Many companies still fixing their mouth to say whatever they want. Just watch a lot of the testing he does here. And those boxes will lay right there and let them print anything on it they want.
As far as .45ACP, anything over 200 grain should be +P. Being a 230, and +P they didn't stand a chance in any of the testing. What ever the projectile is made of, it still should have done something to try and open up. I'm sure glad technology has caught up and given us some good ammo these days. Thanks for another great effort/test Tools!
As a newcomer to the 1911 .45 ACP platform, I'm still very much in the training wheels phase of things. I do have some 185 grain HP but definitely over-invested in the 230 HP round for my 1911's (three Tisas, two government models and a 4.25 carry model). All my HPs are much newer manufacture, including the most recent which was 500 rounds of Sellier & Bellot 230 grain JHP .45 ACP. But moving forward, I'm definitely going to pick up some 185 grain HPs. Down the road, I intend to replace my Glock 43 with the 4.25 carry model for daily carry, good thing I caught this latest video. Appreciate your diligence and research that you do on behalf of those of us who really need the information. Godspeed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Magtech used to make one called First Defense that was a Solid Copper Hollow Point. They used to be featured in all the Taurus Firearms catalogs back in the late 1990s wnd early 2000s. They had decent performance but nothing like Barnes and some others since then. Magtech also makes a 95 grain soft point 9mm round that does better than you would expect. I shoot magtech target fmj rounds all the time. Their price is good and I have never had an issue.
Looks like the ARMY was doing it right with the 230gr ball ammo. Always loads easy, always an entry and an exit wound. But you gotta remember to do head-shots on the Zombies.
Would love to see the barrier testing for the 9mm frangible rounds like the liberty overwatch and or civil defense, the air marshall rounds you tested in one of ur previous videos, and the arx interceptor rounds. Maybe set up a sheet of plywood , glass, drywall, etc in front of ur heavy clothing barrier into the gel. I think it would be cool to see what those rounds do and even other rounds in similar situations.
Awesome thanks man . I'll keep watching keep on with the jelly tests your my go to channel when I want / need info on how ammo preforms before I spend $ on it..
Well that was a bit of embellishment to say the least on the speeds. The penetration would be good for wood’s defense but I’d pass on these. I bet some of the ammo companies shutter when they see their ammo on your channel for testing lol 😆. Good! Keep their feet to the fire. Awesome stuff as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I had a few boxes of these in 32Auto I never had any problems getting them to open up when shooting a phone book since back in 2009 that was what people around my area would call a poor man's gel test lol
I used wet phone books back in the 1990's to do ammo tests,I would load up my car at the local recycling site for phone books and end up with a couple hundred of them.I would soak them in the bath tub after cutting the bindings and haul them out in the desert,fun times😎😎😎
I agree with you that 230gr stuff is sketchy(non-performing) in 4" and shorter barrels and is only effective if all you want is penetration. I have 4" on my .45ACP, 185gr for defense, 200gr cast , powdercoated for target. With the load developed for the 200gr, it has nearly the same recoil impulse as the 185gr factory stuff, also same POI at 10yd. I'll save my 230gr stuff for when I run out of everything else.
"CBC was created in Brazil in 1926 and holds the status of Strategic Defense Company, being the primary supplier to the local military and law enforcement sectors. It serves as the headquarters for CBC Global Ammunition, the holding for a group of companies internationally active in the ammunition sector: CBC Brazil, Magtech Ammunition USA, MEN Germany and Sellier & Bellot Czech Republic."
I tried some of their 357mag loading back in the day, and it was pretty good stuff out of a 6" Ruger Blackhawk. Looks like they've downloaded it quite a bit now.
Ever test Winchester 45 flat nose Fmj red box ? Loaded pretty hot for standard pressure and affordable and might by a hard hitting option on the cheap for woods or for more penetration. 230gr .
Back in the day, the 230 gr Federal Hydra-Shok had the best reputation in compiled street stops, BUT "only from 5" barrels." That's what my old agency issued long ago (and I still have several boxes so that's what I carry). Currently, I have a USP and a RIA Commander sized 1911, neither have 5" barrels BUT neither did the SIG P220 I used to carry (and shot until it shot patters rather than groups, LOL). From the 220 it opened up fine (had to take out a feral dog that was biting and chasing kids), so I still carry it. Anyway, I'm being long-winded as usual. Great test and just shows yet again that not every hollow point round can be trusted to expand.
Another great jelly test Brotha , I always call them great ( because you always put in the time , $ and work to save us all time , money and work ) so thank you for all you do ..
I believe some ammo companies scam us by putting standard pressure loads in boxes marked +P just to make more money off of the ammo. It's already well known in the firearm world that factory 10mm loads are pretty weak most of the time. You pay for 10mm and get .40 S&W performance. Yes, there are some good 10mm loads that are loaded to full boogie 10mm specs, but they are even more pricey than the ripoff ammo. if you think about it, one of the only ways to cheat and make extra money selling ammunition is to skimp on the powder charge. When you're loading millions of rounds, even a fraction of a grain less of powder per cartridge adds up to hundreds or even thousands of pounds of powder on an industrial scale depending on what kind of powder they use. If they cheat on 10mm, why wouldn't they cheat with other rounds like the .45 as well?
It’s not a velocity problem. 230 45 velocity is tough to get to expand, but the right bullet construction will get you great expansion. Look at federals UMC and golden saber. Haven’t seen you so then with cloth, but I’ve seen them on some of that fbi organic gel with cloth and they act just like your test with them without the cloth. IMO they are the perfect balance between expansion and penetration especially the UMC. I’ve seen other rounds do one better, but neither the same. The UMC r cheap for hollow points too.
Those older projectiles were not designed to expand at low velocities or through heavy clothes. Once ballistic gel testing really got popular that's when we started to see solutions like the polymer ball in the hollow point, ultra lightweight and fast projectiles and alternate compositions like sintered metal. The past is never as good as we'd like to remember it.
Reminds me of how everyone talks up those Black Talons and the 127gr +P+ Winchester ammo, then every single time I've seen either one tested they fail miserably.
Funny. My neighbor loads 45acp and 45GAP for me using Enforcer powder. The GAP loads do 1000fps with a 230 grain load with no pressure signs from a G37. The ACP 230 loads are 1200fps from a 5” XP Tactical. XTP 230 separates and comes apart in 16" of gel
Double Darn!! Once again another good information test on that type of ammo. Pretty pathetic for +P. I can almost tell from the speeds on the ammo on barrel lengths how the projectiles are going to perform. Just learning from you and the great testing you do. Gaining a wealth of knowledge from you. Anyway thanks for sharing and be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸
They were made in Brazil,I have fired the 180 plus p. Your looking at 50 grains lighter still with a good size hollow point. They were hot and loud they are rated at 1250 FPS I did not use a Chrono. But I tested them beside sig v crown 10mm. Both five inch barrel. Used a Kimber for the 45 and a Ruger for the 10mm. They both went through the same amount of 2x6s both had big exit damage and both were loud. I'm not a fan of 230 grains in a 45. Seems to me they used the same quantity of powder in the 230 and the 180. All I can say is the 180 would get the job done. The 10mm v crown has the same weight and FPS listed on box. Unless you can find hot 10mm,I doubt there is much difference. Remember the standard bullet weight on a 10 is 180. My guess is they used the same amount of powder in both 230 and 180 grain due to pressure concerns. They should not have labeled the 230 +p. Hornady makes a 230 plus p I would use that if you want better performance. They have the flex lock in the Hornady so it may not fill up like other hollow points. I noticed in another Hornady with out flex lock the bullet was partially filled with a clear substance as well mid way up.
I agree the 230 grain 45 acp jhp just never seems to work. I sometimes carry a 45 acp shield with a 3.4 inch barrel and I like the Sierra 185s and I have some 165 grain federal hydra shocks that seem like a great choice for a short barreled 45. I had them around 1028 out of my shield and almost 1100fps out of my full sized. I don’t have any gel to test them in but I feel pretty confident in them because they are used in a backup gun and if I’m using it it’s probably a bad situation. Don’t sleep on the lighter much faster jhp’s for the 45! As always an informative and entertaining video!
Trying to push my .45s w/230 grn. reloads beyond 1050fps requires heavier spring in most of my 1911s. I typically stay around the 800 to 850 fps (target) ball rnds.
I've seen this Magtech gold, but never bought any. The Magtech First Defense bonded has shown some good tests in 9mm and 40sw. They even make a 124 +p+.
Hope they’re accurate, otherwise big fail. Big hollow point, hoped they would work. Decent disruption in the jelly for a round the way over penetrated. Thanks for sharing Tools!
If you commenters.want serious consecutive expansion and weight retention, GT bullets 255gr wide,deep lead hollow points in my tests.from 875 to 950 fps in my Taurus pt845 4 1/4 barrel with 7/8 in expansion and retaining weights of 244 -246 gr . I checked g t bullets sight and so far behind there doing April and may orders. but greatly worth the six mounth wait plus not expensive, around 17- 20 dollars a hundred according to calibers and weights . sadly I'm down two about 25 bullets left. papa wishing you well. 😊
okay guys, i'm just gonna come out and say it...... ol' Tools&Targets and Michael Bay should make an action movie together, especially if "Kentucky Ballistics" and "Demolition Ranch" is involved!!!!
Disappointing. The 115 +p 9mm did the same thing in every barrel length I have seen. Even in water jugs it doesn't always expand. If there was any cloth at all it would clog. 230 Gold Dots perform down to 800fps in 3.3" Shield every time in every media with or w/o cloth barrier. I am pretty sure it is the bullet design that fails. Thank you for honest test
Maybe that 1007 fps was the top recorded velocity out of a 6in barrel. Never can tell what they are giving us as the true velocity if it's an average, mean, or highest number.
Well.... They look nice, I reckon. I just landed some Federal 45 LE loads that aren't in production any more. They're actually highly rated by, uh, state medical examiners. In the world of "official" shooting results, they were at the top of the list of 45 ammo that put dicks in the dirt for a while. Stock #LE45T1. I believe they were discontinued in 2015 or so. I bought a raft of em, so I'll test some and then get ahold of you so maybe you can add them to the library.
That's why I sold my 45 there so over rated, not saying that it won't get the job done. But if someone would make those big weight big diameter rounds come in around 1,400 fps plus, I'd probably buy another 45.
Definitely an overrated caliber. Usually a bunch of macho man, Village People type guys that are slaves to the size. They probably also drive Dodge Rams with the 5.7 Hemi and an oil leak worse than the Exxon Valdez. Jokes aside, I don't care what people use, so long as they're proficient when it comes time to boogaloo.
Had to bring wife to WakeForest Baptist hospital as the one back home treated her like she scaming pain meds... it's a sunny 82F here to day , don't like the time change...that's still gonna sting getting hit w/Dat !
Just looked. Magatech has Gaurduan Gold 45 ACP +P 230gn on tbeir website. They are claiming 1150ft/sec from a 5" barrel. Try with a new batch? Redemption attempt video? I have my doubts but would be cool to watch.
Man, I knew it. I shouldn't have bought this ammo. I got one because their website claimed this ammo to be 1150 fps from a 5" barrel. Guess that was a huge fucking lie. I have a 4.25"-inch gun. I was thinking that was enough velocity to compensate for a three quarter-inch loss of barrel.
I’ve been reloading about a year now, regarding 45 acp, would less than 230grain be a better shooting experience in a shorter gun like my Glock 30 SF ? Never used anything other than 230. Thanks for your advice
I carry a SHIELD 45acp loaded with 230gr HST'S in standard pressure and also have them in +P. Are there any better options for self defense ammo for my SHIELD 45acp???
Thanks for the test, Tools. Talk about pathetic and over penetration. Sure hope no one is using this crap for anything but range linking. Have a great TGIF & weekend when they get here. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.
This was back when ammo companies could just say whatever they want. Its people like you that keep them honest these days!
Many companies still fixing their mouth to say whatever they want. Just watch a lot of the testing he does here. And those boxes will lay right there and let them print anything on it they want.
@@TheAxe4Ever I should have said more or less honest. Or more honest then 10 years ago......
Great marketing.😎👊
No such thing as an honest ammunition company
@@MrPlecemanvpd I dunno..Underwood seems to be pretty accurate.
The developer of this round is a legend in his on mind....nothing to see here folks. Thank for the great content,and keeping us informed.
True.😆 Thank you sir.😎👊
As far as .45ACP, anything over 200 grain should be +P. Being a 230, and +P they didn't stand a chance in any of the testing. What ever the projectile is made of, it still should have done something to try and open up. I'm sure glad technology has caught up and given us some good ammo these days. Thanks for another great effort/test Tools!
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As a newcomer to the 1911 .45 ACP platform, I'm still very much in the training wheels phase of things. I do have some 185 grain HP but definitely over-invested in the 230 HP round for my 1911's (three Tisas, two government models and a 4.25 carry model). All my HPs are much newer manufacture, including the most recent which was 500 rounds of Sellier & Bellot 230 grain JHP .45 ACP. But moving forward, I'm definitely going to pick up some 185 grain HPs. Down the road, I intend to replace my Glock 43 with the 4.25 carry model for daily carry, good thing I caught this latest video. Appreciate your diligence and research that you do on behalf of those of us who really need the information. Godspeed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great video! I can see why they may have discontinued this product. I very rarely carry 45ACP. They call it Gold for the color, not the performance. 🤠
Thank you sir. Chrome don't get ya home.😎👊
Love these 45 tests. I carry a 5 inch full size so this is always awesome info for me. Thank you
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"It's (fill in the blank) jelly time"
Has me rolling everytime lol. Great video.
😆 Thank you sir.😎👊
One of the greatest TH-cam bits out there, right up there with DCChannelgun’s “ ammos the new gold, everybodies trying to get it!”
Magtech used to make one called First Defense that was a Solid Copper Hollow Point. They used to be featured in all the Taurus Firearms catalogs back in the late 1990s wnd early 2000s. They had decent performance but nothing like Barnes and some others since then. Magtech also makes a 95 grain soft point 9mm round that does better than you would expect. I shoot magtech target fmj rounds all the time. Their price is good and I have never had an issue.
Interesting. I do have a couple of Magtech rounds in other calibers.
Hey Tools, great test. 45acp is my favorite pistol caliber. Keep up the good work Sir!
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Thank you, my friend.😎👊
Excellent testing as always👍
Thank you sir.😎👊
Looks like the ARMY was doing it right with the 230gr ball ammo. Always loads easy, always an entry and an exit wound.
But you gotta remember to do head-shots on the Zombies.
Would love to see the barrier testing for the 9mm frangible rounds like the liberty overwatch and or civil defense, the air marshall rounds you tested in one of ur previous videos, and the arx interceptor rounds. Maybe set up a sheet of plywood , glass, drywall, etc in front of ur heavy clothing barrier into the gel. I think it would be cool to see what those rounds do and even other rounds in similar situations.
Definitely wanna do that.😎👍
Awesome thanks man . I'll keep watching keep on with the jelly tests your my go to channel when I want / need info on how ammo preforms before I spend $ on it..
Love to be included in the barrier testing 💪
Well that was a bit of embellishment to say the least on the speeds. The penetration would be good for wood’s defense but I’d pass on these. I bet some of the ammo companies shutter when they see their ammo on your channel for testing lol 😆. Good! Keep their feet to the fire. Awesome stuff as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
😂 I do think about that sometimes. Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊
I had a few boxes of these in 32Auto I never had any problems getting them to open up when shooting a phone book since back in 2009 that was what people around my area would call a poor man's gel test lol
I remember phone books thicker than small trees when I was growing up.😆
I used wet phone books back in the 1990's to do ammo tests,I would load up my car at the local recycling site for phone books and end up with a couple hundred of them.I would soak them in the bath tub after cutting the bindings and haul them out in the desert,fun times😎😎😎
I agree with you that 230gr stuff is sketchy(non-performing) in 4" and shorter barrels and is only effective if all you want is penetration. I have 4" on my .45ACP, 185gr for defense, 200gr cast , powdercoated for target. With the load developed for the 200gr, it has nearly the same recoil impulse as the 185gr factory stuff, also same POI at 10yd. I'll save my 230gr stuff for when I run out of everything else.
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Maybe they used a Thompson mg to get those speeds. Either way it was a valid and honest test brother tools.
😆😆😆 I wouldn't be surprised. Thank you sir.😎👊
"CBC was created in Brazil in 1926 and holds the status of Strategic Defense Company, being the primary supplier to the local military and law enforcement sectors. It serves as the headquarters for CBC Global Ammunition, the holding for a group of companies internationally active in the ammunition sector: CBC Brazil, Magtech Ammunition USA, MEN Germany and Sellier & Bellot Czech Republic."
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I tried some of their 357mag loading back in the day, and it was pretty good stuff out of a 6" Ruger Blackhawk. Looks like they've downloaded it quite a bit now.
Hard to get too bad of a round out of a 6" .357 mag.😎👊
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I no longer own that 6" Ruger, I now own a 7" 686 plus...😆
Nice work. I don't even think about buying.45 without checking here first. Thanks. Marketing guys earned a fast buck until you showed up!
Thank you sir.😎👊
I load mine with 230gr. HST's, they open up nicely and don't overpenetrate.
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That's the new and improved towel bullet stop! 😆
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Ever test Winchester 45 flat nose Fmj red box ? Loaded pretty hot for standard pressure and affordable and might by a hard hitting option on the cheap for woods or for more penetration. 230gr .
Not sure about that one. Will have to check my stash.🤔
@@ToolsandTargets might say ready usa on the red box
Back in the day, the 230 gr Federal Hydra-Shok had the best reputation in compiled street stops, BUT "only from 5" barrels." That's what my old agency issued long ago (and I still have several boxes so that's what I carry). Currently, I have a USP and a RIA Commander sized 1911, neither have 5" barrels BUT neither did the SIG P220 I used to carry (and shot until it shot patters rather than groups, LOL). From the 220 it opened up fine (had to take out a feral dog that was biting and chasing kids), so I still carry it. Anyway, I'm being long-winded as usual. Great test and just shows yet again that not every hollow point round can be trusted to expand.
Hydra Shok seems to be one that does what it claimed from the 9mm I've tested. Can't remember if I have any in .45. Thank you sir.😎👊
Another great jelly test Brotha , I always call them great ( because you always put in the time , $ and work to save us all time , money and work ) so thank you for all you do ..
I didn't think that ammo existed anymore.. that's like seeing a Taurus "709 Slim" still being sold...
My 709 slim still looks brand new.😆
I believe some ammo companies scam us by putting standard pressure loads in boxes marked +P just to make more money off of the ammo. It's already well known in the firearm world that factory 10mm loads are pretty weak most of the time. You pay for 10mm and get .40 S&W performance. Yes, there are some good 10mm loads that are loaded to full boogie 10mm specs, but they are even more pricey than the ripoff ammo. if you think about it, one of the only ways to cheat and make extra money selling ammunition is to skimp on the powder charge. When you're loading millions of rounds, even a fraction of a grain less of powder per cartridge adds up to hundreds or even thousands of pounds of powder on an industrial scale depending on what kind of powder they use. If they cheat on 10mm, why wouldn't they cheat with other rounds like the .45 as well?
That’s another good test. Some of this ammunition called self defense just doesn’t perform well at all. Thanks for the video 👍
Thank you sir.😎👊
I bet that expanded when going into bare gel. Adding the fabric layers sure weeds out the pretenders from the contenders!
Probably right.😎👍
Of the Guardian Gold rounds?, the only one I've seen do well in a gel test was the 115gr. 9mm load and I'm pretty sure it was +P.
Just not enough speed another great test 👌 👍 thanks for what you do
It’s not a velocity problem. 230 45 velocity is tough to get to expand, but the right bullet construction will get you great expansion. Look at federals UMC and golden saber. Haven’t seen you so then with cloth, but I’ve seen them on some of that fbi organic gel with cloth and they act just like your test with them without the cloth. IMO they are the perfect balance between expansion and penetration especially the UMC. I’ve seen other rounds do one better, but neither the same. The UMC r cheap for hollow points too.
Remington is UMC (union metallic cartridge) not Federal
For my money the 185 +p from a commander is the sweet spot for personal protection
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Sunny but chilly jelly day
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Those older projectiles were not designed to expand at low velocities or through heavy clothes. Once ballistic gel testing really got popular that's when we started to see solutions like the polymer ball in the hollow point, ultra lightweight and fast projectiles and alternate compositions like sintered metal. The past is never as good as we'd like to remember it.
Amen to that.😎👍
Reminds me of how everyone talks up those Black Talons and the 127gr +P+ Winchester ammo, then every single time I've seen either one tested they fail miserably.
Might expand out of a PDW at 11 inches of barrel. Or maybe a carbine at 16 inches plus. But then again it might just fragspand.
Definitely getting added to the long barrel retest pile.
Funny. My neighbor loads 45acp and 45GAP for me using Enforcer powder.
The GAP loads do 1000fps with a 230 grain load with no pressure signs from a G37.
The ACP 230 loads are 1200fps from a 5” XP Tactical. XTP 230 separates and comes apart in 16" of gel
Love the videos! Is there a video on here that shows how you extract the boolets from the gel? I'm curious how you do that.
Double Darn!! Once again another good information test on that type of ammo. Pretty pathetic for +P. I can almost tell from the speeds on the ammo on barrel lengths how the projectiles are going to perform. Just learning from you and the great testing you do. Gaining a wealth of knowledge from you. Anyway thanks for sharing and be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸
Well I had high hopes for this one due to the larger hollow point cavity. Thanks again T&T ✌️
They were made in Brazil,I have fired the 180 plus p.
Your looking at 50 grains lighter still with a good size hollow point.
They were hot and loud they are rated at 1250 FPS
I did not use a Chrono.
But I tested them beside sig v crown 10mm.
Both five inch barrel.
Used a Kimber for the 45 and a Ruger for the 10mm.
They both went through the same amount of 2x6s both had big exit damage and both were loud.
I'm not a fan of 230 grains in a 45.
Seems to me they used the same quantity of powder in the 230 and the 180.
All I can say is the 180 would get the job done.
The 10mm v crown has the same weight and FPS listed on box.
Unless you can find hot 10mm,I doubt there is much difference.
Remember the standard bullet weight on a 10 is 180.
My guess is they used the same amount of powder in both 230 and 180 grain due to pressure concerns.
They should not have labeled the 230 +p.
Hornady makes a 230 plus p I would use that if you want better performance.
They have the flex lock in the Hornady so it may not fill up like other hollow points.
I noticed in another Hornady with out flex lock the bullet was partially filled with a clear substance as well mid way up.
I agree the 230 grain 45 acp jhp just never seems to work. I sometimes carry a 45 acp shield with a 3.4 inch barrel and I like the Sierra 185s and I have some 165 grain federal hydra shocks that seem like a great choice for a short barreled 45. I had them around 1028 out of my shield and almost 1100fps out of my full sized. I don’t have any gel to test them in but I feel pretty confident in them because they are used in a backup gun and if I’m using it it’s probably a bad situation. Don’t sleep on the lighter much faster jhp’s for the 45! As always an informative and entertaining video!
Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊
Trying to push my .45s w/230 grn. reloads beyond 1050fps requires heavier spring in most of my 1911s. I typically stay around the 800 to 850 fps (target) ball rnds.
I've seen this Magtech gold, but never bought any. The Magtech First Defense bonded has shown some good tests in 9mm and 40sw. They even make a 124 +p+.
Hmmm. Might need to check those out.
That looked very similar if not quite identical to a semi-wadcutter wound channel
Would make a good leather punch.😆
“It’s Jelly-time, Y’all!” belongs on a t-shirt or hat next to the Tools and Targets logo! $$$
Excellent test video and I have had 2 boxes of those for yrs and now I know to just use them on targets, very disappointing performance
Thank you sir. They'll do if you need em.😎👍
Good test, performance of a ball round....
I think I have some of this in 185gr +p
Hope they’re accurate, otherwise big fail. Big hollow point, hoped they would work. Decent disruption in the jelly for a round the way over penetrated. Thanks for sharing Tools!
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FMJ rounds LOL, thanks for a good review
Good presentation of bad information. Best pistol shooter of all my TH-cam shooters.
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
That is Brazilian technology my friend. Amazing in The box and
Sheet in real life.
🇦🇺😎👍G’day , happy Friday…. Is a 6” 1911 a dirty word ? ?……lol it’s a bone clogger🤣…great honest science.
Stars and stripes grip s nice. Got the same on my taurud.no bull😊
Just because a bullet looks like it will do good doesn't mean it will thanks for the video as always enjoyed the Information
Thank you sir.😎👊
Another good ammo test to bad they didn't expand
Cool test Tools good video.
Thank you sir.😎👊
If you commenters.want serious consecutive expansion and weight retention, GT bullets 255gr wide,deep lead hollow points in my tests.from 875 to 950 fps in my Taurus pt845 4 1/4 barrel with 7/8 in expansion and retaining weights of 244 -246 gr . I checked g t bullets sight and so far behind there doing April and may orders. but greatly worth the six mounth wait plus not expensive, around 17- 20 dollars a hundred according to calibers and weights . sadly I'm down two about 25 bullets left. papa wishing you well. 😊
Good to know.😎👍
230 ball round doing 900 plus.that put you in the dirt. I carry full size 9 loaded 135 grain critical duty though.😊😊😊
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A 230 grain ball round doing 700fps will put you in the dirt!
okay guys, i'm just gonna come out and say it......
ol' Tools&Targets and Michael Bay should make an action movie together, especially if "Kentucky Ballistics" and "Demolition Ranch" is involved!!!!
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Sounds good to me. 👊
Apparently, Santa is a Federal judge! It’s been Christmas today!
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Good ammo test Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
Magtech guardian gold and PMC starfire among a few others were just razzle dazzle advertised junk.
Great video, sir. I love when you upload. That sounded questionable....😬🤣
😂 Appreciate that!😎👊
It seems like most .45 are a lot like .380, the hollow points struggle. I know some do a great job, but this one was pitiful.
Agreed. It's tricky with these chunky ones.😆
Had a box of this in .357,gave to a buddy if he watches this we probably won’t be buddies anymore. Lol
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Well.... at least it didn't get smaller 😊
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Disappointing. The 115 +p 9mm did the same thing in every barrel length I have seen. Even in water jugs it doesn't always expand. If there was any cloth at all it would clog. 230 Gold Dots perform down to 800fps in 3.3" Shield every time in every media with or w/o cloth barrier. I am pretty sure it is the bullet design that fails. Thank you for honest test
Might be a super hard lead compound.
Maybe from a Thompson or Kriss Vector, that could be why they don't make them anymore, Thanks Brian. still enjoyed It.👍🇺🇸
Definitely more additions to the long barrel pile. Thank you sir.😎👊
Maybe that 1007 fps was the top recorded velocity out of a 6in barrel. Never can tell what they are giving us as the true velocity if it's an average, mean, or highest number.
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6:28 high tech cool shout out
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I really enjoy your videos Thank You!
Appreciate that. 😎👊
Wow! Great test🙏🏿🇺🇸
Appreciate that.😎👊
You might want to shoot some of those .45acp rounds out of your HiPoint .45acp carbine.
TT doesn't like the cold anymore he's storing up his jelly tests like a chubby squirrel 🤣😂🤣
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45 is one of my favorites but those were a horrific disappointment
They really were.
@@ToolsandTargets I looked them up. They still make them. I'm wondering if they've improved any
You can still find those rounds but they were always a non-performer...yeah, 230g ball is/was cheaper and pretty much the same ballistics..
Well....
They look nice, I reckon.
I just landed some Federal 45 LE loads that aren't in production any more. They're actually highly rated by, uh, state medical examiners.
In the world of "official" shooting results, they were at the top of the list of 45 ammo that put dicks in the dirt for a while. Stock #LE45T1. I believe they were discontinued in 2015 or so. I bought a raft of em, so I'll test some and then get ahold of you so maybe you can add them to the library.
Interesting 🤔
That's why I sold my 45 there so over rated, not saying that it won't get the job done. But if someone would make those big weight big diameter rounds come in around 1,400 fps plus, I'd probably buy another 45.
Definitely an overrated caliber. Usually a bunch of macho man, Village People type guys that are slaves to the size. They probably also drive Dodge Rams with the 5.7 Hemi and an oil leak worse than the Exxon Valdez.
Jokes aside, I don't care what people use, so long as they're proficient when it comes time to boogaloo.
It definitely needs the right ammo if you wanna run anything other than fmj.😎👍
Had to bring wife to WakeForest Baptist hospital as the one back home treated her like she scaming pain meds... it's a sunny 82F here to day , don't like the time change...that's still gonna sting getting hit w/Dat !
Healthcare is just one more terrible thing these days.
@@ToolsandTargetsthis place us huge & busy ! Finally came to a good place ! Diagnosed RCVS.
Looks like they clogged up again FMJ’s just as good and a lot cheaper I’m sure
Yep
Great test tools
Thank you sir.😎👊
No problem buddy
Pitifully slow! I’m not a big 45 fan.Love all the test you’ve been producing!👍🏻
Appreciate that, brother!😎👊
I love your machinery
Appreciate that. Adds a little extra info.😎👍
I guess out of longer barrels it's a decent backcountry round?
It'll poke some holes.😎👍
Just looked. Magatech has Gaurduan Gold 45 ACP +P 230gn on tbeir website. They are claiming 1150ft/sec from a 5" barrel.
Try with a new batch? Redemption attempt video?
I have my doubts but would be cool to watch.
Interesting. I just assumed they weren't made anymore.🤔
Man, I knew it. I shouldn't have bought this ammo. I got one because their website claimed this ammo to be 1150 fps from a 5" barrel. Guess that was a huge fucking lie. I have a 4.25"-inch gun. I was thinking that was enough velocity to compensate for a three quarter-inch loss of barrel.
I love 45 but damn this ammo very disappointing.
Thanks for the test tools.👍🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Turrible!
Another great Ammo test Tools even though that ammo sucks.👊🇺🇸 I do have a question for you do you have anything chambered in 350 legend?
Thank you sir. I have the Franchi Momentum in .350 Legend. That's actually at the top of the list for my next rifle testing day.
Awesome 👍 I myself just got a Mossberg Patriot in 350 legend, looking forward to your videos on the 350 legend. I put a 3 -9 x40 Bushnell trophy XLT
Nice. I have a pretty big variety of rounds so should be some good stuff.😎👊@@jeffreybean5363
Tools keeping it honest. More Hype than hollowpoint.
Yes indeed.😎👊
Parabéns pelos seus testes , seus vídeos ajudam muito na escolha da munições certo, muito obrigado por compartilhar 👉
I’ve been reloading about a year now, regarding 45 acp, would less than 230grain be a better shooting experience in a shorter gun like my Glock 30 SF ? Never used anything other than 230.
Thanks for your advice
Guess that would depend on how hot you load it. Probably be easier to load it not as hot as a 230 and still get good performance from a 185.
@@ToolsandTargets thanks brother
Magtech ammo is over price. 50rd for $35.
Would be a good price if it was good defensive ammo.
I carry a SHIELD 45acp loaded with 230gr HST'S in standard pressure and also have them in +P. Are there any better options for self defense ammo for my SHIELD 45acp???
Save the rest for putting vent holes in your burn barrel! 😂🤷🏼♂️👊
It wasn't these of course, but that's exactly how I put holes in it.🤣
👍👍Thanks Tools
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It was also 180 grain at 1250 fps
WWB standard pressure 230gr look like HST next to these.
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No no, I bet you if you shoot that into a bare block it's going to perform LOL just like the Winchester Ranger T-Series
Naked bad guy ammo
Thanks for the test, Tools. Talk about pathetic and over penetration. Sure hope no one is using this crap for anything but range linking. Have a great TGIF & weekend when they get here.
Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.
You know this was a major bragging round in the gun shops back in the day!😂 Thank you sir.😎👊
I am pretty sure these failures would still KILL
Mhmm