@@briendoyle4680 Not sure what you're alluding to here Brien... Are you referring to the sex abuse scandal in the Church ? Or are you saying it is "child abuse" to force a mere child to consider the '4 last things' at the end of each day ? Personally, I think that it would not be healthy for a child to have to consider the four last things before age 15 or 16. I would be interested in Brant's response to my thoughts on this...
@@tongakhan230Jesus preached about this throughout His whole earthy ministry. And He will indeed return in His glory, to judge the world, according to our deeds. God is loving and merciful and He is also perfectly just.
@@levrai944 : Sorry! Jesus preached about God's Kingdom. Never about some torture chamber in the sky. Jesus' instruction to his disciples: Matthew 10:7 As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’ The same preaching accomplished by JWs today. Matthew 24:14.
Too many RCIA programs like to exclude these teachings because they might "scare people". Better to be upfront and true in doctrine than to have improperly catechized "Catholics". It is imperative to teach these things to new potential converts.
@@leonardobarbieri1292 - 1Corinthians15:51-52 is generally understood to be about the general judgement(1Thessalonians4:16-17). It doesn't answer how those who are still alive when Christ returns receive their particular judgement.
@@leonardobarbieri1292 - That contradicts 2Corinthians5:10 and what Dr. Pitre is teaching here, that everyone must undergo a particular judgement, that it is universal.
@@Sean-lv6fx "Everyone". That's kind of a rhetorical sentence. It doesn't mean that there's no exceptions. There's three or four passages in Scripture saying that "every" human being is a sinner, but we know that there's particularly two exceptions for that.
This should put to rest the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) regarding baptism of the dead, which is intended to provide baptism of those who have already died. As was spoken, death ends the opportunity to decide to follow our Savior. The dead have already received their reward, making moot any action taken by the living to change their outcome at the Particular Judgement.
IMO, live God judges instantaneously in this world, (‘consequences of our actions’ as we call it) and that may be identified as particular judgement. At death the final judgement decides our destiny.
Honest feelings, this is scary, Dr. Pitre and readers here. How can humanity catch up with God's favor judgment on going to heaven⁉️ Is it repentance and what? Hope you can reply to this while those who are still living can really catch up. Thanks and humbly praying for more the likes of you, and those viewing this. Thanks you all and thanks be to God‼️
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident. That’s is if you trusted the finish work of Christ, a saved Christian is redeemed by Jesus blood. Not by your works, We are called unto good works, for rewards and crowns to cast at Jesus feet.
It is not necessary that we die to go be with the LORD. Enoch and Elijah are two examples. Also, those who are alive at the time of Christ's coming will not have to die to be with the Lord.
Enoch me Elijah died. Many deaths of Bible characters aren't recorded. That doesn't mean that they never died. Jesus made clear that humans do not end up in any heaven - John 3:13 Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230 It doesn't help because it is wrong. First off I never mentioned heaven. This is only one indicator you are reading into everything. Second off it says directly in the New Testament that Enoch did not taste death. You must be careful to become more biblically literate and stop consuming other documents, especially those determined to be false or written under false names by liars and deceivers. Then check out Revelation and you will see that some do end up in Heaven. So your understanding of what Jesus says is faulty.
@@TheRootedWord : How does the statement that Enoch and Elijah being WITH the Lord not mean that they are in heaven. Where is the Lord if not in heaven? If anyone is going to leave earth's environment they HAVE TO DIE. That is why Paul says that the CHOSEN ONES who are still alive during these last days are changed in the twinkling of an eye into their heavenly bodies (1 Corinthians 15:51,52). They don't have to wait in a death state as Paul and others had to wait until Jesus became King in the last Century. There are a FEW humans who are CHOSEN. Reading Revelation 20:6 shows us why these are CHOSEN. Enoch and Elijah certainly couldn't have been among the CHOSEN as they lived long before Jesus came. They will enjoy a resurrection back on earth (Acts 24:15). Humans in GENERAL are going to be inhabitants of the earth as God purposed. Revelation 21:3,4 promises that too. I was just trying to help.Name calling is not nice.
@@tongakhan230 Are you a Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox? I am curious. My guess is Protestant and this is based on a concrete deficiency of Scriptural knowledge that showed up in your opening complaint of your previous comment.
@@tongakhan230 God: Can you name the spiritual places mentioned in the Bible? Protestant: Well, there's Heaven and Hell and Earth... and I guess that's it. Catholic: You forgot Purgatory. Protestant: He meant real places. Orthodox: Where do I even start! There are sooo many! God: Orthodox wins. Catholic: I was going to say that answer...
Fatger James Altman has been preaching. St Paul and the catachism of the particular judgement. For that his Bishop has removed him from his church and the diosisese
8:56 There is a problem passage for this declaration. While it may be true for most people, it has not been true for all. We can of course name Lazarus who was raised from the dead. He was not judged and sent to his destination upon death. But there is also the reference to the souls held in prison from the time of Noah, to whom Jesus went by the Spirit to preach to. This is in 1 Peter 3 "but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." [KJV] That being said, yes, our actions are a result of our persuasion or lack of persuasion in Jesus, and those we will be judged, regardless whether they are actions from persuasion or from a lack of persuasion. For Jesus prophesied of Christians acting from a lack of persuasion even religious actions and even miraculous actions, that he will say to them, "Away from me you toilers of lawlessness! I never ever knew you!" [Matthew 7 TRW], because these actions came out of a governance of their own lives, not out of God's governance of their lives. They were not doing the will of Jesus' Father in Heaven.
The judgement seat of Christ is only for the saved. They will receive rewards according to their works or better described as their service to Christ throughout their Christian life. And by far the greater part of the population are the unsaved. They will be judged at the great white throne described in Revelation Ch 20 verses 11 to 15. They will be cast into hell and there is no second chances.
Death is certain. Of course, hell follows for those who die. Even Jesus ended up in hell when he died - Acts 2:27 It is commonly called the grave. Something that follows death is a resurrection and life back on earth as Acts 24:15 and Psalms 37:29 promise. Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230Christ went to hell (Sheol) or the realm of the dead, not the hell of the damned where the demons dwell. He went there to preach to and save those who had died before the incarnation, the righteous men, women and children of the Old Testament. Afterwards He resurrected, and ascended into Heaven 40 days later. When we die we are judged as either go to hell or heaven through purgatory depending on how we lived and died. And will be resurrected on judgement day.
@@levrai944 : Jesus couldn't have gone anywhere after he died. He didn't exist. Once God brought Jesus back into existence by resurrecting him, then Jesus could go wherever he wanted. (Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. HELL is a word the KJV coined for SHEOL (Heb) and HADES (Gr). It just refers to the GRAVE. We all go there when we die. What one is misreading is probably this scripture. (1 Peter 3:18, 19) For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, Once God resurrected Jesus back into his angel form, Jesus was able to access the realm of where the wicked spirits were.
Not really. For a protestant (Luther/Calvin) works are natural fruits of Faith. If one has no works then by their logic one never had Faith to begin with. Ask a protestant to define Faith. You'll end up scratching your head because they cannot define it in practical terms. Tim Staples hit the nail on the head when he stated that Faith for a protestant is "Bolt out of the blue". It's a mystery. Protestants can therefore not reason about Faith...they cannot define it. It took me 5 years of sitting in a non-demonational Baptist/Calvin leaning "church" to understand what I just wrote. Thankfully, I am now home.
@@m4641 I think that’s where the dilemma sets in. Who can keep the commandments perfectly? So you wind up with two scenarios. The inevitable doubt that sets in when you sin, it will make you question whether you ever were in Christ, or the extreme, where once saved always saved invariably leads to I can sin freely because I’m already saved through Christ.
@@frankkienle8926 Absolutely! The OSAS is as Dr. David Anders says, "a horrible doctrine". The other aspect of eternal security of the likes of James White, MacArthur, Mike Winger is fundamentally a presumptuous position. Goes like this, "if one has Faith then they WILL have produce works." I have to tell you that I have Faith BUT I don't always DO the works. I love the Catholic teachings because they mirror reality in both body and spirit.
@@m4641 uhhhh does that mean abraham wasnt saved.. he did sin a lot. David too and solomon, kinda weird to have a once saved always saved and good works arising from faith of the elect. David sinned a lot but he had faith.
@@markv1974 Another Evangelical mystery for me is the word "saved". I think many equate the word to possessing eternal life. I assume you're protestant so you might be able to shed some light for me.
*Jesus Christ's understanding of Resurrection* Resurrection is a very big subject but applies chiefly to the resurrection on the 3rd day, when the children of God will be enveloped in a new and glorified body, (a body which will resemble the body of the one they had in the prime of their lives during the 1st day which is today), these resurrections into a glorified body can be witnessed by the children of God, as they are angelic witnesses and Christ's in their own right from the 2nd day. The reign of these Christ's is up to a thousand years, they also witness the children of men as well as angels as they transition in the 1st day to the 2nd and 3rd days. We also have an explanation of resurrection and its counterpart which is reincarnation from Our Lord when He discussed with Nicodemus the fact that there were two dichotomies regarding salvation, the physical return of a person unfit for the Kingdom of God and the spiritual exit of a person who is fit for it. Our lord consolidates this teaching when He spoke to the 'Rich young Ruler' stating his salvation was assured because of his following the law of Moses but this salvation was secondary as it involved *merely reincarnation* So one is locked into the 1st day, (Hodie or Eon), and the other released from matter into the 'Kingdom of God' as an angelic child, to begin the 2nd day The fact that this realm has existed to our knowledge for thousands of years suggests that no one is lost and are in familial groups. *Further we can set as a biblical fact that the first millennial people who followed Our Lord are arisen bodily in their 3rd day, and that the Old Testament people who followed the Law of Moses are as well* as recorded in Exodus 20:6. The teaching of Our Lord is not *about reincarnation but how to overcome reincarnation* yet he does not deny reincarnation by making a distinction between those who were *accounted worthy of the next world* Consider the teaching of the 'sermon on the mount' when He said "The meek shall inherit the earth" this is a clear reference to returning to another body (earth or matter) after one life has been spent, and contrasts with the terms required for one to "enter into the Kingdom of God" who has the burden of his own cross. Therefore the meek can inherit only material life, (because of their disposition) but they may not enter the Kingdom of God, because it requires great and determined faith. *We must also consider St John the Baptist and his role as Elijah redivivus* and in so doing call to mind the words used by Jesus to the Jews of His day, "where I am going you cannot come" . because those Jews would only achieve reincarnation but Jesus Christ is Lord of the resurrection so His own resurrection on the 3rd day was witnessed on *that* 1st day and is still being witnessed on *this* Ist day. *Yet we must keep in mind the instant generosity by which the Good Thief was accepted into Paradise* John 8;21 Again he said to them, "I go away, and you will seek me and die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come." Hebrews 6:6-8 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he sets a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, when you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak later of another day. Luke 20; 34-36 Luke 20;34-36 34 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage; 35 but those who are *accounted worthy* [meaning judged] to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 *for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels* and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection
Oh my goodness. I came back to the Church 3 years ago. My wife remains in a nondenominational but Baptist/Calvinist church. I've been sifting through the polemics of Catholicism and Protestantism for nearly 4 years. Question: is Dr. Pitre making the claim that 2 Corinthians 5:10 applies to "all people" (believers AND unbelievers)? I ask because the protestant claims that this passage corresponds to 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 in the sense that the "judgment" is to determine how many rewards the "Christian" will receive. If someone can articulate the distinctions between Catholics & protestants concerning the Bema seat judgement (particular) and Great White Thrown judgement I will be forever grateful. Ugh...trying to keep the myriad of beliefs straight is overwhelming!
Real short: I have learnt that the particular judgment occurs right after a person dies. When we die, we will have a Particular Judgment. In this trial we will find ourselves before Jesus Christ and before our life: all our acts, words, thoughts and omissions will be exposed (and how those had affected at people we were involved with during our lifetime) like a "fastfoward" movie but from God's point of view. The outcome of it won't change at the Universal judgment, because God is inmutable. Universal judgment occurs to everyone after the second coming of Jesus, and everything will be exposed. This will be an overall judgment about each and every one of us as all our acts, words, thoughts and omissions had affected and its consequences over time including way after our own death and as we were part of a bigger group, society, country, etc. Example 1: Protestant Martin Luther died in 1546, he was judged already for everything he'd done 'till his death at that year. At the second Universal Judgment he will be accountable for ALL the consequences of all of his acts, words, thoughts and omissions; and how these had affected others (from the moment of his death at year 1546), until the end of the world or Jesus' second coming. As how many got astray, triggered by his acts, words, thoughts and omissions. Example 2: Adolf Hitler was already judged in 1945, later will be accountable for the many who followed his neo-nazi ideals provoking more sins until this very age and counting. Example 3: Saint Francis of Assisi, died in year 1226. He is in heaven but his life was and is an inspiration for many 'till this day. He will be more rewarded. Hope this could be helpful. God bless.
It's different for each Pope. There are some Popes who had to spend no or very little time in purgatory, there are some Popes who will be/ have been in purgatory for a long time, and there are some Popes who will go to hell. With regards to Pope Francis we don't know.
Another anti-Biblical teaching. Death erases all sin as Romans 6:7,23 clearly shows. Sinless persons cannot be judged. Who sits on thrones and who is judged?
Romans 6:7 says "For he who has died is freed from sin" Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." I don't see where it implies "death erases all sin." Death certainly doesn't erases all sin for the damned. Romans 6:7 in context is basically saying that in baptism we are baptized into His death so that we may be resurrected with Him in eternal life. We have crucified sin, but since we are still enslaved to it while here in the flesh, but when we die we will be freed from this enslavement to sin. I don't know why you bring up Romans 6:23.
@@josephmiller3672 : If a Judge ACQUITS or FREES someone from all charges, what does it mean? Can he be TRIED AGAIN for the SAME offences he was ACQUITTED of? Romans 6:23 states that the WAGES for sin is DEATH. Thus, with a person's death he had PAID IN FULL what was owing. He is FREE of owing anything for his sin. That is why the resurrection of the dead benefit BOTH the righteous and the unrighteous (Acts 24:15). The unrighteous too get a NEW OPPORTUNITY to qualify for everlasting life on earth. This naturally means that any sin they committed before they DIED is no longer held against them. Hope I have been clear and helpful.
@@tongakhan230 Thank you for being clear and helpful, I hope I can do the same. Romans 6:23 is correct when it says "For the wages of sin is death..." What I don't understand is where you get the idea that when someone dies, he PAYS IN FULL, for the sin he has committed during his life. I don't know where in Romans 6:23 you're getting that from, all it says is that "the wages of sin is death," it doesn't say "the only wages of sin is death" or "the wages of sin is death and this is the only punishment for sin." If it was one of these then I would be able to understand where you are coming from, but unfortunately this is not what it says. "[T]he wages of sin is death..." could mean what you think it means (i.e. that the only debt we pay for sin is death) but it more likely means that death is a consequence of sin, and all who sin will have to die. This says nothing about other punishments for sin, such as eternal damnation. Acts 24:14-15 says "But this I admit to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the law or written in the prophets, having a hope in God which these themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust." I also believe that there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust (i.e. that every soul that has been separated from its body will be reunited with it.) I don't see where you're getting that the unrighteous get a new opportunity. Yes, the unrighteous will be reunited with their bodies, but they're still damned, and Acts 24:15 doesn't say anything to the contrary. If you can show me other verses that teach that death pays in full for sin or that the unrighteous will get another opportunity after death to obtain everlasting life, please do. I am very curious as to what you will put forward. (If that sounds facetious or sarcastic please know that it is not.)
@@josephmiller3672 : When Acts 24:15 clearly states that even the unrighteous will be resurrected, it logically means that they are being given a new opportunity to qualify for everlasting life on earth. Why would God waste his energy and holy spirit to recreate a person, give back his personality only to tell him to die? Makes no sense. There is no separating of bodies with some unseen entity called the soul. The living person IS THE SOUL. Genesis 2:7, KJV: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man BECAME A LIVING SOUL." Romans 6:7 clearly states that the man who dies has been ACQUITTED from sin. If a Judge ACQUITS an accused from all charges, it doesn't mean that it is temporary. Shall we read the well quoted verse: John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might NOT BE DESTROYED but have everlasting life. God doesn't show his love by destroying people. He shows his love by not allowing the dead to remain in a DESTROYED state , and thus, giving them an opportunity at everlasting life. If faith in Jesus's ransom is the criteria for everlasting life, how will Moses, King David, or any other person who died BEFORE Jesus died get everlasting life? They will be resurrected and then given the opportunity to learn about God's means of saving humans. Jesus promised the man who was dying alongside him life in a paradise. That man was a CRIMINAL. What paradise if he is resurrected ONLY TO BE TOLD THAT HE DESERVES TO DIE. When that man opens his eyes after God resurrects him, it will seem to him that only a second ago he heard Jesus' promise. He will find himself on earth and in a paradise which God's Government will restore (Revelation 21:3,4). There is no time consciousness for the dead. They do not exist (Genesis 3:19, Psalms 146:3,4). His sins ALL HAVE BEEN ERASED by his DEATH. For the unrighteous and the righteous, their judgement will come at the end of Jesus' 1,000 year rule. If people qualify to be righteous in God's sight during that period, then this promise awaits them: Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
@@tongakhan230 OHHHHH, now I understand why you are saying that the particular judgement is unbiblical. It's because you're a Jehovah's Witness. Anyways, now I know what you believe I can actually address your position. A human person is a composite with an immaterial soul and a material body. The body is animated by the soul, and hence when the body and soul separate at death the body is no longer animate and is now a corpse, while the soul persists. We can see that the soul persists after death in many passages in scripture. (Rev 6:9) "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne..." John saw the souls of the martyrs in heaven, but this can't be if they were dead. (Lk 20:37-38) "But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. Now He is not God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to Him." The Sadducees didn't believe in the resurrection, in response to this Jesus tells them that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are still alive because all live to Him. This is further shown in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. (Lk 16:22-23) "The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom." Once Lazarus died, he went to Abraham's bosom (Abraham is shown as conscious here). Once the rich man died, he went to Hell and was in torment. How were they able to experience pain or consciousness after death if their souls died as well? In response to your first paragraph, you can't logically conclude from Acts 24:15 that everyone will be given another chance at eternal life unless one's theology is forcing it on the text. All it says is that both righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected. I agree with Gen 2:7 when it says "man became a living soul," because we are living souls. And I can even to a point agree that a living person is the soul, because the soul is the seat of the intellect and the will. But to say that there is no distinction between the body and the soul is just unbiblical as shown in Rev 6:9. You also say "Why would God waste his energy and holy spirit to recreate a person, give back his personality only to tell him to die?" First, the Holy Spirit is a divine person not just a force of God, second, God doesn't recreate people He resurrects them, i.e. reunites the body and soul, third, you seem to forget that Jesus talks about a "second death" in revelation 2:11 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who conquers shall not be hurt by the second death." Romans 6:7 is talking about even though we were baptized into His death and have died to sin, we are still enslaved to sin here in the body and when we die we will be freed from being enslaved to sin. You're getting "acquitted from sin" from the New World Translation, but the JW translation is in contrast with the vast majority which say "free(d) from sin." In the sense of a slave being freed from his master, not in the sense of a criminal being freed from the consequences of his crimes. We shall read the well quoted verse. (Jn 3:16) "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." God shows his love and mercy by allowing the righteous to be with Him in eternal life even before the final judgement. God shows His love and justice by allowing the unrighteous to be separated from Him, since they did not choose Him in their life. The people of the Old Covenant were saved by having faith in the Lord and keeping the Mosaic law. Christ died for them as well, and once he died he descended into hell to preach the good news to them. (1 Peter 3:18-19) "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison..." The good thief was told “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise." (Lk 23:43) He was not told "Truly, I say to you, at the end of time I will recreate you and you will be with me in paradise." The good thief was saved because he put his faith in Jesus and professed that He was the Christ. You seem to have a very literalistic view of the bible. For example when Ps 37:29 says "The righteous shall possess the land, and dwell upon it for ever," or when Mt 5:5 says "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." You take that to literally mean the earth. To me it seems obvious that the earth in this case is a metaphor for heaven, as opposed to the unrighteous who will not possess the land and dwell upon it for ever. Or as opposed to the intractable who will not inherit the earth. In both cases the metaphor for eternal life in heaven is very strong. Sorry for the long response, there was a lot to address.
The Bible 'book' = a compendium of fire side tales and fables, recounted orally for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes from the stone age, until writing was invented, and then, many different sources, transliterations, and versions were copied and written down.. ''The Bible was created during a time where stories were verbally passed down over hundreds of years. Stories constantly morphed and changed over time, and the Bible is a collection of these. This is why it has the nearly identical flood story from Gilgamesh, and why Jesus has the same characteristics as Dionysus, Osiris, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna. The contradictions and immorality in the stories are not evidence that God is flawed or evil, but rather that humans invented him, just like the thousands of other gods that we used to, but no longer believe in.'' ..and to answer the questions of the many fears and mysteries of our universe, like 'thunder' and earthquakes, since there was no science yet. That was the old Testament!
Lord Jesus have mercy on me a sinner.
This excerpt is the definition of a Wake Up Call ⏰
My former parish priest very rightly said every night before retiring to bed we should think of the last four things. Death, judgment, heaven or hell
Child abuse!!
@@briendoyle4680
Not sure what you're alluding to here Brien...
Are you referring to the sex abuse scandal in the Church ?
Or are you saying it is "child abuse" to force a mere child to consider the '4 last things' at the end of each day ?
Personally, I think that it would not be healthy for a child to have to consider the four last things before age 15 or 16.
I would be interested in Brant's response to my thoughts on this...
@@beverleypettit3577 gods do not exist - those lies are Child Abuse...
@@briendoyle4680 lol don't be blinded
@@stephen973 pROVE YOUR gODS - now!
scary stuff. but we need to be continually reminded of it.
Not scary if we learn the truth from the Bible. This is RCC scare tactics.
@@tongakhan230Jesus preached about this throughout His whole earthy ministry. And He will indeed return in His glory, to judge the world, according to our deeds. God is loving and merciful and He is also perfectly just.
@@levrai944 : Sorry! Jesus preached about God's Kingdom. Never about some torture chamber in the sky.
Jesus' instruction to his disciples:
Matthew 10:7 As you go, preach, saying: ‘The Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’
The same preaching accomplished by JWs today. Matthew 24:14.
It will be a problem for those who believe that everyone goes to Heaven.
blame the the Vatican II Church for the fact most do
The Holy Catholic Church has an preserved divine truth.
The left and the right... that's the battle
Thanks again Dr.Pitre...🇨🇦
Calgary here. I am glad I found his videos
Thank you so much Dr. Pitre.❤️😇🙏
Thanks sir for sharing this and prayers goes to all you and your production staff and viewers here, message from the Philippines 🙏💓🇵🇭
We will be judged by the amount of love that we gave away.
Glad you are unbiased, straightforward, and knowledgeable. I must get back to listening to these everyday! Thank you!
May the Lord grant us to find mercy from the Lord on that Day. Lord Jesus, please have mercy on us, Blessed Savior.
Very insightful as usual. Thank you Dr. Pitre
Thank you, Dr. Pitre 🙏 🌹
Thanks!
Excellent
AMEN!
Proof text for the place of works done through faith in Christ by His grace in our eternal salvation
Would you do one from this Sunday gospel reading ? Couldn't quite get it.
“To no longer walk by sight but by faith” right?
yes correct, he just misspoke is all!
Hard truth
Too many RCIA programs like to exclude these teachings because they might "scare people". Better to be upfront and true in doctrine than to have improperly catechized "Catholics". It is imperative to teach these things to new potential converts.
How do those who are still alive when Christ returns receive their particular judgements? I'll check the Church's teaching on it.
1Corinthians 15, 51-52
@@leonardobarbieri1292 - 1Corinthians15:51-52 is generally understood to be about the general judgement(1Thessalonians4:16-17). It doesn't answer how those who are still alive when Christ returns receive their particular judgement.
@@Sean-lv6fx They won't receive. They don't have to. It's way better to go to heaven both in soul and body.
@@leonardobarbieri1292 - That contradicts 2Corinthians5:10 and what Dr. Pitre is teaching here, that everyone must undergo a particular judgement, that it is universal.
@@Sean-lv6fx "Everyone". That's kind of a rhetorical sentence. It doesn't mean that there's no exceptions. There's three or four passages in Scripture saying that "every" human being is a sinner, but we know that there's particularly two exceptions for that.
This should put to rest the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) regarding baptism of the dead, which is intended to provide baptism of those who have already died. As was spoken, death ends the opportunity to decide to follow our Savior. The dead have already received their reward, making moot any action taken by the living to change their outcome at the Particular Judgement.
IMO, live God judges instantaneously in this world, (‘consequences of our actions’ as we call it) and that may be identified as particular judgement. At death the final judgement decides our destiny.
Honest feelings, this is scary, Dr. Pitre and readers here. How can humanity catch up with God's favor judgment on going to heaven⁉️ Is it repentance and what? Hope you can reply to this while those who are still living can really catch up. Thanks and humbly praying for more the likes of you, and those viewing this. Thanks you all and thanks be to God‼️
1. Particular Judgment
2. General or Final Judgment
Praying for the dead? We are encouraged and told too.
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident.
That’s is if you trusted the finish work of Christ, a saved Christian is redeemed by Jesus blood. Not by your works,
We are called unto good works, for rewards and crowns to cast at Jesus feet.
It is not necessary that we die to go be with the LORD. Enoch and Elijah are two examples. Also, those who are alive at the time of Christ's coming will not have to die to be with the Lord.
Enoch me Elijah died. Many deaths of Bible characters aren't recorded. That doesn't mean that they never died.
Jesus made clear that humans do not end up in any heaven - John 3:13
Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230 It doesn't help because it is wrong. First off I never mentioned heaven. This is only one indicator you are reading into everything. Second off it says directly in the New Testament that Enoch did not taste death. You must be careful to become more biblically literate and stop consuming other documents, especially those determined to be false or written under false names by liars and deceivers. Then check out Revelation and you will see that some do end up in Heaven. So your understanding of what Jesus says is faulty.
@@TheRootedWord : How does the statement that Enoch and Elijah being WITH the Lord not mean that they are in heaven. Where is the Lord if not in heaven?
If anyone is going to leave earth's environment they HAVE TO DIE. That is why Paul says that the CHOSEN ONES who are still alive during these last days are changed in the twinkling of an eye into their heavenly bodies (1 Corinthians 15:51,52). They don't have to wait in a death state as Paul and others had to wait until Jesus became King in the last Century.
There are a FEW humans who are CHOSEN. Reading Revelation 20:6 shows us why these are CHOSEN.
Enoch and Elijah certainly couldn't have been among the CHOSEN as they lived long before Jesus came. They will enjoy a resurrection back on earth (Acts 24:15).
Humans in GENERAL are going to be inhabitants of the earth as God purposed.
Revelation 21:3,4 promises that too.
I was just trying to help.Name calling is not nice.
@@tongakhan230 Are you a Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox? I am curious. My guess is Protestant and this is based on a concrete deficiency of Scriptural knowledge that showed up in your opening complaint of your previous comment.
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God: Can you name the spiritual places mentioned in the Bible?
Protestant: Well, there's Heaven and Hell and Earth... and I guess that's it.
Catholic: You forgot Purgatory.
Protestant: He meant real places.
Orthodox: Where do I even start! There are sooo many!
God: Orthodox wins.
Catholic: I was going to say that answer...
Fatger James Altman has been preaching. St Paul and the catachism of the particular judgement. For that his Bishop has removed him from his church and the diosisese
8:56 There is a problem passage for this declaration. While it may be true for most people, it has not been true for all. We can of course name Lazarus who was raised from the dead. He was not judged and sent to his destination upon death. But there is also the reference to the souls held in prison from the time of Noah, to whom Jesus went by the Spirit to preach to. This is in 1 Peter 3 "but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." [KJV] That being said, yes, our actions are a result of our persuasion or lack of persuasion in Jesus, and those we will be judged, regardless whether they are actions from persuasion or from a lack of persuasion. For Jesus prophesied of Christians acting from a lack of persuasion even religious actions and even miraculous actions, that he will say to them, "Away from me you toilers of lawlessness! I never ever knew you!" [Matthew 7 TRW], because these actions came out of a governance of their own lives, not out of God's governance of their lives. They were not doing the will of Jesus' Father in Heaven.
The judgement seat of Christ is only for the saved. They will receive rewards according to their works or better described as their service to Christ throughout their Christian life. And by far the greater part of the population are the unsaved. They will be judged at the great white throne described in Revelation Ch 20 verses 11 to 15. They will be cast into hell and there is no second chances.
4 Last Things:
1. Death
2. Judgment
3. Heaven
4. Hell
Death is certain. Of course, hell follows for those who die. Even Jesus ended up in hell when he died - Acts 2:27
It is commonly called the grave. Something that follows death is a resurrection and life back on earth as Acts 24:15 and Psalms 37:29 promise.
Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230Christ went to hell (Sheol) or the realm of the dead, not the hell of the damned where the demons dwell. He went there to preach to and save those who had died before the incarnation, the righteous men, women and children of the Old Testament. Afterwards He resurrected, and ascended into Heaven 40 days later. When we die we are judged as either go to hell or heaven through purgatory depending on how we lived and died. And will be resurrected on judgement day.
@@levrai944 : Jesus couldn't have gone anywhere after he died. He didn't exist.
Once God brought Jesus back into existence by resurrecting him, then Jesus could go wherever he wanted.
(Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
HELL is a word the KJV coined for SHEOL (Heb) and HADES (Gr).
It just refers to the GRAVE.
We all go there when we die.
What one is misreading is probably this scripture.
(1 Peter 3:18, 19) For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but MADE ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,
Once God resurrected Jesus back into his angel form, Jesus was able to access the realm of where the wicked spirits were.
the reason the teachings on the Last Four Things have fallen by the wayside is due to Vatican II and the disastrous reigns of Paul VI and JPII
Cue protestant consternation........
Not really. For a protestant (Luther/Calvin) works are natural fruits of Faith. If one has no works then by their logic one never had Faith to begin with.
Ask a protestant to define Faith. You'll end up scratching your head because they cannot define it in practical terms. Tim Staples hit the nail on the head when he stated that Faith for a protestant is "Bolt out of the blue". It's a mystery. Protestants can therefore not reason about Faith...they cannot define it. It took me 5 years of sitting in a non-demonational Baptist/Calvin leaning "church" to understand what I just wrote.
Thankfully, I am now home.
@@m4641 I think that’s where the dilemma sets in. Who can keep the commandments perfectly? So you wind up with two scenarios. The inevitable doubt that sets in when you sin, it will make you question whether you ever were in Christ, or the extreme, where once saved always saved invariably leads to I can sin freely because I’m already saved through Christ.
@@frankkienle8926 Absolutely! The OSAS is as Dr. David Anders says, "a horrible doctrine". The other aspect of eternal security of the likes of James White, MacArthur, Mike Winger is fundamentally a presumptuous position. Goes like this, "if one has Faith then they WILL have produce works."
I have to tell you that I have Faith BUT I don't always DO the works. I love the Catholic teachings because they mirror reality in both body and spirit.
@@m4641 uhhhh does that mean abraham wasnt saved.. he did sin a lot. David too and solomon, kinda weird to have a once saved always saved and good works arising from faith of the elect. David sinned a lot but he had faith.
@@markv1974 Another Evangelical mystery for me is the word "saved". I think many equate the word to possessing eternal life. I assume you're protestant so you might be able to shed some light for me.
But didn't Vatican II abolish the concept of a particular and a general judgement? OK, just kidding.
I know you're kidding however, it sure would seem so by the way some preach / or believe.
*Jesus Christ's understanding of Resurrection*
Resurrection is a very big subject but applies chiefly to the resurrection on the 3rd day, when the children of God will be enveloped in a new and glorified body, (a body which will resemble the body of the one they had in the prime of their lives during the 1st day which is today), these resurrections into a glorified body can be witnessed by the children of God, as they are angelic witnesses and Christ's in their own right from the 2nd day. The reign of these Christ's is up to a thousand years, they also witness the children of men as well as angels as they transition in the 1st day to the 2nd and 3rd days.
We also have an explanation of resurrection and its counterpart which is reincarnation from Our Lord when He discussed with Nicodemus the fact that there were two dichotomies regarding salvation, the physical return of a person unfit for the Kingdom of God and the spiritual exit of a person who is fit for it. Our lord consolidates this teaching when He spoke to the 'Rich young Ruler' stating his salvation was assured because of his following the law of Moses but this salvation was secondary as it involved *merely reincarnation* So one is locked into the 1st day, (Hodie or Eon), and the other released from matter into the 'Kingdom of God' as an angelic child, to begin the 2nd day The fact that this realm has existed to our knowledge for thousands of years suggests that no one is lost and are in familial groups.
*Further we can set as a biblical fact that the first millennial people who followed Our Lord are arisen bodily in their 3rd day, and that the Old Testament people who followed the Law of Moses are as well* as recorded in Exodus 20:6. The teaching of Our Lord is not *about reincarnation but how to overcome reincarnation* yet he does not deny reincarnation by making a distinction between those who were *accounted worthy of the next world*
Consider the teaching of the 'sermon on the mount' when He said "The meek shall inherit the earth" this is a clear reference to returning to another body (earth or matter) after one life has been spent, and contrasts with the terms required for one to "enter into the Kingdom of God" who has the burden of his own cross. Therefore the meek can inherit only material life, (because of their disposition) but they may not enter the Kingdom of God, because it requires great and determined faith.
*We must also consider St John the Baptist and his role as Elijah redivivus* and in so doing call to mind the words used by Jesus to the Jews of His day, "where I am going you cannot come" . because those Jews would only achieve reincarnation but Jesus Christ is Lord of the resurrection so His own resurrection on the 3rd day was witnessed on *that* 1st day and is still being witnessed on *this* Ist day.
*Yet we must keep in mind the instant generosity by which the Good Thief was accepted into Paradise*
John 8;21 Again he said to them, "I go away, and you will seek me and die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come."
Hebrews 6:6-8 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he sets a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, when you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak later of another day.
Luke 20; 34-36 Luke 20;34-36 34 And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage; 35 but those who are *accounted worthy* [meaning judged] to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, 36 *for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels* and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection
Oh my goodness. I came back to the Church 3 years ago. My wife remains in a nondenominational but Baptist/Calvinist church.
I've been sifting through the polemics of Catholicism and Protestantism for nearly 4 years.
Question: is Dr. Pitre making the claim that 2 Corinthians 5:10 applies to "all people" (believers AND unbelievers)?
I ask because the protestant claims that this passage corresponds to 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 in the sense that the "judgment" is to determine how many rewards the "Christian" will receive.
If someone can articulate the distinctions between Catholics & protestants concerning the Bema seat judgement (particular) and Great White Thrown judgement I will be forever grateful.
Ugh...trying to keep the myriad of beliefs straight is overwhelming!
Real short: I have learnt that the particular judgment occurs right after a person dies.
When we die, we will have a Particular Judgment. In this trial we will find ourselves before Jesus Christ and before our life: all our acts, words, thoughts and omissions will be exposed (and how those had affected at people we were involved with during our lifetime) like a "fastfoward" movie but from God's point of view. The outcome of it won't change at the Universal judgment, because God is inmutable.
Universal judgment occurs to everyone after the second coming of Jesus, and everything will be exposed. This will be an overall judgment about each and every one of us as all our acts, words, thoughts and omissions had affected and its consequences over time including way after our own death and as we were part of a bigger group, society, country, etc.
Example 1:
Protestant Martin Luther died in 1546, he was judged already for everything he'd done 'till his death at that year.
At the second Universal Judgment he will be accountable for ALL the consequences of all of his acts, words, thoughts and omissions; and how these had affected others (from the moment of his death at year 1546), until the end of the world or Jesus' second coming.
As how many got astray, triggered by his acts, words, thoughts and omissions.
Example 2:
Adolf Hitler was already judged in 1945, later will be accountable for the many who followed his neo-nazi ideals provoking more sins until this very age and counting.
Example 3:
Saint Francis of Assisi, died in year 1226. He is in heaven but his life was and is an inspiration for many 'till this day. He will be more rewarded.
Hope this could be helpful. God bless.
This one isn't helpful, I'm more confused than ever.
Maybe you are watching a protestant and catholic?
How much time will the Pope spend in purgatory??!! 🔥🔥
It's different for each Pope. There are some Popes who had to spend no or very little time in purgatory, there are some Popes who will be/ have been in purgatory for a long time, and there are some Popes who will go to hell. With regards to Pope Francis we don't know.
@@josephmiller3672many popes who were saints went straight to heaven
Another anti-Biblical teaching. Death erases all sin as Romans 6:7,23 clearly shows.
Sinless persons cannot be judged. Who sits on thrones and who is judged?
Romans 6:7 says "For he who has died is freed from sin"
Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
I don't see where it implies "death erases all sin." Death certainly doesn't erases all sin for the damned.
Romans 6:7 in context is basically saying that in baptism we are baptized into His death so that we may be resurrected with Him in eternal life. We have crucified sin, but since we are still enslaved to it while here in the flesh, but when we die we will be freed from this enslavement to sin.
I don't know why you bring up Romans 6:23.
@@josephmiller3672 : If a Judge ACQUITS or FREES someone from all charges, what does it mean? Can he be TRIED AGAIN for the SAME offences he was ACQUITTED of?
Romans 6:23 states that the WAGES for sin is DEATH. Thus, with a person's death he had PAID IN FULL what was owing. He is FREE of owing anything for his sin.
That is why the resurrection of the dead benefit BOTH the righteous and the unrighteous (Acts 24:15). The unrighteous too get a NEW OPPORTUNITY to qualify for everlasting life on earth.
This naturally means that any sin they committed before they DIED is no longer held against them.
Hope I have been clear and helpful.
@@tongakhan230 Thank you for being clear and helpful, I hope I can do the same.
Romans 6:23 is correct when it says "For the wages of sin is death..." What I don't understand is where you get the idea that when someone dies, he PAYS IN FULL, for the sin he has committed during his life. I don't know where in Romans 6:23 you're getting that from, all it says is that "the wages of sin is death," it doesn't say "the only wages of sin is death" or "the wages of sin is death and this is the only punishment for sin." If it was one of these then I would be able to understand where you are coming from, but unfortunately this is not what it says. "[T]he wages of sin is death..." could mean what you think it means (i.e. that the only debt we pay for sin is death) but it more likely means that death is a consequence of sin, and all who sin will have to die. This says nothing about other punishments for sin, such as eternal damnation.
Acts 24:14-15 says "But this I admit to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the law or written in the prophets, having a hope in God which these themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust."
I also believe that there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust (i.e. that every soul that has been separated from its body will be reunited with it.) I don't see where you're getting that the unrighteous get a new opportunity. Yes, the unrighteous will be reunited with their bodies, but they're still damned, and Acts 24:15 doesn't say anything to the contrary.
If you can show me other verses that teach that death pays in full for sin or that the unrighteous will get another opportunity after death to obtain everlasting life, please do. I am very curious as to what you will put forward. (If that sounds facetious or sarcastic please know that it is not.)
@@josephmiller3672 : When Acts 24:15 clearly states that even the unrighteous will be resurrected, it logically means that they are being given a new opportunity to qualify for everlasting life on earth. Why would God waste his energy and holy spirit to recreate a person, give back his personality only to tell him to die? Makes no sense.
There is no separating of bodies with some unseen entity called the soul. The living person IS THE SOUL.
Genesis 2:7, KJV: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man BECAME A LIVING SOUL."
Romans 6:7 clearly states that the man who dies has been ACQUITTED from sin.
If a Judge ACQUITS an accused from all charges, it doesn't mean that it is temporary.
Shall we read the well quoted verse:
John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might NOT BE DESTROYED but have everlasting life.
God doesn't show his love by destroying people. He shows his love by not allowing the dead to remain in a DESTROYED state , and thus, giving them an opportunity at everlasting life.
If faith in Jesus's ransom is the criteria for everlasting life, how will Moses, King David, or any other person who died BEFORE Jesus died get everlasting life? They will be resurrected and then given the opportunity to learn about God's means of saving humans.
Jesus promised the man who was dying alongside him life in a paradise.
That man was a CRIMINAL. What paradise if he is resurrected ONLY TO BE TOLD THAT HE DESERVES TO DIE.
When that man opens his eyes after God resurrects him, it will seem to him that only a second ago he heard Jesus' promise. He will find himself on earth and in a paradise which God's Government will restore (Revelation 21:3,4). There is no time consciousness for the dead. They do not exist (Genesis 3:19, Psalms 146:3,4). His sins ALL HAVE BEEN ERASED by his DEATH.
For the unrighteous and the righteous, their judgement will come at the end of Jesus' 1,000 year rule. If people qualify to be righteous in God's sight during that period, then this promise awaits them:
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
Jesus reiterated this at Matthew 5:5.
@@tongakhan230 OHHHHH, now I understand why you are saying that the particular judgement is unbiblical. It's because you're a Jehovah's Witness. Anyways, now I know what you believe I can actually address your position. A human person is a composite with an immaterial soul and a material body. The body is animated by the soul, and hence when the body and soul separate at death the body is no longer animate and is now a corpse, while the soul persists. We can see that the soul persists after death in many passages in scripture.
(Rev 6:9) "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne..."
John saw the souls of the martyrs in heaven, but this can't be if they were dead.
(Lk 20:37-38) "But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. Now He is not God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to Him."
The Sadducees didn't believe in the resurrection, in response to this Jesus tells them that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are still alive because all live to Him.
This is further shown in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.
(Lk 16:22-23) "The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom."
Once Lazarus died, he went to Abraham's bosom (Abraham is shown as conscious here). Once the rich man died, he went to Hell and was in torment. How were they able to experience pain or consciousness after death if their souls died as well?
In response to your first paragraph, you can't logically conclude from Acts 24:15 that everyone will be given another chance at eternal life unless one's theology is forcing it on the text. All it says is that both righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected. I agree with Gen 2:7 when it says "man became a living soul," because we are living souls. And I can even to a point agree that a living person is the soul, because the soul is the seat of the intellect and the will. But to say that there is no distinction between the body and the soul is just unbiblical as shown in Rev 6:9. You also say "Why would God waste his energy and holy spirit to recreate a person, give back his personality only to tell him to die?" First, the Holy Spirit is a divine person not just a force of God, second, God doesn't recreate people He resurrects them, i.e. reunites the body and soul, third, you seem to forget that Jesus talks about a "second death" in revelation 2:11 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who conquers shall not be hurt by the second death."
Romans 6:7 is talking about even though we were baptized into His death and have died to sin, we are still enslaved to sin here in the body and when we die we will be freed from being enslaved to sin.
You're getting "acquitted from sin" from the New World Translation, but the JW translation is in contrast with the vast majority which say "free(d) from sin." In the sense of a slave being freed from his master, not in the sense of a criminal being freed from the consequences of his crimes.
We shall read the well quoted verse.
(Jn 3:16) "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
God shows his love and mercy by allowing the righteous to be with Him in eternal life even before the final judgement. God shows His love and justice by allowing the unrighteous to be separated from Him, since they did not choose Him in their life.
The people of the Old Covenant were saved by having faith in the Lord and keeping the Mosaic law. Christ died for them as well, and once he died he descended into hell to preach the good news to them.
(1 Peter 3:18-19) "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison..."
The good thief was told “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise." (Lk 23:43) He was not told "Truly, I say to you, at the end of time I will recreate you and you will be with me in paradise." The good thief was saved because he put his faith in Jesus and professed that He was the Christ.
You seem to have a very literalistic view of the bible. For example when Ps 37:29 says "The righteous shall possess the land, and dwell upon it for ever," or when Mt 5:5 says "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." You take that to literally mean the earth. To me it seems obvious that the earth in this case is a metaphor for heaven, as opposed to the unrighteous who will not possess the land and dwell upon it for ever. Or as opposed to the intractable who will not inherit the earth. In both cases the metaphor for eternal life in heaven is very strong.
Sorry for the long response, there was a lot to address.
The Bible 'book' = a compendium of fire side tales and fables,
recounted orally
for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes from the stone age,
until writing was invented,
and then, many different sources, transliterations, and versions were copied and written down..
''The Bible was created during a time where stories were verbally passed down over hundreds of years.
Stories constantly morphed and changed over time, and the Bible is a collection of these.
This is why it has the nearly identical flood story from Gilgamesh, and why Jesus has the same characteristics as Dionysus, Osiris, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna.
The contradictions and immorality in the stories are not evidence that God is flawed or evil,
but rather that humans invented him, just like the thousands of other gods that we used to, but no longer believe in.''
..and to answer the questions of the many fears and mysteries of our universe, like 'thunder' and earthquakes, since there was no science yet.
That was the old Testament!
Oh dear me. Another troll looking to demonstrate how enlightened he is. 🙄
@@mrjeffjob Yep - because you all never prove your gods ... like right now... hahaha
Why are you obsessed ? Have you been hurt by a believer before ?
@@briendoyle4680 you get money for this? Or you make an idiot from yourself just for fun? Take care, God bless!
@@nemgyuri Prove a god - Try! and we will watch the idiocies...