Over $2,000 for a direct blowback AR-9 that takes Scorpion mags is really lame. PSA literally beat them to the game on that one with the AR-V and it's been out for like 3 years now.
I have a suspicion Classic Firearms deliberately leaves PSA products out of their videos because of competition and other conflicting interests. Always remember these guys are selling you something. TFBTV has much better coverage of ShotShow and reviews
@@BananaRaid Yeah, I know right?? Out of all of the classic firearms videos I've watched, I have literally never heard them talk about PSA ever. They don't benefit from talking about them. All about the $$$$$.
I know they haven't done shot show in while. But for pcc 9mm the Cmmg Dissent MKG9 is where it's at. Radial delayed blowback, Glock mags, super short, no buffer tube. Plus it has half bolt mass of most everything else so it's even softer shooting than banshees. Mines been super reliable so far & I've put 800 RDS through it
PCC’s are ridiculously abundant these days & i have no clue why you would come out with another basic blow back variant to add to the pile. The hydraulic buffer that the DD PCC uses can be purchased at your favorite firearms store i.e. classic 😉and put it into any PCC that uses ar buffer or you can also get one for AR calibers as well. I would have thought dd would have went with a radial/roller delay or something different…. PCC market is swamped and wouldn’t have been my first choice in design. Grand Power .45acp roller delayed was the perfect choice
@@CrazyLegz72 your correct, maxim has their new roller delayed buffer that is also available. The buffer I was referring to was kinSHOT’s 9mm hydraulic buffer that is in the new DDPCC which you can get for $154 bucks or so. I wrote the message prior to seeing maxims new roller delay buffer system. I’m very curious how it performs. I know if it’s branded maxim defense, it’s going to be pricey.?.?
Yea I have a few already but I feel like I need a maxim and now I want one that takes DD that takes scorpion mags.. but I’m also in this to make sure my kids have the means to protect themselves
yeah im gonna wait probably at least 6 months after it comes out just incase there are any kinks that need to be worked out i dont want to fool with. @@timjr260
I've had my Ruger Pcc since they first came out. They one where you can remove the barrel. There is virtually no recoil, it breaks down really easy for cleaning. And with the Glock mags, and the provided adapter, I don't need anything else.
I have the ruger pcc .40 cal. Takedown version and I love it. I put the glock magazine well in and a Midwest industries mlok handguard with a Romeo 5 optic. TJX my baby.
@@ramsey_n_motion Yes, they confirmed that they're defiently making it. Though, what they had on the floor was just a proof of concept. It was basically a printed carbine conversion kit replacing the lower that concealed the 5.7 Rock pistol slide upper. Mechanically, it was literally a 5.7 Rock where as the finial version should have a proper bolt carrier.
Unless it’s a sub machine gun I’m not a big fan of PCC’s, I have no practical reason to own a semiautomatic PCC. But if I were to get one it would be the Ruger PC Carbine.
I still think a fair assessment of what was best at show shouldn't intentionally eliminate one brand they don't carry. At the very least without saying so. If it's the best, it's the best!
These assements are very biased towards what they sell. Not actually based on performance or functionality. They put a stribog at number 1. That alone told me a lot about their opinions.
I'm surprised Matt didn't honorable mention the PSA AKV. They keep refining and honing their akvs and the fit and finish were pretty good. Yall got patches?
Why not go scorpion mags Kaya? They hold 35 and the mags are less than 20 bucks..plus it's nice to see something other than glock compatible..and that maxim defense is sick!!
I love that classic DOE 9mm carbine carry handle and all. I just picture it as a very serviceable weapon where you could have 20 lined up on a gun rack ready to go no red dot or grips needed.
Since we let the ATF make up a bunch of unconstitutional laws and now we need to sell things as pistols when they should be sold off the shelf with stock, suppressors, vertical grips, and full auto without any bs stamps.
I'm pissed that CZ discontinued the Scorpion. Now I gotta buy a whole extra gun just to have as parts. Buying the parts that may need replacement individually costs more than just buying a whole spare Scorpion.😢
I know this is the favorite on the list. I have heard so many things about questionable reliability with the Stribog A3. Currently I am debating between the GHM9 and the copperhead guns are known for reliability. What is your take on your favorite
My favorite was the next generation keltec sub2000 that folds sideways. No its not inventive but it makes a classic just that much better. I mean those things are perfect for a backpack. You want a lil extra reach and stability to make better shots but you dont want to carry a rifle around not even atke down one. Its perfect. Have a pcc everywhere you go.
I picked up a Wraithworks Warscorp9 pcc a couple weeks ago. It takes scorpion mags and ran good for the 250 rounds i put through it so far. I didn't hear much about them at shot show, though.
I like how if Clint isn't there, Kaya takes the lead as the moderator of the video. I like their list, I would have added the Kel-Tec S2K Gen 3, or the S&W side folder, though...
I know I couldn't have been the only one who picked it. I only picked it because it is a classic made better and it already has a proven history. No it not inventive but it just makes it that much better
I like all of these but the dd, beretta and stribog for the win. I have an MPX and love it. Any new pcc coming out just shouldn’t be direct blowback. 10mm over 45 any day. Besides you can shoot 40 out of a 10mm
Jason couldn't be less interested in a series. Probably because "his hands are too big". Take a shot every time he or someone else references his hand size 😂
The most aggravating thing about most of what people are calling A "PCC" nowadays... is how most of them are NOT carbines. They're mostly pistols with braces or extending/folding stocks, and barrels that require too much paperwork. I don't get it. A true PCC shouldn't require all that. It's a simple formula... minimum 16" barrel + fixed stock + chambered in a pistol cartridge + magazine fed + semiautomatic. It's not a "big pistol". It's a carbine. It's not an SBR. It's a carbine. It doesn't require a pistol brace. It's a carbine.
Meanwhile anyone can just buy an AR Pistol in 9mm with a brace and you are good to go. No SBR Tax, no hassle (at least for now) and its got the same ergonomics and controls we all know and love. If I was looking for a PCC it would be an AR pistol in 9mm. Unless someone wants to gift me an MP5.
@miguelambriz9109 Sorta. I know that already; they're competing retailers. Thanks for making my point. That's why I commented that to remind people cause this shotshow was PSA for the win just like last year. Holosun in close second. And they're are other guntuber/influencers you can trust like TFBTV and Honest Outlaw
I am guys I think you forgot to say what the ranking criteria I assume it just means looks cool and feels cool? But if you shot them with multiple cartridge types and did it based on feel that I expect you would mention that?
*_I do not and would not advocate they use pistol caliber what are called carbines, if you want a rifle get a rifle, if you want a pistol get a pistol, but quit dicking around in the middle ground._* - Clint Smith -
That 10mm has me really excited but I had the 9mm Stribog and it was not reliable at all. I’m a bit nervous because 10mm can be tough to make reliable anyway.
I opted for the CMMG Banshee 9mm with an Aimpoint CompM5 Red dot... Plus a YH muffler.... Oh and it also takes Glock Mags... Really nice setup... TRUMP 2024
CAA MCK is all you need. $200 and you can convert most pistols into a "carbine". It's also easy to install/remove your pistol in about 60 seconds. Even some of the Gen3 MCKs make it so you can utilize existing optics on your pistol without modifications.
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5: Beretta PMXS. 4: Daniel Defense PCC. 3: Maxim Defensebl MD9. 2: Nemo Arms Mongoose. 1: Grand Power Stribog
Over $2,000 for a direct blowback AR-9 that takes Scorpion mags is really lame.
PSA literally beat them to the game on that one with the AR-V and it's been out for like 3 years now.
I have a suspicion Classic Firearms deliberately leaves PSA products out of their videos because of competition and other conflicting interests. Always remember these guys are selling you something. TFBTV has much better coverage of ShotShow and reviews
I absolutely LOVE my AR-V! Definitely can recommend!
@@BananaRaid Yeah, I know right?? Out of all of the classic firearms videos I've watched, I have literally never heard them talk about PSA ever. They don't benefit from talking about them. All about the $$$$$.
And the AK V is no slouch either
Right just buy the scorpion 😂
Glad you guys like the 10mm and the soon to be .45. Thanks for coming by, now you just need one to "test"
I know they haven't done shot show in while. But for pcc 9mm the Cmmg Dissent MKG9 is where it's at. Radial delayed blowback, Glock mags, super short, no buffer tube. Plus it has half bolt mass of most everything else so it's even softer shooting than banshees. Mines been super reliable so far & I've put 800 RDS through it
I just bought the Dissent in the MK4 6.5” 9mm flavor. Super excited to receive it and eventually get a 5.56 rifle length upper for it as well.
I feel like PSA AKV ang PSA ARV are on the top of this list.. pricewise, reliability and looks!! PSA all the way!
Psa is cheap dogshit lmao. Stop it.
def not cheap tho
The Nemo Arms Mongoose stands out in the Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC),
PCC’s are ridiculously abundant these days & i have no clue why you would come out with another basic blow back variant to add to the pile. The hydraulic buffer that the DD PCC uses can be purchased at your favorite firearms store i.e. classic 😉and put it into any PCC that uses ar buffer or you can also get one for AR calibers as well. I would have thought dd would have went with a radial/roller delay or something different…. PCC market is swamped and wouldn’t have been my first choice in design. Grand Power .45acp roller delayed was the perfect choice
That was Maxim defense whose buffer could be purchased separately. Which if you already had a direct blowback is really cool IMO.
PS agree with the Grand Power 45ACP.
@@CrazyLegz72 your correct, maxim has their new roller delayed buffer that is also available. The buffer I was referring to was kinSHOT’s 9mm hydraulic buffer that is in the new DDPCC which you can get for $154 bucks or so. I wrote the message prior to seeing maxims new roller delay buffer system. I’m very curious how it performs. I know if it’s branded maxim defense, it’s going to be pricey.?.?
Yea I have a few already but I feel like I need a maxim and now I want one that takes DD that takes scorpion mags.. but I’m also in this to make sure my kids have the means to protect themselves
Their 10mm is 🤌🏻
im looking forward to the psa krink, x57 and the sds mp5
Same here with the krink, I'm interested in how well it'll hold up but looks good and they're aks have gotten better
yeah im gonna wait probably at least 6 months after it comes out just incase there are any kinks that need to be worked out i dont want to fool with. @@timjr260
I've had my Ruger Pcc since they first came out. They one where you can remove the barrel. There is virtually no recoil, it breaks down really easy for cleaning. And with the Glock mags, and the provided adapter, I don't need anything else.
I have the ruger pcc .40 cal. Takedown version and I love it. I put the glock magazine well in and a Midwest industries mlok handguard with a Romeo 5 optic. TJX my baby.
I have one. I love it!
Despite being a concept, I expected the PSA X57 to be at the top of the list.
It's a MP7 clone in 5.7 with a price point of $1k built by PSA.
Not to mention that one Rep said they're working with a trigger company to give it a binary mode.
It’s not a concept, they’ve said on a few platforms it’s getting released no matter the votes
@@ramsey_n_motion Yes, they confirmed that they're defiently making it. Though, what they had on the floor was just a proof of concept. It was basically a printed carbine conversion kit replacing the lower that concealed the 5.7 Rock pistol slide upper.
Mechanically, it was literally a 5.7 Rock where as the finial version should have a proper bolt carrier.
Unless it’s a sub machine gun I’m not a big fan of PCC’s, I have no practical reason to own a semiautomatic PCC. But if I were to get one it would be the Ruger PC Carbine.
Nice list. The LWRC IC9, Ruger's LC 45acp, and the gen3 Sub2000 were also cool.
By the way I'm liking this new addition (Jason}.
not seen your top 5 yet but mine is JP, JP, JP, JP, & JP.
I still think a fair assessment of what was best at show shouldn't intentionally eliminate one brand they don't carry. At the very least without saying so. If it's the best, it's the best!
These assements are very biased towards what they sell. Not actually based on performance or functionality. They put a stribog at number 1. That alone told me a lot about their opinions.
I'm surprised Matt didn't honorable mention the PSA AKV. They keep refining and honing their akvs and the fit and finish were pretty good.
Yall got patches?
Why not go scorpion mags Kaya? They hold 35 and the mags are less than 20 bucks..plus it's nice to see something other than glock compatible..and that maxim defense is sick!!
Thank-you for explaining the acronyms! lol
I love that classic DOE 9mm carbine carry handle and all. I just picture it as a very serviceable weapon where you could have 20 lined up on a gun rack ready to go no red dot or grips needed.
I wouldn't consider a PCC if it doesn't accept scorpion mags.
Why? Is it much better than Glock mags?
It would be cool if there were actually more than 1 pcc in this. Since when did pistols become PCCs?
Since we let the ATF make up a bunch of unconstitutional laws and now we need to sell things as pistols when they should be sold off the shelf with stock, suppressors, vertical grips, and full auto without any bs stamps.
Any update on the pistol brace issue?
Its no longer an issue
Need some more 10mm love 😂
Kriss vector
I think 10mm full power would be _perfect_ for PCC, and I'm not even feeling PCCs anymore since .300 blackout exists
Yep. The Stribog sp10 with 10mm Liberty Civil Defense 60gr moving at 2400+fps will be my backpack PCC
I'm pissed that CZ discontinued the Scorpion. Now I gotta buy a whole extra gun just to have as parts. Buying the parts that may need replacement individually costs more than just buying a whole spare Scorpion.😢
Direct blowback is lame from Beretta. I’ll stick with my radial delayed Mk57 Banshee for now.
They’ll never be as modern as cmmg 😂
My thoughts exactly
Love my banshee in 10mm
They should've had the MK 57 Dessent on the list too, AWESOME truck gun!
1:48 YOU GUYS MISSED PSA
I know this is the favorite on the list. I have heard so many things about questionable reliability with the Stribog A3. Currently I am debating between the GHM9 and the copperhead guns are known for reliability. What is your take on your favorite
My favorite was the next generation keltec sub2000 that folds sideways. No its not inventive but it makes a classic just that much better. I mean those things are perfect for a backpack. You want a lil extra reach and stability to make better shots but you dont want to carry a rifle around not even atke down one. Its perfect. Have a pcc everywhere you go.
The Show Low Black Jack 9mm with its "detent delay" looked really cool. Its looks like Steam Punk met Cyber Punk and had a child in Russia.
I picked up a Wraithworks Warscorp9 pcc a couple weeks ago. It takes scorpion mags and ran good for the 250 rounds i put through it so far. I didn't hear much about them at shot show, though.
You won't regret it! Even better than banshees!
The chemistry with these guys is great. I love how they are having a good time
I want to see more of Jason’s guns setups ? Does he have any social media ?
What about B&T?
I like how if Clint isn't there, Kaya takes the lead as the moderator of the video. I like their list, I would have added the Kel-Tec S2K Gen 3, or the S&W side folder, though...
I know I couldn't have been the only one who picked it. I only picked it because it is a classic made better and it already has a proven history. No it not inventive but it just makes it that much better
Might as well compare the new PCC's to CMMG and CZ in a future episode.
Waiting for that Stribog to drop so I can get a bday present 😁
Been on the hunt for a .45 PCC for a little bit with an 8in barrel. Might have to look into the #1 on the list.
I checked cf podcast and the newest one is still Colion Noir, would love to see more if your posting them.
Nice to hear you guys are coming to IWA again!
What about a category of small deployables. Like flux etc ...
Mongoose looks like the Scorpion and APC9 had a kid
When are y’all going to redo the intro to include “the black guy”? Love ya Jason keep bringing it.
Curious why LWRCI IC-9 is not even on mentions. I was looking to get it or DDPCC. Considered selling MPX for one of those. Thoughts anyone?
I like all of these but the dd, beretta and stribog for the win. I have an MPX and love it. Any new pcc coming out just shouldn’t be direct blowback. 10mm over 45 any day. Besides you can shoot 40 out of a 10mm
Could you guys do a top five bolt action?
Jason couldn't be less interested in a series. Probably because "his hands are too big". Take a shot every time he or someone else references his hand size 😂
I’m not too up to date with Illinois. I know I can’t buy any AR15s, but what about PCCs?
Stribog is an eye opener and deal compared to the CMMG Dissent.
Would the rdb system from Maxim work in a Cmmg banshee?
300blk pistols make the PCC obsolete
Man I dont know, while I love all of my 300blk pistols for their quiet operation I think I'd always end up choosing 10mm over 300blk myself.
If I am going to get a blowback pcc I rather go for the PSA DOE.
If i had honorable mentions they would be the AR57 and that Indonesian mp7 that shoots under water😮
Is cf and psa beefing 😂, never seen any psa stuff or mentioning.
Competing brands. They won't ever show full psa firearms.
PSA sells directly to the end user, cf gets no benefits from mentioning them. They would pay the same price for PSA stuff as you and I do.
I’m just trying to figure out how the DD PCC is a better choice than the LWRC IC-9…
If you all had to build an ar15 pistol in 22lr as a training weapon, what would your builds look like. Would one have a binary trigger.
Cmmg banshee to rule them all 😂
When is the pcc build series coming
Is the DD AR9 an MPX killer?
A SP45A3 would be a great giveaway..
What about B&T APC10? I wish i could afford one!😂
I make do with a couple of Ruger PC carbines.
Make zastava release the 9mm Master FLG
Stribog is a laser, weakest points were the mag, problem solved with the 10 and 45mm. Looking forward to the 45 for sure
What was the problem with mags?
The Beretta PMXs do take B&T APC/GHM magazine.
nemo arms mongoose > daniel defense ar9
Ah, the fabled, American carbean!!!😂
if it aint .45acp, its not worth buying....😂😂😂😂
Ammo compability with sidearm.
I like watching classic firearms content but I think their inventory is lacking and I rarely see a sale on anything I would actually buy.
When do we get the ...."Top 5 hotties Kaya was all flirty flirty with at Shot Show 24"??? Hahaha.
“I’ll pay that all day long” is the problem
I feel like these are all just... pistols. PCC. Try again?
The most aggravating thing about most of what people are calling A "PCC" nowadays... is how most of them are NOT carbines. They're mostly pistols with braces or extending/folding stocks, and barrels that require too much paperwork.
I don't get it. A true PCC shouldn't require all that. It's a simple formula... minimum 16" barrel + fixed stock + chambered in a pistol cartridge + magazine fed + semiautomatic.
It's not a "big pistol". It's a carbine. It's not an SBR. It's a carbine. It doesn't require a pistol brace. It's a carbine.
Stribog in God’s caliber. The only thing worth it. Subsonic by default begs for a whisper pickle to make it the ultimate PCC.
Lefty here but I shoot the right way😂
Ditto bro
I love my Stribog.
How are they not going to mention the X57. Literally every youtuber raved about.
The only 2 that interested me is the DOE clone and the pindad PM12
If you want a rifle, get a rifle. If you want a pistol, get a pistol, but stop dicking around in the middle ground.
Meanwhile anyone can just buy an AR Pistol in 9mm with a brace and you are good to go. No SBR Tax, no hassle (at least for now) and its got the same ergonomics and controls we all know and love. If I was looking for a PCC it would be an AR pistol in 9mm. Unless someone wants to gift me an MP5.
(P)istol (C)aliber (C)arbine the next time you abbreviate.
Not mention of the PSA X57?
Extar EP9.. 450 beans. Scratches the itch
Where is SIG MPX ?
Sig wasnt at shot show smh i wanted to see what they had
its not a new gun
Wow Sig snubs the entire industry and skipped Shot Show. There is plenty not to like about Sig.
No mentions of PSA?
Yeah, I thought the X57 was going to be their #1. I'm wondering if they skipped the PSA booth?
Why mention something you can't sell? CF is an online business,so these guys are making content to drive interest in products they sell.
@miguelambriz9109 In other words you can't trust their reviews or opinions got it.
@BananaRaid its like any other business/influencer, If the service is free you're the product.
@miguelambriz9109 Sorta. I know that already; they're competing retailers. Thanks for making my point. That's why I commented that to remind people cause this shotshow was PSA for the win just like last year. Holosun in close second. And they're are other guntuber/influencers you can trust like TFBTV and Honest Outlaw
Bouta build a pcc upper for my AR...happy building all 2024, my friends 🫡
I am guys I think you forgot to say what the ranking criteria I assume it just means looks cool and feels cool? But if you shot them with multiple cartridge types and did it based on feel that I expect you would mention that?
It so annoying when guns shops don't know what pcc is
Why are these shown as pistols, not PCCs? Where are the 16 inch barrels that make them a carbine?
Jason always getting left out in the intro 😢 😂
*_I do not and would not advocate they use pistol caliber what are called carbines, if you want a rifle get a rifle, if you want a pistol get a pistol, but quit dicking around in the middle ground._*
- Clint Smith -
psa concept is cooler then most of this stuff LOL
What do you guys think of Bear Creek Arsenal's BC-10mm PCC?
That 10mm has me really excited but I had the 9mm Stribog and it was not reliable at all. I’m a bit nervous because 10mm can be tough to make reliable anyway.
The PMX from Berretta is without the brace is useless.
I bought a kriss vector it's so fun
I opted for the CMMG Banshee 9mm with an Aimpoint CompM5 Red dot... Plus a YH muffler.... Oh and it also takes Glock Mags... Really nice setup... TRUMP 2024
All I know is Zenith ZF5.
KAYA GOT THE SHOT SHOW CRUD
KRISS VECTOR GEN 3 over the DD PCC any day
CAA MCK is all you need. $200 and you can convert most pistols into a "carbine". It's also easy to install/remove your pistol in about 60 seconds. Even some of the Gen3 MCKs make it so you can utilize existing optics on your pistol without modifications.