I've been an advocate of using the bulk of an Ork army to preventing deepstrike for ages. Better yet, leave the one spot open that your open can deep strike into as a trap for the unwary. The smart opponent will save their deep strike for later turns of the game or bring the in on his own side.
Better yet, leave a gap open to tempt them to attempt pouring their offfensive troops through where your Orks are waiting for them with Dakka and Krumpin' Meanwhile any fliers of your own can buzz across your Mek Workshop line and take out specific targets. I'm glad to hear you say that it "breaks the game" because I would never resort to such tactics in anything other than a friendly game against a good buddy and for funsies. Then we could swap places and let him play the Orks. I truly hope no Ork player has the audacity to attempt this tactic at a tournament, even if it is rules legal. In my gaming circles using such tactics will result in the Ork player having difficulty finding anyone to play on a regular basis. Having said that, it's good to see the Mek Workshop "Unit" have a good reason to get played.
Corrections 1. HILLS, INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES, SEALED BUILDINGS AND ARMOURED CONTAINERS - models can be set up on top of or end a move on top of, provided the model’s base does not overhang the terrain feature (if the model does not have a base, no part of that model that would be in contact with the battlefield at ground level can overhang that terrain feature) You would need to get all the bits on the Hill 2. Ruins - Infantry, Beasts and Fly models can be set up or end a move on any floor level of this terrain feature, but if that level is not the ground floor, such models can only do so if their base does not overhang the floor at that level (if a model does not have a base, no part of that model that would be in contact with the battlefield at ground level can overhang that floor). All other models can only be set up or end a move on the ground floor of this terrain feature. Vehicles have to set up on the ground floor
Im soooooo krumpin' glad I found your channel. One day I aspire to your levels of Orkoid ingenuity and genius. Also, you probably already know this, but Ghaz can go in the regular truck taking up one slot, along with 10 extra mega nobz since they don't have the mega armor keyword.
That’s a crazy insight! Fits Orks perfectly. And since aren’t that quick with FAQs or Errata, we’re pretty much good to go with the shenanigans! Waaghsome video once again, keep up the energy for this new subscriber.
You are obviously a BloodAxe in disguise ... Stunningly, near immortal fortification & trukks ... Mork forbid a Mek or 3 are hanging around the shop (never death)
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta All cheese is anti fun. The game takes so much time, money, and effort just to play i don't understand the idea of ruining it with using things that are clearly not fun to play against. Just orks of all factions seems like using cheese goes against everything the army stands for. To each their own just don't be surprised that when people use tactics like this they start having a hard time finding opponents.
NO! I had the same idea today when taking time to see the new index and points. Now it defently gets nerfed. I had 2 kannonwagons in 9th and oow boy Mek workshop lets go!
Its interesting. The only inherent flaw I see is that I can't find anything that let's you set a fortification up outside of your DZ. If I'm missing it, let me know, but I had a similar thought when I was reading the index, and couldn't find a single rule that would allow me to put it outside of the DZ! Gonna throw you a sub, man, You are definitely a kunnin' boss
Only problem... those walls aren't part of the Mek Workshop. On the back of the box it clearly marks only the workbench part as "Mek Workshop" The other pieces are Ork Barricades and labeled as such. It does need to be FAQ'd for clarity... but this tactic doesn't actually work.
It's been ruled dozens of times by GW that the barricades are part of the Mekboy Workshop unit. More problematic is that GW has officially discontinued the kit, so as soon as the Codex drops it will disappear from being an available unit.
Ork arty on a workshop with bossbunka. Use the long range sniping. There are several things wrong with he data cards. I expect them to be updated soon.
I expect GW to fix the Keywords on the data sheets and do something about fortifications. I'm not sure they can actually fix this cleanly though. Giving them a stat line and making them a unit was a mistake.
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta sorry if im wrong but the fortifications that dont specify they can deep strike still need to be in your deployment zone and 3 inches away from other terrain so it should help while not being such a large movement blocker and being hard to deploy right ?
wasn't done with the video but i think the fortification keyword will also not let you deploy on terrain even though its a unit tho thats assuming gw rule writers can write correctly
@harry-gi7es The fortification does need to be in your own deployment zone, which is what I showed in the video. The terrain was changed in the Rules Commentary that now it can't be on the terrain, however it does not have to be 3" away. It is still a single *model* and not terrain itself.
Mostly! You realistically cannot take more than 1 in a 2K point game because there's nowhere to put it all with terrain AND your own forces cannot go on it. Still, 1 is absolutely worth taking!
What about unit coherency? The workshop comes with 7 pieces, models, which means that each model must be within 2" of two other models. Stretching it out in one line means the end two pieces are not within rwo other models......
The only official mission we have so far is the one at the very end of the 10th Core Rules, which has a no man's land across 24" of the middle of the table and the rest of the table on either side is the deployment zones which measure 44x18 or 44x33 depending on the size of your game. I was showing a 44x33.
Well, I am considering to start my first army by kitbashing a Stompa, some Grot tanks (proxy for Mek Gunz and/or Killa-Kans), purchasing some Gork/Mork-anauts and Meks... Seems like now I need also one or more Mekboy Workshop, and maybe a bossbunka :P Heck I can say for fluff it's all managed by grots, save the Mex ofc. If I find some cheap airfighter model I'll maybe kitbash some bomber... Ok, I'm getting overhyped xD p.s. Does someone have any suggestions on how to best make this kitbashing project? :)
As you do these sort of videos you may want to cover the lack of the character keyword on the Deffkilla wartrike - Pros doesn't give up assassinate points and can't be targeted by Precision - Cons can't be given enhancements My guess it's yet another miss print
Core Rules state that movement of "-" cannot ever be modified to have a move, advance, fall back, or charge. Unfortunately. The Guard has an order that could have made their wall move 3", though it does still score OC.
What are the rules for deploying fortification in 10th? Cant you only deploy in your own deployment zone? Also it says on the keywords it has "Fortification" keyword. surely that must mean something
It's still in stock at a lot of places online and the ruins parts are in a lot of terrain kits including the KT add on and Speed Freeks. All you would need is to make the bench/crane combo.
Broken? no :) but fine for some cover for shooting units. Thing is, we cant win a shootout, and you need to get out on the board to score objectives to win
@@GeneJordan that doesn't work as well because the MW is a vehicle, so if they are deployed embarked, the MW is what is doing the shooting with their weapons.
@GeneJordan yes, you're right, that's only the Big Ead Bossbunka. The MekBoy Workshop doesn't have Transport so other units can't go in it. They can shoot from behind it though.
That's a really good point! Even without the fORKtress idea, just snaking it through your deployment zone to keep deep strikers away is worth 80 points. Ultimate screener!
Thats the point. The enemy gonna waste precious anti tank ressources shooting at a 80points wall. Or leave it there and let you have cover and heal on all your vehicles
I believe you're completely wrong about the unit on terrain, they've clarified that you must be wholly on top of and not extending over terrain, they used the example of a drukkari raider on a building.
So the rest of the model thats not placed on the terrain feature, is invalidating the position on the terrain piece from what I understand exactly because its one model.
@@MarketResearchReading114 You are absolutely correct, which is why this will often not work at all. Most tables are going to be cluttered with the existing terrain before you set it up and therefore its setup may actually be rather difficult and will certainly have gaps, etc.
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This is the most cunning but brutal strategy, Mork would be proud
The wildest part imo is the fact it prevents deepstrike into your back line.
Indeed! That alone makes it worth it, plus the 12" range to fix 2D3 damage on ALL vehicles every turn.
I've been an advocate of using the bulk of an Ork army to preventing deepstrike for ages. Better yet, leave the one spot open that your open can deep strike into as a trap for the unwary.
The smart opponent will save their deep strike for later turns of the game or bring the in on his own side.
Better yet, leave a gap open to tempt them to attempt pouring their offfensive troops through where your Orks are waiting for them with Dakka and Krumpin'
Meanwhile any fliers of your own can buzz across your Mek Workshop line and take out specific targets.
I'm glad to hear you say that it "breaks the game" because I would never resort to such tactics in anything other than a friendly game against a good buddy and for funsies. Then we could swap places and let him play the Orks.
I truly hope no Ork player has the audacity to attempt this tactic at a tournament, even if it is rules legal.
In my gaming circles using such tactics will result in the Ork player having difficulty finding anyone to play on a regular basis.
Having said that, it's good to see the Mek Workshop "Unit" have a good reason to get played.
Corrections
1. HILLS, INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES, SEALED BUILDINGS
AND ARMOURED CONTAINERS - models can
be set up on top of or end a move on top of, provided
the model’s base does not overhang the terrain feature
(if the model does not have a base, no part of that
model that would be in contact with the battlefield
at ground level can overhang that terrain feature)
You would need to get all the bits on the Hill
2. Ruins - Infantry, Beasts and Fly models
can be set up or end a move on any
floor level of this terrain feature, but
if that level is not the ground floor,
such models can only do so if their
base does not overhang the floor at
that level (if a model does not have a
base, no part of that model that would
be in contact with the battlefield at
ground level can overhang that floor).
All other models can only be set up or
end a move on the ground floor of this
terrain feature.
Vehicles have to set up on the ground floor
Good point on the vehicle bit interacting with terrain. So it can't go over the top, but you can still snake it wherever else on the battlefield.
While I definitely expect this to be FAQ'd, from a lore perspective "dat's so zoggin' orky" and I absolutely love it. 😂
Im soooooo krumpin' glad I found your channel. One day I aspire to your levels of Orkoid ingenuity and genius. Also, you probably already know this, but Ghaz can go in the regular truck taking up one slot, along with 10 extra mega nobz since they don't have the mega armor keyword.
Know it, hell I made the video about it yesterday! You can also put him and and the Meganobz in a Big'Ead Bossbunka. Glad to have you here!
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta Face palming so hard right now, I just watched that one.
That’s a crazy insight! Fits Orks perfectly. And since aren’t that quick with FAQs or Errata, we’re pretty much good to go with the shenanigans! Waaghsome video once again, keep up the energy for this new subscriber.
I suspect GW will fix the Mega Armor keyword issue in an FAQ pretty quickly, but Fortifications are going to need a lot of help.
Great video. Bought your 1K list as a starting point for 10th as a new player so really looking forward to more content.
"there was more" xD
I love this video ! best forktress ever !
WAAAGH
im really zoggin happy i found dis
This is a savage Ork
Now that is brutally cunning, and cunningly brutal.
Genius, now I have buy 2 of them now
this is so broken the rules will change in a week. I wouldnt run out and buy one
And yet here we are and no FAQ yet...
I love this, I'm on the edge of buying 2 workshops and 2 meks.
truly a mind blessed by mork
What allows you to deploy your unit outside your Deployment zone?
I believe that was for example purposes.
Bro is giving out all the secrets early.
Orkstanding!
Hahahaha i'm gonna suprise my buddy with this. He's gonna quit 😂😂😂
Imagine trying to keep a straight face while playing an opponent in this way 😅
We'z orkz! We always kunnin'
Its orkish... I like it
Datz Zoggin geniessus......brillanti....ded gud!!!
Oh my...
Um... I mean WAAUUGGH!
GW should release more ork buildings
Absolutely!!
Did you see Eons of Battle's Ork terrain to add to Octarius?
Ork logic
You missed that the mek also gives vehicle units lone operative meaning the bunker cant be targeted outside of 12 inches
Holy moly, that's awesome!
That’s not correct, the mek gains lone operative if he’s next to a vehicle so he can’t be shot
It's about being fun and annoying. It's the ork way.
You are obviously a BloodAxe in disguise ... Stunningly, near immortal fortification & trukks ... Mork forbid a Mek or 3 are hanging around the shop (never death)
Holy shit!
when people do this sort of thing in table top games you got to ask yourself who is this fun for?
Really? 30MW Kararkin bombs and 12 Aeldari Fate Dice don't bother you but a wall that can be killed fairly easily does?
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta All cheese is anti fun. The game takes so much time, money, and effort just to play i don't understand the idea of ruining it with using things that are clearly not fun to play against. Just orks of all factions seems like using cheese goes against everything the army stands for. To each their own just don't be surprised that when people use tactics like this they start having a hard time finding opponents.
I've never played warhammer but this is very funny to me good video :)
NO! I had the same idea today when taking time to see the new index and points. Now it defently gets nerfed. I had 2 kannonwagons in 9th and oow boy Mek workshop lets go!
Wow! Where can you buy these?
They are out of production unfortunately 😥
Its interesting. The only inherent flaw I see is that I can't find anything that let's you set a fortification up outside of your DZ. If I'm missing it, let me know, but I had a similar thought when I was reading the index, and couldn't find a single rule that would allow me to put it outside of the DZ! Gonna throw you a sub, man, You are definitely a kunnin' boss
It's in my DZ in the whole video ;) 3000 point table DZ dimension is 44" x 30".
Only problem... those walls aren't part of the Mek Workshop.
On the back of the box it clearly marks only the workbench part as "Mek Workshop" The other pieces are Ork Barricades and labeled as such. It does need to be FAQ'd for clarity... but this tactic doesn't actually work.
It's been ruled dozens of times by GW that the barricades are part of the Mekboy Workshop unit.
More problematic is that GW has officially discontinued the kit, so as soon as the Codex drops it will disappear from being an available unit.
Ork arty on a workshop with bossbunka. Use the long range sniping.
There are several things wrong with he data cards. I expect them to be updated soon.
I expect GW to fix the Keywords on the data sheets and do something about fortifications. I'm not sure they can actually fix this cleanly though. Giving them a stat line and making them a unit was a mistake.
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta sorry if im wrong but the fortifications that dont specify they can deep strike still need to be in your deployment zone and 3 inches away from other terrain so it should help while not being such a large movement blocker and being hard to deploy right ?
wasn't done with the video but i think the fortification keyword will also not let you deploy on terrain even though its a unit tho thats assuming gw rule writers can write correctly
@@harry-gi7es interesting. Haven't looked at other terrain other than the Bossbunka which is also a transport.
@harry-gi7es The fortification does need to be in your own deployment zone, which is what I showed in the video. The terrain was changed in the Rules Commentary that now it can't be on the terrain, however it does not have to be 3" away. It is still a single *model* and not terrain itself.
Can only be deployed in your deployment zone since it can’t infiltrate
It is in my deployment zone
Did it get errataed or does this still work?
Mostly! You realistically cannot take more than 1 in a 2K point game because there's nowhere to put it all with terrain AND your own forces cannot go on it. Still, 1 is absolutely worth taking!
What about unit coherency? The workshop comes with 7 pieces, models, which means that each model must be within 2" of two other models. Stretching it out in one line means the end two pieces are not within rwo other models......
It's not a unit of 7, it's a unit of 1. Look at the datasheet and follow the setup instructions on it.
Yeah it's cool but killing a 10 wound vehicle isn't hard with activating 1 antitank unit.
Forcing your opponent to waste their high points anti-tank shooting on an 80 point wall preserves the rest of your army.
I'm a bit confused where your deployment zone is in some of these scenarios.
The only official mission we have so far is the one at the very end of the 10th Core Rules, which has a no man's land across 24" of the middle of the table and the rest of the table on either side is the deployment zones which measure 44x18 or 44x33 depending on the size of your game. I was showing a 44x33.
Wait, are vehicles allowed to deploy on/in terrain now?
No, GW changed that with the "Rules Commentary" 2 days after this came out.
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta ::sigh:: Guess I 'm going to go read that now.
This is a great unit and its such a shame that GW have discontinued it.
Agreed. I'm afraid this one is gone forever. I'm so happy I have one, it's my favorite terrain.
Yes, but how do you score when you do this lol
Well, I am considering to start my first army by kitbashing a Stompa, some Grot tanks (proxy for Mek Gunz and/or Killa-Kans), purchasing some Gork/Mork-anauts and Meks...
Seems like now I need also one or more Mekboy Workshop, and maybe a bossbunka :P
Heck I can say for fluff it's all managed by grots, save the Mex ofc. If I find some cheap airfighter model I'll maybe kitbash some bomber... Ok, I'm getting overhyped xD
p.s. Does someone have any suggestions on how to best make this kitbashing project? :)
You iz kunnin! Good beard.
As you do these sort of videos you may want to cover the lack of the character keyword on the Deffkilla wartrike
- Pros doesn't give up assassinate points and can't be targeted by Precision
- Cons can't be given enhancements
My guess it's yet another miss print
Woah, that's a good one I missed!
You can't overhang when placing models on terrain, it will be very difficult to actually set up.
Correct. That was FAQ'd after this video was made, so ignore that section.
You kunning bastork 😂
I like it all apart from the lack of foresight about Ghaz being infantry - that’s exploiting semantics
Not semantics, and Orks are from the only Index to be riddled with Keyword issues. GW needs to do a major clean-up on the cards!
Very orky
Oi boss there's no rule dat sez FORTYFICAYSHUNS can't make charge moves eitha.
Oi calls it "Da Deadly Gazebo" stratagee.
Core Rules state that movement of "-" cannot ever be modified to have a move, advance, fall back, or charge. Unfortunately. The Guard has an order that could have made their wall move 3", though it does still score OC.
What are the rules for deploying fortification in 10th? Cant you only deploy in your own deployment zone? Also it says on the keywords it has "Fortification" keyword. surely that must mean something
Yes in your own deployment zone, which is 44"x33" for the only legal mission released so far. So far the "Fortification" keyword doesn't do a thing.
Now wait...there`s more
Nooooo GW don't sell the workshop any more 😢
If anything could be made of literal junk, it'd be this
It's still in stock at a lot of places online and the ruins parts are in a lot of terrain kits including the KT add on and Speed Freeks. All you would need is to make the bench/crane combo.
Oi oi oi!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Broken? no :) but fine for some cover for shooting units.
Thing is, we cant win a shootout, and you need to get out on the board to score objectives to win
2x Mekboy Workshop
2x Mek
3x Big Mek w/SAG
3x3 Mek Guns
3x10 Kommandos
Or build it around your unit(s) of Lootas and/or Mek Gunz on your own objective to give them some additional protection from incoming fire.
@@GeneJordan that doesn't work as well because the MW is a vehicle, so if they are deployed embarked, the MW is what is doing the shooting with their weapons.
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta I thought that only applied to the Big Boss Bunker.
The Mekboy Workshop doesn't have a Transport Capacity.
@GeneJordan yes, you're right, that's only the Big Ead Bossbunka. The MekBoy Workshop doesn't have Transport so other units can't go in it. They can shoot from behind it though.
no g.
I knew there was a reason why I wanted to print this stupid thing out, lol. The guard one is kind of insane too !
would stop anyone from deepstiking in behind you. grey knights would hate this...
That's a really good point! Even without the fORKtress idea, just snaking it through your deployment zone to keep deep strikers away is worth 80 points. Ultimate screener!
Very amusing and great video - please let this be a joke or it represents all that is wrong with wargames and wargamers!
Orks are supposed to be hilarious but actually kunnin'! I don't think this will stay and it certainly isn't actually competitive, but it is hilarious.
What am I missing? Can't you just shoot it? 10 wounds at 3+ because of cover isn't thaaat hard to kill. Being only 80 points is pretty great though.
Thats the point. The enemy gonna waste precious anti tank ressources shooting at a 80points wall. Or leave it there and let you have cover and heal on all your vehicles
thats all fine... but i think that GW will fix those things pretty quickly... nice vid though 🖖
oh.. and...
WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!
Until they do it's totally legal though!!
I believe you're completely wrong about the unit on terrain, they've clarified that you must be wholly on top of and not extending over terrain, they used the example of a drukkari raider on a building.
So the rest of the model thats not placed on the terrain feature, is invalidating the position on the terrain piece from what I understand exactly because its one model.
@@MarketResearchReading114 You are absolutely correct, which is why this will often not work at all. Most tables are going to be cluttered with the existing terrain before you set it up and therefore its setup may actually be rather difficult and will certainly have gaps, etc.
Yeah that was the new document released today. Still, you can wind around all the terrain just fine.
Especially if you have 2-3 of them ^^
@@DaRedWunzGoFasta see my comment on this