Stihl ms660 vs. ms461 - Stockers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2019
- Both of these saws are bone stock, period.
Oregon LW (33" when measured like a 32"er ) 110 driver 3/8 bar.
Somewhere around 3900' in the sky - so the air is starting to get thin.
As stated, the Stihl corporation stated for years the 660 had the best power to weight ratio of any production - 7.0 hp if memory serves. Claimed weight on the 3/4 wrap version was 16.8lbs.
The printed literature on the 461 states it has 6.0 hp. Claimed weight on the R saw is 15.72lbs.
Starting ~ the 1/4 mark in the 34th second on the 660 and ending ~ 1/2 way through the 2nd second in the 3rd minute nets 28.25 seconds. The 461 hit wood at the end of the 58th second and ended about 1/2 of the way through the 31st in the 8th minute. From my observation, the 461 was right around 32.5/6 seconds. The 660 easily handles the 461 by 4 seconds as we see here. There is no replacement for displacement except a good zippkit - as we have see in some of the previous videos where a nicely modded 461 mops up on this 660.
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Always enjoy the head-to-head videos, thanks for posting.
Nice tool pouch and the saws are dang good also.
Yeppers ... kinda shows a guy what’s what once the big-boy bars are on both saws ... also demonstrates what a zipped 461 can do (previous video) - if anyone doubts the juice produced , the tape don’t lie !
I have a 25 inch bar on mine with a full comp chain that thing is a beast! It burns threw red oak like a champ! Wouldn't put any longer bar on it.
The 660 sounds pretty smooth.
Jack I noticed you having the same interesting experiences as myself with the husky/Oregon sometimes playing its tricks on not immediately relaying a true tension. And then having to adjust again or maybe multiple times after rolling the chain around because it's too tight. And that's with new bars sometimes and sometimes not. I like Oregon chain, Carlton and Stihl but dang the Oregon can be fussy at times. Hope all is well friend!!! Hello from eastern wa
Eric hi. I think you will find the chain will get a fuzz more tight after the bar nuts are cinched down. I have found that all saws act pretty much the same way in that regard. Sometimes, I will get it (another one of those fuzz things) a bit to tight initially. Then, well, you know the drill.....
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I wish I had any amount of wood to cut. I can’t even feed my 362. Wish I had some wood to justify a 661
I got a 660. 36. Carb. Wouldn't mind hoping it up
What type of screwdriver are you using? Do you have a link or picture of it? I have a MS462. Thank you.
Finom 1 hi.
Are you talking about the scrwench? If so, any decent saw shop on the West Coast should have one like it.
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Yes the one for the carb. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with the world!!!
Finom 1 hi.
Because I cannot remember....
If it is orange, then it's one I picked up in the mid/late 90s on the North Oregon coast. If it is black then it's one of the old 181 - 2101s originals from in the 80s.
Probably cannot buy the orange one any more and the Husky version has been nla for years.
The standard Stihl orange one works well also and you can pick those up at a shop.
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Finom1 you can pick up a carb screwdriver from any lawnmower shop or stihl dealer ... it’s just a small flat head
I thought I heard you mention a 441 your last video but it got dark before you could run it. Still going to show it ?
Austin hi. I'm waiting to hear back from the owner before posting anything on his saw as a courtesy. Thanks for watching.
3 seconds, in a big ole hunk of log, not much difference when you consider that the 660 boasts 1 more pony over the 461, and the 660 has several pounds more to drag around, I own and use both, yet the 461 gets chosen more often than any of the others, simply because of the power to weight
yeah im like 130 pounds and lugging that 660 around all day would not be fun for the little power gain it gives you. most the time the little saw with the 16-inch bar cuts most stuff we do at work. just needed the 32-inch bar on it to cut an oak stump the other day, it was niceee
How are the Oregon light weight bars vs. Stihl light weight bar .as in durability and weight
Blain hi.
They weigh less and are much more flexible.
They have softer rails. As a result, they wear out quicker.
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thank you for the reply
Wish you were closer where did you get your wedge pouch?
baileysonline.com or Madsens.com
@@northmanlogging2769 Those are not the same. I had several specifically made from saddle leather in the mid '80s - including this one. They last for years.
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@@hotsaws101 see what I get for assuming...
Good Stuff!
Everyone loves the 461 an 462 should I trade my 661c for one I have two 440 magnums and lov e them but I havent ever ran a 461 or 462
I also have a husky 272 xp I believe that is about the same saw in comparison
Isn't a 660 7.1 horsepower?
N pearl hi. Not according to what I heard and read for years. Thanks for watching.
461 with a 32 is painfully slow in hardwoods
I have no problems with mine in hard wood
I'm using a 28' bar stock 461 with ported muffler' kicks ass //
Makes me miss my ms661 ...just a pure beast
hey jack, do you know this fabz acres guy is misrepresenting your brand hotsaws101 over on aboristsite? he claims he is your partner and he runs the hotsaws101 east coast franchise. Your name is being drug through the mud with what this clown is doing. He goes by frank rizzo over on aboristsite, might want to check it out and do something about it before all your hard work gets a bad name put with it. Nice work you do btw!
bob weaver ohhh jeez...hopefully he’s stopped
First
90 cc to 76 cc
660 2:34-3:02 461 8:00-8:31
27 seconds and 31 seconds
Yeppers
@@fabzacres-blackcat so again even saws. After porting they are still even. 1 multiplied by 1 is still 1. A ported 660 won't be any better than a 461 unless you run a 41" bar in big timber all day. Big waste of money and unnecessary wear on your body lugging it around if you don't have to
Even ? I just watched the video and counted 4.5 sec difference between the 660 and 461 - Your numbers were 4 sec so close enough ... Stock 660 vs Stock 461 useing your numbers is 14% quicker ; my numbers moreso ... That’s with a 32” bar ! Longer bar the margin of victory for the 660 wood be more pronounced !
@@fabzacres-blackcat you can't count tenths of a second on TH-cam. Also 4 seconds is not a big enough gain to justify the extra weight and fuel consumption. Testing a stock 461 with 32 vs 36 there was a 1 second difference so moving up to a 36 from a 33 would still only be 5 second difference. And as I said previously the 461 doesn't lose rpms like the 660 when the air filter starts to plug. All the 660s I've ran I had to bang out the filter 3 times a day in the winter with short hours whereas I clean my 461 once a month. The 461 has many more advantages than a 660 no matter what anyone says or shows
ian martin both saws were bone stock and ran the same bar and chain ... clearly the 660 was (by your numbers 4sec) at least 14% quicker ... When ported the 660 will come alive ! in stock form it’s bmep is low for its displacement as compared to the 461 ... I own / run BOTH saws and run max-flow filters on both as the stock filter system on BOTH saws is inferior to the max flow ... really don’t know how you run your 461 for a month without cleaning your filter ? I’d be checking for fines in the carb throat ... sawdust WILL kill a saw ! Fabz Out !