Kenshar1984 I would be curious to see how the federation may adapt their tactics to aliens, also I wonder how they would try to use the psychics against the aliens. But like Ace said "shoot a nuke down a bug hole, you got a lot of dead bugs"
then i say include the different aliens from the movies/comics, like the t-rex Xeno and others^^ 20ft alien and more of the kind, 30ft long snake aliens, tank aliens with armor plated skin etc etc list goes on. Alien universe is bigger in comp. 2 the Starship Trooper universe.
deeman010gdj that is why the bugs had to live deep underground and outnumber humanity a billion to one, it's explicitly stated that even if they glass the surface of a planet they might not get them all as well as destroying any utility for the planet
The aliens can evolve to deal with them, and or manipulate the people in the ships to do there work for them, look for the Xenomorph vs Wahammer Space Marines comment in this videos comment section to see my references. Also aliens have survived 100 megaton fission bombs, 40 megaton fusion explosions, various lower yield explosions, and more importanlty of all, in Aliens Omnibus novel 1, a earth sized planet with the aliens were hit with so many nuclear weapons that every body of water was vaporized, and they still survived.
The only reason the colonial marines faired poorly in the movie "Aliens" was because in the very beginning, they were prevented from firing their weapons due to risk of nuclear explosion, thus resulting in the loss of many of the marines. Their ammo was also taken by the CO, so during the fight inside the facility their smartguns, sentries, and rifles WOULD HAVE allowed them to hold out longer had most of their ammo NOT been taken prior
kaibyl1 the starship troopers face a very different enemy arachnids swarm in numbers head on(most common form warrior arachnid). xenomorphs on the other hand are generally more stealthy.
John Alvarez Also take into consideration that all the arachnids lack the xenomorphs intellect. They just follow the brainbug's orders. While the xenomorphs are able to analyze their prey and bide their time before attacking.
On the other hand, Xenomorpha are more stealthy because there are not several billion of them with many 'tank' bugs(About a queen equivalent but there is only one queen), flying blade bugs, and ofcourse artillery/anti space ship bugs.
kaibyl The Starships troopers are basically just the alien colonial marines against the xenomorphs. And we all know how that turned out. We also know how it began... With almost all of the marines being ordered to give up all their ammo and grenades because plot armor. :)
Madison Atteberry Exactly if you watched the first movie even badasses like Rico have a tendency even need to get the blood of whatever fighting all over them. They would probably learn quickly that would be bad as far as xenomorphs go, but it would at least cost them 2 or 3 soldiers. And if they do use weapons like the shotgun Rico used in the first assault blood splatter would be hard to avoid in large excursions.
I think this scenario gave the xenomorphs had too much of an advantage, seeing that the Xenos are in their most preferred environment while the starship troopers were not.
Drokla 47 Yea I agree, Xenos have everything they need by the scenario while the infantry are basically walking into this blind. If this was done with the infantry having prior info into the Xenos im sure theyd change their tactics
To be fair in pretty much every movie the Xenos are in their preferred environment since they are hunters that use ambush tactics. If it gets to the point where you have Xeno attacking the troopers out in the open you know they already won since they have the numbers to do so; again that would mean it would be their environment.
its like the spartan versus the ninja, in realistic terms, the stealth based enemy will disengage and strike when the terms are more favorable for them. They won't fight the battle where their adversary has any advantage. "Fair fights are for suckers".
The Mobile Infantry do have terrible tactics but they rarely ever actually attack hives head-on, they land nearby and nuke them from a distance, that being said, the Arachnids may be smarter then Xenomorphs for leaving their hives to attack their enemies before they reach it.
Michael Y you so far off lmao the xenos themselves are far smarter then the arachnids Bc the arachnids took orders from one brain bug the xenomorphs themselves can think and plan how and when to attack arachnids are simple brainless soldiers without any self thinking xenomorphs are the complete opposite
Being stalking predators is not the same as being intelligent. Cats, spiders, snakes, on and on plan attacks, setting up ambushes. Its a cool instinct but not intelligence. And WAY less than a brain bug being able to slurp an officer's brain, then understand their tactics and technology. No the average xeno shows little intelligence, the best was gutting one of their own to acid the floor(Note that they had a queen in the area). The queen being in the area is important because it's very likely she directly controls/orders them and they thus act with her intelligence rather than their own.
Don Hauptmann They do however occasionally do things which may indicate abstract reasoning and some base understanding of technology. Cutting the lights in ops before the assault in aliens might have been an accident, might not. Pressing the punishment button to kill someone in a:R, as well as the fact the xenomorph in the first film appears confident in the use of doors (something shown frequently again in A:Isolation which was deemed cannon at release but fox has backed out of such declarations before).
@@jhauptmann9850 Yeah they are about as smart as crows, having problem solving skills and can work doors and given enough cause and effect can figure out what pushing a button does. The arachnids on the other hand have actual war strategies and a hive mind smarter then a human genius. The xenomorphs wouldn't understand to flee the nest after driving away a probing team and would get nuked.
bruh this isnt even fair...the aliens cant even scratch the marine let alone kill one.... a more fair match is a platoon of imperial guardsmen, save the space marine for a 1v1 with the queen
Brent Jockers this 1000xs over, the movie drop troopers don't do justice to them. One drop troopers in the book was describe as having more firepower than and old world tank battalion basically they were Halo master Chiefs. Also on the book a trooper squad was 10 and they nuked half a planet cause the skinnies sided with the bugs. Book troopers would see the Xeno threat and simply nuke it. Or pull back to space and destroy the whole planet giving no f***s
why do we have to use the light infantry version I think if we were going with the ones from Invasion or traitor of Mars I think I would be a completely different outcome.
Ok so here is where this is wrong. The standard issue Morita comes with a shotgun attachment. While it might not pack the punch of a "pulse " rifle It is a great advantage in the confined spaces of a hive. Also if they are going to go into a hive, at such close quarters, why even bring the marksmen ? Lets not forget their grenades as well ( took out a tank bug ). And the shorter carbine Morita also good for close quarters.
"I have to give the edge to the xenomorpha just because they have so much of an upperhand" in the scenario where you specifically gave them.. So much of an upper hand... Hmm let's put 20 desert fighters vs 20 jungle fighters.. Fighting in the jungle.. Oh and the jungle fighters have a tank... And satellite thermal surveillance. A fair scenario but I think the jungle fighters come out on top.. Derp! ;P
Assuming that the Feds know that Xenomorphs control the area, I assume that they'd use the same tactics as they did on Tango: "Fleet Glasses the Planet & MI Mops Up!"
Arachnids in a all out assault, Xeno's in a more one on one fight... The acid blood makes it hard for bugs to actualy win a fight, only cause a stalemate, and the facehuggers would creat bug-xenos that would proceed to tear the bugs appart as is xeno tradition
remember Arachnids aren't dumb and comunicate with each other more than u think i think if it came down to it they prob would both die with the arachnid ripping apart a xeno but also dying from its acid blood
I honestly find arachnids more Ferocious than xenos in general and if they manage to get the xenos close enough its a wrap there mouths would tear through xenos but like i said the acid would also do damage
Thats what I meant by the stalemate, the blood would kill the bug while it tears appart the xeno. I also dont doubt that the bugs would start smartly analizing the xenomorphs, but the xenomorphs are also going to analize the bugs, they are smart enough to do so. Since Xenomorphs are expert ambush predators, they wouldnt attack the bugs head on, so if say 30 bugs fought 30 xenos, the bugs would in an open assault tear the xenos appart while suffering great losses themselves, but in an enclosed area? They'd lose individuals to ambush attacks, making it a bit closer. Also, at least warrior bugs have mouthes, so there is a facehugger problem (unlike, say, Xenomorphs vs Starcraft's Protoss race), and even if the mouth isnt accesable, drones could use the headbite technique to open up a hole in the chasis of a captured warrior bug for the facehugger to use and/or the facehugger would use its acid blood to open up a hole itself, like it does for the helmets of humans in the movies. Once an infestation happens, things would reverse... Xenomorph versions of a species are always addapted to hunt the parent species and use them to spread their own genes. A single Xeno-Warrior Bug would, as long as it doesnt attack a group head on (which Xenos only do when they can swarm), then we could see a Xeno win in the long run as the species is asimilated by the Xenos... which is why we need the context
I think the TRAINED trooper with or without his armour would overmatch the xenomorophs.... Oh wait what branch of SF was riply oh right civilian pilot. The marines had no idea they were in a fight until it was to late. The whole purpose of MI hunt bugs kill bugs, Xenomorph looks enough like a bug acts like a bug and with proper bullet placement dies like one.
How would you rate the Mobile Infantry as they are in the original book, against the xenomorph? Would their mobile armor be a help or a hinderance? And they way they are organized in there?
With the troopers I think they would see the hive and nuke it from the start. Unless the mission was to take something from inside in that case it would be like the tunnels from the bugs. And not give the xenos a chance to get behind them u till they get in a more open spot.
I have a question, you said the Marida was less powerful than the M41A right? On what basis do you make that statment? To my knowledge, I thought the M41A was suposed to be like a caseless projectile SMG while the Marida was a standard rifle that fired full power rifle cartridges. Are you compairing the underbarrel attachments aswell?
He is underplaying the marida rifle because he is one of those who simp for the book version wrote by an old fart moron who though that the best thing that could happen to the usa was going into a full nuclear armagedon.
I think it was made canon that there was a marauder program (the 2005 fps game) that had extra special troopers who would get in shielded suits of armor and lead troopers to victory. The program was shut down later in favor of a mech suit.
I would give the edge to the xenomorphs as well.How about a team battle?Mobile infantry and colonial marines vs xenomorphs and bugs? (Or just hybrids.)
First, the Queen wouldn't engage in battle because she'd be completely immobile unless her egg sack was destroyed. Secondly, the Aliens prefer to attack in the dark.
Easily the starship troopers. The troopers are treated like a meathead 😁 so MI would definitely win due to its advanced weaponry and lack of self preservation
The MI are a good force but the problem is, they panic and break ranks as we've seen in the Klendathu Drop, so you put a platoon of MI troopers in a Xeno Hive, automatic game over, no one survives, one big factor is that the MI is used to Arachnids charging right at them, while the Xenomorphs however do not.
Ever thought bout making a video with both the mobile infantry and the arachnids from starship troopers, having a face off with the terrain, the protoss and the zerg from starcraft. How do this battle will go?
the only reason the folks in Aliens had issue was that they collected clips early on and had no ammo. If they didn't do that they would have wiped the X out without issue
To all the comments stating, "Oh well they would just nuke the nest before the MI would even enter the hive," how would they know they are entering a hive? If you look at most of the movies with the xenomorphs in them, they built their hives inside buildings, deep underground, or in other confined areas. Look at the Colonial Marines in the second Aliens movie. They didn't know they were going into a hive until they were already in it. So in that scenario, no dumb MI officer would order a nuke in such a confined area. Also, you would have to put into account what the MI's mission objectives were to start with. If they were ordered to clear out a building so they can use it later, they probably would not detonate a nuke or the building with go up with it. It's only in the darkhorse comics (I highly suggest looking up Alien: Nightmare Asylum. It's one of the best and most beautiful of the Alien comics) where you see the xenos creating a "dome" like hive and in that instant than yes, MI would just nuke it.
I believe it would be a pretty even fight if you have a platoon versus Platoon but let's face it if there is a planet that is having an issue the mobile industry doesn't fuck around they'll send an entire fleet to that planet where the colonial Marines will send a ship or so
And I don't think the Xenos would attack an open terrain fortress unless they had massive numbers. I think more likely they would repeat the tactics from Aliens and send a diversion wave in as a sacrifice then send a "stealth" unit to find an alternative route. Or have a group suicide themselves on a part of the forts walls allowing for subterfuge.
I think you are wrong about it, I think the starship trooper would have the advantage here considering that they have nuclear missiles they used to nuke the bugs hives from outside, making the tactics of the xenomorph of waiting for the troopers to get inside the cave to ambush them useless. I´m making my opinion based that in the starship trooper movie, when the troopers are attacking the bugs at the light of the day and shot one of those missile toward the entrance of a bug hole, you can see the missile taking a turn inside the cave before it goes out of the camera view sugesting that these missile where designed to navigate deep through the tunnels of the bug hive. And at the end of the movie we can see that these bombs work with a time fuse, also suggesting that these missile would travel as deep inside the hive until the timer runs out. How I see it would go is that the starship troopers will first carpet bomb all the xenomorph on the surface of the planet (just like they did in the movie with the bugs) and then deploy their troops armed with nukes to search for the entrance of the hive and nuke them from the surface, the xenomorph may have the advantage inside their hive but outisde of their hives it would be the turf of the trooper who would be waiting for any survivor xenomorph to strumble their way out of the hive and shoot them in squad formation just like they did with the bugs in the movie.
It's funny, I found this because I was looking up the new starship troopers trailer reactions. I would say it'll be pretty even but edging on the xeno's side. I say even because the troopers battle bugs pretty often on open ground. But IF you take anything from the animated TV show and common sense they would have been trained in cave/close quarters combat (CQC). I think the real issue would be any face huggers since there would be a queen. The trooper's rifles are too large compared to the pulse rifle so 2 man teams would have to plug up the hole which they are going into, possibly a 4 man firing line. Given the fact that the xeno like to camo themselves in the wall as troopers walk by them is their biggest advantage since the troopers wouldn't be properly trained in xeno ambush tactics. What I can say for the troopers compared to the colonial marines is that the troopers are better disciplined for combat. You see in the movies a more spray and pray method, you see the same with the troopers but that's only when they face great numbers and most of the time they are shooting off limbs or hitting the nerve center, so their accuracy is better. Since in the Starship Troopers universe you see the units dying so often other soldiers wouldn't be too affected moral wise unlike the colonial marines which tend to panic a tad bit easier, probably due to their fewer numbers. Conclusion Humans More bodies, better accuracy, better military discipline, hardened moral, and last resort is a suicide bomb with the mini nuke. Xeno Camo, ambush tactics, (possibly facehuggers against bulky weapons), speed, bullet resistant queen (possibly the same strength or better compared to the tanker bug shell, maybe royal bug class)
There is a diference between xenomorphs and arachnids, the first ones are more like a spider they hide and attack by surprise, the arachnids they are more like ants they trust in they numbers and brute force is more about the situation, if the starship troopers found some eggs and bring them to their ship without any previous knowledge, is only matter of time for something go wrong but if they allready know about the xenomorph life cicle and inteligence the troopers will be fine.
I feel the troopers from the books might stand a far better chance because their power suits are primarily meant for quick open warfare and firing massive amounts of ammunition in bursts. The xenomorphs would not stand a chance in open combat with suits that can send the user far out of reach with a single jump. Yet in a sneak attack it would be far more devastating, but the suits auto doc would reduce the casualties.
Here's another thing that's not fair that we don't know remember when the colonial Marines were on Aliens too they had all their rounds taken away from them this is why I wrote my own little aliens story about a platoon of Special Forces colonial Marines along with Delta Force and other operators that go to a similar planet where they're allowed to have their full fire power and not worry about shooting into a nuclear reactor to blow up the whole planet and of course I have casualties in the story but this would be a kick-ass for the humans in a complete Wipeout of the xenos even with hybrid zenos I also believe that the Starship Troopers fire a big around in a 308 I remember reading this in 2007 I believe their tactics would be very similar even though it shows a little chaotic at first but if the colonial Marines were facing shuts numbers I believe it would look similar to Starship Troopers and I think they do have a motion tractor on the second or third movie it showed that they had trackers what kind of a cheap cheesy movie but they did have them
One thing major you forgot to talk about is the hard exoskeleton the bugs have compared to the xenomorphs. Given the evolutional development of the bug species, they are able to have harder exoskeletons than the xenomorphs. THE STARSHIP TROOPERS MOBILE INFANTRY WOULD BE FIRING AT SMALL TANKS. Mobile Infantry would be using High-explosive squash head rounds and armor-piercing ammunition. Armour-piercing capped (APC), Armour-piercing ballistic capped (APBC), Armour Piercing Capped Ballistic Capped 201403 ,Armour-piercing capped ballistic capped (APCBC)Armour-piercing composite rigid (APCR)High velocity armour piercing (HVAP) or even Armour-piercing high explosive (APHE) Semi-armor-piercing high explosive (SAPHE)....Moble infantry rifles would be packing allot.
Xenomorphs are like ninja. If there's one then it can wipe out dozens of people without even working up a drool. But the more of them there are, the more they just turn into bullet sponges.
The Troopers would be screwed. Although, it'd be interesting if Jenkins were to establish a dialogue with the Queen. Rico, Dizzy, and Jenkins would probably be the only ones to survive.
Honestly I think the analysis of their tactics is perhaps a bit unfair, after all, door to door infantry tactics are only so useful against an enemy that uses swarm tactics. So assuming the Mobile Infantry can only fight in line formations themselves is perhaps dumbing down the situation a bit too much. In that regard Starship Troopers Roughnecks probably gives a better scope of the Mobile Infantry's tactics, even if you remove the marauder suits from the equation. Especially when we see them fighting against ranged enemies.
If the Space Marines from Warhammer 40K Dropped from Orbit in the mist of the battle,none would survive. The Queen would die by the Heavy Bolters and Flamethrowers.
reading through the comments, I was intrigued. Zergs vs Xenos Both can evolve and adapt to their environment and enemies but who would be the better species? Queen Keerigan vs Queen Xeno
How about Colonial Marines vs Xenomorphs, in the same scenario. No reactor cooling system forcing them to hold fire and disarm*, no deliberately assigning a incompetent commanding officer so that a greedy corporate yuppie can smuggle Xenomorphs out for $$ (In the book I remember that Burke made sure they had a brand new commander so he could manipulate him, just didn't realise how it could backfire). They go in fully loaded, ammo and nades, trackers, set up sentry guns to cover flanks. APC support (who needs nukes when you have particle cannons ?) and every gadget that Hudson went on about in the deleted scenes about state of the badass arts. And a regular experienced colonel. *seriously just inform the troops about the reactor situation so they don't disobey and blow away the pipes anyway, and allow them to keep their ammo in case they fall back to a non cooling position. And at first sign of contact retreat to said kill em all position. Still every Alien movie needs at least one idiot to screw it up for everyone.
I loved starship Troopers, but I do agree that the Xenomorphs would either win or everyone would die especially the way the rough necks dealt with heavily injured troops
Actually there's a detail you left out, or don't understand. The Pulse rifle fires a high Explosive 10mm Round, that's if your looking at weapon calibres it's a .40 calibre pistol the Morita fires a 7.62x45 Round , that's a .308 Rifle calibre round, it's a Massive round and has much greater range and penetration. its' a FAR more powerful round than the Colonial Marine's 10mm round. Now without a doubt in a confined environment the MI would take heavy casualties, but they aren't idiots either, as we see in Starship troopers 3 , the Colonel turns a rifle squad into a very deadly grenadier rifle mix up within a confined environment , I would allow the MI to adapt, being able to afford casualties a strategic withdrawal or even just turning themselves into a cocoon of 7.62 fire would royally hurt the Xenomorphs if not push or force them back. I do believe however that the only way to truly destroy them for the MI would be a surge of a company strength if not larger troopers into a hive or tactical nukes.
I doubt pulse rifles are more powerful than moritas. Also dont forget that mobile infantry are nuts. If you tell them to do something, they fight until their last breath. And dont get me started on the book cap troopers, sending 2 of those into a bug hole would probably be overkill.
Against the Xenos, the Colonial Marines were fucked by bad leadership. The Mobile Infantry... they're just fucked. The Xenos strike me as the ultimate guerilla warriors. They'd hide underground, strike by night, pick the MI off one by one... and every casualty means a new Xeno warrior. I'm sure the Federation would have specialized Commando units with advanced weaponry and tactics they'd deploy against Xenos, but the MI regulars would be in WAY over their heads.
IIRC, the Avatar SecOps used in the movie were NOT from an official branch of the US military (I think), but were instead a bunch of highly trained and dangerous mercenaries and hired guns; most likely with many of them coming from special forces backgrounds or something similarly competent. Colonial Marines are tough, but that's just their culture. SecOps were literally one of the best paid PMCs one could afford to hire in the Avatar universe. It'd be like pitting a group of Marines against a group of still-active ex Special Forces-- because that's practically what it is. I love the CM to bits, but the SecOps take the cake in this one.
Paul Lee I'd love to see an in-depth discussion of the RDA's weapons and vehicles though... Thinking of which the Smartguns and use of Armour might buy a fighting chance for the CMs. Don't know if an APC would do well against one of those bigger rocket choppers, but I doubt if the Samson (the standard one they use for troop deployment) could touch it.
Smartgun would definitely play a HUGE role in fighting the SecOps, as I understand it, there are a total of TWO smartgun operators for every squad of TEN marines, which is an incredible force multiplier that the SecOps forces simply do not have. USCM also deploy mortars, flamethrowers, and motion sensors into their squads. SecOps armor and CM armor is very similar, with very comparable performance, though the M41A pulse rifle is specifically designed for armor wearing units; however, the SecOps CARB is no pushover-- fully modular, powerful, high rate of fire, as well as excellent ammo capacity-- moreover, the SecOps operators will be individually more skilled riflemen than the Colonial Marines, so the issue of force-on-force is debatable, but I'd say the edge goes to the SecOps for their superior training and their ability to conduct guerilla warfare, which, as we've seen in the movies, is a bit of a weakness for the Colonial Marines. The USCM have armed and armored APCs at the ready, as well as their own version of a Main Battle Tank, artillery vehicles, and howitzers. On Pandora, we saw that the SecOps have a highly mobile, miniature vehicle that can launch a large number or small rockets very quickly and with great accuracy. They also have offensive and defensive drones, Avatar bodies (which can, theoretically, be repurposed for war), large construction vehicles, and mobile suits, which are armed with large caliber machine guns. Unlike in the UNSC versus Colonial Marines fight, the SecOps do NOT suffer from lack of resources, funds, or manpower. The RDA, who the SecOps forces are contracted with, are extremely rich, extremely expansive, and extremely ambitious. However, the issue of interstellar security is a big flaw for the RDA, as they have no known battleship-type cruisers or attack vessels of any sort in space, the only one we see being the ISV transport ship. In regards to air-to-air combat, the UD4L dropship's competitor would have to be the SecOps Dragon Airship (or "Assault" ship). It is said that the SecOps Dragon Airship is capable of leveling a city block with solely the on board weapons found on the ship, which may be hyperbole, but we DO see it taking down a 100 meter thick tree with just a few Scorpion gunships at its side, which is something I do not believe the UD4L dropship could do, even if there were 5 of them. The USCM have dedicated air-to-air superiority fighters, which we do not see with the RDA, but we do see the scorpion gunships, which have incredible firepower at the ready, are very nimble, and very reliable. Plus, we must take into account that even the pilots that the SecOps hire are top-of-the-line flightmen, probably picked from a list of some of the best pilots that can come from both domestic and foreign militaries. If the battle was simply a squad of Colonial Marines versus an equally sized squad of SecOps forces in the jungles of Pandora, then I would have to give the edge to the SecOps forces. If the battle was a full-scale war between the two factions to gain control over, say, Pandora, then the superior space capabilities of the USCM would allow them to slowly take control of the planet, no matter how much the SecOps won on the ground. ***** TL;DR SecOps win on ground, USCM win in space.
The mobile infantry entering the hive? Nah fam. They'd just launch the nuke in. We saw them do this to a bug hive in the movie that warhead can appearantly navigate tunnels cause it makes it pretty deep in. Their tactics aren't to enter narrow passages. They tend to just blow up anything they can't take on directly and in the open.
Confined space? wiping out your squad when your fire one? who needs to go in when you could just spam nukes from a distance which guide themselves towards the center of the hive. The "nuke" you are trying to think is that of a nuclear bomb which could decimate a city, the M.I's shoulder fired nukes are quite different. Any survivors from the blast that try to come out would just get picked off by infantry at long rage. It's not even a challenge. Confined spaces, they do actually perform well. Remember the clip in starship troopers 3 where Rico leads a squad in Roku San? bug spam doesnt even stand a chance if u have the balls. Even if it was a xeno infested planet what makes you think the M.I wouldnt ask the Fleet to just Q-bomb the living fuck out of it?
You know just thinking, the squirrelanoids from teenage mutant ninja turtles and the xenomorph look very similar to each other. Please look into it and please do a video about my thought thanks hybrid network.
Movie mobile infantry couldn't fight their way out of a cardboard closet. They would definitely find a way to lose vs the Xenomorphs or barely win with appalling casualties.
Unfortunately , Humans are a really bad compatibility against a xenomorph The fact that Ripley survived throughout so many occasions , I would consider her REALLY lucky. If a human stands only a few feet away from a xenomorph , there's no chance of survival. A predator can deal with a xenomorph due to its strength and better tech.
If the Xenomorphs sense danger for the hive that may kill the hive at close range, they won't simply wait and ambush the troopers even if that would be the best course of action to get the most efficient kills because the risk to the hive may be too great concerning the tactical nukes the troopers would have. The queen alien or a concerted effort by some of the aliens would decide that they needed to attack the troopers at a much faster pace and at a distance that would reduce the risk of the hive being destroyed. If they aliens were to attack at a more aggressive style farther away from the hive then the standard tactics of the Starship Trooper marines would be more ideal to the initial onslaught by the aliens. The attack scenario would look similar to the event that occurred in Aliens the movie in the medical lab section when the aliens attacked from the ceiling and underneath the floor. I do think some of the Starship Troopers would survive the attacks because the group would send a suicide detachment off toward the queen alien location and eggs and attempt to set off a nuke but the main force would gradually withdraw hoping to lure the majority of defending aliens away. As you can see in the Starship Trooper movies, the troops like fighting in open field combat and if the group set up their defense out in the open then only underground attacks and air assaults would be effective in disrupting the troopers lines of combat.
The starship troopers can defeat the xenomorphs only if the engage them daytime in open space like a valley or they find the xenos hole and nuke forst. The xenomorphs depend on stealth and agility to home on their pray and kill them with a melee strike. The starship troopers don't appear to be very effective in close quarters battle.
Just like the bug holes.. They wouldn't go in. Nuke it and ask questions later.
Yep. Or start to go in, get jumped, begin falling back with bounding overwatch, then nuke it once outside.
Oh if they had their Marauder suits from the books... it wouldn't even be a question. One suited trooper could kill a hive.
Kenshar1984 I would be curious to see how the federation may adapt their tactics to aliens, also I wonder how they would try to use the psychics against the aliens. But like Ace said "shoot a nuke down a bug hole, you got a lot of dead bugs"
also they had motion trackers in starship troopers 2 but we all kind of like to forget about that movie....
+landry stewart what movie are you talking about?
If you factor in their marauder power armor, it might be a game changer
then i say include the different aliens from the movies/comics, like the t-rex Xeno and others^^ 20ft alien and more of the kind, 30ft long snake aliens, tank aliens with armor plated skin etc etc list goes on. Alien universe is bigger in comp. 2 the Starship Trooper universe.
Patrick S. In the Book, Starship Troopers, the Mobile Infantryman is clad in Power Armour. The movie did not respect the source material.
+Patrick S. but when you include ships that could just decimate the planet from orbit, it's not even fair.
deeman010gdj that is why the bugs had to live deep underground and outnumber humanity a billion to one, it's explicitly stated that even if they glass the surface of a planet they might not get them all as well as destroying any utility for the planet
The aliens can evolve to deal with them, and or manipulate the people in the ships to do there work for them, look for the Xenomorph vs Wahammer Space Marines comment in this videos comment section to see my references.
Also aliens have survived 100 megaton fission bombs, 40 megaton fusion explosions, various lower yield explosions, and more importanlty of all, in Aliens Omnibus novel 1, a earth sized planet with the aliens were hit with so many nuclear weapons that every body of water was vaporized, and they still survived.
The only reason the colonial marines faired poorly in the movie "Aliens" was because in the very beginning, they were prevented from firing their weapons due to risk of nuclear explosion, thus resulting in the loss of many of the marines. Their ammo was also taken by the CO, so during the fight inside the facility their smartguns, sentries, and rifles WOULD HAVE allowed them to hold out longer had most of their ammo NOT been taken prior
The Starships troopers are basically just the alien colonial marines against the xenomorphs. And we all know how that turned out.
kaibyl1 the starship troopers face a very different enemy arachnids swarm in numbers head on(most common form warrior arachnid). xenomorphs on the other hand are generally more stealthy.
John Alvarez Also take into consideration that all the arachnids lack the xenomorphs intellect. They just follow the brainbug's orders. While the xenomorphs are able to analyze their prey and bide their time before attacking.
kaibyl1 they should have went with the Rougheck cartoon version of starship troopers.
On the other hand, Xenomorpha are more stealthy because there are not several billion of them with many 'tank' bugs(About a queen equivalent but there is only one queen), flying blade bugs, and ofcourse artillery/anti space ship bugs.
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The Starships troopers are basically just the alien colonial marines against the xenomorphs. And we all know how that turned out.
We also know how it began... With almost all of the marines being ordered to give up all their ammo and grenades because plot armor. :)
Acid blood would also play a major role as well.
Madison Atteberry Exactly if you watched the first movie even badasses like Rico have a tendency even need to get the blood of whatever fighting all over them.
They would probably learn quickly that would be bad as far as xenomorphs go, but it would at least cost them 2 or 3 soldiers.
And if they do use weapons like the shotgun Rico used in the first assault blood splatter would be hard to avoid in large excursions.
And somewhere in the distance a group of colonial marines are laughing their asses off at the 'new guys'.
Madison Atteberry while a horde of Arachnids sneak up from behind. Lol
I could add other scfi but no, you have checked and mate.
I think this scenario gave the xenomorphs had too much of an advantage, seeing that the Xenos are in their most preferred environment while the starship troopers were not.
Drokla 47 Yea I agree, Xenos have everything they need by the scenario while the infantry are basically walking into this blind. If this was done with the infantry having prior info into the Xenos im sure theyd change their tactics
To be fair in pretty much every movie the Xenos are in their preferred environment since they are hunters that use ambush tactics.
If it gets to the point where you have Xeno attacking the troopers out in the open you know they already won since they have the numbers to do so; again that would mean it would be their environment.
the real question would be could they set a nuke and retreat without someone getting infected and mistakenly brought back to there ships?
maby a canyon wold be better?
its like the spartan versus the ninja, in realistic terms, the stealth based enemy will disengage and strike when the terms are more favorable for them. They won't fight the battle where their adversary has any advantage. "Fair fights are for suckers".
The Mobile Infantry do have terrible tactics but they rarely ever actually attack hives head-on, they land nearby and nuke them from a distance, that being said, the Arachnids may be smarter then Xenomorphs for leaving their hives to attack their enemies before they reach it.
Michael Y you so far off lmao the xenos themselves are far smarter then the arachnids Bc the arachnids took orders from one brain bug the xenomorphs themselves can think and plan how and when to attack arachnids are simple brainless soldiers without any self thinking xenomorphs are the complete opposite
Being stalking predators is not the same as being intelligent. Cats, spiders, snakes, on and on plan attacks, setting up ambushes. Its a cool instinct but not intelligence. And WAY less than a brain bug being able to slurp an officer's brain, then understand their tactics and technology.
No the average xeno shows little intelligence, the best was gutting one of their own to acid the floor(Note that they had a queen in the area).
The queen being in the area is important because it's very likely she directly controls/orders them and they thus act with her intelligence rather than their own.
Don Hauptmann They do however occasionally do things which may indicate abstract reasoning and some base understanding of technology. Cutting the lights in ops before the assault in aliens might have been an accident, might not. Pressing the punishment button to kill someone in a:R, as well as the fact the xenomorph in the first film appears confident in the use of doors (something shown frequently again in A:Isolation which was deemed cannon at release but fox has backed out of such declarations before).
@@jhauptmann9850 Yeah they are about as smart as crows, having problem solving skills and can work doors and given enough cause and effect can figure out what pushing a button does. The arachnids on the other hand have actual war strategies and a hive mind smarter then a human genius. The xenomorphs wouldn't understand to flee the nest after driving away a probing team and would get nuked.
Interesting. Have you considered doing the same with the 501st Stormtrooper Battalion? Aka, Vader's Fist.
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Xenomorph vs Warhammer space Marines
Jon M that's not even a contest
One basic space marine would probably decimate a hive with a queen
Alien stands there, about to pounce on the marine...The Space marine spits acid at the Alien.
Irony as the Alien begins to melt.
mightguy99 like rookie in the 2010 avp game
bruh this isnt even fair...the aliens cant even scratch the marine let alone kill one.... a more fair match is a platoon of imperial guardsmen, save the space marine for a 1v1 with the queen
Starshiptroopers are striped and their tactics suck. Starshiptroopers in the book would wipe them.
Brent Jockers this 1000xs over, the movie drop troopers don't do justice to them. One drop troopers in the book was describe as having more firepower than and old world tank battalion basically they were Halo master Chiefs. Also on the book a trooper squad was 10 and they nuked half a planet cause the skinnies sided with the bugs. Book troopers would see the Xeno threat and simply nuke it. Or pull back to space and destroy the whole planet giving no f***s
The book was written in the 50's and has the first use of a heads up display HUD.
why do we have to use the light infantry version I think if we were going with the ones from Invasion or traitor of Mars I think I would be a completely different outcome.
Ok so here is where this is wrong. The standard issue Morita comes with a shotgun attachment. While it might not pack the punch of a "pulse " rifle It is a great advantage in the confined spaces of a hive. Also if they are going to go into a hive, at such close quarters, why even bring the marksmen ? Lets not forget their grenades as well ( took out a tank bug ). And the shorter carbine Morita also good for close quarters.
"I have to give the edge to the xenomorpha just because they have so much of an upperhand" in the scenario where you specifically gave them.. So much of an upper hand...
Hmm let's put 20 desert fighters vs 20 jungle fighters.. Fighting in the jungle.. Oh and the jungle fighters have a tank... And satellite thermal surveillance. A fair scenario but I think the jungle fighters come out on top.. Derp! ;P
Live action would die, Animated would struggle but win, Book a single one of em could wipe out a colony more likely a dozen colonies
Assuming that the Feds know that Xenomorphs control the area, I assume that they'd use the same tactics as they did on Tango: "Fleet Glasses the Planet & MI Mops Up!"
arachnid vs Xeno ????? that would be Epic !!!!!
Arachnids in a all out assault, Xeno's in a more one on one fight... The acid blood makes it hard for bugs to actualy win a fight, only cause a stalemate, and the facehuggers would creat bug-xenos that would proceed to tear the bugs appart as is xeno tradition
Alexander Greyling Where would they attach tho?
remember Arachnids aren't dumb and comunicate with each other more than u think i think if it came down to it they prob would both die with the arachnid ripping apart a xeno but also dying from its acid blood
I honestly find arachnids more Ferocious than xenos in general and if they manage to get the xenos close enough its a wrap there mouths would tear through xenos but like i said the acid would also do damage
Thats what I meant by the stalemate, the blood would kill the bug while it tears appart the xeno. I also dont doubt that the bugs would start smartly analizing the xenomorphs, but the xenomorphs are also going to analize the bugs, they are smart enough to do so.
Since Xenomorphs are expert ambush predators, they wouldnt attack the bugs head on, so if say 30 bugs fought 30 xenos, the bugs would in an open assault tear the xenos appart while suffering great losses themselves, but in an enclosed area? They'd lose individuals to ambush attacks, making it a bit closer.
Also, at least warrior bugs have mouthes, so there is a facehugger problem (unlike, say, Xenomorphs vs Starcraft's Protoss race), and even if the mouth isnt accesable, drones could use the headbite technique to open up a hole in the chasis of a captured warrior bug for the facehugger to use and/or the facehugger would use its acid blood to open up a hole itself, like it does for the helmets of humans in the movies.
Once an infestation happens, things would reverse... Xenomorph versions of a species are always addapted to hunt the parent species and use them to spread their own genes. A single Xeno-Warrior Bug would, as long as it doesnt attack a group head on (which Xenos only do when they can swarm), then we could see a Xeno win in the long run as the species is asimilated by the Xenos... which is why we need the context
Yeah, if the MI troops had a defensive position and they were attacked during the day, they'd do okay. But, xenomorphs mostly come at night, mostly.
Thanks Nick for taking my request. Can't wait to see the other side.
And I do think the Xenos would win. Sure some of them will fall, but their speed and agility is their main weapon.
If the Colonial marines had a tough time. Imagine the mobile infantry
I think the TRAINED trooper with or without his armour would overmatch the xenomorophs....
Oh wait what branch of SF was riply oh right civilian pilot.
The marines had no idea they were in a fight until it was to late.
The whole purpose of MI hunt bugs kill bugs, Xenomorph looks enough like a bug acts like a bug and with proper bullet placement dies like one.
I would love to see a Starship Troopers/Aliens crossover movie.
How would you rate the Mobile Infantry as they are in the original book, against the xenomorph? Would their mobile armor be a help or a hinderance? And they way they are organized in there?
Thanks for takeing in to what I said. And good luck on the marines vs arachnids
With the troopers I think they would see the hive and nuke it from the start. Unless the mission was to take something from inside in that case it would be like the tunnels from the bugs. And not give the xenos a chance to get behind them u till they get in a more open spot.
I have a question, you said the Marida was less powerful than the M41A right? On what basis do you make that statment? To my knowledge, I thought the M41A was suposed to be like a caseless projectile SMG while the Marida was a standard rifle that fired full power rifle cartridges. Are you compairing the underbarrel attachments aswell?
He is underplaying the marida rifle because he is one of those who simp for the book version wrote by an old fart moron who though that the best thing that could happen to the usa was going into a full nuclear armagedon.
I think it was made canon that there was a marauder program (the 2005 fps game) that had extra special troopers who would get in shielded suits of armor and lead troopers to victory.
The program was shut down later in favor of a mech suit.
I would give the edge to the xenomorphs as well.How about a team battle?Mobile infantry and colonial marines vs xenomorphs and bugs? (Or just hybrids.)
Xenomorphs vs UNSC Marines
First, the Queen wouldn't engage in battle because she'd be completely immobile unless her egg sack was destroyed. Secondly, the Aliens prefer to attack in the dark.
Ethen Allen *creepy stare* mostly...
Easily the starship troopers. The troopers are treated like a meathead 😁 so MI would definitely win due to its advanced weaponry and lack of self preservation
The MI are a good force but the problem is, they panic and break ranks as we've seen in the Klendathu Drop, so you put a platoon of MI troopers in a Xeno Hive, automatic game over, no one survives, one big factor is that the MI is used to Arachnids charging right at them, while the Xenomorphs however do not.
If Ridley Scott is directing, we wouldn't find any answers to this question for years.
Crysis vs Predator! Can't wait for the battle of stealth warriors :D
Ever thought bout making a video with both the mobile infantry and the arachnids from starship troopers, having a face off with the terrain, the protoss and the zerg from starcraft.
How do this battle will go?
Where do you get the nice concept art pictures as seen in the later parts of the video?
a good ole fashion bug hunt, i like it
Do the book version of Starship Troopers VS Xenomorphs! :) I want to hear how you think they would fair have their mobility suits
cody strouse the acidic blood solves that problem lol
the only reason the folks in Aliens had issue was that they collected clips early on and had no ammo. If they didn't do that they would have wiped the X out without issue
To all the comments stating, "Oh well they would just nuke the nest before the MI would even enter the hive," how would they know they are entering a hive? If you look at most of the movies with the xenomorphs in them, they built their hives inside buildings, deep underground, or in other confined areas. Look at the Colonial Marines in the second Aliens movie. They didn't know they were going into a hive until they were already in it. So in that scenario, no dumb MI officer would order a nuke in such a confined area. Also, you would have to put into account what the MI's mission objectives were to start with. If they were ordered to clear out a building so they can use it later, they probably would not detonate a nuke or the building with go up with it. It's only in the darkhorse comics (I highly suggest looking up Alien: Nightmare Asylum. It's one of the best and most beautiful of the Alien comics) where you see the xenos creating a "dome" like hive and in that instant than yes, MI would just nuke it.
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I believe it would be a pretty even fight if you have a platoon versus Platoon but let's face it if there is a planet that is having an issue the mobile industry doesn't fuck around they'll send an entire fleet to that planet where the colonial Marines will send a ship or so
Another thing is that the morita lacks sights meaning some if not most of the shots would miss, along with being weaker.
And I don't think the Xenos would attack an open terrain fortress unless they had massive numbers.
I think more likely they would repeat the tactics from Aliens and send a diversion wave in as a sacrifice then send a "stealth" unit to find an alternative route. Or have a group suicide themselves on a part of the forts walls allowing for subterfuge.
xenomorphs vs the bugs from starship troopers. oh wait, is that already done??
Are there any kind of special forces types in the starship troopers universe?
I think you are wrong about it, I think the starship trooper would have the advantage here considering that they have nuclear missiles they used to nuke the bugs hives from outside, making the tactics of the xenomorph of waiting for the troopers to get inside the cave to ambush them useless.
I´m making my opinion based that in the starship trooper movie, when the troopers are attacking the bugs at the light of the day and shot one of those missile toward the entrance of a bug hole, you can see the missile taking a turn inside the cave before it goes out of the camera view sugesting that these missile where designed to navigate deep through the tunnels of the bug hive. And at the end of the movie we can see that these bombs work with a time fuse, also suggesting that these missile would travel as deep inside the hive until the timer runs out.
How I see it would go is that the starship troopers will first carpet bomb all the xenomorph on the surface of the planet (just like they did in the movie with the bugs) and then deploy their troops armed with nukes to search for the entrance of the hive and nuke them from the surface, the xenomorph may have the advantage inside their hive but outisde of their hives it would be the turf of the trooper who would be waiting for any survivor xenomorph to strumble their way out of the hive and shoot them in squad formation just like they did with the bugs in the movie.
It's funny, I found this because I was looking up the new starship troopers trailer reactions.
I would say it'll be pretty even but edging on the xeno's side. I say even because the troopers battle bugs pretty often on open ground. But IF you take anything from the animated TV show and common sense they would have been trained in cave/close quarters combat (CQC). I think the real issue would be any face huggers since there would be a queen. The trooper's rifles are too large compared to the pulse rifle so 2 man teams would have to plug up the hole which they are going into, possibly a 4 man firing line.
Given the fact that the xeno like to camo themselves in the wall as troopers walk by them is their biggest advantage since the troopers wouldn't be properly trained in xeno ambush tactics. What I can say for the troopers compared to the colonial marines is that the troopers are better disciplined for combat. You see in the movies a more spray and pray method, you see the same with the troopers but that's only when they face great numbers and most of the time they are shooting off limbs or hitting the nerve center, so their accuracy is better. Since in the Starship Troopers universe you see the units dying so often other soldiers wouldn't be too affected moral wise unlike the colonial marines which tend to panic a tad bit easier, probably due to their fewer numbers.
Conclusion
Humans
More bodies, better accuracy, better military discipline, hardened moral, and last resort is a suicide bomb with the mini nuke.
Xeno
Camo, ambush tactics, (possibly facehuggers against bulky weapons), speed, bullet resistant queen (possibly the same strength or better compared to the tanker bug shell, maybe royal bug class)
facing xenos with the common lack of intel that the troopers go in a situation with is a death sentence for them against the xenos
I think the MIU would sacrifice themselves to eradicate an enemy that has overrun & overpowered them.
Gr8 vids but I wanna see the Colonial Marines vs the Arachnids
What if a face hugger infected a Queen bug?
Sweet, now Xenomorphs vs. Arachnids
There is a diference between xenomorphs and arachnids, the first ones are more like a spider they hide and attack by surprise, the arachnids they are more like ants they trust in they numbers and brute force is more about the situation, if the starship troopers found some eggs and bring them to their ship without any previous knowledge, is only matter of time for something go wrong but if they allready know about the xenomorph life cicle and inteligence the troopers will be fine.
This would be the most logical crossover in movie history...even better than alien vs predator
I feel the troopers from the books might stand a far better chance because their power suits are primarily meant for quick open warfare and firing massive amounts of ammunition in bursts. The xenomorphs would not stand a chance in open combat with suits that can send the user far out of reach with a single jump. Yet in a sneak attack it would be far more devastating, but the suits auto doc would reduce the casualties.
I think the book is a piece of shit.
Now I want the book versions of the starship marines
can you please make a video explaining "oxygen destroyer" in Godzilla?
Here's another thing that's not fair that we don't know remember when the colonial Marines were on Aliens too they had all their rounds taken away from them this is why I wrote my own little aliens story about a platoon of Special Forces colonial Marines along with Delta Force and other operators that go to a similar planet where they're allowed to have their full fire power and not worry about shooting into a nuclear reactor to blow up the whole planet and of course I have casualties in the story but this would be a kick-ass for the humans in a complete Wipeout of the xenos even with hybrid zenos I also believe that the Starship Troopers fire a big around in a 308 I remember reading this in 2007 I believe their tactics would be very similar even though it shows a little chaotic at first but if the colonial Marines were facing shuts numbers I believe it would look similar to Starship Troopers and I think they do have a motion tractor on the second or third movie it showed that they had trackers what kind of a cheap cheesy movie but they did have them
One thing major you forgot to talk about is the hard exoskeleton the bugs have compared to the xenomorphs. Given the evolutional development of the bug species, they are able to have harder exoskeletons than the xenomorphs. THE STARSHIP TROOPERS MOBILE INFANTRY WOULD BE FIRING AT SMALL TANKS. Mobile Infantry would be using High-explosive squash head rounds and armor-piercing ammunition. Armour-piercing capped (APC), Armour-piercing ballistic capped (APBC), Armour Piercing Capped Ballistic Capped 201403 ,Armour-piercing capped ballistic capped (APCBC)Armour-piercing composite rigid (APCR)High velocity armour piercing (HVAP) or even Armour-piercing high explosive (APHE) Semi-armor-piercing high explosive (SAPHE)....Moble infantry rifles would be packing allot.
Looking at the book and movie, the MI Troopers almost always went in big numbers. They also had mechs, not shown in the movie.
You forget about the mechs that starship troopers use. And that nice power armor they have
What about the physic soldiers and officers? They actually could detect incoming aliens and even did so in one of the movies.
The mobile infantry from the books would be a 100% different scenario in their favour.
can you make a video on what if The Arachnids VS The Zerg.
Xenomorphs are like ninja. If there's one then it can wipe out dozens of people without even working up a drool. But the more of them there are, the more they just turn into bullet sponges.
The Troopers would be screwed. Although, it'd be interesting if Jenkins were to establish a dialogue with the Queen. Rico, Dizzy, and Jenkins would probably be the only ones to survive.
Honestly I think the analysis of their tactics is perhaps a bit unfair, after all, door to door infantry tactics are only so useful against an enemy that uses swarm tactics. So assuming the Mobile Infantry can only fight in line formations themselves is perhaps dumbing down the situation a bit too much. In that regard Starship Troopers Roughnecks probably gives a better scope of the Mobile Infantry's tactics, even if you remove the marauder suits from the equation. Especially when we see them fighting against ranged enemies.
Now this is what I wanted to hear. A fair trial. lol
If the Space Marines from Warhammer 40K Dropped from Orbit in the mist of the battle,none would survive. The Queen would die by the Heavy Bolters and Flamethrowers.
The queen would die from the drop pod bolters clearing the room before the doors open.
reading through the comments, I was intrigued.
Zergs vs Xenos
Both can evolve and adapt to their environment and enemies but who would be the better species?
Queen Keerigan vs Queen Xeno
How about matching any of the races (xenos or aracnids) with a real militar forces around the world?
MI is trained to kill bugs - easy victory for MI
What about the mobile infantry's marauders?
How about Colonial Marines vs Xenomorphs, in the same scenario. No reactor cooling system forcing them to hold fire and disarm*, no deliberately assigning a incompetent commanding officer so that a greedy corporate yuppie can smuggle Xenomorphs out for $$ (In the book I remember that Burke made sure they had a brand new commander so he could manipulate him, just didn't realise how it could backfire).
They go in fully loaded, ammo and nades, trackers, set up sentry guns to cover flanks. APC support (who needs nukes when you have particle cannons ?) and every gadget that Hudson went on about in the deleted scenes about state of the badass arts.
And a regular experienced colonel.
*seriously just inform the troops about the reactor situation so they don't disobey and blow away the pipes anyway, and allow them to keep their ammo in case they fall back to a non cooling position. And at first sign of contact retreat to said kill em all position. Still every Alien movie needs at least one idiot to screw it up for everyone.
I loved starship Troopers, but I do agree that the Xenomorphs would either win or everyone would die especially the way the rough necks dealt with heavily injured troops
Actually there's a detail you left out, or don't understand.
The Pulse rifle fires a high Explosive 10mm Round, that's if your looking at weapon calibres it's a .40 calibre pistol
the Morita fires a 7.62x45 Round , that's a .308 Rifle calibre round, it's a Massive round and has much greater range and penetration. its' a FAR more powerful round than the Colonial Marine's 10mm round.
Now without a doubt in a confined environment the MI would take heavy casualties, but they aren't idiots either, as we see in Starship troopers 3 , the Colonel turns a rifle squad into a very deadly grenadier rifle mix up within a confined environment , I would allow the MI to adapt, being able to afford casualties a strategic withdrawal or even just turning themselves into a cocoon of 7.62 fire would royally hurt the Xenomorphs if not push or force them back. I do believe however that the only way to truly destroy them for the MI would be a surge of a company strength if not larger troopers into a hive or tactical nukes.
Could there be a counter to the Xenomorph acid blood?
landfair123 acid resistant armor lol it wouldn't stop the acid completely but could slow it down
Tf2 mercenaries vs Predators. Who would win?
I doubt pulse rifles are more powerful than moritas. Also dont forget that mobile infantry are nuts. If you tell them to do something, they fight until their last breath. And dont get me started on the book cap troopers, sending 2 of those into a bug hole would probably be overkill.
Now this..
Bugs(arachnids) vs Xenomorphs Who wins?
mobile infantry would just end up being xenomorph food and baby factories
Antacids vs colonial marines (aliens). That should be next
Xenomorph vs necromorph
Christian cooke looks exactly like rico from starship troopers
Against the Xenos, the Colonial Marines were fucked by bad leadership. The Mobile Infantry... they're just fucked. The Xenos strike me as the ultimate guerilla warriors. They'd hide underground, strike by night, pick the MI off one by one... and every casualty means a new Xeno warrior. I'm sure the Federation would have specialized Commando units with advanced weaponry and tactics they'd deploy against Xenos, but the MI regulars would be in WAY over their heads.
Colonial Marines vs RDA SecOps (avatar)
IIRC, the Avatar SecOps used in the movie were NOT from an official branch of the US military (I think), but were instead a bunch of highly trained and dangerous mercenaries and hired guns; most likely with many of them coming from special forces backgrounds or something similarly competent.
Colonial Marines are tough, but that's just their culture. SecOps were literally one of the best paid PMCs one could afford to hire in the Avatar universe. It'd be like pitting a group of Marines against a group of still-active ex Special Forces-- because that's practically what it is.
I love the CM to bits, but the SecOps take the cake in this one.
Paul Lee I'd love to see an in-depth discussion of the RDA's weapons and vehicles though...
Thinking of which the Smartguns and use of Armour might buy a fighting chance for the CMs. Don't know if an APC would do well against one of those bigger rocket choppers, but I doubt if the Samson (the standard one they use for troop deployment) could touch it.
Smartgun would definitely play a HUGE role in fighting the SecOps, as I understand it, there are a total of TWO smartgun operators for every squad of TEN marines, which is an incredible force multiplier that the SecOps forces simply do not have. USCM also deploy mortars, flamethrowers, and motion sensors into their squads. SecOps armor and CM armor is very similar, with very comparable performance, though the M41A pulse rifle is specifically designed for armor wearing units; however, the SecOps CARB is no pushover-- fully modular, powerful, high rate of fire, as well as excellent ammo capacity-- moreover, the SecOps operators will be individually more skilled riflemen than the Colonial Marines, so the issue of force-on-force is debatable, but I'd say the edge goes to the SecOps for their superior training and their ability to conduct guerilla warfare, which, as we've seen in the movies, is a bit of a weakness for the Colonial Marines.
The USCM have armed and armored APCs at the ready, as well as their own version of a Main Battle Tank, artillery vehicles, and howitzers. On Pandora, we saw that the SecOps have a highly mobile, miniature vehicle that can launch a large number or small rockets very quickly and with great accuracy. They also have offensive and defensive drones, Avatar bodies (which can, theoretically, be repurposed for war), large construction vehicles, and mobile suits, which are armed with large caliber machine guns.
Unlike in the UNSC versus Colonial Marines fight, the SecOps do NOT suffer from lack of resources, funds, or manpower. The RDA, who the SecOps forces are contracted with, are extremely rich, extremely expansive, and extremely ambitious. However, the issue of interstellar security is a big flaw for the RDA, as they have no known battleship-type cruisers or attack vessels of any sort in space, the only one we see being the ISV transport ship.
In regards to air-to-air combat, the UD4L dropship's competitor would have to be the SecOps Dragon Airship (or "Assault" ship). It is said that the SecOps Dragon Airship is capable of leveling a city block with solely the on board weapons found on the ship, which may be hyperbole, but we DO see it taking down a 100 meter thick tree with just a few Scorpion gunships at its side, which is something I do not believe the UD4L dropship could do, even if there were 5 of them. The USCM have dedicated air-to-air superiority fighters, which we do not see with the RDA, but we do see the scorpion gunships, which have incredible firepower at the ready, are very nimble, and very reliable. Plus, we must take into account that even the pilots that the SecOps hire are top-of-the-line flightmen, probably picked from a list of some of the best pilots that can come from both domestic and foreign militaries.
If the battle was simply a squad of Colonial Marines versus an equally sized squad of SecOps forces in the jungles of Pandora, then I would have to give the edge to the SecOps forces. If the battle was a full-scale war between the two factions to gain control over, say, Pandora, then the superior space capabilities of the USCM would allow them to slowly take control of the planet, no matter how much the SecOps won on the ground.
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TL;DR
SecOps win on ground, USCM win in space.
The mobile infantry entering the hive? Nah fam. They'd just launch the nuke in. We saw them do this to a bug hive in the movie that warhead can appearantly navigate tunnels cause it makes it pretty deep in. Their tactics aren't to enter narrow passages. They tend to just blow up anything they can't take on directly and in the open.
Confined space? wiping out your squad when your fire one? who needs to go in when you could just spam nukes from a distance which guide themselves towards the center of the hive. The "nuke" you are trying to think is that of a nuclear bomb which could decimate a city, the M.I's shoulder fired nukes are quite different. Any survivors from the blast that try to come out would just get picked off by infantry at long rage. It's not even a challenge. Confined spaces, they do actually perform well. Remember the clip in starship troopers 3 where Rico leads a squad in Roku San? bug spam doesnt even stand a chance if u have the balls. Even if it was a xeno infested planet what makes you think the M.I wouldnt ask the Fleet to just Q-bomb the living fuck out of it?
You know just thinking, the squirrelanoids from teenage mutant ninja turtles and the xenomorph look very similar to each other.
Please look into it and please do a video about my thought thanks hybrid network.
So basically, if either faction attacks in the other's home turf they'll lose. Huh...
you can tell the narrator had no idea.... about military tactics..... they fight in lines because they're outside inside diff.. story!
Xenomorph hive vs a squad of Halo Spartans.
Movie mobile infantry couldn't fight their way out of a cardboard closet. They would definitely find a way to lose vs the Xenomorphs or barely win with appalling casualties.
Unfortunately , Humans are a really bad compatibility against a xenomorph
The fact that Ripley survived throughout so many occasions , I would consider her REALLY lucky.
If a human stands only a few feet away from a xenomorph , there's no chance of survival.
A predator can deal with a xenomorph due to its strength and better tech.
I honestly think that the Starship Troopers would have to sacrifice one of their own with a nuke, retreat, and their job is done. Or is it?
If the Xenomorphs sense danger for the hive that may kill the hive at close range, they won't simply wait and ambush the troopers even if that would be the best course of action to get the most efficient kills because the risk to the hive may be too great concerning the tactical nukes the troopers would have. The queen alien or a concerted effort by some of the aliens would decide that they needed to attack the troopers at a much faster pace and at a distance that would reduce the risk of the hive being destroyed. If they aliens were to attack at a more aggressive style farther away from the hive then the standard tactics of the Starship Trooper marines would be more ideal to the initial onslaught by the aliens. The attack scenario would look similar to the event that occurred in Aliens the movie in the medical lab section when the aliens attacked from the ceiling and underneath the floor.
I do think some of the Starship Troopers would survive the attacks because the group would send a suicide detachment off toward the queen alien location and eggs and attempt to set off a nuke but the main force would gradually withdraw hoping to lure the majority of defending aliens away. As you can see in the Starship Trooper movies, the troops like fighting in open field combat and if the group set up their defense out in the open then only underground attacks and air assaults would be effective in disrupting the troopers lines of combat.
The equipment in the Starship Troopers book is way more advanced than what the live action movie shows. Not a good standard to go by.
The starship troopers can defeat the xenomorphs only if the engage them daytime in open space like a valley or they find the xenos hole and nuke forst. The xenomorphs depend on stealth and agility to home on their pray and kill them with a melee strike. The starship troopers don't appear to be very effective in close quarters battle.
I would say alien because you could just imagine how many troopers would be impregnated and not know it.
Nice vid
You forgot to take into account Facehuggers.