Jimmy and Alex were the snooker stars of the eighties, with Kirk Stevens, Cliff and Steve to stiff to enjoy, you need talent, but in life you also need art, flow, creativity, and just plain old badass movements.
it's Great watching the Hurricane play ...I just miss him Because even though he was way past 9 his best he was just box office the GREATEST ÈNTÀIRTÀINER òf thèm aĺl!!!
He should have won 1 world title at least in that era. White beats Griffiths and Knowles best of 25+ comfortably, and doesn't trail Davis 12-4 in a world championship final if fully focused. But sadly he wasn't fully focused in the tournament that mattered most it cost him very dearly. How can you beat Davis 12-6 on day 2 of one world championship final and then lead Hendry 14-8 over 2.75 sessions of another and still not be the world champion? It's very sad that Ebdon was world champion but White wasn't.
@@ianwilliamson2980 If the types of final frames were reversed in 1994 and 2002 and Hendry had any control over them, White probably would have been world champion in 1994 and Hendry the world champion in 2002. Remember it was only 1 frame in it in 2002. Hendry was rsther flat in first 4 frames vs Ebdon after 2 big wins over Doherty in the quarter finals and getting himself extra psyched up for the semi finals with O'Suliivan, but it still went to a decider and if everything had not got so awkward very early (nothing even he could do about it, it does sometimes happen even in frames involving Hendry) in the decider I think it would have went Hendry's way. The type of final frame in 2002 suited Ebdon rather then Hendry or White that after he made his 40 something it proved to be a very useful lead, with all the reds awkwardly situated, big colours out of commission there wasn't a counter winning break for Hendry to punish Ebdon the way he punished White in 1994. Had that type of frame happened in 1994 White would built up a useful lead probably would have been enough for White with more guaranted visits to the table instead of that being his last visit. But in 1994 when all the reds out in the open when White missed the black Hendry was alwsys going to punish White severely for it. Had that type of final frame happened in 2002 instead of that 40 odd from Ebdon, Ebdon would not have had such a useful lead as Hendry even not on top form he would still probably scored enough to punish Ebdon with the counter break even if he wouldn't have totally cleared the table.
@ian williamson no alex was on another level ian. Alex saftey play was much better and all round play, he was a better tactical player. But he was past his best here. All true natural genius players have got the bottle to see it through when it really matters. Jimmy didnt have that. If jimmy played in 12 world finals he still wouldnt have won. He crumbled at the last hurdle. I believe the word genius gets used far to much in sport, but alex was one of them. Like george best, muhammed ali, alex higgins played his best when up against the best and with his back to the wall. Just like best and ali. Jimmy couldnt do that.
Love that shot from Higgins to pot a red,like a blur and even Ted Low said 'like a bullet from a gun'. First to 5 frames and we are talking "Whirlwind" White and "Hurricane" Higgins...this match wouldn't have been a drawn out affair!!!😂
White would probably have won one in the 1970's where players didn't have to be as dedicated as in the 1980's. Maybe in 1982 as well where Davis the first totally dedicated player got knocked out in first round certainly boosted White's hopes significantly. In 1982 it was either one or the other who made the final. Higgins won 1982 but White could have won had be beaten Higgins in semi. No guarantee he would have beaten Reardon. Reardon was 15-15 with Higgins after all so no guarantee that White would have beaten Reardon
It's funny, i seem to remember this was the season curtain opener around September back in the day, but we never got to see it in England cos i think this was just bbc Scotland
Also did Higgins cost White a World championships? And I don't mean just their world semi final meeting in 1982. Some of the 'alcohol induced?' losses White suffered over best of 25+ in the 1980's were astounding vs Knowles and Griffiths. White also outplayed Davis 12-6 on day 2 in 1984 world championship final 'once the effect from alcohol from the all night bender had finally worn off to allow White to be able to focus properly?', but still he couldn't win the world title as he left himself far too much to do 4-12 after day 1. Going on those all night benders with Higgins who was White's mentor must have cost White very dearly. Did Higgins think that White would still make the world final even drinking 15+ pints of beer badly affecting his focus against Knowles and Griffiths in world qusrter finals and world semi finals? Fully focused White doesn't lose to Knowles and Griffiths in a best of 25 or a best of 31. Higgins obviously believed in White's ability to win the world title (he clearly had the tslent and all the tools to be world champion. He was far more than just good enough to be world champion.) so much that he thought White could do so even staggering around the table and struggling to avoid falling over for a day or 2 against fully focused opponents on the way to the final. But that was just crazy.
Nah he spoke to Williams immediadely after his shot, and again at the end of the frame. Williams was a miserable sod & he was wrong in the fact it wasn't putting off either Higgins or White.
@@bonkersbeast - Nope, Williams was just a no nonsense referee and that's why Higgins always had a problem with him. There wasn't another professional in the game that ever had an issue with Williams..
The best part of these classic game vids is that there is no insidious, waste of time, rubbish 'foul miss' calls. They don't even bat an eye on a foul, just get on with it! Listen... if the rule was made to stamp out corruption from the game (that I've loved my whole life), then how's that working out for you IBSF? 🤔
The effects of the 15+ pints of beer or whatever he drank was still wearing off White while transitioning from drunk to sober on day 1 of world championship final va Davis in 1984. On day 2 finally sober vs Davis he outplays him 12-6.
Lowe was an enthusiastic amateur player who managed Leicester Square hall in London so probably was a good deal more knowledgeable than most TH-cam commentators!
They had to bring in the miss rule to make the player try again. Over the years it watching the old games it was worth giving away four points to miss, and alot did win frames becouse of it. A cant believe it took so long but to do it. A even said as a kid, they should be made to play that shot again and then lose the frame if its obvoius they can hit that ball.
Players found it better to deliberately miss the red with the likelihood of the cue ball going into the top corner pocket, then suddenly the cue ball was put inside the D at the other end of the table by the referee, they gave 4 away but the opponent who received the 4 points did not benefit.
@user-nm3qs4uv6x you are what's commonly known as a clueless "see you next tuesday." You most likely wouldn't be watching snooker on T.V. today if it wasn't for the Hurricane. The sum of his parts are what dragged snooker out of the darkness. You don't have to be a robotic prolific winner to be THE GREATEST EVER. Jimmy, for one of many, would never have picked up a cue if it wasn't for Alex.
@@johnmc3862 What's that got to do with my comment ? But, since you brought it up, name me just ONE shot that Jimmy "pioneered" that Alex hadn't played years before. We are blessed with youtube and there are hundreds of posts of the "Hurricane" you should try watching a few to see exactly what shots were pioneered by Higgins long before Jimmy was even an itch in his dad's sack. Charles Caleb Coulton coined the phrase "Imitation is the sincerest of flattery." All ANY flamboyant snooker player is doing (though some may be better at it nowadays and more prolific winners.) is immitating Higgins.
About bleeding time they took this down in 2018 nice to see it back.
Why?
@@parksyist Probably because the channel doesn't exist anymore
the most impressive part of that match was when Jimmy downed his pint in three seconds after he won.
Enjoying this upload.
Really miss the old arena set-ups of flowers, nicely done table cloths etc. They make zero effort this century.
Yeah it’s all too clinical. One name, Barry Hearn.
@@johnmc3862 He must've loved watching Tron and thought "If only I could apply that to snooker."
That red higgins potted at 34.30 was unbelievable.
Very entertaining game of snooker, these guys had flair and guts , enjoyed the game and liked to party. Great fun to watch
Two brilliant players, love em. In my eyes, they are my all time faves x❤
Jimmy and Alex were the snooker stars of the eighties, with Kirk Stevens, Cliff and Steve to stiff to enjoy, you need talent, but in life you also need art, flow, creativity, and just plain old badass movements.
Kirk Stevens 147 against Jimmy...one of the most riveting frames in snooker history
it's Great watching the Hurricane play ...I just miss him Because even though he was way past 9 his best he was just box office the GREATEST ÈNTÀIRTÀINER òf thèm aĺl!!!
14:14 The Referee John Williams has a go at a pot and a plant - knocking them both over. Think they got a kick.
Amazing how much cue power Higgins had considering his unorthodox action
Yeah and his size .never seen any could hit it as hard . rocket shots he had
Most people think Joe Johnson won only the World Championship but he won this event as well.
Those were the days: both players supplied with one bottle of Langs best whisky which had to be consumed during the match.
Whiskey for Alex.
Bushmills for Alex!
Dougie Donnelly, he did it all in terms of presrenting sport based in Scotland on BBC TV Scotland.
No other player could make the shots Alex made. His use of side was out of this universe!
more Alex's matches please!!!!
there was never a more natrual talent than jimmy
He should have won 1 world title at least in that era. White beats Griffiths and Knowles best of 25+ comfortably, and doesn't trail Davis 12-4 in a world championship final if fully focused. But sadly he wasn't fully focused in the tournament that mattered most it cost him very dearly.
How can you beat Davis 12-6 on day 2 of one world championship final and then lead Hendry 14-8 over 2.75 sessions of another and still not be the world champion?
It's very sad that Ebdon was world champion but White wasn't.
@@dvidclapperton yeah Jimmy was much better than ebdon.he caught hendry in a off day ebdon
@@ianwilliamson2980
If the types of final frames were reversed in 1994 and 2002 and Hendry had any control over them, White probably would have been world champion in 1994 and Hendry the world champion in 2002. Remember it was only 1 frame in it in 2002. Hendry was rsther flat in first 4 frames vs Ebdon after 2 big wins over Doherty in the quarter finals and getting himself extra psyched up for the semi finals with O'Suliivan, but it still went to a decider and if everything had not got so awkward very early (nothing even he could do about it, it does sometimes happen even in frames involving Hendry) in the decider I think it would have went Hendry's way.
The type of final frame in 2002 suited Ebdon rather then Hendry or White that after he made his 40 something it proved to be a very useful lead, with all the reds awkwardly situated, big colours out of commission there wasn't a counter winning break for Hendry to punish Ebdon the way he punished White in 1994. Had that type of frame happened in 1994 White would built up a useful lead probably would have been enough for White with more guaranted visits to the table instead of that being his last visit. But in 1994 when all the reds out in the open when White missed the black Hendry was alwsys going to punish White severely for it. Had that type of final frame happened in 2002 instead of that 40 odd from Ebdon, Ebdon would not have had such a useful lead as Hendry even not on top form he would still probably scored enough to punish Ebdon with the counter break even if he wouldn't have totally cleared the table.
@@dvidclapperton yeah hendry was on poor form same in Ken's win .
@ian williamson no alex was on another level ian. Alex saftey play was much better and all round play, he was a better tactical player. But he was past his best here. All true natural genius players have got the bottle to see it through when it really matters. Jimmy didnt have that. If jimmy played in 12 world finals he still wouldnt have won. He crumbled at the last hurdle. I believe the word genius gets used far to much in sport, but alex was one of them. Like george best, muhammed ali, alex higgins played his best when up against the best and with his back to the wall. Just like best and ali. Jimmy couldnt do that.
higgins was like a ferret he never let go
Man the bags we're massive back then
At 108.05, LOVELY STUFF!😀😀😀
Love that shot from Higgins to pot a red,like a blur and even Ted Low said 'like a bullet from a gun'.
First to 5 frames and we are talking "Whirlwind" White and "Hurricane" Higgins...this match wouldn't have been a drawn out affair!!!😂
Thank God for youtube
these two players made snooker in the eighties .without them it was boaring really.
White would probably have won one in the 1970's where players didn't have to be as dedicated as in the 1980's. Maybe in 1982 as well where Davis the first totally dedicated player got knocked out in first round certainly boosted White's hopes significantly.
In 1982 it was either one or the other who made the final. Higgins won 1982 but White could have won had be beaten Higgins in semi. No guarantee he would have beaten Reardon. Reardon was 15-15 with Higgins after all so no guarantee that White would have beaten Reardon
It's funny, i seem to remember this was the season curtain opener around September back in the day, but we never got to see it in England cos i think this was just bbc Scotland
Beer, now you see it, now you don't 1:08:04
how jimmy dident win a world title in eighties is beyond belief with his skill
Also did Higgins cost White a World championships?
And I don't mean just their world semi final meeting in 1982.
Some of the 'alcohol induced?' losses White suffered over best of 25+ in the 1980's were astounding vs Knowles and Griffiths. White also outplayed Davis 12-6 on day 2 in 1984 world championship final 'once the effect from alcohol from the all night bender had finally worn off to allow White to be able to focus properly?', but still he couldn't win the world title as he left himself far too much to do 4-12 after day 1.
Going on those all night benders with Higgins who was White's mentor must have cost White very dearly. Did Higgins think that White would still make the world final even drinking 15+ pints of beer badly affecting his focus against Knowles and Griffiths in world qusrter finals and world semi finals? Fully focused White doesn't lose to Knowles and Griffiths in a best of 25 or a best of 31.
Higgins obviously believed in White's ability to win the world title (he clearly had the tslent and all the tools to be world champion. He was far more than just good enough to be world champion.) so much that he thought White could do so even staggering around the table and struggling to avoid falling over for a day or 2 against fully focused opponents on the way to the final. But that was just crazy.
He lacked fight and lacked tactical accumen, cunning and guile.
@@markdrinkwater1508 i know but his skill should have won him one or two.think it was the booze and late nights really rather than these you said
The answer to that steve davis
@@JasonWheeler-q3r no white could beat Davis and if sobered would have
That pink to go 4-3 up was an absolute shocker from Higgins, cost him big time
20:20
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You can always pay youtube to go premium, you won't get adverts then.
Alex finding any excuse to mump about something as usual. Williams had reprimanded the crowd way before Higgins had addressed his shot.. 🙄
Nah he spoke to Williams immediadely after his shot, and again at the end of the frame. Williams was a miserable sod & he was wrong in the fact it wasn't putting off either Higgins or White.
@@bonkersbeast - Nope, Williams was just a no nonsense referee and that's why Higgins always had a problem with him. There wasn't another professional in the game that ever had an issue with Williams..
JW in his prime was as exciting if not more than JT or even, perhaps, RoS.
The best part of these classic game vids is that there is no insidious, waste of time, rubbish 'foul miss' calls. They don't even bat an eye on a foul, just get on with it! Listen... if the rule was made to stamp out corruption from the game (that I've loved my whole life), then how's that working out for you IBSF? 🤔
The bloody coughing in the audience!!!!!!!!
The same woman on every shot...
20:23 best shot
Before jimmy needed the rug.
Thirsty at the end there Jimmy...
Terry Griffiths scrapped through against a completely out of form neal folds 😂
Wow jimmys got hair again 😂
The last pre-barnett White.
@@johnmc3862 yeah 😂
jimmy is looking quite good here for a change.must have been off the booze a bit this week.
The effects of the 15+ pints of beer or whatever he drank was still wearing off White while transitioning from drunk to sober on day 1 of world championship final va Davis in 1984.
On day 2 finally sober vs Davis he outplays him 12-6.
@@dvidclapperton crazy
He was drinking during this match!!😂.x
Know I bet he was having a sneaky sniff before intervals!!!!
@@johnkelly1566 nothing would surprise me with these two lol
Ted lowe was fuckin clueless
You messing ? 😮
I'm sure Ted Lowe wasn't really an expert despite him being the number one snooker commentator on the BBC.
He was great IMO, spoke in moderation and far better than Virgo.
@@bonkersbeast
Yes. Virgo was only the summariser of the commentary team way back then, not the main commentator.
Lowe was an enthusiastic amateur player who managed Leicester Square hall in London so probably was a good deal more knowledgeable than most TH-cam commentators!
alex looks half sozzled here as game goes on.
No doubt hé is intoxicated, but that was his style and charisma, in later years it became his weakness
Those were the days: both players supplied with one bottle of Langs best whisky which had to be consumed during the match
@@adrianwright8685 yeah right
@@adrianwright8685 it was vodka that Alex drank always and lagar
alex dident like this ref john
Not sure he liked any ref. Apart from maybe Len Ganley
@@chrisjames9688 yeah i agree.len being irish too liked alex
@@chrisjames9688 I remember Len smiling when hendry got fluke against davis.davis wasent smiling though.
He headbutted John Williams and received a huge fine and got a ban and ranking points from the WPBSA saw him slip down the rankings.
@@dvidclapperton it wasent John Williams he headbutted but a wpbsa official.i remember it
They had to bring in the miss rule to make the player try again. Over the years it watching the old games it was worth giving away four points to miss, and alot did win frames becouse of it. A cant believe it took so long but to do it. A even said as a kid, they should be made to play that shot again and then lose the frame if its obvoius they can hit that ball.
Players found it better to deliberately miss the red with the likelihood of the cue ball going into the top corner pocket, then suddenly the cue ball was put inside the D at the other end of the table by the referee, they gave 4 away but the opponent who received the 4 points did not benefit.
Higgins was so overrated
@user-nm3qs4uv6x you are what's commonly known as a clueless "see you next tuesday." You most likely wouldn't be watching snooker on T.V. today if it wasn't for the Hurricane. The sum of his parts are what dragged snooker out of the darkness. You don't have to be a robotic prolific winner to be THE GREATEST EVER. Jimmy, for one of many, would never have picked up a cue if it wasn't for Alex.
Nonsense. He pioneered a lot of the games shots.
@@johnmc3862 What's that got to do with my comment ? But, since you brought it up, name me just ONE shot that Jimmy "pioneered" that Alex hadn't played years before. We are blessed with youtube and there are hundreds of posts of the "Hurricane" you should try watching a few to see exactly what shots were pioneered by Higgins long before Jimmy was even an itch in his dad's sack. Charles Caleb Coulton coined the phrase "Imitation is the sincerest of flattery." All ANY flamboyant snooker player is doing (though some may be better at it nowadays and more prolific winners.) is immitating Higgins.
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