Mike Tomlin & NFL's Rooney Rule, an Uncomfortable Conversation | HYPOCRITE Cam Newton | Ep 847
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2025
- The NFL playoffs are in full swing, and the cream is rising to the top. The best players, teams, and coaches all shine in January. With many of the favorites moving on to the Divisional Round, Whitlock reflects on the coaching in the NFL. There are about 10 coaches in the NFL who will always have a market if a job opens up, and the rest of the league’s coaches will always be on the chopping block. This is the result of DEI: underqualified coaches way over their skis and the same 15 coaches getting passed around the league. Steve Kim joins the show to weigh in on the NFL coaching hierarchy. The playoff picture seems to revolve around the same teams as last year. Will the results remain the same, or will the NFL crown a new champion? Wrapping up is Shemeka, who has something to say about the Left suddenly switching sides and narrative after Donald Trump became the president-elect. If you had to take a guess, who is this show’s dunce mascot, who is a never-ending pit of laughable comments? You know exactly who I’m talking about. Tune in on this Fearless Football Monday!
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SHOW OUTLINE
07:25 Roll Call teaser
08:50 Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Take Center Stage in NFL
12:03 NFL Teams circumvent Rooney Rule with One-Year hires
24:45 Mike Tomlin Under Hot Seat in Pittsburgh?
33:25 Aaron Glenn is a Golden Boy Candidate
43:45 Steve Kim: Mike Tomlin Under Hot Seat in Pittsburgh?
53:41 Cam Newton has been re-educated over time
1:05:02 RG3 implies racism if Media doesn’t condemn Justin Herbert
1:09:27 A.J. Brown reads books to calm his mind
1:13:42 Saquon Barkley is a student of the game, he gets it
1:17:23 Mike McCarthy fired as Cowboys HC
1:27:08 Joy Taylor: “Saturday got the job for who he knows.”
1:41:45 Stephen A. Smith claims “misinformed” about Trump
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Mayo was an awful hire. At the press conference, I remembered him saying all this woke stuff. I was like, he is gonna be terrible.
We been using the word woke since 93 😂😂😂 yall finally caught on and using it up we been woke that's why we can sleep now while yall checking for woke 😂😂😂
@matjohnson9988
Ok, what's your point?
Jarod Mayo doesn't belong in any conversation involving Mike Tomlin. You may write Mayo off as a dei hire but Tomlin's been to 2 superbowls and won one while never having a losing season in nearly two decades. That's a stark contrast.
Tomlin won those games with BILL COHWERS guys. Especially, a hall of fame QB in Big Ben. Once they all left it’s been nothing but mediocrity.
@@MattBarone-q5s thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing that out. Anytime I here about Tomlin and his SB win, I always point this out too lol
@@MattBarone-q5s😂Bro, this ain't college! What are you talking about Bill Cowhers guys!! That's like saying Steve Kerr won with Mark Jackson's guys! Stop it!
DEI wouldn't have to be in place if this country wasn't racist. Has that ever-crossed yawls minds? Ronney rule is in place because the NFL is a racist organization.
@@jeffsullivan4150IDK about football but with such a large roster there is no way the head coach is managing the roster.
Best sports podcast out there along with Marcellus Wiley's. Hope to see you 2 together again once in a while.
That would be awesome. They have great chemistry.
FACTS!!!! 🫡🇺🇲
Im from Pittsburgh the media here and a lot of fans wanted Tomlin gone years ago. Rooneys dont operate like that Tomlin will be here as long as they want him here
It's funny when peple have all this confidence that they can do better. The Browns blamed Baker for their struggles and look at them now. Baker is the only reason they were relevant for 5 minutes.
@@slylockfox85 That’s what I was saying…..your 100 % correct
Cowher was the Steelers coach for 14 years. Tomlin took over and won a super bowl with Cowher team, system.... Since then, 0. No other coach could stay on the same team for 17 straight years without winning another super bowl. While not even winning a playoff game since 2016. Making matters worse, no coach that was hired under him while hes coached for the Steelers has went on to be an NFL coach. Thats telling. Nobody wants his ideas.
Tomlin has 0 losing Seasons in his tenure. He is 1 of the best coaches of all time.
@@bearcathampton5844both of you are right
So you rather have 10 losing season and 10 different coaches or going to playoffs every year.
He's a good coach but prob has run stale like Reed in Philly
@@bearcathampton5844 - That's a valid point about his regular season record. Then there's the playoffs. What's ultimately more important?
I'm a huge Steelers fan and I think Tomlin is a great coach. He continually takes lesser talent to the playoffs, which is actually a bad thing, because you never get high draft picks. This will mostly result in what is seen as mediocrity, but it is actually a testimony to his greatness. If you are a true Steelers fan, you know our QBs since Big Ben are Trubisky, Rudolph, Picket and now Fields and WIlson. Since AB and Le'veon Bell left, name our WRs and RBs. They have not been anywhere near great. And yet the Steelers are always there. Last I checked, he is not the GM. He works with what he is given, and he works it very well. Ultimately, the deficiencies catch you, but he's always been good enough to coach through those deficiencies until then. Why anyone would think the Harbaughs are on a higher level than Tomlin is beyond me.
Joy's voice is very annoying.
Damm….Stephen A moving to Florida…will still vote (D) and will ruin Florida like other Dems ruined Cali
Stephen A is a closet (R)
NO ! 💩I hate SAS !
Mike needs a break from coaching, period
I believe coach Mike T. Should respectfully move on from Pittsburgh. He's accomplished all he can do for that Historic franchise. Its ok to get a fresh start elsewhere. Love Mike T.
Exactly resign
Walter Payton never missed a game in 13 seasons.
He missed 1 game in his career.
Coming to a team near you: the Mrs Rooney Rule, where we hire the top qualified female head coach. Just imagine how progressive we can be….😂
Skippy in cans! 😂😂 That’s why the Korean Cossell is the GOAT of Fearless!
0:58 I'm sure you won't be the only one getting into Joy Taylor today 🥁!!!
Harsh truth - you're not gonna tell wealthy NFL owners who aren't used to hearing the word "No" who they can and can't hire. Unless we're talking about black ownership, nothing will change. It makes no sense to keep having this conversation every year.
That's why less people are watching all sports
I honestly think that Mike McCarthy would be a good fit for the Jets.
The NFL has become all about race. When Herbert lost on Saturday he was being attacked viciously on social media, with the likes of Emanuel Acho, Ryan Clark, etc. when Jordan love looks terrible on Sunday all you hear is crickets. It's a sad state because they cannot evaluate a player or a coach honestly because of their skin color. Waters down the players & coaches evaluation.
Yep, those people you mentioned would want nothing more than to run off all the white athletes in all major sports.
I am a Herbert fan, but he was awful by his own admission
Well the comment was not disputing Herbert was awful. The comment was pointing out the media NOT calling out Loves performance ...
Was he as bad?
Love sat for years before getting his shot. Isn't that the same argument that people are making against Mayo? That he didn't have the experience. He didn't sit and learn long enough? I bet you're the same guy claiming that Allen should have a shot at MVP.
I’m from Pittsburgh and I think the game has passed Tomlin
Who would you like to see be the head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Because for some reason y'all just act like good coaches grow on trees. I guarantee the eagles felt like the game passed Andy Reid now look at him in Kansas City... He'll never get fired he'll have to retire there
Ages ago
Yeah just get a job as a commentator. Save Us the stress.
@@tuubu9115let me see Donavan McNabb or Patrick Mahomes? lol. Reed was bad in Philly. Family problems horrific. He needed a change. It worked. Tomlin should go to the Cowboys. McCarthy to the Steelers. He might get them winning again? Mike might get the Steelers able to win one playoff game? Who knows? Change can be good.
@@tuubu9115 we gotta play Lamar to get out of our own division because we didn’t pick the best player in the draft. Why did we let him pass by to go to our rivals is the question I been asking…😢
Never thought Tomlin was a great coach, he’s good those yrs with Big Ben, Bell, AB and always a solid defense they should’ve been undefeated mopping up the competition.
Martavious Bryant also
That's a dumb comment. Most elite coaches have talent. How was Bill without Brady? Reason he's not winning is because the front office isn't addressing the core problems. Online and QB. Khan has got to be held accountable.
@@finessedabest9341 this has gone on for 15 years, and it shows Tomlin got rid of Cowhers staff, and the players started getting older, it was his team by 2015., so what has he done? What did he do with Ben, Bell, and AB??? 1 playoff win with those guys
@@chrismazza5306 Tomlin didn't get rid of Cowhers staff nor AB and Bell, Colbert didn't extend them. Tomlin isn't the GM. Why folks think the HC makes the decisions is beyond crazy 🤣
@finessedabest9341 bc people like yourself don't know, don't understand, are not from Pittsburgh, or are young fans who think they know. JP himself told me he got rid of LEBEAU bc he wanted to put his own stamp in the D. The entire D personnel was pissed. He got rid of Arians, after telling him he had his back for a contract extension. Another lie. Don't tell me anything about this team or org. One of my best buddies played 13 years for them, and did radio for 25 for them. Your totally off base. I know what 90% of fans dont
Is there a more loud and angry person than Joy? Like damn. We didn't tell you to do what you had to do to move on up. Please be kind to kind to our ears
Yoooo he got em with that video of Cam saying that to that female reporter 😂😂
If anyone is commenting saying Whitlock implied Tomlin is a DEI hire, you didn’t watch the show. He said Mayo was a DEI hire, his point on Tomlin was a completely different topic. He said Tomlin may need a fresh start with another team much like Andy Reid. Watch the show or don’t comment
Antonio Pierce and Jerrod Mayo never should’ve been hired as head coaches to be begin with. Neither deserved to be fired but they shouldn’t have had those jobs to begin with.
The Roonies will never fire him that’s just how Pittsburgh does it …. Tomlin will have to leave
Love the sweater Jay, it matches your microphone nicely.
RG3 trying to come home after 💍 👩🏼.. like Flores and these Halfrican Americans 😂😂😂
He's zero percent African. His parents immigrated from Honduras.
Steven A. Smith is a charletan disguised as a chameleon.
He looks jewish, so that checks out
Mayo had no business being a head coach. From position coach to head coach is never a good idea. These younger coaches need time for growth.
Mayo was a locker room cancer
We don't want Peon and the so called Box Office spectacle. NO WAY. His kid will only be a backup QB in the NFL after year one failures
Excellent show as always
If Tomlin had a QB, he’d be winning. It’s that simple. He has no QB. He can coach them to the playoffs, but without an elite QB, they have no chance.
Well if your don’t want Tomlin we don’t mind him in Dallas… I guess another mans trash is another’s treasure. No losing season is a nice baseline.
I agree with you.
So not winning a Superbowl or getting bounce in the 1st round okay? As a fan I wouldn't want to be looking forward to play offs and get eliminated day one or no chance of winning a championship every year.
Same shyt different team, Pittsburgh and Tomlin is Dallas in the AFC lol!
So No championship bounced the first round perfect fit I Dallas that's what they do and get another coach to do the same rinse and repeat
maybe for Dallas a non losing season is ok
Jerrod Mayo was groomed for the head coaching job because of NE Kraft Nepotism, Mayo was hired for the job because of NE Kraft Nepotism and he was fired because of Kraft Nepotism (Krafts love for Mike Vrabel).
Not evertything is a discussion about DEI. Sometimes, its just old school nepotism with a more melinated face.
You know we're devolving as a society when people are criticizing anyone of reading a book smh
Does anyone remember the hapless Chiefs that got trainwrecked EVERY year as a wild card....😂😂
It's as if your job is an excuse to gossip, slander, condemn and judge
He's such a Christian isn't he.😂
What happened to the Whit-logs and Fire starters? I miss those segments.
Don't hire the most qualified person hire the most diversified person
It's worked out great for LA and their fire dept/mayor/wdp.
Well used that same philosophy when drafting players.Since Black players shouldn't be allowed to coach
TOMLIN won games in the playoffs and a superbowl with BILL COHWERS guys. BILL left him all type of super stars and especially a HALL OF FAME QB in Big Ben. Tomlin hasn’t done nothing with his guys. HE GOT TO GO
nothing?
Same way with Dungy and Gruden
I like how Steve Kim reads books "vociferously" these days. I do too.
For those who are old enough, OJ Simpson was a little more popular than Sweetness and I thought Walter looked petty when he didn't score in the Superbowl. But Walter and OJ continued to be legends through the 80s
Let's be honest, Charissa has always done great in those roles. Never too feminine and sensitive, never too masculine and obnoxious.
Just the perfect host.
She is one of the exceptions, for sure.
She's a natural host and it shows. Let's the talent go, and just controls the segment transition.
Charissa is my favorite sportswomen, hands down. The rest are trying to be something they're not.
I’m a Tomlin supporter and a Steeler fan for decades. That being said, I’m ready to explore options and look at ways to exit him with some dignity before things get bad.
Things are already bad. This clown hasn't done anything on his own. He was handed a SB team loaded with HOF and perennial all stars. Since then nothing but embarrassing losses in wild card games and ass beatings by Patriots and KC. Totally overrated.
Whitlock don't stop, your on a roll brother!
In my 25 years of owning a business, the only that mattered to our success was culture and values. We had 6 values and at every level of the company we interviewed to see if the applicant held the same values. If you didn’t have all 6, you didn’t get an offer. As a result, we had almost zero turnover in key positions and built a very successful business. It’s that simple. Culture eats strategy for breakfast.
What are the six values?
An all white group and an all black group will have different culture and values. We have plenty of evidence, we don’t have to carry on the phony mystery. One or two of something won’t change it, but when you swap the majority, you change everything.
@45:58 Steve says Tomlin “no longer looks like Omar Epps.” Steve’s my boy. He’s hilarious.
70% of us in Pittsburgh want Tomlin traded
I've seen some people describe Mike Tomlin's tenure as "mediocrity", which to me is absolutely insane. More than anything else, Tomlin has had the bad fortune to have his entire career coincide with Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, two of the greatest quarterbacks in football history (maybe the two greatest).
I promise you, 98% of football coaches would absolutely kill to have Tomlin's career results and resume.
Facts!!
Exactly 💯
As a Black man, I wouldn't want to be a coach in the NFL unless I'm completely qualified like my White counterparts. If not, I don't want a job based on my skin color.
I wonder how Shemeka really feels about Jason gambling problems 😂
Mike Tomlin has never had a sub .500 record. If he actually had some tools there, he would go deeper into the playoffs. Pittsburgh should be grateful that they’re still relevant.
If the probability of not having a losing season is 60% and each season is independent of the previous season, the probability of having 18 in a row is 1 in 9,846. The assumption that each season is independent of the previous is not likely to be true because having winning seasons gives a coach worse draft picks than the other coaches. According to Gemini, Google's A.I., there have been between 100 and 150 coaches in the NFL since 2007.
DEI Never a good idea. Look at Los Angeles 😢🔥
Miami needs Tomlin. The need a toughness culture.
The core issues of the Rooney rule was great for a problem that needed a solution. But ownership has figured out a way to get around it.
It was never meant to work
Tomlin kept Pitt competitive with Mason Rudloph, Mitch and Kenny Picket. Firing him would be a huge mistake and only benefit the next team he goes to. On top of that it would lead to multiple losing seasons for the Steelers. It's insane this is even a conversation
Thanks shemeka keeping it real about stephen a bobblehead.
Bro McDermott is about as safe as anyone.
Tomlin inherited a Super Bowl winning, HoFer QB.
RG Bust. I bet most Eagle players if given truth serum would rather have Justin Herbert than Jalen Hurts as their QB.
It’s Matt Eberflus 😂😂😂
The problem with Mike Tomlin is that he does not lose enough and hasn’t hit on a QB.
Bingo!! That is the issue. They could have drafted Lamar Jackson but didn’t
@ tbh. They didn’t want to hurt Ben’s ego. Hindsight is 20-20 but remember Ben struggled his last few years. Hate to bring up AB but remember he also left because Ben just wasn’t it no more but the organization kept holding on? We have the benefit of hindsight now but at the time, it was almost impossible
“Ohh that genius , scholar”😂😂😂😂
I can relate to Stephen A. and his epiphany. I’m 63 and voted mostly Democrat all my life--until 2024. I voted a straight Republican ticket and ain’t looking back!
Tomlin isn’t even a peewee coach!
Todd Bowles has done a good job here in Tampa Bay. I think hes built a great culture at the bucs
Tampa would of won that game if Baker didn't fumble.
As a long-time Steelers fan from the Pittsburgh area, I'm ready to move on from Tomlin.
He's turned into the Doc Rivers of the NFL... 😄🤦🏿♀️😄
Jason out here confirming he is demonic with all this red on his set. 😂😂
At some point it's just time for a change for both sides coach and team ..... we went through the same thing with Mccarthy in Green Bay.....it was just time to move on.
Tomlin's a solid coach. The talent has been the issue in Pittsburgh for a while. He can only coach what has been given to him.
do you wanna come after Mike Tomlin but you don't wanna bring the phone off for continuously drafting chaotic characters on the offensive end of the field, and then you do not give this man even legitimate quarterback since Ben Roethlisberger, that organization will never win without having a legitimate elite quarterback until they get that we should keep expecting the same shit; they could've gone after Sam, Donald Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, and other players, but they chose to draft Penny Pickett trade for Justin Fields, and signed Russell Wilson and you expect him to win. This is fucking ridiculous.
Mike Tomlin has personnel decisions doe. He has final say
@ obviously dove no idea how the Pittsburgh Steelers work and they are a pure structure organization. It goes from owner to the front office and then the Coach in my time will never have final say of what individual players will be drafted.
Great job Jason 👍👍👍
Could you say Tomlin is a great leader of men? I’ve never thought he was a great X’s and O’s guy but there’s something there and generally the best coaches hire the best coordinators and don’t meddle but lead the overall ship.
Tomlin always makes the playoffs even without Big Ben. You can’t expect any team to make playoffs without a good quarterback.
“Every head coach needs to hitch their wagon to a quarterback” truer words have never been spoken. Belichick/Brady, Noll/Bradshaw, Welsh/Montana, Dungy/Manning, etc… Name a “great coach” that didn’t have a good QB? A whole bunch of these HC didn’t do sh!t when their golden boy left!
I still think Tomlin is a good coach . He’s wore out his welcome in Pittsburgh though , and it’s time to move on and get a fresh start. A team like the Bears would love to have him I would assume.
Vrabel was a great coach for his first 3 years with the Titans. Then he quit coaching and was more worried about being friends with the players.
Bell Biv DeVoe got that “can’t trust a big butt and a smile” line from “Jimmy” by Boogie Down Productions. KRS-One never gets his deserved credit for that
Any hiring no ones agree with or opinion is always called either DEI or Woke. 😂😂😂
Jason whitlock is a DEI hire at the blaze network
Charles Barkley is the perfect example of SAM right now. He pretends to be on team libert but then votes Democrat everytime
Drafting QBs in first round is a waste. Look at the success rate of first rounders. It makes more sense to draft linemen, DBs, linebackers, or running backs.
What makes it WAY WORSE for Tomlin is he didn't even have his best player on the field in the RB position. Jalen Warren played WAAYYY better the Najee Harris all year. Faster, more dynamic and made more explosive plays. He gots to go...
Vrabel was able to convince the same as Dan Campbell but he quit coaching the last two years and was more worried about being friends with his players. Look at 21 season. Set record with injuries but continued to win.
I would rather see Tomlin go to the Bears. McCarthy is not the right fit for the Bears.
It is a crime that Mike Ditka let The Fridge score a touchdown in the Super Bowl and not Walter Peyton.
"Sweetness" deserved a chance to score a TD.
Peanut Butter Micky Mouse does have big cans 🥜🧈🥫🥫
I don't think you can wedge Tomlin into a narrative about DEI no matter how much you want to.
Exactly. Whitlock went out on a limb with this episode
He was a DEI hire. The Rooney family had to bring a black coach, obliged by THEIR OWN RULE. It’s so obvious.
The OG DEI hire.
@ "DEI hire" implies a lack of qualifications or merit. Tomlin had worked his way up the coaching ranks for 12 years before he got the Steelers job. Whether or not Jerod Mayo or Antonio Pierce were DEI hires is up for debate, not Tomlin, especially considering his track record for the last 18 years.
@ So DEI is not a good thing now?
Affirmative action ,DEI, Rooney Rule.
All the same and all bad.
Was anyone else confused about what Jason said at the end of the episode about Dave Rubin?
Tomlin should resign don't let them fire you resign and move on
Jason is right.Dallas can get Shadur and Pion.
The league’s board of directors/ owners, will make it happen.
Jason, I'm like you. As soon as i heard jarod mayos first press conference, after what Robert Kraft said, i knew it was doomed
I would be ecstatic if the saints hired aaron glenn
With all the injuries the lions have i thought they would be finished but he has that defense playing just as good without their best players
Yes Allen should have a shot at MVP
Steelers have had 3 coaches in 56 years!
FYI, theres many fans in Pittsburgh that are tired of the recrnt mediocrity. Some of them even that think Tomlin is overrated and needs to be fired. Again thats what a good portion of Steelers fans think about Tomlin.
Saquon is *FAR & AWAY* the *MVP* for the Eagles🧏🏾♂️🎯
Tell Smith to go on the View and defend his newfound conservatism. Let him go on Maher, MSNBC and tell them. Until then, SIDDOWN.
as a former Steelers fan I can't take any more of this Rooney rule woke crap. That's why I'm a former fan. Tomlin has not won anything. IDC that he finishes above .500, that ain't winning sister. He is the worst coach Pittsburgh ever had. Steelers = Pirates and that ain't a compliment either. Fire his ass now