When is the Rapture?
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- In this episode of the "Heaven on Earth" vodcast, Randy Kay and Taylor Jensen discuss whether the so-called Rapture is true based on the Bible and Randy's own experience in Heaven; and, if so, when will the Rapture happen? This is the first session of a three part series about the end-times or last days. And you won't want to miss this riveting episode.
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Cannot wait to meet Jesus in the air. I’m 69 and cannot wait to fall at his feet and praise him. I love him so much.
Amen😄🙏
🙏 Amen 🙏
I can’t either! Praise Jesus Christ my Savior and Lord.
Amen , brother love from another person that wants the same
Thank you guys so very much for teaching us all that you. It's much appreciated 🙏🙏
I do belive we are in the biblical birth pains right now. Now is the time to spread the Gospel and lead our brothers and sisters to repentance and salvation. God bless you all!
Yes
Wouldn’t we be leading the unbelievers to repentance and salvation? We are also planting seeds for the future tribulation Saints. I am rapture ready! I am looking for my Blessed Hope! God Bless and keep looking up!! ✝️❤️✝️🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻
It was my understanding that His "elect" will stay through the Tribulation to help those who were not taken up in pre-trib. Then the elect will be made saints.
I had a rapture experience and it was very moving to say the least. I can relate to those who have dreams/visions and it just brings one to tears. To cut short, I remember the trumpet blast, and the trumpets were so loud that if I was not a believer my ears would have exploded. I remember feeling being “put back,” and upon waking my ears for the rest of the day felt the vibration of that trumpet sounding experience.
I can’t wait to be with Him, for all of us to be as believers of Jesus Christ ❤
That’s awesome!!!
This would have been a post trib rapture dream. Before you are get raptured you are going through the tribulation so please get used to it.
@@aquila813apologetics3there’s actually 3 raptures.
I absolutely 💯 believe in pre tribulation! God specifically says he will save us from that hour ! 🙏 God's blessing, wonderful conversation 🙏
Amen! Agree. I wouldn't want to be around during the tribulation, especially with the anti-Christ ruling. Lord Jesus come quickly 🙏. #repent #RaptureReady
Pre trib rapture is false. We are already in the final 7 years
Amen! I fully agree with you! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@anneliesschouwink-hovestad5297 Doesnt matter what you agree with. You are incorrect. There is no pre trib rapture
He can save you without taking you off of the earth. Many will be saved
I praise the Lord for these two men of God that are teaching us the truth. Many out there, are teaching things that are not biblical and this men of God are chosen for such a time as this to help us understand end times love you both and many hugs
Shalom in truth and grace may we finish the race strong . HE IS THE REWARD.
HALLELUYAH . JESUS CHRIST LORD AND WE ARE CALLED FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS. YHWH ABBA MOST HIGH GOD ALMIGHTY IS MOVING .
Be blessed ♡
@@lisetribeagape9058Amen and Amen!
✨💖🙏💖✨
Pre-Trib God said, “Because you have kept my commandments, I will keep you from the hour of trial that will come upon the world” 🙏🥰🙏
Revelation 3: 10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
What does keeping the word of His patience mean?
PATIENCE
◄ 5281. hupomoné ►
Strong's Concordance
Definition: a remaining behind,
a patient enduring
PATIENCE
Definition: the capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.
He said that to the church of Philadelphia. Did you know they were martyred?
Also why did Jesus tell the church of smyrna to persevere unto death?
You are believing in a spoilt and entitled fiction. Pre trib rapture is a demonic invention of the 1800's
He can keep you through the troubles as well.
Yes, there will be martyrs. There always has. We must be willing to give our lives for Jesus but I know that a large majority of his children will be kept from the dangers throughout the tribulations. He can preserve whomever he wants without removing them from this earth.
@@melindamorrison1
Good post Rain.
Yes!!!
Thank you Randy for this exchange. May the Lord Jesus Christ fill me with the fruits of the Holy Spirit, that I may live to serve the one true Master, God the Father. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.
God confirmed pre-trib recently for me. In Revelation 1:5-6 Jesus addresses The Church as “priests and kings”. We (priests and kings) are with Him in Heaven in Revelation 5:10, BEFORE Jesus opens the seals. Hope this encourages someone. 🙌💞☝️
Those were the 24 elders saying those things. Nobody knows who they are, but they certainly can't be the entirety of the raptured saints.
The Bible does clearly indicate the order. The persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyrdom of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
Amen yup!
As a child and a young adult, I had experience with two faiths, but both churches did not teach about the rapture. One time I had a dream that a high rolling fire was coming fast towards us and I thought "oh no we will die". Then, I found myself on top of clouds with my cousin sitting by me. There were other people that I did not recognize except for one little boy. I looked down and the earth was scorched. I began worrying about my family, however just then, I woke up. Since that dream, I have wondered "what happened?" and what was the purpose of it. Thank you for your discussion. For brevity, I have not said anything about my background. I now believe, the dream was sent to give me comfort.
Hello everyone! So glad you’re having this discussion. I see a lot of people online that dis one another on the timeline of the rapture. We need to realize as Jesus people were all brothers and sisters and allow a difference of opinion as we seek the Bible in these times. Personally I’m open to all, pre, mid post. I’d love to see a panel of different perspectives. I love this channel and the work Brother Randy and team are doing. Another one I really enjoy listening to is Jerren Lewis on AoC network kingdom. I’d really like to have Randy interview him. Anyway blessings to all in these the last days.
I like reading the Geneva Bible when researching end times prophecy. It annotates the opinions and views of the reformists from the early 1500s from their perspective. It is certainly interesting to see what they thought and believed back then, even though it was banned by King James as being "seditious". The Geneva Bible is totally post-trib when reading the notes left behind, and would even suggest a lot of the prophetic events of the end times occurred in direct correlation with the history of the Catholic Church. I have a feeling that was why it was banned! At any rate, it's an interesting insight into what the early Protestants believed, and might have an influence on why only recently other views have cropped up to fill in the gaps of time that are obvious now to believers who are still waiting on Christ's return after so much of the prophecies of Revelation were supposedly fulfilled already.
@@jamescrumbaker3169 thank you for taking the time to share this information.
I’ve ordered a copy. 🙏🏻
@@map3364 You can read online too with bible gateway. It's got the annotations in there as well. I can't read it all the time on the computer screen, so having a hard copy for those times comes in handy!
Please pray for my daughter to be saved by Jesus , our Lord . 🙏 I had a vision I knew that rapture is coming soon , I said ‘ please God people around me are not ready yet ‘ . God is only being patient so for everyone to come to him , and no one perish .
One thing that comes to my mind on the pre rapture is, in history God always moved his people before his wrath. So I think the ones saved after the rapture will go through the tribulation.
I have been having nightmares in the mornings before I wake up for a few months now - please pray for me. I wake up very tired & tired throughout the day.
You are on my prayer list
I dealt with this and after much prayer and searching, I learned we have the authority to rebuke demons in the name of JESUS CHRIST!!! Tell them you rebuke them and pray for GOD’s protection before you go to sleep and upon waking, especially after attacks. Sleep with an open Bible in your room and ask that your home be a sanctuary for GOD and HIS angels!
I’m praying for you! I know how scary it is! ✝️🙏💕
Love all your teachings so much. Thank you Randy ♥️🥰🤣 Blessings from New Mexico.
I will be with Jesus when he come back
Thank you, I loved listening to you two. Heaven is in our future!!!♥♥♥
Living on Earth with one foot and having the other foot in the Promised Land is so challenging! Randy you are doing a wonderful job, your intent is honest and from a Loving heart! Something is coming, something big is coming for believers and non believers alike. Please God pour Your Spirit out to everyone on this feed plus the younger Generation who are heavy influenced bye the evil in todays culture!
This made me smile big😂you used lighthearted humor on a subject that everyone seems to argue over! Jesus Christ is pure love so I know he doesn’t want us fighting here on pre mid and post.❤. God Bless you both!✝️💜🤍💜🤍💜🤍💜
Amen. The fighting in the body of Christ needs to change I know if more people would read and pray through John chapter 15 on a regular basis they would understand the love Jesus commands us to have for each other. I pray we, as His followers, learn to truly walk in love. The world certainly doesn’t need more division and it’s just sad for the body of Christ. ❤
Pretrib
liked your man Taylor Jensen & post trib, I have always held that view since "86" which in no wise hinders me from Randy Kay's Ministeries what so ever....Love you guys!
Me too.Well I was neither at first. Never was taught it.
Strangely it was the " left behind" series that made me research this topic because I could not believe God would take us up in such a manner with cars and planes crashing etc etc. Killing millions. ?
So I researched and came out post-trib. Mostly based on the Words of Jesus Himself whom I personally put above anyone one else's. He tells us clearly " After"those days.
Christ will not let his bride go through this hour of trail
Randy what a true blessing you and this channel are to the believers. I have been telling others to visit this channel to those are hurting and looking for help and encouragement. Bless you brother
So many are so dogmatic about what they believe on the timing of the Rapture and will tell you point blank that you are wrong and they are right and are even angered if you don’t believe as they do. It’s not a salvation issue or a sin if you believe differently on this so as Christians, we should show some thoughtfulness and humility like Randy and Taylor. Thanks! ❤
💯agree. We are commanded by Jesus to love each other deeply.
I don’t think what you experienced sounds crazy at all Randy - the spiritual realm is the original realm and much more real than this one.
I so appreciate your ministry. It helps us build our wisdom and that is my desire. In the name of Jesus, please bless me with Wisdom but also the knowledge to apply the wisdom imparted by the Holy Spirit... 🥰🙏🏼❤️
I had a dream 2 years ago on passover about the rapture, in it at the time to go i felt a hand under my arm and It was asking permission to lift me up, and I whole heartedly asked to be picked up and Into the sky I flew. It definitely reminded me about Lots wife.
Revelation chapter 5 tells us The Church is bodily in heaven and representatives around the Throne of God before the tribulation seals are OPEN.
No it doesn't. Not once.
@@cryptojihadi265 Post Tribs NEVER accept Rev. Chapter 5 as proof that The Church is bodily in heaven and representatives are around God’s throne before the tribulation seals are opened. Post Tribs do not want to read that the 24 sing about their own redemption by His blood, talk about a much larger group they belong in, wear crowns of gold which only The Church is promised as rewards and John recognized them for John did not ask who they were. Furthermore, John wrote in verse 11. “And I beheld,” in other words…John did see the church along with the 24 along with hearing many angels. A continuation of verse 10 which a reader will not pay attention to.
Post Tribbers also laughingly think Matthew 24:31 is The Rapture. There is no coordinated instantaneous angelic airlift to bring the entire Church to God in the air at The Rapture. God Himself is there and does it all in a twinkling of an eye and all at one time; billions of angels are not involved in resurrecting, changing nor bringing all the church to God at the rapture.
Jesus’ Church will be raptured before Matthew 24:9 is in full effect. Post tribs disbelieve that saying worldwide persecution and killing is not the Jews that the verse speaks about but The Church. Jewish people, around the world, are experiencing frequent attacks and massive demonstrations against them ever since Gaza. They realize this is only the beginning. Some are fleeing their countries heading to Israel. Jesus’ church would stand against worldwide killing of Jewish people if they were not raptured beforehand.
The main thing is to be ready. Not to play church but be the church which means relationship with Him. I tell people when you read the book of acts it teachs we have to have relationship with Jesus
The SPIRIT and The Bride say Come.
I want my family saved and delivered.
They are backsliden. They were baptized when they were Young but aware. Now they are going through their own paths. But I am still praying (momma). I have been watching Dr. Michael Heiser Supernatural. He really explains so much. I have become bolder to witness to others. Heaven or hell is One breath away. Choose Wisely.
“Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of Man cometh.” (Matt. 24:42-44.) May we heed this warning given by the Lord and get our houses in order and be prepared for the coming of the Lord.
I respect you both so much and both of your opinions! I'm fairly new (7 years) and I have certainly bounced from pre to post.
Here's where I get stuck on post tribulation:
Rev 2:22 "indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds."
And now as I'm writing I hear Randy quoting the other scriptures I was going to refer to. Lol.
God bless you both. I appreciate this study, very edifying.
Much love in Christ
God bless you sister in Christ 🙏. The problem is you are looking at a verse in Revelation which is speaking of and to Israel. Israel is always a female and must go through the "times of JACOBS troubles". Another name for the tribulation is "The Winepress of the Wrath of God". How could we, the Body of Christ, be in this winepress when Paul tells us that upon accepting the blood of Jesus Christ as our full remittance of sin and that "there is then therefore NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus"?? My friend, the tribulation is for Israel and the unsaved in n the rest of the world. May God bless you until that great day 😊🙏!!
@@theshootindutchman thank you! I was actually agreeing with the pre-trib rapture. I get stuck on following thru with post tribulation by the verse I quoted.
I appreciate your comment!
Good bless you
One of the most Solid Rapture passages is Isaiah 26:20-21. But it's probably not on the Post-Tribber's list.
It shouldn't be on ANYONE's list. It has nothing to do with a rapture, let alone a pre-trib one. It talks about HIDING yourself. Why would we hide if we are rejoicing in heaven?
The Bible does clearly indicate a post-trib rapture. The persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
It's spelled out in no uncertain terms. No interpretation or extrapolation of meaning required.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyr of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
When i was around 7 years old i had a very vivid dream about balls of fire falling from the sky at night, it was so real that i still remember ever detail of it. And when i was about 11years old i had a dream, that there was some really loud noise outside! And everybody came out of their houses to see what happened. And there were circles on the ground. And only people who could enter those circles would go to heaven, and those who couldn't would bounce back like there was a circle glass wall impossible for them to cross. Both those dreams were very vivid, and i remember them like it was yesterday.
Thats weird I have had visions of likewise' with the spheres or circles that people couldn't break??' Maybe from a TV Show??' IDK!! Mind can play ticks on you!!
I guess we won't know till it happens!!
I cant imagine a post trib rapture it raises so many questions. Because in the tribulation people will have to decide to take the mark of the beast or not. But as for the children or weak persons.... how will that work. They can be obliged to take the mark by their unbelieving parents for example. Or what if one parent is a believer and the other not than the unbelieving one makes the kid take the mark. That doesn't seem fair at all. No. I do not think God allows these type of scenarios.
They people are sincere, but have been deceived?
Thank you for this relevant conversation with the 2 different views. Much Appreciated and very timely for me.. Thank you so much
Yo Randy can’t wait to hear all the other good stuff The Lord showed you in Heaven like the new earth and whatever else you can share if the Lord permits, 💪✝️💪
I believe it’s 3 raptures.
I listened to a guys near death experience in you tube and Jesus told him there will be 3 pre, mid, and post. This makes sense to me.
If what “God told me” doesn’t align with the written Word of God, it should be thrown out. There’s A LOT of deception out there. Satan will give 99% truth to fool us into believing something is of God. Prayer and God given discernment is needed when listening to all NDE’s.
@@krissyyoung9264- Amen. We need to be very cautious. I was nervous about this topic, but I pray for discernment and stop listening if I'm not ready to hear. I'm so aware of how little we really know. And grateful for the simplicity of the gift of grace. Maranatha 🙏❤️🇨🇦
Except that directly contradicts the plainly stated word of God. Paul, Himself said that even if HE or an Angel from God came and preached a different gospel, let them be accursed.
The Bible does clearly indicate the order. The persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyring of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
EVERY verse that supposedly supports a pre-trib rapture requires interpretation or extrapolation of meaning into those verses. The most common offender being the message to the church of Philadelphia, which we clearly are not, neither literally nor figuratively do we in ANY way resemble the Church of Philadelphia. If anything, the modern church is described by the Church of Thyatira or Laodicea.
Oh wow! I never even believed in any rapture as I’m Catholic. Then in 2010 ish upon waking one am from corner of my room , I clearly heard an audible voice say “ Will they be ready for the first rapture? “ Will YOU be ready”? Male authoritative voice. I’m not mentally ill . And never heard anything
Ike this before or after!
How I wish that when we have Bible studies with people, that we would concentrate on “what’s right, not who’s right”.
Hi Randy, I have just started watching some of these videos on your site. So inspirational and "God pulling." Thank you for sharing your experiences. Question: you mentioned you were brain dead and rigor mortis was setting in, then you said "as I was being resuscitated." Could you talk a bit about why they were making the effort to resuscitate you if you were that far gone were rigor mortis was setting in? I looked it up and it says: "Rigor mortis appears approximately 2 hours after death in the muscles of the face, progresses to the limbs over the next few hours, completing between 6 to 8 hours after death." Rigor mortis then stays for another 12 hours. (Anders S, Kunz M, Gehl A, Sehner S, Raupach T, Beck-Bornholdt HP. Estimation of the time since death--reconsidering the re-establishment of rigor mortis. Int J Legal Med. 2013 Jan;127(1):127-30. [PubMed]). How long were you dead? Thank you Randy for your wonderful uplifting message.
I honestly can't agree on post trib- when you consider that it will be " as in the days of Noah " where people are being married, and living life- so if that is the situation - how could they simultaneously have locusts knawing on their arms? Regards Jake in Oz
The 2 most compelling verses for a pre-Trib Rapture...as you said, Revelation 3:10, and also Luke 21:36 where Jesus said, when speaking of the End times: "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
There is many verses that asks us to be ready for this.
I love this video! Thank you and God bless you both! Question: aren't the saints coming back on white horses with the Lord Yeshua at the end to fight with him? So we have to go up first to come back with him on white horses😊
My view for a pre-tribulation rapture includes Daniel's 70th week being fulfilled and that final week of years being a switch back to the old testament dispensation, thus the rapture occurs right at the start.
Also, people who have not closely studied Revelation but follow what other people say about it call it "Revelations".
Chuck Missler has an excellent teaching on the rapture and how it "mirrors" the Jewish wedding feast. Search for the 2 part study on TH-cam under Missler Rapture...
Very good my brother 😊🙏 You've studied as a Berean and thus understand that the rapture is soon, and thereafter will come a terrible time in this earth.... This Times of Jacobs Troubles.....
Thanks!
I believe when speaking of pre wrath or post trib, we must remember our trials will be not taking the mark and refusing to deny Christ. This is when believers will lose their salvation fearing death for them or a family member. 🙏
Randy, my heart is having trouble reconciling the horrible earthquake in Turkey... Can you help me? How is God sovereign in this?
God is sovereign. But scripture says the devil is in fact the god of this world
God is sovereign and ultimately in control, meaning that the world isn't spinning out of His control. That is VERY different than God controlling everything or MAKING everything happen.
This is the age of testing and choosing. This is all about character development and choosing if we REALLY want to spend eternity with Him.
Whatever sorrows we suffer here are not even worthy to be compared to the joy that awaits us in the kingdom. Jesus PROMISED us tribulation in this world, but HE has overcome the world.
It's only when we get focused on the things of THIS world, the riches, the pride of life, that we struggle with the suffering that God allows, but does not cause.
If we are not willing to pick up our cross and follow Him, EVEN unto our own death, then we are not worthy to be called by His name.
"He is no fool, to give up what we can't keep(this temporary mortal life) to gain what he cannot lose(eternal life in Christ in paradise)." - Jim Elliot(died a martyr spreading the gospel in Ecuador)
Id rather go NOW! This world is rough. 💔
Jesus Christ my Lord, God and Saviour has td me the rapture is soon. Glory to YHWH
I was saved and taught to believe pre trib but after many years all of a sudden the Holy Spirit really just got a hold of me and I really struggled with what I was having revealed about the rapture until I heard the Lord ask me, "how many times do I return?" 'Once, Lord'... "and when is that?" 'When you appear in the air with the hosts of heaven and 10thousands of 10 thousands of your saints.' ... it was just a simple question for me in the end... if the Rapture states we will be caught up to meet him in the air after the dead in Christ arise, how can He come back twice?... Either way, I believe we will be raptured, it really doesn't change anything other than my state of preparedness and I desire to spend every moment listening to His direction for my life so that I'm not found without the necessities required to continue the work He has called us to faithfully endure
The anti rapture preachers call ones that believe inspired by evil. That’s not helpful at all.
I’m with Randy on this one but what a delight to hear a warm conversation with two different perspectives.
if we are still here during the first 3+ a half years of the trib during the same time as the two witnesses in Jerusalem, wouldn't it be fair to see that millions of Christian believers overwhelming the streets of Jerusalem to get an autograph from Elijah and either Enoch or Moses??? hence won't millions of Christians surround these two to protect them from harm? hence my strong belief in pre trib. the church not meant for wrath+ isn't the final elect referring to Jacob's trouble? Solely God turning his attention back toward his initial people, of the Jewish nation...?
Did Randy ever give points on why he believes pre-trib? He stumbles on his words and his thoughts are scrambled.
I love him, I just wish I could understand him better.
He did not want to spill the beans because he had a new book to write. "Heaven Stormed" in there is the rapture etc. He needed to stay quiet so he did not reveal what he is about to write. He gotta make a living I suppose.
Acts 14:22: Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Back in 1983 I had a dream about the rapture. Jesus was in the sky and it was so beautiful. I was standing with others, whom I didn’t know, but we were all just engulfed in his beauty and saying wow!! That’s all we could say is wow!! Then a woman came up to me and said, come on, it’s time to be judged. I realized I wasn’t ready. I said, but I’m not ready. She said, too late. Then I woke up. I wasn’t ready and that was true.
None of us are ready.
but some think they get a free pass around it.
They think they are better than the rest of us.
they think they are of the second body of Christ that doesnt go to the cross.
they get to skip death and the resurrection and just show up for the ascension.
Jesus didnt do it that way. why would His body not follow Him?
@@LastDaySaintJames Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:51. I show you a mystery…. We shall not all sleep, die, but we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. This mortal will be changed to immortal. So the reason people think that is because Paul says it. To live is Christ and to die is gain. If we live, we live to Christ. Which is harder? To live for Christ or to die for Christ?
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Alright, but they refuse to believe when the dead get raised, and when we get changed to immortal, just as you SKIPPED the when.
AT THE LAST TRUMPET.
Revelation 11: 11-12, 15
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
ENDURE trumpets 1-6 to be changed at the 7th.
@@LastDaySaintJames yes, but Jesus says no man knows the day or the hour. It doesn’t say at the 7th trumpet. It just says at the last trumpet. You don’t know if that’s the last one. It’s when God decides it’s the last one.
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Ok, so no man knows if He comes on a Wednesday or a Saturday.
no man knows if He comes at midnight or 2 in the afternoon.
there is only one last trumpet in the entire bible associated with the resurrection of the dead.
The 7th trumpet of Revelation 10-11.
Revelation 11: 11-12, 15
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The early church fathers, those around the time of John the Apostle, they taught pre trib rapture. The early church fathers who were taught under John the Revelator say John taught them the pretribulation rapture. So I would like to know how or where does your guest get references that say the opposite. I have been studying under Ken Johnson, who pours over the very early documents as his living and he says the opposite of your guest, Randy. There are many documents that have not yet been translated into English. Someone has started to go through just a few, and they all point to pretribulation rapture. All these writings were right after the time of Jesus's resurrection. What documents are your guest referencing?
That's not true at all. NOWHERE in the Bible is pre-trib rapture indicated. All verses used by pre-tribbers require interpretation or extrapolation of hidden meaning to indicate a pre-trib rapture. Only the Post-Trib verses clearly spell it out, without having to jump all over the Bible and read hidden meaning into them. It only takes two passages to spell it out, and then all the other passages that support it.
The Bible clearly states the order. The persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyr of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
Again, Taylor I'm with you. I believe as you do but hope I'm wrong. I have a concern with the pre-trib because I think it will cause people to fall away when it doesn't happen. It seems like a great deception.
2 Thess 2 says exactly that, the great falling away happens before the rapture. It also says, that the day of the Lord will NOT happen until the son of perdition is revealed and that doesn't happen till the middle of the seven years, so no pre trib for me, mid or post makes the most sense. Also, God never removed anyone during his judgements, he protected them THROUGH whatever he was doing, but never took anyone off the planet to judge a nation. Matt 24 is clear when it happens, after the trib, look up, the son of man comes in the clouds...selah...
If you keep God's commandments, you will be saved x Non believers keep God's commandments too xx
The Bible is for all times. It's for those who are going to get raptured before the great tribulation and it's there also as guidance for those who become saved during the great tribulation.
Amen🙏
Truth
The scriptures interpret and explains itself
I sure pray there's a pretrib. I remember a long time ago. I read we would see the beginning of the Tribulation, like now or some more but would not be in the worst of the Tribulation. I felt in my heart seeing the signs and bad things going on now are prohesy and I pray we don't have to wait til the end. But it's up to our Father who hasn't even told His Son the day and hour too. I see some changes in the Word. I've read it since young. I always read the Lion shall lay with the Lamb. I interpreted that wrong though. I thought oh good all animals will be in Heaven too. I know better now what that means. When reading about being caught up, I believe that meant what I read a long time ago. We witness the very beginning but then are Raptured. But yes I just pray no matter what I go to Heaven whenever that is. Im old. Lol. So I've been a believer much all my life. Anything bad happened I believed it to be satan. Or myself. Not from our Father or Jesus. I believe he allows it for faith and testing it. A growing. Also knowing we are sinners. But I know He loves us so much. Its more about I pray a Tribulation especially for children, my own grandchildren and great grandchildren and my children. Who right now, aren't awake to it. I think their starting to come around. I always like I said believed in a Pretrib but so many and I have read the ending part too. It said a very small elect will be brought up as he described. I thought that for Israel who alot don't believe in Yahshua but after satan sits on its thrown alot of Jews will realize who it is and realize the Messiah was the one that was on the Cross and why and call out to Him. He sets them in a protected place in the desert then that post part is collecting those that finally of His people are caught up. But then that would be 2 wouldn't it. I even heard that from churches. Again, the most important is to know its not us but Yahshua knowing whose are His and we get to go Home. And all tears will be wiped away. I had a nde, and a vision in my dream this early winter. I was asking the Father to please let me have any kind of dream of Heaven. I got in the morning a dream of Yahshua telling me where my cancer was. I woke up and He was still there. I said I KNOW! lol. He said a few more sentences I can't remember, as He was fading I was in indescribable love, nothing like it on earth. I just layed there basking in this indescribable love and then it started fading. I didn't want it to go away. So its a love nothing like on earth we get to look forward to. I started watching your NDE and I was surprised to see everyone can't describe it. Some even saying it like me.
Blessings to all and much much love 🕊
Have you considered there could be 3 ruptures as explained by Brenda Weltner. 1st-The Church, 2nd-The 144 thousand, 3rd-Saved Survivers of the Tribulation.
I heard an audible voice upon waking in 2010 ish asking if “ they will be ready for the first rapture “? Will you be ready?
Randy, you should check out the pre-wrath view and Dr Alan Kurschner's interview on Remnant Radio. Pre-trib is right in that we are not appointed to God's wrath, but God's wrath is not the same as the tribulation of the saints. Jesus' signs in Matthew 24 for his second coming match up with the first six seals but not the trumpets or the bowls which are God's wrath.
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
I love GOD the FATHER, my savior JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT. I pray I am enough that GOD would include me in the rapture. I wish to lay at GODS FEET like a cat or dog and just bask in the beautiful bountiful LOVE GOD IS! Please pray for my eternal soul in CHRIST. ❤❤❤
Amen. I don't want to get left behind. But with the way I live my life I don't think it's likely..
For by God s grace you have been saved through faith- and not from yourselves , it is the gift of God , not by works so that no one can boast .Ephesians 2:8-9
I was taught to be pretribulation. From what i see right now I do not want to see anymore of the terrible suffering and pain and there will be so much more of it.
Beautiful
Hebrews 9:28 KJV gets me excited.
Thank you so much for this. I appreciate it so much.
Thank you for this discussion. Tyler, I would point you to a YT channel called Soothkeep, Lee Brainard. He has found evidence of a belief in the pre trip rapture from early church leaders in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries. Pastor Lee is a scholar of ancient languages as well as a biblical scholar. He recently did a video devoted to these findings. Maranatha!
Thank u, i will look there. I will go when he comes, i believe it is pre Trip. Not to argue, but that's my hope and why should I change that? Something to look forward to.
However He returns, (and I am very neutral in terms of eschatology, holding no position beyond "either Jesus will return while I'm still alive, or after my death, and His return will be consistent with the Bible") I hope it happens soon. This broken, sin-cursed world and life are no picnic, and I long to see Him as He is without the Enemy's cheats and confusions and my own flaws and limitations clouding my vision and creating a sense of distance from Him.
0:39: 📖 The video discusses the concept of the Rapture and its relevance to the end times as mentioned in the Bible.
4:30: ⏰ The video discusses the concept of the Rapture and the gathering of God's people by his angels.
9:47: 📖 The speaker discusses seeing different types of angels and a storm in heaven, relating it to the Bible and scripture.
14:08: 📖 The speaker discusses receiving a revelation from the Lord and the importance of referencing scripture.
19:41: 📖 Discussion about the post-tribulation Rapture belief and unity in studying the Bible.
23:14: 📖 The video discusses the tribulation, the sign of the son of man, and the gathering of the elect as described in the Bible.
27:46: ⛪ The video discusses the pre-tribulation belief and its foundation in scripture, particularly Revelation 3:10.
32:45: 📖 The video discusses the Book of Revelation and its prophecies, including the possibility of the church being present during the tribulation period.
37:16: 🤝 The video discusses the unity and collaboration among believers in anticipation of Christ's return.
Recap by Tammy AI
Randy! If you see this please share your thoughts on three gatherings of the barley,(bride)pre trib wheat(the rest of the body of Christ) mid trib and grapes(Israel and martyrs)post trib! Have you ever heard or studied this? I believe we who hold these views are hearing from the Spirit which group we are in. That what we believe is ultimately what has been in our Spirit according to our measure of faith, possibly the intimacy or nature of our relationship with Christ? This is my understanding there are three gatherings as we see in scripture. So essentially we have all been partially right in our believing. Please if possible will you do a broadcast on this! I'm so interested to hear your thoughts if you've prayed and considered it! So the rapture is indeed a definition of harpazo but what it there are actually three gatherings not just one. This study answered so .any burning questions I brought with tears to the Lord.
I just saw this broadcast today. :)
3 raptures??
There's the second coming to look forward to. That's it.
Revelation chapter 1-3 Hear what the spirit saith unto the churches. Chapter 4 starts with a door opened in heaven, and the church is not mentioned again until the last chapters.
When you saw the feast in Heaven, was it after the tribulation, during the tribulation or was it after the 1000 year reign on the new earth??
I never heard anyone explain Revelation better than The Chronos Messenger
Remember if we have to pay the price by spilling our blood in the Tribulation then the death on the cross will be meaningless. Why would Jesus want to put his bride thru such pain after he paid the price with blood so we all can be saved thru him.
I understand pre trib wasn’t discussed until the 1800’s. We’ve gained knowledge, insight and wisdom as time has passed, in every way. There’s no way they could have understood everyone seeing the two witnesses at the same time in the 1800’s. We do now. The tribulation is a time of David’s trouble. It is not called for Christians to suffer God’s wrath. That’s why Jesus shed His blood, as an escape from God’s wrath, for salvation to those who believe. Just my thoughts on the subject. I’ve been studying end times for about 10 years. I’m no scholar, but I do feel confident in my convictions. It is interesting to hear what others think though, and why.
To understand rapture, you have to understand the jewish roots. some of the rapture verses are for the jewish and some for the church. Also, you have to understand the jewish wedding. You will get the hint. Lord convicted me through my studies of rapture that church will be taken away. 7 years of wedding feast makes more sense and goes well with jewish wedding and customs. Daniel gave us a good idea about the rapture timing as well as Corinthians and Thesalonians.
The Matthew 24 reference is the biggest reason why I haven't really fully been convinced of a pre-tribulation rapture idea. Also, it would go against the general pattern throughout human history. Christians have throughout history had to deal with troubles and persecutions. While the tribulation period is supposed to be different in scale compared to what happened in the past, it would be very different from the observed pattern of collective Christian suffering at the hands of the world for us to suddenly be whisked away in almost a very convenient fashion from such troubles at their highest point.
A post-tribulation situation also allows for a more complete separating of the wheat from the weed by testing humanity's faith whether it be for God or the world. Christians that die as martyrs during these times would be able to obtain their "crowns of life" that is referenced in the Bible as well.
I do agree with the idea that God's wrath will particularly target those that reject God while avoiding those that have accepted God. The world will also simultaneously target Christians during that same period. By having both Christians and non-Christians be on the Earth at the same time while this is happening also displays very clearly where people's allegiances are and during such a high tension period, I do believe that the believer will believe much more strongly and the unbeliever will likely also have their heart hardened more than we have seen in the past.
Release the next episode now!! Lol great episode btw
If Jesus is saying just like the days of Lot and Noah He is clearly refering that those 2 events in the past is a type of Shaddow of the end in His coming…Which both group of believers were removed BEFORE the wrath….
What happens to good people who dont believe. There are many levels of good although not all believe in the Holy spirit x There are many levels of heaven. The more richeous ones will be on the high levels but the other levels are sublime too x All good people will go to heaven x "My Fathers house has many rooms" xx❤❤xx
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To be clear in Matthew 24:31 it starts by saying “immediately after the tribulation of those days.” To me if This is the rapture than we have to look at it in its full contexts and agree the the rapture happens after the tribulation. I’m having a hard time finding that this occurs before the tribulation based on this scripture. I’ve always believed we get caught up before the tribulation. I would really appreciate some clarity.”
My sister in Christ🙏, Matthew 24 is not about the tribulation and the Body of Christ, it cannot be as Paul tells us that his message is a MYSTERY, and further more that it had to be a mystery "lest the son of man never had been crucified". The book of Matthew was before the Lord gave Saul his message on the road to Damascus, and then changing his name to Paul....if Paul's message was a mystery "held secret since before the foundations of the universe", then Matthew could not have been talking to us Christians (Body of Christ). We Christians are a fully different group from Israel and the tribulation is not meant for us. Remember, Paul informs us that " it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me" when we accept Jesus as our savior. Does it make any sense to you that the group who has Jesus Christ living in them, as well as being the vessel of the Holy Spirit, would be left here to endure a time called "the times of JACOBS troubles" (Jacobs name bring changed to ISRAEL)???
You must study as a Berean, whom Paul extolled, as they studied scripture for DOCTRINE, and not Theology..... which is MAN'S take on God rather than doctrine derived from studying scripture accurately and contextually, May the Lord bless and keep you until that "Great and wonderful day" 😄🙏
Please check out Lee Brainerd and Ken Johnson concerning the early Church fathers belief concerning the Rapture
Why did I think that Taylor was going to be the pre trib believer and Randy, post trib.
When it comes to the subject of the rapture I have to say that I'm with Taylor. I believe that pre trib is false doctorine. God can preserve his children through the troubles without removing them. Those who claim to have an answer that God is going to remove them will not be removed in the way that they imagine but death doesn't have to be scary. Not for those who die in Christ.
Great respectful interview. I love Brenda weltner a take on the rapture and her whole
End time series- just using the word of God
Precious Taylor-
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Be blessed ❤
Jesus already told his servants the Rapture will take place when war will break out and he will not leave his children here praise the Lord
It says no such thing. Not even close.
The Bible does clearly indicate the order. The persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyr of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
Darby only mentioned it because he had realize some of the original scriptures were left out and when he went back to the original text and translated it he found that the early church taught pre-tribulation. It was discovered that in later centuries it was removed because the religious leaders wanted people to focus on worldly things and giving money to the church and not keeping their eyes focused to the heaven. They didn’t want the common every day man To have hope that Jesus could return it any moment. Instead they wanted them to trust in the church and put their faith in the church and Derby called them out on it. Oh boy were they not happy
There’s someone who recently wrote a book with translations of early church fathers writings, it shows multiple instances of their believe in a rapture that is pre trib.
I just saw a video on it a few days ago
Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
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Rapture is God's rescue mission to all Christians who love and follow Jesus, and He will gather His people before He pours out His wrath into the world. That's when we meet Jesus up in the air. God gave me a vision about this and when I woke up, I really thought Jesus really did come and I'm jn my bed and got left behind. Thank God it was just a dream, but it felt so real.
The tribulation is the seven seals and Trumpets.
The 7th Trumpet is the bowls of wrath. The wrath of God is poured out at that time. WE, however are hear until the 7th(last) Trumpet.
[1Co 15:52 NASB95] 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Now whether there are any trumpets after the last one mentioned in the Bible(the 7th Trumpet) there is no way the last trumpet could be BEFORE the last trumpet mentioned in the Bible. However, based on what follows, it's pretty clear, the last trumpet mentioned in the Bible IS the last trumpet.
The Bible clearly states the order. The persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyr of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
My thoughts: When he comes back everybody who's name is in the book, will be invited to join to live in a resurrection body here on earth under Jesus reign.
The elect in tribulation may be the 144 000, i believe this is what Taylor is talking about.
I believe post tribulation Rapture because of the Scripture that Taylor pointed out - and like Taylor - I would LOVE for the Rapture to be pre-trib because who wants to go through all that trauma?
I used to go back and forth, until I realized a JARRING fact. Not ONE pre-trib verse actually says it. ALL verses they use to support pre-trib require you to read hidden meaning into it, or extrapolate meaning from it. However, the post trib verses all just plainly state it. No interpretation required.
The Biblical order is as follows: the persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyr of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
@@cryptojihadi265 That's pretty much how I understand it as well.
Funny my husband was post trib and the Lord told him to study rev. And now he is pre trib , you need to study the Galatians wedding
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Behold I show you a mystery. We shall all not sleep. Hello get ready.
1 Corinthians 15: 51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
a MYSTERY
at the last trumpet
everyone is changed
dead and alive
Revelation 10: 7
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the MYSTERY of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
a MYSTERY
at the 7th and last trumpet
and
Revelation 11
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Resurrection
rapture in the clouds
at the 7th and last trumpet
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the last trumpet sounds after trumpets 1-6.
then the dead get raised and the alive get changed.
When? Easy. At the end of the age, after the tribulation of those days, as Jesus said. And Paul also calls the time of the rapture his "coming" in 1Thess. 4:15. Amen?
Amen.
Rapture heretics with Paul the Apostle
2 Timothy 2:17-18 KJV
And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Rapture Heretics to fall for not rightly dividing the word of God
2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Aliens are the frogs in Revelation 16
Revelation 16:13-14 KJV
And I saw three unclean spirits [devils] like frogs [Aliens] come out of the mouth of the dragon [satan], and out of the mouth of the beast [Mohammad Bin Salman], and out of the mouth of the false prophet [The Pope].
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
I read many testimonies of people who had experiences very similar to Mr Kay in heaven, and received the message that there would be no rapture before the tribulation.
...So what is the truth? It's all very confusing.
The bible says it's a mystery.
"As in the days of Noah, people were getting married" it says people won't be expecting it- they're just living their lives when Christ returns. So it sounds like those people are not going through tribulation at that time.
J
Just read the Bible. That's the only thing that matters.
Nowhere in the Bible is pre-trib rapture indicated. All verses used by pre-tribbers require interpretation or extrapolation of hidden meaning to indicate a pre-trib rapture. Only the Post-Trib verses clearly spell it out, without having to jump all over the Bible and read hidden meaning into them. It only takes two passages to spell it out, and then all the other passages support it.
The Bible clearly states the order. The persecution and martyrdom of the Saints IN the Tribulation, THEN the Resurrection and THEN the Rapture.
[1Th 4:16-17 NASB95] 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain are caught up.
So, when is the resurrection?
Rev 20:4-5 Clearly tells us when the FIRST Resurrection takes place. Obviously, according to 1 Thess 4:16-17, the rapture has to take place after the FIRST resurrection.
[Rev 20:4-5 NASB95] 4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I [saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Since the first resurrection includes those beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and those who would not worship the beast or take his image, then that has to be after the tribulation and martyr of the saints by the beast.
Since the dead in Christ rise first, there is no possible way for the rapture to take place before the FIRST resurrection.
The order couldn't be spelled out more clearly. But there is not one verse that says we will be raptured prior to the tribulation. As a matter of fact Jesus PROMISES us tribulation. He PROMISES we will be persecuted, imprisoned and even killed for His name. The Apostles all suffered horrific deaths. Beheading is a lot easier than what they had to face.
Anybody can say the Rapture is like a vacuum or a twister because they're caught up like a twister. There should be no disagreements how about premid and post rapture you should know exactly when it will come.
As we His believers are filled with the Holy Spirit, when God withdraws His presence from the World, we too wd have to be gone would we not? I do not pick a side, it is God's best adjudication and there is scripture on both sides of the argument but I hope and pray its pre-Trib. Blessings
It’s the last trumpet - or at the end of tribulation. It can’t occur until the man of lawlessness is revealed which is mid trib. That throws pre trib completely out the window. It being at the end of tribulation does not mean God won’t protect some of his chosen people from harm. But many Christians will be tested of their faith - and I assume many will fail (worship the beast) because Paul writes of a great falling away. I mean you’ve got Christians today celebrating the beasts holidays like Halloween. It’s just conditioning for something more sinister.