Undercover Grandmaster vs Turkish street player (Analyzed)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มี.ค. 2020
- Grandmaster Marc B. Olsen, of BackgammonGalaxy.com, is analyzing his recent match, he played in the street in Istanbul Grand Bazaar, against a local street player.
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thanks for sharing Marc. Your opponent plays so fast, he even start rolling and moving when you haven't completed your move! lol
Thats the way we play 🙂
Would love to see a photo of the BG board you selected after your victory! This was really fun to watch... thanks for sharing!
In Eastern Europe we do not play with a cube because in Backgammon the game can very quickly & at last moment turn around by just a couple of good rolls..
so basically being forced to give up a game just because the opponent thinks at that moment is in the lead doesn't really make any sense, the game isn't over until it's over
you know, if he knew who you were, then that's not really undercover.
Great video my dude. Would def come by to see you guys play next time 😁
Please do :-D
I played a game like this in a bazaar in Egypt. I wasn't quite ready for street style playing but looking forward to the next time. lol
What a great story -thanks, Marc
My proper XG cubeless analysis results (all moves analyzed in XGR++ setting):
PRs 3,21 vs 9,87
Errors 10 vs 22
Blunders 3 vs 12
Jokers 12 vs 15.
GM Marc's stats after a detailed (with rollouts) GnuBG analysis are:
PR= Error total mEMG(MWC)/2= 6,4/2= 3,20.
Snowie Error rate= 2,7
Error based abs.FIBS rating= 1961,4.
Errors= 11
Blunders= 3
Lucky and very lucky moves= 8
Unlucky and very unlucky moves= 10.
The way to analyze such cubeless matches is to play the match in cubeless settings in GnuBG, then save the match in Jellyfish Match (*mat) format. Finally, import this *mat file to XG2 and switch to Cubeless when asked about the Cube Limit.
Wow. This was great to watch.
@Marc Olsen Hello! You can't analyze a Tavla match with the XG match equity table. The reason is simple. For example, at the score 2-4 (1 away - 3 away Crawford) your opponent was gammon go. In backgammon, at this score, the gammon has no value. In that game, he had many situation to force a gammon, like the blunder (-0,109) 3/2 when he moved 16/11 and the best was 16/14 6/3*. In Tavla match, his move pays a lot more equity, because he really want a gammon.
What you say is right, but XG is also able to analyze cubeless matches. When asked about the cube limit, you choose "Cubeless".
You can ask for a "fincan" (a coffee cup) as a box if you ever find yourself in another street match in Turkey, both videos were lovely to watch
Greetings from Turkey :) Usually Turkish players plays like this man :)) except for people who not interested in professional backgammon.Actually İts pretty strange :))
You can set xg for cubeless so that the pr is more accurate and the checker play analysis is correct because sometimes the best cubeful checker play is different than the best cubeless checker play. One question. How did you record the game and did you then transcribe it into xg?
you can transcribe any game manually using XG after the fact. He had to watch the video and keep pausing and entering the dice rolls and moves when he got back to his apartment/home. VERY tedious to do.
@@sjsphotog that's a bit of work there but one also needs to put the phone somewhere where it can see the whole board and the dice...
XG is one of the worst apps I've ever come across. Terrible
That's too fast also... I hope it will be slower in potential future video. xg needs to have setting for no backgammon and allow doubles(66,55 etc) on first roll
hilarious. loved it.
Beginner player here. How come they keep transferring checkers from one side to of the board to the other (e.g. at 4:26)?
good game👍
Tavla in Turkey playing like this. Super fast.
I did not find it in XG but in GNU you could analyze without cube
It's in xg as well. It goes from cubeless to 1024 iirc. But maybe it doesn't work when transcribing?
at 4:00 you say that he rolls a double 2. but he only plays a 6 (3x2) !? could you explain?
It was actually 42. You can see the analysis of the move at 4:31 (if you pause the video)
Opponent name "turkish bazaar". Love that 😂
yea, turkish tavla doesnt have a triple stake backgammon rule.
Anyone know the size of those dice?
10 mm is standart. BONE Dice.
to me it seems the turkish guy is try to control the dice, they are almost nerver rolling but spinning and also when hi take the dice few times reposition the dice in his hand before the trow!thats why always use a cup!
in other words, sounds like his a good cheater
never ever play along with someone else his game .. always play your own game ! played many turkish ....
What am I doing?
You are watching a grandmaster analyze a game of backgammon against a local turkish champion of the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul :D
No PR?
Oliver Rietz i calculate the PR at the end, since the Analysis was done by cubeful XG, so the PR’s shown are completely useless. PR’s calculated on the basis of XG checkerplay analysis (cubeful) was 3.2 for me and 9.5-10 for my opponent.
Makes Sense.
@@Marcolino10DK wow man 3.2 at that speed? Teach meeeeee
3,21 vs 9,87.
All moves analyzed in ++ cubeless settings.
Thats crazy Marc. So glad here in the US we have rules and manners. That speed play and picking up your dice before you can even see it woud be considered RUDE. You really have to be on your game as I can see how easy it is to get scammed/cheated by them making illegal plays or have their friends try to convince you something is amiss. Congrats.
He's not really trying to trick him or anything. Tavla is usually played for fun in spare time, so people play it very fast, to save time. They're used to it.
These are called cultural differences, things considered rude in one country are totally normal in another.
@@nullVoidification Exactly. No need to roast the guy. In Turkey they all play this way, to squeeze more games to their short spare time.
@@ahmetgrcn2663 Exactly, there is a difference in expected behavior when You play to socialize/have fun. Playing "turkish" style seems to bring more life into play. Best regards from Poland!
@@nullVoidification Greetings from Turkey!