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DELTARUNE / Kris is Dess! / Holidays, Angels, and More!
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Intro: 00:00
Premise & Similarities: 01:42
Family Parallels: 04:53
Unique Attributes: 06:16
This is Halloween!!!: 08:37
Dark Worlds, Skies Forever Blue, and Pink Girls: 10:24
So what?: 13:25
Revelation: 14:42
Outro: 15:54 - เกม
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The real reason Dess disappeared was because she actually became Sans, by extension of being Ness
THATS WHY HE JUST MOVED IN OH MY GOD
I love and hate this lmao
Trans
hi semi
In mathematics, we call that "the sansitive property"
the "plays guitar" thing might be more of a parallel to ness than youd assume actually. during earthbound, ness can learn a signature PK attack which takes on the name of whatever you entered in as your "favorite thing" during the games opening name entry sequence. if you dont put in anything yourself and just go with the default for this, its name becomes "PK Rockin". read into that what you will
Not liking this only because of 69 likes.
@@nickdagr8wiz you can like this now
Ness actually does play guitar. Itoi wrote lyrics to Earthbound's credits song "Smiles and Tears", which likely is from the perspective of Ness. One of the lines mentions a "very worn guitar pick".
Holy moly
What happens if you enter something like Fire, which already has an attack named that?
The Sans is Ness meme theory inadvertently coming back to help inspire you with this one and solve everything is the most bitter of irony I've seen in this community.
Did this video age very well or very poorly? I'm not sure...
I hope you don't have siblings
@@dariokillsaman2111 I do... but my family hates me soI never talk to them or see them
I would find it really interesting if Dess was supposed to be like the perfect main character type, and then something horrible happened and she went missing, and now the world saving is left to the flawed side characters and the fucked-up human…very edgy and cool idea to me. Also, I like your theory and I think Toby was definitely inspired by Ness making Dess. I wonder what other places he drew from as well
And the Harem protag of Susie
this idea of saving the world being left to the "b heroes" is very "mother 3" - claus is the typical protagonist, being brave, friendly, etc.. he goes out to avenge his mother but is killed along the way by unnatural means, leaving the role of hero to the much more unsuitable lucas
Actually, I really like this theory because Toby originally wanted hometown to be full of humans instead of monsters.
It wouldn't surprise me if Toby actually changed that because it was too similar to Earthbound.
Or too similar to Omori
I am mentally preparing myself for this.
Me rn: O H B O Y O H M A N O H J E E Z O H D E A R
You just can't be an older sibling in Toby Fox's games without one such theory.
Asriel is Ness?
@@AshenDust_ yes.
I wanna point out that there are also strong connections between Kris and Lucas especially them being the only ones in their respective games that are able to seal dark fountains/pull out dragon needles
So the possibility that Dess is a member of a previous generation of lightners that went adventuring into dark worlds but never came back isn't that far fetched
Dess goes on adventure, never comes back
i'm sorry i had to
@@WhoStoleKirya73masked woman intensifies!
And both have a dead/missing brother who came back in another form 💀
i mean, claus can pull dragon needles too.
Somewhat On topic but as an avid Earthbound and Deltarune fan, In the original 90's Earthbound, Paula is a deeply religious girl who has a strong connection to her faith and its implied a large part of her power comes from it. During the final battle with Giygas and Porky, The fight is won by Paula praying for someone to come and help them defeat their enemies, of which multiple cutscenes play of the characters of the story praying for Ness, Paula, Jeff, and Poo. We know that there is, whether to a large degree or not, religious overtones in Deltarune, and we know that Noelle is a regular church goer with a strong connection to the angel. I would assume by proxy, Dess could be similar to her sister in this way.
And also, guess whose praying has struck the final blow to Gyigas?
The Player's.
Which further proves that Player is *connected* straight to Deltarune
Sans saying "The antlered girl and her sister" has been troubling me for so long, I always interpreted it as Dess being a non-deer species, maybe a human like Kris?
bruh that would be such a plot twist
I don't think Sans ever even met Dess, hence the vague language. He's new to town, so he just hears her in passing as a "sister",
it's just proper grammar, what sounds better?
the antlered girl and her antlered sister or the antlered girl and her sister. by extension, the sister would also have antlers. he doesn't NEED to mention that.
Why would a human be in the underground just living there?
Hey! I'm enjoying the video so far but couldn't help but notice you listed Dess playing the guitar and Ness not playing any instruments as unique attributes when in fact they're more of another similarity. In the official lyrics by Shigesato Itoi to "Smiles and Tears" (the ending theme for EarthBound), sung from the perspective of Ness, he makes note of "his own guitar pick, shiny and clear". His affinity for Rockin' also suggests this as pointed out by another commenter.
It's actually a clever idea to reference the "Halloween Hack". "Deltarune" is the evolved/finished form of an unnamed game, which might have been called Deltarune if released. Let's call it Protorune to differentiate it from Deltarune. While Deltrarune and "Halloween Hack" are a near decade apart, Protorune would have been planned out between Halloween Hack and Undertale. Meaning there could be more of a Halloween Hack influence on Deltarune than we'd first think due to the time gap depending on how much of Protorune survived into Deltarune.
Really, Protorune is an interesting black box as means Deltrarune isn't a strict Undertale sequel. Both Undertale and Deltarune seem like they are different attempts at making Protorune real. Undertale trimming it down to a simpler game and Deltarune attempting to realize Protorune with years of gained experience.
Great video. I noticed that Dess also has similarities to another Mother character, Claus from Mother 3. Their both the older siblings to their timid and blonde younger siblings. Early on in Mother 3, Claus goes missing, and its a big mystery and plot point of the game to find out where he is and what happened to him. The same is with Dess, where she is missing from Deltarune. Saying anything else would be spoilers, but im interested in seeing if their fates end up being similar.
People would guess this theory to be a mess but i expected no less than greatness from dess is ness, bless you for all this awesomeness
Yess!
An interesting localization decision for the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG was censoring "Death" as "Des" on several cards. For example, "Death Frog" was censored as "Des Frog".
Dess appears to be a nickname that truncates December and is likely spelled that way to make the pronunciation obvious (in contrast to Roulx Kard). But if her nickname is also a reference by Toby to this Yu-Gi-Oh censorship quirk, that would connect Dess to death and be an ominous piece of foreshadowing.
"Ness only has one outfit"
smh I will NOT tolerate this slander towards Ness' pajamas
I can confirm that Dess is Ness (Toby told me himself!!!)
Sorry WHAT?? That's so huge do you have evidence of this or a source or something?? That's so awesome
@@LevGreen-Wells Well, Toby “Radiation” Fox is ackshually my dad, so he told me the plot of Deltarune. Trust me bro.
@@CricketyCrickey thats the most unfunniest comment
@@Germanpeartz yeah my attempts at being funny are for naught 😢
@@CricketyCrickeyI found it funny
FINALLY someone is bringing up the similarities between the Halloween Hack and Deltarune. Honestly, while it has aged badly and Toby wants to distance himself from it, I think the main points the Halloween Hack has tried to tell are both ambitious and pretty good, and there are a LOT of parallels between the things happening in it and Deltarune to the point that I and some other people think that Deltarune will be a somewhat retelling of the Halloween Hack.
Something else that people have overlooked is the fact that Deltarune was meant to be the first game, the first story Toby wanted to tell on his own after the Halloween Hack. This is important because it not only means that stuff in Undertale should be examined as a possible foreshadowing into Deltarune, but also means that as a story that was meant to come out after the Halloween Hack. Toby has said in many occasions that the idea and plot for Deltarune was something he saw as a dream around 2011-2012 (which is also referenced in the track April 2012, the time that Toby supposedly started working on/planning Deltarune) and wanted to put it out to the world.
Sealing dark fountains is pretty similar to gathering the needles in mother 3. There are likely gonna be like 7 of them. They make you stronger when you collect them (just like how your level goes up when you seal dark fountains). I think that when you follow this pattern you see that the final boss takes place at the final fountain. In mother 3 this final boss was your lost brother. Maybe the final boss in deltarune will be a different lost brother.
Add on to comment: After thinking about it there’s so many more connections between mother 3 and deltarune than just this. I feel like people only focus on earthbound for connection’s to deltarune, but I feel you can also find many in mother 3.
I want to add that Toby's inspirations for Deltarune also come from games like SMRPG which have Seven stars, or to dig further on that both of the good Paper Mario games have 7 stars to collect for Mario along with literal numbered chapters mirroring each of them. To strengthen that connection, watch through a level during Valentina's takeover of Nimbus Castle in SMRPG. It's uncanny how similar she is to Queen outside of her obvious objectification in design for SMRPG that isn't present in Deltarune's Queen. Other than that one pretty obvious reason for a retcon, they're very similar in how they operate, especially in Valentina's boss fight where she also has an incompetent bird underling at her service. This is all to say, I kind of think using this line of logic is a little anecdotal. The deepest it goes for me is that Toby probably played these games growing up and they instilled a lot of subconscious ideas into his head, all which he drew from when crafting a very similar genre of RPG. But it is interesting to think about all the coincidences between these games.
I really like the tone of this one, Jaru! My favorite part is when you finally let the outro music resolve itself, which clearly symbolizes how all the pieces are finally starting to come together.
6:18 Actually, Ness has two different outfits, his pajamas at the start of the game and his standard outfit. (Three if you count his Magicant appearance in the Japanese version as an outfit)
One of the coolest Deltarune Theorists in the community!
Really enjoy your content dude. Hope you have a nice day :D
Thanks, you too! :D
also kris's dark world outfit looks similar to varik from the halloween hack, maybe kris is a sort of reference to varik taking the "hero" role ness during the Halloween hack or kris taking the role after dess disappeared
It's videos like this that keep my anticipation building for everything to come in future Deltarune chapters. Please never stop crafting insane theories! You are amazing Jaru!
Thank you!
I’ve been binge watching these Deltarune theories and analysis videos for a couple days, especially love the longer videos, cuz I can have them on in the background while doing other stuff.
Even if you are unhinged, you make pretty good stuff!
Thank you!
Haha me too
I always thought the "Noelle has pills in her dark world room"-part was cut due to the potential it has of being misinterpreted. Like it could be that she's trans but it could also be that she was simply looking up medicine for Rudy that could potentially cure him. But these are just my thoughts on this.
Also I'd like to add that the moon in Noelle's room looks like a baseball, furthering the connection Dess has to baseball!
Things in her room are connected to her search history, pills are highly probably to be for her father, also if toby wanted noelle being trans thing, it would be obvious.
Also I just checked, the pills are from an UNUSED sprite of her room, so that theory makes even less sense
@@grianjuju9438yes, that's exactly what the comment you replied to said
@@pureinsanity933 no? They didn't say anything about the pills being part of the unused version of that room, or that toby is more obvious with that stuff.
@@grianjuju9438they said the pills were cut
haven't watched it let but this already feels like a april fools joke on a mundane day
edit: ok he has not gone insane yet
Perhaps the true Ness was the friends we made along the way.
Guys. He actually included the "trans noelle" pseudomeme headcanon from r/Deltarune in one of his theories. He's officially gone feral.
I appreciate the thought you put into every video even this "shorter" one. Your videos never feel rushed and the info always feels complete even when there are questions we can't answer yet.
I'm glad you're still around
That is very sweet of you to say. Thank you for the kind words and support. x)
Just finished the video, and wow, I did not expect that level of clarity. It would definitely explain… some things, albeit a bit far-fetched. I hope you all have a good day 🐁🐁
This is exactly yhe kind of brain rot I like to hear. Every time someone drops a new crack theory that extrapolates a single dialogue box into a massively complex narrative, an angel gets its wings. Subbing.
Nice! Welcome aboard! :D
Hey Jaru, I don't know if you knew this but Ness appears in Toby Fox's other Earthbound hack called Arn's Winter Quest. The hack is set in a winter themed land full of snow. Ness is the only character originally from Earthbound to appear there. There's also a good piece of armor in that hack called Sky Cloak that protects from some elements, I don't remember which tho. This is just some food for thought.
You're theories are severely underrated. The last 5 minutes gave me chills. I will be looking forward to your future videos.
Thank you so much!
I actually thought Dess was a human back in Chapter 1 because of how Dess seemed to be a massive reference to Ness, but now that we know she's Noelle's sister that theory is done. But I still agree that she is at least inspired by Ness, but I still had no idea about the connections to Ninten, and after hearing the name of Ninten's mother this can't be a coincidence. And that part at the end with Gaster is peak Jaru. I can't wait for that video where you reveal that Gaster, Sans, Papyrus, and Kris are all the same person.
Fun fact, Noël (Christmas) in French is a name used for all genders. Could support the theory that Noëlle could be trans
"dess is ness"
"dess is kris"
Dess is Casey Hartley, and we all know it in our hearts.
(even if Mae is the one with the guitar and bat)
Lil comment on 6:15 Ness' signature move can be whatever name you want it to be, and by Default it's called "PSI Rockin", like a "Rock and Roll Guitar". Not saying he can play a guitar, but he probably really likes music with Rock and Roll Guitars
Can't believe Mat Pat played as Dess in the fnaf movie
Mother 3 not mentioned, huh? But there's so many parallels you can draw with it!
5:31 made me laugh hard for a moment; wanted to tell friends about that, but then I remembered a new law accepted in Russia just several days ago...
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That’s it, he’s gone insane. I can tell from the title alone. (/j)
This reminds me of the theory that Deltarune will be a retold of Earthbound Halloween Hack.
Toby you need to drop Chapter 3/4 this man is going mad (lovingly)
YOU CANT JUST TEASE THE WILDEST THEORY OF ALL TIME AND LEAVE IT 😭😭😭
I literally checked the date on this video to see if it was posted April 1st because of that lol. Looking forward to whenever you have the time to pull that theory out of the bag!
favorite type of jaru video is the type where u can’t tell if it’s a shitpost when u click it
Suprised you never bothered to notice the parallels to Claus in your research
The parallels to him are INFINITELY more concrete than to Ninten/Ness/Paula.
Predictions before the video starts (and random theories I have zero evidence for XD):
-Kris has murdered someone else along with Asriel, then he absorbed their souls and was cursed with Eldritch knowledge, leading to his various issues and constantly obscured face.
-The reason Noelle is so good at finding glitches, is because of her connection to Dess, who causes the ultimate glitch in reality which lead to her falling into the code of the game.
-Susie becomes a huge Dragon near the end of the game, due to character growth and her willing to forsake a normal live, in order to protect those she loves, and to be the ultimate badass. This is foreshadowed by the importance of the "How to Draw Dragons" book.
-Kris ends up as a fusion between Asriel and Ralsei, becoming the Goat Monster he always wanted to be, and gains super useful Magic skills, along with his Act skills. This will happen regardless of your choices, but your choices determine the specifics of his appearance and magic.
-Des end up creating a false reality where they can live their best lives, but then Noelle either willingly decides to go back to the reality where her father is dead and her mother is abusive, or is dragged back there by Kris and the others
That's all I can think of for now XD
Susie also said that she often thinks about becoming "Susiezilla" so that also aligns with her turning into a big monster.
the only way i could imagine susie becoming a dragon would go is if she absorbs a human soul, so I wonder how that would happen
6:16 very loose connection, but the default name for Ness’s nameable psi move is PK Rockin and guitar is basically the default “rock” instrument
matpat makes a video about undertale and earthbound being connected- the community: 😡💀🤨 Jaru makes a video connecting earthbound to deltarune- the community: 😁🧐😯
8:09
Fun Fact:
ALL of the towns in MOTHER 1 (JP) are named after holidays (Mother's Day, Halloween, etc.)
at first i was so incredibly skeptical, but now… i’m hooked! looking forward to the next theory, so excited
Bro NO WAYYY!! This is another great video of yours, but THAT cliffhanger??? I can't wait oh lord!!! You're absolutely my fav UT/DR youtuber!!
Thank you so much!!
This gotta be my favourite video of yours yet, the ending actually gave me chills. I'm genuinely excited for what's next.
I'm glad!!
The avarage Delatrune fan trying not to connect every theory to Gaster:
im saving this for when i need content to listen to while drawing
God I loved this video so much. You got me smiling and glued to the screen from beggining to end ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Didn’t Toby Fox say he doesn’t really want people to remember him for Halloween hack? I don’t know if using it as evidence is a very good idea.
I think that this is definitely a stretch. Like, Deltarune is definitely inspired by the Mother series, but honestly most of these similarities could just be coincidences. Especially considering we don’t know much about Dess, and have to make many assumptions about her character.
Besides, Frisk is much more clearly inspired by Ness, being a kid with a striped shirt and doesn’t talk much.
i always love jaru's videos, there is so much work and thought put into it and always blows my mind. I had never considered that there's something deeper to noelle having antlers other than character design. Even if it's not canon it's a very well thought theory.
Your speed has gotten alot better!! Great vid Jaru!
It's not often I catch a Jaru upload this early. The title and thumbnail are very very interesting, and I'm excited to see what you have in store for this video. Keep the quality uploads coming Jaru! ^_^
Edit: oh god Jaru mentioned trans Noelle. I'm almost afraid to check the subreddit's reaction to this
Hope you enjoy it! And thank you! x)
I always randomly catch them between 3 minutes and 25 minutes
This is a narrative theory, and very good. It really gets you thinking about the intertextual elements present in the game.
HE'S NESS, SHE'S NESS, YOU'RE NESS, I'M NESS, ARE THERE ANY NESS' I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?
meow
boy do i love kooky funny and amazing theories from the one and only jaru
Ooooh! Hype! Can’t wait for the mega theory! Great job Jaru.
Thanks! 😁
Yeah i have seen a lot of people mention Noelle might be trans because she got antlers, but do they forget her whole family is based on Christmas? She could be a reindeer and we all know both male and female reindeer got antlers.
Bro made a game theory move
8:08 This was the part that made me lean forward in my chair and lock in
You have my complete interest now
Nice!
Nooo the cliffhanger-
this is a great video cuz it stands on its own as a great piece of analysis even seperated from the jaruverse! btw, mother 3 features a boyish, protective child going missing and being mind controlled by the villian to fight their timid sibling. this could possibly be dess is the knight credence? maybe gaster is controlling her soul just like kris's soul is being controlled, creating a thematic parallel between the protag and antag? who knows!!! xP
Thank you! And good point!
Ah yes the Dess is Ness theory has to be true bc it rhymes
That Revelation section feels like when the detective with pics and clues hung up all around the room, and they're feeling frustratedly stumped, until, while staring at one clue, they happen look at all the clues from an angle from which everything lines up, and their eyes go wide with shock: they've done it, how did they not see it before!
Amazing video as always Jaru
Glad you think so!
another incredible video jaru!!
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
I have been waiting for this video for a while
Can’t wait for the big video coming up
Jaru's really losing it without the third chapter.
Now I am buying parts of this theory, mainly that dess is inspired by ness in character, but I don't think it has any narrative weight at all. It'd take a really big swing to hit that big theory home if it relies on this one too heavily.
didn't mention that the character varik from brandish that replaces ness in EB:HH looks a lot like Kris, more specifically the Dark World one...
the idea of characters going missing from their worlds and/or suddenly appearing in different worlds in place of those who disappeared, like the guy from Brandish, makes me think about characters like Lancer and Rouxls entering worlds that aren't their own and not being able to survive for long because they "don't belong" there. makes me think about how Kris is written like a sort of "outsider" kid who "doesn't belong" in their hometown. it makes me wonder if being in the light world makes kris safe from turning to stone or some similar issue, or if the light and dark worlds aren't really as different as we think. it makes me wonder if your teased video is going to claim Kris really is a slightly older Frisk who somehow crossed over from Undertale (whether literally "the same" Frisk or an AU or different timeline or w/e). and now i'm wondering if maybe Dess would have wound up the new protag of a different game world too if she hadn't gotten trapped. Maybe she was in the process of traveling from one world to another but was stopped by Gaster.
6:35 EARTHBOUND SPOILERS BELOW!
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Ness also has a "dark world design" in the form of the robot body he inhabits when the kids go to the future to fight Giygas. It remains to be seen if this becomes a parallell with Dess.
Oh, and he also wears his pajamas in Magicant. (and at the start of the game) That's another possible source of inspiration for Dess's potential dark world design, if Toby wishes to go in this direction.
God, I did not have the right to be so hyped in the last part XD
Looking forward to that theory!
Least unhinged Jaru Theory. love to see it
I was so 100 percent sure that at the end his big theory build up (ESPECIALLY when he said 'What is sans' and 'including a time machine') was going to end with 'i've realized... sans is ness' i was shocked when i was wrong. utterly flabbergasted
the truth has been revealed. deltarune, toby fox's own and oldest original idea for a project which is also the reason why undertale was created, is actually another earthbound fangame
toby fox is in shambles rn
As the strongest darkness, Dessgoat, fought the fraud, Gaster, she began to open her dark fountain.
Gaster shrunk back in fear.Then Dessgoat says
*Stand proud Gaster,you are ness*
I missed your Deltarune/Undertale theories! 😁
Most sane jaru's theory
I was under the assumption that everyone was in agreement that The Holidays where reindeer.
Which female reindeer can have antlers.
“Which female reindeer can have antlers”? All of them.
the gaster theory is the thing ive been waiting for all this time. knowing that it's closer than ever before is relaxing
I don't like tying in the Halloween Hack plot point because Toby himself discredited Matpat's theory for tying back to it, but I still do see a Mother inspiration for Dess going missing. I could come from Claus going missing in Mother 3, it would fit because Claus is Lucas's older brother just like how Dess is Noel's older sister
This is a really cool AU idea
Papyrus orginally looked like Dedan from Off, so Toby Fox isn't above taking inspiration from characters off of the games he loved. I hope people don't get so serious about these theories since most of the time they're all in good fun.
OH GOD I'M HAVING FLASHBACKS TO THE "SANS IS NESS" THEORY-
Professor Jaru showing back up with a slideshow and a crackpot, we love to see it.
I liked very much this video!!! Is a very good theory. The Gaster theory seems to be very interesting!! We have time until the new chapters release to take your time to make that one xD. When I first saw the thumbnail I thought this was a joke jajajaja
Glad you enjoyed it! xD
Idk if I just missed an important post or what, but with the evidence brought up in this video I can see that trans-Noelle actually does have a good few points of evidence. I thought it was just the antlers (which is dubious and why I didn't really subscribe to the theory-- but this is UT/DR so anything could technically happen). With the pills included as potential evidence and more importantly the bit about Sans implying that Noelle has antlers and *Dess does NOT* it leans more toward these details being hints toward her character.
I didn't really see much value in the theory before (other than as a headcanon), but I can see it now. Obviously whatever headcanons are fine either way but I'm thinking / talking canon here, or at least what the facts lead us to. It's certainly possible for trans or trans analogous characters to exist-- just look at UT's ghost family-- but for Noelle I think it's a bit of a different angle story-wise. I doubt it would come up as something super important but neat to think about regardless.
And then having the characters sync up as an allusion to Ness's family? Brilliant. lol
The best part of theorizing is when you finally find that ONE thing that brings everything together, glad you found it lmao
Jaru has officially become a DELTARUNE Secret BOSS
I like this idea but I don't think Toby would return to the Halloween Hack. He's made it pretty clear that he doesn't like it which gives me the impression that it isn't something we would have to look into to figure out what's going on here. I'm interested to see where you're going with this idea, though. Definitely a creative fanfic idea at the very least.
Oh god I've realized...
Ness Dess nuts.
Sorry couldn't get this joke to just flew by.