F-5 was superior, particularly it's guns. The M-39 had a 50% greater rate of fire than the Colt Mk 12, which was also prone to jamming. Good fight!
Payback is always hell nice takedown in round two.
Don't feel bad about putting the f5 up against more modern aircraft. They still use, or very recently stopped, f5 aircraft as 'aggressor' aircraft during training operations and war games.
Can anyone tell what are those things that seem to open in front of the F-5's guns? Thanks.
And an awesome video as allways.
Gun gas exit doors. Cleares the gas away from the intakes to stop compressor stalls.
No such thing as cheating when your in a gun fight to the death!
We have both here on Brazil f5s and a4rs.
GS, pumpin' out the vids! Gonna nick-name you Two-a-Days! Nice job, man!
Thanks Rick u the man buddy
In real battles with jets still target an ejected pilot?
That's a war crime
I really like these two fighters, because my country uses them even though they are getting old
The A4s you'll be flying against are lighter, faster, and more maneuverable.
Instead of a bleep, it should be a sidewinder growl.
I wanted to see the TacView of the round you lost. Nice flying.
i don’t play DCS but is their a phantom mod or module in the game maybe a F-100? that would be interesting to see the F-5 go against or any jet
Well a official F-4 is in work but we wont see it any time soon. Dont know if a mod is aviable but if, its not a good one.
@@Mike_Romeo lmao their is i found some on youtube they just gave them F-15 and A-10 cockpits like wth😂😂😂
@@michaelskilwies4863 That is actually the way with all mods in dcs with few exceptions like the A-4, MB-339 and Edge 540 mods
yessssssss a new video my day is the best ever now last day before winter break and a sidewinder video hell yes
sidewinder is getting pissed
"Welcome back, ladies.." men.. that gave me some flashback of me playing war games..🤣
SideWinder : (laughs after notice that he knows it was lucky shot)
Me : (starts laughing) Never heard SideWinder laugh that much before..
SideWinder again : Huuh... It's kinda dark, I didn't see any ejection either..
Me : (dramatically stops laughing) Oookey.. That turns sideways..
🤣🤣 Men.. When he says, its kinda dark and didn't see any injection. Legit me stop laughing..
0:10 WOAH WOAH WOAH I came for a dogfight and I got roasted? lmao Caught me off guard!
Edit: I guess GS is gettin' pissy today lol 2:16
Wonder how the A4SU with the non-afterburning General Electric F404-GE-100D would fare against the F5E.
welcome back Ladies!!
i think i heard that wrong?
That is the joke, making fun of the guys
Hey, it'd be interesting to see you trying to use it in BVR. Maybe try to survive long enough to merge and use Fox-2s? Not sure if the version in DCS is equipped with a capable enough radar though.
Nope, both planes are not bvr capable
Your commentary on round two had me laughing. Good smack talk :).