Installing a French Drain & Catch Basin - Not my usual methods Part 1 of 2
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- This garage had massive flooding issues with water running through from two sides. We installed a high capacity french drain and a large catch basin.
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Props to Carson for framing the whole experience as a learning opportunity. He probably knew he'd be roasted in the comments, but gave his blessing to have it posted anyway. Thanks, Carson and Shawn!
I'll talk more about that in P2. I need a little more footage and I'll be ready to upload it. Wednesday perhaps.
Well said... Live & Learn...i would prob fail if i was doing it all myself....Carson is lucky to have Shawn as a Pro instead of forking out a few $$$$ more to have it all done by other contractors etc etc
I really like the ducks. The ducks coming and going in high-speed was funny. Thanks for another great video!
I wouldn't give Carson too hard a time. Optimism and financial conservatism are a powerful tag-team, especially when costs are piling up. Sometimes *when* the money is spent matters more than the end total. And sometimes we have to let a friend learn the hard way -- and this particular lesson is better learned on a garage than a house :)
Exactly! He's done some great drainage work at his house and now drainage issues are a big part of his new house build.
Yeesh Carson is headstrong. You have a lot more patience than I do.
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@@GCFD Has he been to a casino lately with Tom Cruise ? It may not necessarily be 'hard headedness' but his personality may exhibit other things at play
Doesn’t have money for gravel during excavation, but now has money for 8” pvc 🤣🤣🤣. Would love to know how many out there have said “I should have listened to Gate City.” 😂😂😂. Cannot believe he still didn’t let you plan and execute this drainage system. Some never learn.
He's come a long way Brian. He did some excellent drainage work at his house and he's taking drainage concerns into consideration right now as he's building his new place.
@@GCFD maybe he should be letting you take his drainage issues into consideration, you are the professional after all and you've proven that time & time again. Your a great friend for doing thousands of dollars worth of work for free only to have to go back because he was so hard headed. Anyway..awaiting part 2.
@@skitzochik it happens to me alot too, some of my clients want to do a French drain, crawl space encapsulation or something else, they get surprise cause I differ so much from other companies, because that's all they see on tv adds or recommendations from other companies, I usually back away from those clients.
@@gamking7987 yea it's a rare day when you come across a company or tradesman thats not out to rip you off. Hats off to honest men like you boys.
Yea looking forward to a follow-up video
GCFD off-piste! Best of luck to Carson, he obviously wants to try and think of solutions and learn from things along the way. Really interesting to see how your methods and style of work fit in with Carson's ideas and requirements. I'm off to watch Pt2!
Great video, Shawn! As for Carson, he is EXTREMELY frustrating. He had 2 shots at taking great advice from a PRO and failed both times. And if he can call buying a huge plot of land and building on it a "learning experience", then shame on him for being cheap when it comes to things like 'more gravel' and 'PVC fittings'.
@@BigHermAZ he’s got drainage at the front of his house build so he’s making good use of these lessons.
I love the newest helpers, ducks are great workers LOL
I can appreciate Carson's hardhead-ness, I think a lot of us are that way. I can see me doing the 4" lines dropping in the catch basin like Carson did, to save some money. Appreciate the lessons learned this one gives us all, though I feel bad for Carson as they are at his expense.
Very well said Benjamin! I really wanted to tell the story of how this situation happened.
Asks the expert for advise then won't take it,LOL. Daffy's relatives were having a blast in the disturbed soil.
Haha keep that in mind when you watch part 2. I laughed out loud! You'll see what I mean very soon 👍
No offense to Carson but you, Sir, are an expert and fountain of knowledge in regards drainage and how to solve flooding issues...
To push back, disagree, even put his foot down on what HE wants, to me, is foolish.
I've watched your videos, as you've posted em, for a few years (& binged everything prior several times over). While I've learnt a lot from watching them I KNOW my limitations and if I'd have you in to do a job I'd give you free reign and let you decide on what to do and where the pipes (basins) go.
But, as they say "The customer is always right!" (Even when they're not).
Thanks for supporting my channel! I'm glad you are enjoying and learning from my stuff! - Shawn
Brother you got me cracking up with the catch basin comment. "The other 304 videos..."🤣😂🤣
Impressed with the ducks & geese checking out the dirt…
They were saying: hey wait, we like all that water by the building. 😉
They were definitely interested in what we were digging!
@@GCFD When you dig, you disturb the bugs. Disturbed bugs are easy to catch and eat. I have seen the same with guys mowing or mulching fields, the birds are right there for the easy meal. And just like in this one, they will play chicken with the machine.
@t8ne yep, loved seeing this!
The ducks are the best part of this job!
Haha they are fun
I was going to add the same thing! I did enjoy seeing the ducks trying to help as well!
Those ducks really wanted in on the action:)
They were the stars of this video for sure
1) sort your drainage needs before building.
2) as soon as you catch water, you have to deal with it- don't catch it you don't have to!
3) each system needs its own pipes.
I like you second bullet point! Hint.
@@GCFD and me, it's probably cheaper as well.
4) cut nipples long, you can trim down
Ok. Back from rewatching you 300+ videos. Can confirm. Never put a catch basin that close 😅
@@alexplisko7794 never catch what you don't need to!
He seems to be the guy who respects trial and error! My grandfather would say learning the hard way! Lol its his money so he will eat the bills each time… he honestly may enjoy this process! Lol like an addict 😂 good patience and skillset Shawn! Cant wait for part two!
@@GiftedDotado thank you! He’s come a long way and is taking drainage now into sharp consideration
Best line ever. "I don't know why anybody would wanna build down to code". Exactly!!!! Code is a floor to build up FROM not a ceiling to build up To!
Have paused this video at 12:25 as you suggested. Am going back to re-watch all your other videos - back in a while to finish watching this one and comment further.
Hahah! Don't do that Ricky!
Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way. Watching from Peru while on mtb vacation.
Looked as though he built that unit on a lake. It's looked it 4 r 5 inches deep or deeper. Well seen he got those 8 inch pipes. Really needs it. Good job Shawn.
Hindsight is 20/20. Referring to perfect vision.
Thanks for another interesting series! Love the real deal stories. Kudos to Carson for allowing you to tell it like it was. ❤
In all your professional solutions Shawn, you NEVER cut corners - which is why you let Carson cut his catch basin corner!!
Great video - sharing work and explaining why this solution is not recommended.
I’m looking forward to the next one 👍
Thank you! I need to get back down to his building to show the most current situation and I'm hoping to get that footage tomorrow. P2 is coming soon.
@@GCFD thanks for posting part2 a day earlier - it was a great surprise to see it and was a great video. Cheers Shawn.
nice work Shawn and crew!
Only watched part 1, but this is promising content!
As you put the camera in the trench and started filming as you were walking I was thinking of the Star Wars Death Star scene! Right before Carson mentioned it. Good job for the things that you had a say on!
I thought that was a pretty cool shot! That was a pretty trench for sure.
I immediately said "almost there..."
I'm just glad to see that you weren't using corrugated pipe it just amazes me how people ignore professionals and want to do things their way
He's come a long way so he definitely learned a lot from this.
Sean, tip for next time from an excavator operator: Next time you need to dig next to a building and slope a swale, use the grading bucket on the mini ex. All minis come with a built in 15* tilt bucket.
Abandon the usual practice of having your blade in front or behind, and dig over the side: Position the blade facing the building, center over your ditch, then lower the blade all the way.
It’ll tip your machine away from the building, putting your cutting edge at the angle you were looking for. 😎
Interesting.
That’s a great tip! Thank you!
With friends like you who needs family.
He's a good one.
Man those OSHA safety agents are sneaky, disguising themselves as Ducks, and following you guys around like that.... Hahaha
It's nice to see you have a supervisor duck to make sure you're doing your job😅
He was pleased. 10 out of 10
@@GCFD 🤣
Might be another branch of the Duck Mafia.
I love all the Site Supervisors you have on this job...
Just make sure their Kibitzing doesn't drive you completely Quackers...
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Dead giveaway that you have drainge problems; the ducks circle your house waiting for the ponds to return.
I can’t wait for part 2!
I'm hoping to have it up by Wednesday or so.
I got bit by two mosquitos as soon as this video started.
Ouch!
Never heard hindsight is 50/50 before lol
🤣 should be hindsight is 20/20
@@rebel3353 that’s the joke! No one ever notices
Aside from doing that massive french drain. Dig a trench along his foundation. Clean it off, drill holes all along it, epoxy 10 penny nails, build a form to make a 4 inch concrete curb against the buildling..
Great idea!
"Not in the business of saving glue", lol. I knew a guy who on coffee breaks commented 'are you paying for it?' if you were stingy on the milk.
Shawn All i can say is OUCH surely a lesson learned hopefully.
@@billlyttle8224 yes it was! It’s all good now though
I love the ducks just roaming around throughout the video.
They were pretty fun being on the job and running around! I'm glad it came through in this video.
When I saw the ducks hanging about I knew we were in the low spot :)
Carson remindes me of my Dad. Cheap and thinks he knows everything better than the profesionals. I would not have had the patience to help him do it wrong.
Learned long ago to listen to professionals. Reinventing the wheel is never ideal. I'm an engineer, and I can easily tell you I DO NOT know everything. There. I said it.
I'm a scientist and the only thing I'm certain about is that I don't know everything.
@@GCFD Amen. I'd like to say that means we both must have "arrived", but I know better, ha.
The customer is always right. Cheers.
Haha Laurie
I remember that pour, and you telling him then. He did not listen. You told him this time. He did not listen.
He's getting great experience in drainage work and has done some awesome stuff at his place. I was out there and he liked my ideas.
Regarding the catch basin. I immediately thought of "Part 1 of 4 The worst Apt. flooding I've ever seen". That is pretty close to the house I'd say. And you sent the water through the appartment too. Lol!
That was a last possible option. I made sure they understood one very important thing about that CB in that apartment building. What do you think it was?
@@GCFD That is right, you warned the property manager that if the catch basin were to become clogged at any time, the flooding problem would return and damage those two apartments. I hope the company paid you in full for that job. It was a time investment.
@@GCFD Yes, the circumstances were the worst possible and it couldn’t have been done in any other way, I know that. I just thought it was funny that you actually had placed a basin that close before. And kind of hilarious sending the pipe through the building, thinking back on it afterwards. Thats’s all. It was a good solution. The only place downhill was the parking.
@@madmodders Yeah it was his most challenging project ever.
@@jasonkyleadams7577 you got it Jason! I haven’t heard anything back in all this time
Well let's just hope it works as advertised, it's his money. Shawn see ya on the next one.
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Amen to don't catch it if you don't have to. Here at my mother in laws house, the back extension used to flood. Her parents who built the house were avid gardeners. They built flower beds and put in brick paths and at one time it looked beautiful. The problem is the flow of water is from West to East. West being up hill and East being down. The front of the house faces North and the back faces South. So there was water coming from uphill hitting the West side of the house and flowing to the South end of the house and then across the back yard. Right where all there lovely work put up barriers to the water. It ended up forcing water into the South room of the house. After the wife and I moved up here to take care of the mother in law, one of the first things I did with the new tractor is to tear up the flower beds, brick paths and regrade the back yard away from the house. For once not having gutters on the West side of the house was a blessing. 30 years of water running off created its own trench that flows South to the back yard. With the new grading the water sheds South past the house before turning East and continuing down the hill.
Well done.
"I'll wait."
Love it.
Hahah
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Is it ironic that the ducks are hanging around a flood zone?😂😂😂
Carson is hard headed
Haha He's a keeper though.
Great job. Wish the guy listened to you and poured higher foundation.
For sure!
Carson's slab needed to be at least 6 inches taller. This one was a really obvious : (
@@mxp2000 I know and I tried and tried to get him to order more gravel. He was just done paying for gravel
I think the death star run should be a new standard in every video!
I liked it too!
I don't understand all the money he spent on everything else and he wants to cheap out on drainage but that's what he's getting. I hope he just doesn't come back and complain to you why stuff didn't work because he doesn't want to spend the money. Looking forward to the next video. It's going to be interesting. I've never seen you do anything like this from what I've been seeing and it's going to be interesting. I'll be looking forward to the next one. 👍👍🙂🇨🇦
Sometimes what we need is a steep learning curve 🙃
Haha!
You might even call it a "full bubble" learning curve.
@@Kriss_L full bubble in the wrong direction!
Hindsight is 20/20 BTW, but another great video Shawn!
That's the joke! No one ever notices when I say 50/50
I am amazed that building doesn’t have gutters!😊
You're joking, no one's that stupid.
They were installed about a year ago 👍
@@GCFD Although, it is a rural area, so I guess anything goes.......but an improvement nonetheless.
Cheers sean
@@Mpro109 👍👍
Hindsight is what lol 20/20 🙂
Guard ducks doing their job. 🦆
They are dedicated 👍
The catch basin comments at the beginning sound foreboding.
Great catch!
Shawn telling Carson in Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice: listen to me now and believe me later.
I was thinking more "I'll be back" [to correct this].
Lmaoo@@GCFD
It's part of the joy to not be 100% all the time. Gives us things to do!
That's a great way to look at things Vanc! 👍
After watching your videos for years I am really glad you made this one. This will be the most educational video yet so I can’t wait for part 2.
How much you thinking the pipe and fittings cost vs gravel to raise the concrete pad for the initial pour?
Probably the pipes cost 15 times more than some extra gravel. I made sure to clear this with Carson before I published it, at least what really happened here..
@@GCFD I don't think Carson had any idea the amount of criticism he was going to get. I sure hope he watches this video and reads at last my comments.
Need more followup footage I love seeing the improvements in action!
Coming up!
19:50 People build down to Minimum Code because
1) That's what you have to build to so the Inspectors don't Scream at you...
2) That's the Minimum to get a structure that isn't going to hurt or kill you...
and
3) Building to Minimum Code instead of what you really should build to is FAR cheaper...
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Wow So he didnt wanna just buy more stone and do it right in the beginning which has probably costed him more money and time in the end. He should have just listened to u and everything would have been fine.
I know, hindsight is always 20/20, but at the time he had already spent thousands on gravel. I wanted him to bring in more and he just wasn't having it.
@@GCFDwait a sec, I thought hindsight was 50/50, like you said in the intro ;)
NDS part # 2411 or # 2412 24"x24" square grate with 1/2 head has a flow rate of 708.77 GPM,
NDS part # 2410 2nd ring is rated for 1457.67 GPM, though I think it'd be closer to 532.62 GPM,
an 8 inch pipe installed at a self-cleaning .347% slope can move 470 GPM,
an 8 inch pipe installed at 1% slope can move 833 GPM,
an 8 inch pipe installed at 2% slope can move 1211 GPM...
I guess the math plays out though I'd want more intake.
Very interesting Bob!
Per code you typically install drainage with a 1:96" pitch so flow doesn't scour out the soil underneath. In this guys case two 4 inch lines feeding a single 8" with that pitch won't increase overall flow enough to compensate. You can, of course, slope the discharge pipe much more since it's carrying discharge, not ground water.
@@iwastoldtherewouldbenomath6869 1.042% slope is too much for most installs on low-slope, especially in floodplain areas around developing cites. You only need 3 FPS to self-clean so you can use way-way less slope than 1:96 if you up-size the pipe. 4 inch only requires 0.78% slope to achieve 3 FPS but if you live on expansive-soil then you would want an install with more slope due to the pipe movement.
@@SlackerU You're overthinking this. Code is generally 1/8" per foot. You can add more slope for corrugated and even less above 6 inch diameter smooth pipe.
Answering the phone missed opportunity, "Call you back laying a LOT of pipe"
For sure
The Dunning-Kruger effect is in play here.🤔
He didn't listen to you the last time which is why he has to do this now. You think we would have learned to listen to you since you have so much experience and are his friend. He knows you're not going to just try to have him spend his money on something unnecessary, but try to save him time and money in the long run by doing it right the first time. Good friend you are by being flexible and warning him, but still trying it his way.
Well, I empathise with your predicament Shawn. I think Carson just got too obsessed with those lakes, ponds, ducks, geese, who knows what. He just should have said yes to whatever you suggested and kept his mouth shut. It wouldn't surprise me if he hadn't seen any of your video's. This is a different kind of educational video you have brought us.
The catch basin is what will mess things up.. I would of just ran a French drain all the way through.
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It's strange how people have an idea in their head just because it looks good and it's not related to their situation.
A 4"-6" curb on the slab would have helped then frame on top of that.
For sure!
I noticed you used fabric on the bottom of the drain but not on top before a final layer of gravel. Will silt wash into the system over time?
By not using fabric the flow will rinse the silt through and out of the french drain. You don't ever want to install a filter than is never changed.
I'm assuming there will be no silt in the first place because the gravel is blocking everything else from reaching the draining pipes.
It looks like the gravel is too fine to allow good water flow. Needs to be 1 inch gravel for any reasonable water flow/ catchment and larger holes in the pipes to Maximise water flow. Cheers Steve Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
I'm hard headed like Carson, i have paid my fair share of dollars in mistakes. Learning has not been free for me.
It's the same for me porky! I try to listen to those who know more than I do. 👍
What a waste of your time, though Carson paid for everything but your time. Makes me feel like he should of done this all himself and don't even waste your time on that property. I do love that you shared it with us so we can see the mistakes of others. Must be a good family friend if you are wasting your time working with him when he clearly doesn't listen to your advice...
19:05 😂 you should mark the pipe and connector before applying the glue.
Some like to do that but I like the glue and smash method because the pipe lands where it wants to be 👍
The thing about a problem: you can do it right going in or pay a whole lot of money correcting what you should have done right in the first place. Either way, you're going to spend the money. It's up to you how much of it and time you're willing to waste.
Very well said
I’d built a berm myself. Making sure the water doesn’t get to the problem area is preferable to piping it out after it got there. But hey, not my house, not my say.
Did the two 6" pipes tying into the catch basin have perforations to accept the water?
So what was his problem with a small berm around the backside of the shop and routing the water into a catch basin farther away from the shop, seem like he was come hell or high water he was going to have a french drain. [lol]
How much extra money would it have actually cost for the extra fittings and the correct drain basin placing?
sounds like Carson just needed to do things right the first time and it would have saved him lot of time and work later.
If your drainage system fails to cope with your water runoff issues try doing what Gate City Foundation Drainage told you to do in the first place. 😂
Haha funny how that logic works!
I always thought of a french drain as being deeper. Were you able to go shallow because of the width?
A french drain needs to be as shallow as possible to achieve fall. You may be thinking of a dry well that someone called a french drain?
Some have lab inspectors, first time we see your duct inspectors. Quack quack
Hello sir, could you find out what size the bigger door is on the garage? I'm in the market for one and his seems like a good size.
It's a 10' tall by 18' wide door. 👍
He also used jack stud openers instead of overhead garage door openers.
@@GCFDare the stud openers better? Or what is the trade off?
@GCFD thanks for the info. I currently have a 16x7 but my garage has 10ft ceiling. I'm planning on raising it to around 9ft tall. And also getting a jackshaft opener.
@thejohnbeck they mount on the side of the door instead of above it. They are super quiet as well. The part I like about them is they run on shaft instead of a track above the door. They start and stop where you want. For instance. A 7ft tall door travels around 7ft across the ceiling. A 8 or 9ft door travels 8 or 9ft across the ceiling. In most cases the 7ft overhead opener track isn't long enough to raise a 8 or 9ft door without hitting the opener. If that makes sense.
I noticed everyone right now is saying “oh I’m just helping a friend” no one has actual jobs right now.🤣
No catch basin. 😂 you’d be correct Shawn
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I think Carson just wanted the CB to see if the darn thing actually works. I question this man's intellect on many levels.
Why not just cut a swale on the outside of the fence?
@@davewoosencraft8376 bingo Dave.
Looks like that 8" pipe has no more holes than the usual 4" pipe. Shouldn't it have more holes to catch more ater?
The 8" was solid and not perforated 👍
Brother, if someone experienced is going to install a free drainage system for me, labor wise, I'm taking their advice!
Great point Barry!
"The poor man pays twice"
Sometimes for sure!
When Carson grows up and becomes a man, he’ll realise he should listen to experts and let them do the job they want to.
He's done exactly that with some drainage work at his house. He had me over there and followed my suggestions with fantastic results 👍
He didnt wanna spend money on fittings from 4 to 8in pipe. I mean how much would it have cost? He bought the catch basin
I know Jacob. Those 8x8x4 wyes were $180 each so that was tough to swallow when he though we could just run the pipe into the catch basin.
@@GCFD you will get to make another video in a year, fixing the problems created by this decision...