Toon Force Luffy is definitely overrated, I don't read One Piece but from what Ive seen how bro got Toon Force and STILL losing to Kaido??? Mfs also say he beats Goku 💀💀💀 he ain't even beating Naruto or Ichigo
That's debatable because the One piece world is THEORIZED to be 1776x bigger than our world meaning that any island to continental scaling COULD BE wanked to moon or large planetary
It's called balancing and great writing lol... and it makes sense that someone who's been a yonko for decades is not going to be simply overpowered by a new upgrade the MC hasn't even mastered yet. Yonko don't keep their position for that long for nothing, they've actually been battle tested and can handle whatever is thrown at them even if they've never heard of or seen it before.
I mean luffy only dies if he gets completely submerged by still water, i know you're joking, but there are people that think luffy deadass would get clapped by an water gun
@@marlonfarias. Yeah you’re right, I just like messing around with One Piece fans, but in all seriousness if anyone actually thinks that’s they’re stupid.
@@princecheck11 uh, duh dude. Why would someone with zero interest in one piece scale their characters? If you’re not a fan, I assume you haven’t read the story- so if you’re not a fan and we can assume you haven’t read the story- how would you scale the characters to begin with ?
@@GojoKiller16th I’ve read one piece bro.Luffy is gonna lose, and than say, “I’m going to be King of the Pirates”and then win. He’s going to get folded by kaidos new form again.
@@kameronmiller2226 hmm debatable i could see him lose but don’t think he will I feel like luffy still got something up his sleeve it’s called sun god for a reason he deffo obviously has more tricks that he himself Dk about but remember the lanterns are going up the sky it might trigger something for him as the lanterns rappresenting the “sun”
This is my response to someone who thought luffy wins lol. -Luffy doesn’t have dura neg against Naruto. The way to counter luffys rubber negation is haki. He molds around the attack but still takes damage. Haki is weaponizing your spiritual energy as stated by Rayleigh a.k.a “will.” Chakra is the mixture of “spiritual energy” and physical energy to mold chakra, the power system for Naruto. Two different power systems used in two different ways but can interact with each other because they are made of the same component, chakra being superior since it also has the physical energy component. I’m Naruto case also nature energy which we’ll get to later. So naruto using chakra based attacks would negate luffys nullification effects meaning luffy will take damage. Also shown when Naruto uses chakra to pop a rubber ball or when the 3rd raikage chopped a rubber ball in half with weaponized chakra. Naruto also has nature energy which when used negates truthseeking that are made of every element and change in chakra nature, including yin and Yang so that means light to. So y’all logia argument is out the picture too. - he can see into the future but it’s a slight glimpse, and he’s been shown to still be able to get hit even with said “future sight.” He’s been getting hit this whole time when kaido hasn’t even been using his future sight. So superior speed or tactics can clearly still tag luffy. He needs to be calm while using it which is why he couldn’t when he got one shot by kaido earlier in wano and explained by katakuri. Naruto is known to be an unpredictable fighter, being able to use up to 2000 clones of himself all slightly weaker then the original because of they were divided power he wouldn’t be able to match madara limbo clones. And solo the whole war basically. His clones can even make clones. So luffy with plenty of pressure applied with crazy tactics and techniques he couldn’t comprehend cause he wouldn’t know what is happening opposed to Naruto that just needs to know he’s rubber? Naruto fight character with 360 vision, precognition with the sharingan, merged with literal nature itself, 6 people sharing vision at once, and plenty more examples. He himself can sense thousands of peoples life force and energy countries away while running to the battle field, can sense everything in nature itself, can sense intent and emotions without any requirements. So him having future sight isn’t really going to have any relevance. Especially when I’m able to debunk ya little speed claim that nobody seems to realize the flaws. - he isn’t as fast as y’all think. Every speed feat you guys bring up is inconsistent with mostly everything with the story. The first is him dodging the pacifista lasers. Rayleigh said with observation you can perceive light, so him staring at the pacifista aiming and charging the laser can clearly aim dodge the thing😂. The foxy situation is an outlier and not consistent at all with majority of what luffy has shown and The story. If luffy was casually mftl at that point in the series in base then character like ussop and chopper are mftl which is not at all consistent with the feats they show. A statement in a SBS states post time skip ussop scales to pre time skip Zoro and that was fishman island arc ussop. And kizaru wouldn’t be a factor or even impressive then which the story hypes him for being top speed in the verse until shown. If base pre time luffy is casually faster then light then kizaru without using his logia ability should be way above the speed that his fruit provides him basically making it only useful for shooting lasers. Since him being light doesn’t add any value to his speed cause he’s already faster, he just becomes light, it isn’t an addition. Even using the kuma thing in thriller bark doesn’t work. Cause if Zoro while fatigued is cart wheeling through attacks that “can move at the speed of light,” but not always doing so since we also know kuma was on their side anyways so we don’t even know if he was propelling them at max speed. That’s like saying Naruto is mftl just cause he dodged hakus ice mirrors as a kid in the first arc of the series. Because stated in a guide book that hakus mirrors can reflect at the speed of light. But the can is important because we know haku didn’t want to kill Naruto and probably want going full speed but can! But if we’re giving the kuma feat then the same applies to Naruto since you can’t actually disprove haku wasn’t going full speed but more the less implying cause it would be inconsistent with the rest of the series like I said for one piece. Luffy for sure it ftl now but not to the degree y’all think and I’m still pin pointing it exact but for now I’ll say it’s relative to Naruto’s since he has actually consistent speed of light scaling. Off rips the one 2-3 examples I need are these. The 4th raikage in his full power lariat is stated to move like light. Naruto blitzed him when he was moving full speed 1 inch from his nose. That was basic kcm, then he get kcm 2 and don’t forget this is large amounts of chakra amps cause chakra directly amps speed, strength, and durability in the Naruto verse as shown when Naruto gets more kyuubi chakra he clearly gets stronger and faster. Even madara while toying around and getting jumped dodged and finesses the 4th raikage going full speed with the light weight boulder justu amping his speed most likely over 10 times since with the same justu he was able to lighten a meteor that scales way bigger then anything fujitora dropped with help from gaara of course. And Naruto in kcm 2 actually clashes with madara making him try harder then the mage even did. Then he gets sage mode on top of that and god amps that give him 2-3 times more then the 10 Tails that’s makes the 9 tails chakra reserves look like a puddle. That same 9 tails making Naruto already faster then light. So clearly Naruto in terms of speed is either faster then luffy consistently, or with wank and benefit of doubt relative which shows the future sight argument won’t work when luffy has 2000 equally as fast people jumping him. But that’s speed, the power difference is immense lmao, but next point. - ryou isn’t doing anything because luffy is making contact with the chakra cloak surrounding Naruto which is thick and shown to actually protect Naruto. He gave around 10,000 shinobi 3 times the chakra of kakashi to tank the 10 tails cataclysm which nuked the whole continent… which by the way was the 10 tails literally just yelling 😂. Plus Naruto as a kid healed his whole liver being ripped out by a chidori in seconds with just baby slithers of 9 tails chakra. With access to the full thing his regeneration is insane, so not only can luffy not actually use his internal damage correctly but it wouldn’t actually effect someone as durable as Naruto. More example is the fact he stopped gai from dying and can even create new eyes, so that whole luffy drinking milk and regrowing a tooth seems pretty ass. His being a giant didn’t even make him the size of the 10 tails which Naruto fought lol, he fights giant flying Susanno and literally has a avatar mode slight smaller packing a lot more power. Naruto in reverse can also hit luffy without touching him by weaponizing the nature energy around him “frog kumite.” - so final points, the 10 tails in its first form had chakra comparable to the size of the moon or planet I forgot which one. Then it transformed and got stronger. Madara who scales to the 10 tails since while blind he can dick on all the bijju, absorbs the 10 Tails and gets rinnegan amps on top of that. So we’re talking 2x times planetary levels of chakra. Then Naruto in base almost one shot killed that madara. Then stack the 9 tails, 10 times book release amp, and the fact he got another half of the 9 tails after the sasuke fight he has enough AP to actually destroy a planet. Hitting luffy with that will kill him. He also has slashing attack with claws made of chakra which is luffys weakness. He fought multiple god tiers for 2 days and nights with no food or little time for rest. Luffy already died and lost 3 times with help form like 14 other people while his enemy is holding an island. And luffy still hasn’t won yet! Kaido doesn’t even scale to Naruto so how is luffy?
I didn't even have to read all of that. All I read was the last sentence. And that's a perfect point I'm throwing around. IF KAIDO FUCKIN LUFFY UP. HOW IS LUFFY ON NARUTO'S LEVEL
it’s obviously not Toon force because if they gave him that what would be the point of fights in op anymore . He would literally shit on everyone and he would easily get the one piece treasure 😂
@Average Giga Chad "Similar to Reality Warping, only that it is based usually on what's comedic. It is the ability to replace or apply absurd laws to the universe; the user gains the ability to re-write the laws of physics in their universe to their convenience and is allowed to overwrite them with far more ridiculous ones in service of hilarity.", That's exactly what Toon Force is lmao
@Average Giga Chad yeah he hasn't lol, the most obvious case is homie gets touched by seawater and becomes a wet piece of paper bro. He is not using too force, man's gets bodied so hard by kizaru or smoker he had to be saved by Dragon or Kuma. Even in the marineford and impel down arcs we see him getting whooped beyond comparison. What Manga are you reading lol
@Average Giga Chad thats literally luffy’s ability and what awakening has been shown to be able to do. Turns the environment around him to rubber. Why wouldn’t the drawing style change if the landscape is rubbery? Oda being consistent to his power system is not an indication that he gave luffy toon force.
Then explain eyes popping out. Leaving a fire trail by running on air, literally giving you stars and birds around your head by getting punched, turning completely crisp black by getting burnt and simply shaking it all of like it's nothing...granted ONE PIECE has always been quite wacky but it has never been this cartoony. Anyone that's read the series will tell you this is completely different than your usual fights. Most of the things you see in this fight is literally taken from cartoons like Tom and Jerry or Road runner.
I have a question. How would you guys rank Kakuzu, Deidara, and Sasori? This isn't a Kakuzu joke or anything. IMO it's Sasori > Deidara >=< Kakuzu. The reason is because Kakuzu was defeated by base Naruto, the same Naruto who that that he's still inferior to BoS Sasuke before absorbing Orochimaru. And Sasuke post Orochimaru beat Deidara, and Deidara is weaker than Sasori. What are you guys' opinion? The reason I put Kakuzu and Deidara together is because Kakuzu can defuse Deidara's bombs using lighting style
Like how it's supposed to be. Goku gets new hair and suddenly already mastered the ability. It's bad writing but I guess that doesn't matter as long as it looks cool right? You can't compare a character that's been balanced to a character that's overpowered simply because the author didn't put any thought into the powerscaling system. If one character can destroy the planet with a single beam then wouldn't said planet be in danger every time guys of similar level fight on it? Nothing but except a few buildings and landscape gets destroyed in DB and yet in One piece when characters that level fight seriously the whole Islands climate changes. Hell and fight between Luffy and doflamingo almost wiped out an entire country and yet earth is still intact every time freeza and Goku or whatever villain fights. How does that make sense? If they're "planet level" then whatever planet they're fighting should be a wasteland every time they fight.
Goku has better toon force feats than Luffy & Saitama. Goku destroyed a MANGA PANEL! Plus in DBS Goku can cut off the narrator mid introduction what did Saitama do? get hurt by a house cat? struggle to kill a bug? plus Goku > Suppressed Beerus who is immune to toon force (Dr Slump crossover)
So does that also means Mr. Satan is now planet level since he took hits from both Kid Buu and Perfect Cell? Taking gag moments seriously as a way to present feats and scale how strong they are is such a pathetic arguement.
You saying Saitama got hurt by a cat but goku got hurt by a rock and shot by a laser. Goku doesn't have toon force. Goku still wins but he don't have toon force
@@tmakster7748 Did I say Goku has toon force? I don't think you understand my point. Goku has an actual toon force feat, breaking the manga panel. Saitama has 0 toon force feats.
dude theres a difference between having a toon power and a gag in a show or manga. goku already beats luffy anyway the dude broke time against hit and reality can be distorted in SSJ3. i havent seen a single OP fan saying anything close to luffy is unbeatable but you all just assume we mean that by saying he has toonforce. lmfao
lol ok? OP fan here we dont care if luffys the strongest just quit lying about powers in OP that have been proven. ppl still saying G5 just lets him manipulate rubber. lmfao
People are so weird at powerscaling and when a person gets a power up…luffy is strong in op but not everywhere else…just to use the 4 everybody know…from statements and feats even if they seem scale down later in the series not nerfed 1.Dbs 2.Bleach 3.Naruto but Some characters can fight on them levels but not enough to matter to a whole verse and 4. Is one piece because we’ve seen crazy things like whitebeard and other but Dbs and Bleach have statements that we know is easily past planet level started many times especially universal in dragon ball
Were they wrong? No one in piece has the ap or speed to contend with the top naruto characters. And before y8u mention lights peed people were faster than light speed in part one of naruto
@@Idontknownw lmfao OP characters have way way way higher speed feats than naruto its not even close. way higher durability and raw strength as well. lmfao. no ppl werent faster than lightspeed in part 1. lmfao
@@AnketR Actually, that isn’t entirely true. 1) Whenever a fishman uses Water Shot (which for certain fishmen has a destructive power far greater than anything Kisame has shown), they produce water from seemingly nowhere. Furthermore, Fishman Karate allows fishmen to manipulate the water inside of your body for internal damage. Kisame summoning water isn’t doing ANYTHING to anyone that is even a little strong. Not to mention things like getting blitzed, getting out haxed, getting frozen, seriously Aokiji one shots, getting boiled alive, etc. Anyone Hody Jones level and up is bodying Kisame easily.
@@muhammedibrahim8393 I've at least read all the series unlike you ppl that has only watch DBZ or Naruto and think you know everything about all the other series. Why don't you ppl first go read the damn series before commenting dumb shit like these. G5 or any of Luffy's transformations is nothing like Ssj. The moment you compare his transformations to ssj you've lost all argument. It's like comparing chicken to a tofu. Completely different things.
@@pikachu3b366m who told you that i didnt read or watched one piece because i am currently reading it and hair colour change is just straight uo from dragonball stop being a fanboy
To correct the person who made a donation saying its only sea water that weakens devil fruit users in an sbs a fan asked oda what type of water weakens devil fruit users and oda said all types of water do devil fruits users only need to be submerge in a large body of water and not only that they somewhat lose strength if the water reaches up to their knees of course the amount of strength they lose in this situation is so minuscule that it won't be that noticeable
btw saitama > goku saiyans have limits 1-99, (gay versions too) saitama = broke his limiter, limitless power similar to superman saitama > superman > goku
And you do? Luffy's been more impressive literally every chapter. Sure his Toon Force abilities aren't as crazy as let's say Bugs Bunny but it is still a very low level of toon force. Literally running so fast in the air that you leave a fire trails, being burnt to crisp and then immediately back to normal by simply shaking it off, Punch ppl so hard that they literally have stars and Birds around their head, eyes popping out just in the presence of Luffy's G5. Even character in the series themselves pointing out that this feels like something straight out of a children's comic book. Not all toon force users need to be multi universal level breaking the fourth wall smacking your own creators. There are variations of toon force. Just because most toon force characters happens to be completely out of hand doesn't mean all of these characters need to be that.
@@pikachu3b366m none of what you said is an example of toon when it's just his rubber abilities taken to the extreme. How many times has birds/stars/whatever been floating around people's heads in one piece or any other shonen manga it's not something unique to Luffys gear 5. His eyes popping out again rubber abilities taken to the extreme, him running on air is literally explained back in the battle against cp9 to just be multiple super fast steps/kicks on the air to make it look that way. When people say his fighting style is something out of a comic it's just that. His abilities look goofy and he fights in a goofy manner it doesn't mean he has toon force it's all his new abilities to make things rubber which if you take it to the extreme makes things look funny. No one said toons have to be nigh omnipotent to have toon force but when it's clearly explained that it's just his awakening rubber powers that allow him to do what he's doing and you still say it's legit toon force then yes I do know more than you
@@oner64 Explain how could luffy catch lightning and shot it towards kaido , and how can he make the earth reflectable and made of rubber , bro luffy got some non sense power is clear an out of hands power , .
@@remains10 They sad for doing it and his weird. I respect getting the bag but at this point dude just seems like he begging or scamming people. Bro not even trying and that's sad to me. Considering how much effort and shit he use to put in. Without asking for $20
@@KonradCurves you know to some his opinions are taken as the truth and fact in the debating community so if he doesn’t ask for money he is going to be saying who wins all these fights and then have the risks of mfs using it against him to trash talk
@@tsukiyami7101 no, what I meant is that Luffy would be unaffected. Also Pokémon can scale higher than planetary so Luffy does get bullied by strong water types
Smart people will avoid talking about one piece because the hype is real , zoro being the most hyped character saying he would lose a fight against someone will make op kids goes 😡
NoNe Of tHe VeRsE cAn sWiM 😂. Clearly not a single person here knows a thing about One Piece. How can water affect Shanks or Rayleigh 😂. Not everyone has a DF
I’ll admit the hype of 1044 was immense and the scan translations were a bit misleading at first so I understand people going overboard initially. I’m pretty so the chapter came out a week or so after the Popeye death battle so you just know people were theorising craziness 😂. Even though it was controversial I think the transformation was quintessential OP and fits perfectly with its absurd world.
bro how is saying the power to turn imagination into reality misleading? it seems obvious if your not in denial. Oda told us his powers in road to laughtale. its not a debate you ppl just wont except it no matter how much evidence there is.
@@muhammedibrahim8393 that’s the thing, I’ve seen both series so it’s not bias😅 Kaido be shooting them giant ass blast breaths is all I’m tryna point out
@@muhammedibrahim8393 I mean it’s definitely debatable at this point, like he was just shitting on one piece when there’s more to it then he makes it seem
dragon ball is the most over hyped thing to ever exist to most people goku can bounce across the universe back and forth in seconds and shit and do all these amazing things then when i watch the show he don't even do a penny worth of what the fan base says he can do i say luffy can be overhyped and leave it
@@idw3607 "many" ? Name them then. And when we say Solo, it's akin to how Madara or Aizen solo'd whole armies of top tiers. Go on and name "many" characters from Naruto who can "solo" all of One Piece.
ofc people say that...as soon as a character gets a new power up its always "THIS CHARACTER SOLOS YOUR VERSE NOW!" smh..
How strong do you think part 8 josuke is?
@@courtneylankford7627 he doesn’t rival the top tiers of the verse, but he’s got some decent hax
They've been doing it since gear 4 especially snake man
@@soka6732 pretty sure an attack that defy logic and calamity is op
@@courtneylankford7627 Immeasurable Speed + Outerversal AP 😎😎😎
me and six are cool its jus banter
That's cool and all but when you going to upload the 2k Leebo Itachi video 🙃
this isn’t even seth tho?
@@boss_man6939
He talking about the highlights guy not actually seth
“Who’s you’re waifu”
Six: “Drake”
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Toon Force Luffy is definitely overrated, I don't read One Piece but from what Ive seen how bro got Toon Force and STILL losing to Kaido??? Mfs also say he beats Goku 💀💀💀 he ain't even beating Naruto or Ichigo
He ain’t even beating Kid goku lmao💀💀💀
@@kameronmiller2226 shi goku now cant beat kid goku he had toon force back than
That's debatable because the One piece world is THEORIZED to be 1776x bigger than our world meaning that any island to continental scaling COULD BE wanked to moon or large planetary
@@CJ-D-GOAT just pulled that out your ass
@@CJ-D-GOAT just cuz the world is bigger doesnt mean all the feats scale to it.
Luffy got a little buff, so what. He still isn't dominating his own universe. Like let's be real folks, he's still the weakest mc of the big 3
I see no lies
Which means that he is always struggling to fight against srronger people making it more satisfying when he wins
but has the best anime of the big three ngl
It's called balancing and great writing lol... and it makes sense that someone who's been a yonko for decades is not going to be simply overpowered by a new upgrade the MC hasn't even mastered yet. Yonko don't keep their position for that long for nothing, they've actually been battle tested and can handle whatever is thrown at them even if they've never heard of or seen it before.
He’s straight up doggin naruto and giving ichigo a run for his money stop the downplay
9:57 for the title, 14:00 for the actual Highlight, and 12:50 for context.
Thank you
And I was just about to ask for the time stamp hero
God bless u
I watched the 14:00 without context and it's good enough
One Piece fans gassing up Luffy like he doesn’t get clapped by water. My level 10 Squirtle solo’s 😤
Go read the series before making yourself look like an idiot.
I mean luffy only dies if he gets completely submerged by still water, i know you're joking, but there are people that think luffy deadass would get clapped by an water gun
@@marlonfarias. Yeah you’re right, I just like messing around with One Piece fans, but in all seriousness if anyone actually thinks that’s they’re stupid.
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@@marlonfarias. all Narutos gotta do is hold him and kisame comes and do his water prison or Kakashi hell Narutos could do it
I feel like people fail at trying to scale one piece characters
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nobody cares about scaling them except one piece fans
@@princecheck11 uh, duh dude. Why would someone with zero interest in one piece scale their characters? If you’re not a fan, I assume you haven’t read the story- so if you’re not a fan and we can assume you haven’t read the story- how would you scale the characters to begin with ?
@@Ebola-Kun who da hell is scaling one piece that hasnt watched one piece what you even talking about
@@princecheck11 yeah dude that’s what I’m saying to you. It’s called sarcasm.
bro imagine making a highlight video and having said highlight only be less than 1 min of 17, they talked more about Drakes dong than Luffy.
That’s fax. Bro is still losing in the Manga Lmao.💀💀💀
It’s tied rn clearly u don’t read the manga he’s not losing ?? Tf 😂😂💀
@@GojoKiller16th I’ve read one piece bro.Luffy is gonna lose, and than say, “I’m going to be King of the Pirates”and then win. He’s going to get folded by kaidos new form again.
@@kameronmiller2226 hmm debatable i could see him lose but don’t think he will I feel like luffy still got something up his sleeve it’s called sun god for a reason he deffo obviously has more tricks that he himself Dk about but remember the lanterns are going up the sky it might trigger something for him as the lanterns rappresenting the “sun”
@@kameronmiller2226 def headcannon from you the fight not even over
@@kameronmiller2226 Awks…
This is my response to someone who thought luffy wins lol.
-Luffy doesn’t have dura neg against Naruto. The way to counter luffys rubber negation is haki. He molds around the attack but still takes damage. Haki is weaponizing your spiritual energy as stated by Rayleigh a.k.a “will.” Chakra is the mixture of “spiritual energy” and physical energy to mold chakra, the power system for Naruto. Two different power systems used in two different ways but can interact with each other because they are made of the same component, chakra being superior since it also has the physical energy component. I’m Naruto case also nature energy which we’ll get to later. So naruto using chakra based attacks would negate luffys nullification effects meaning luffy will take damage. Also shown when Naruto uses chakra to pop a rubber ball or when the 3rd raikage chopped a rubber ball in half with weaponized chakra. Naruto also has nature energy which when used negates truthseeking that are made of every element and change in chakra nature, including yin and Yang so that means light to. So y’all logia argument is out the picture too.
- he can see into the future but it’s a slight glimpse, and he’s been shown to still be able to get hit even with said “future sight.” He’s been getting hit this whole time when kaido hasn’t even been using his future sight. So superior speed or tactics can clearly still tag luffy. He needs to be calm while using it which is why he couldn’t when he got one shot by kaido earlier in wano and explained by katakuri. Naruto is known to be an unpredictable fighter, being able to use up to 2000 clones of himself all slightly weaker then the original because of they were divided power he wouldn’t be able to match madara limbo clones. And solo the whole war basically. His clones can even make clones. So luffy with plenty of pressure applied with crazy tactics and techniques he couldn’t comprehend cause he wouldn’t know what is happening opposed to Naruto that just needs to know he’s rubber? Naruto fight character with 360 vision, precognition with the sharingan, merged with literal nature itself, 6 people sharing vision at once, and plenty more examples. He himself can sense thousands of peoples life force and energy countries away while running to the battle field, can sense everything in nature itself, can sense intent and emotions without any requirements. So him having future sight isn’t really going to have any relevance. Especially when I’m able to debunk ya little speed claim that nobody seems to realize the flaws.
- he isn’t as fast as y’all think. Every speed feat you guys bring up is inconsistent with mostly everything with the story. The first is him dodging the pacifista lasers. Rayleigh said with observation you can perceive light, so him staring at the pacifista aiming and charging the laser can clearly aim dodge the thing😂. The foxy situation is an outlier and not consistent at all with majority of what luffy has shown and The story. If luffy was casually mftl at that point in the series in base then character like ussop and chopper are mftl which is not at all consistent with the feats they show. A statement in a SBS states post time skip ussop scales to pre time skip Zoro and that was fishman island arc ussop. And kizaru wouldn’t be a factor or even impressive then which the story hypes him for being top speed in the verse until shown. If base pre time luffy is casually faster then light then kizaru without using his logia ability should be way above the speed that his fruit provides him basically making it only useful for shooting lasers. Since him being light doesn’t add any value to his speed cause he’s already faster, he just becomes light, it isn’t an addition. Even using the kuma thing in thriller bark doesn’t work. Cause if Zoro while fatigued is cart wheeling through attacks that “can move at the speed of light,” but not always doing so since we also know kuma was on their side anyways so we don’t even know if he was propelling them at max speed. That’s like saying Naruto is mftl just cause he dodged hakus ice mirrors as a kid in the first arc of the series. Because stated in a guide book that hakus mirrors can reflect at the speed of light. But the can is important because we know haku didn’t want to kill Naruto and probably want going full speed but can! But if we’re giving the kuma feat then the same applies to Naruto since you can’t actually disprove haku wasn’t going full speed but more the less implying cause it would be inconsistent with the rest of the series like I said for one piece. Luffy for sure it ftl now but not to the degree y’all think and I’m still pin pointing it exact but for now I’ll say it’s relative to Naruto’s since he has actually consistent speed of light scaling. Off rips the one 2-3 examples I need are these. The 4th raikage in his full power lariat is stated to move like light. Naruto blitzed him when he was moving full speed 1 inch from his nose. That was basic kcm, then he get kcm 2 and don’t forget this is large amounts of chakra amps cause chakra directly amps speed, strength, and durability in the Naruto verse as shown when Naruto gets more kyuubi chakra he clearly gets stronger and faster. Even madara while toying around and getting jumped dodged and finesses the 4th raikage going full speed with the light weight boulder justu amping his speed most likely over 10 times since with the same justu he was able to lighten a meteor that scales way bigger then anything fujitora dropped with help from gaara of course. And Naruto in kcm 2 actually clashes with madara making him try harder then the mage even did. Then he gets sage mode on top of that and god amps that give him 2-3 times more then the 10
Tails that’s makes the 9 tails chakra reserves look like a puddle. That same 9 tails making Naruto already faster then light. So clearly Naruto in terms of speed is either faster then luffy consistently, or with wank and benefit of doubt relative which shows the future sight argument won’t work when luffy has 2000 equally as fast people jumping him. But that’s speed, the power difference is immense lmao, but next point.
- ryou isn’t doing anything because luffy is making contact with the chakra cloak surrounding Naruto which is thick and shown to actually protect Naruto. He gave around 10,000 shinobi 3 times the chakra of kakashi to tank the 10 tails cataclysm which nuked the whole continent… which by the way was the 10 tails literally just yelling 😂. Plus Naruto as a kid healed his whole liver being ripped out by a chidori in seconds with just baby slithers of 9 tails chakra. With access to the full thing his regeneration is insane, so not only can luffy not actually use his internal damage correctly but it wouldn’t actually effect someone as durable as Naruto. More example is the fact he stopped gai from dying and can even create new eyes, so that whole luffy drinking milk and regrowing a tooth seems pretty ass. His being a giant didn’t even make him the size of the 10 tails which Naruto fought lol, he fights giant flying Susanno and literally has a avatar mode slight smaller packing a lot more power. Naruto in reverse can also hit luffy without touching him by weaponizing the nature energy around him “frog kumite.”
- so final points, the 10 tails in its first form had chakra comparable to the size of the moon or planet I forgot which one. Then it transformed and got stronger. Madara who scales to the 10 tails since while blind he can dick on all the bijju, absorbs the 10
Tails and gets rinnegan amps on top of that. So we’re talking 2x times planetary levels of chakra. Then Naruto in base almost one shot killed that madara. Then stack the 9 tails, 10 times book release amp, and the fact he got another half of the 9 tails after the sasuke fight he has enough AP to actually destroy a planet. Hitting luffy with that will kill him. He also has slashing attack with claws made of chakra which is luffys weakness. He fought multiple god tiers for 2 days and nights with no food or little time for rest. Luffy already died and lost 3 times with help form like 14 other people while his enemy is holding an island. And luffy still hasn’t won yet! Kaido doesn’t even scale to Naruto so how is luffy?
Thank you for this essay
Goku solos
I didn't even have to read all of that. All I read was the last sentence.
And that's a perfect point I'm throwing around.
IF KAIDO FUCKIN LUFFY UP. HOW IS LUFFY ON NARUTO'S LEVEL
tf thats so good explained
Nobody read this but fax
Popeye would slap Luffy and turns him into coins
He'd slap pretty much every mainstream mc. 🤣
Same with naruto and goku😂
@@SamRamlogan Popeye can even survive being hakaied by Zeno since Popeye is resistend to erasure
@@Fantaman058 facts
Popeye wouldn't even need to eat spinach to beat Luffy
Ayy that was funny af I gotta start tuning into the streams
it’s obviously not Toon force because if they gave him that what would be the point of fights in op anymore . He would literally shit on everyone and he would easily get the one piece treasure 😂
@Average Giga Chad "Similar to Reality Warping, only that it is based usually on what's comedic. It is the ability to replace or apply absurd laws to the universe; the user gains the ability to re-write the laws of physics in their universe to their convenience and is allowed to overwrite them with far more ridiculous ones in service of hilarity.", That's exactly what Toon Force is lmao
"Country level toon force"
@Average Giga Chad yeah he hasn't lol, the most obvious case is homie gets touched by seawater and becomes a wet piece of paper bro. He is not using too force, man's gets bodied so hard by kizaru or smoker he had to be saved by Dragon or Kuma. Even in the marineford and impel down arcs we see him getting whooped beyond comparison. What Manga are you reading lol
@Average Giga Chad What proof do you have that he has toon force, I want statements and feats.
@Average Giga Chad thats literally luffy’s ability and what awakening has been shown to be able to do. Turns the environment around him to rubber. Why wouldn’t the drawing style change if the landscape is rubbery? Oda being consistent to his power system is not an indication that he gave luffy toon force.
13:23
This whole conversation holy shit
I've said it before and I'll say it again it ain't toon force it's just awakening but people are acting like he's Popeye 2.0
Then explain eyes popping out. Leaving a fire trail by running on air, literally giving you stars and birds around your head by getting punched, turning completely crisp black by getting burnt and simply shaking it all of like it's nothing...granted ONE PIECE has always been quite wacky but it has never been this cartoony. Anyone that's read the series will tell you this is completely different than your usual fights. Most of the things you see in this fight is literally taken from cartoons like Tom and Jerry or Road runner.
@@pikachu3b366m "his eyes pop out hes multiversal"
@@beowulf4786 right like what 💀
@@pikachu3b366m bro they had eyes popping out as a joke since skypia
@@pikachu3b366m crazy how Naruto still solos the verse
Sixes chibi slav squatting avatar is absolutely perfect LOL!
The drake shit got me weak ☠️
I have a question. How would you guys rank Kakuzu, Deidara, and Sasori? This isn't a Kakuzu joke or anything. IMO it's Sasori > Deidara >=< Kakuzu. The reason is because Kakuzu was defeated by base Naruto, the same Naruto who that that he's still inferior to BoS Sasuke before absorbing Orochimaru. And Sasuke post Orochimaru beat Deidara, and Deidara is weaker than Sasori. What are you guys' opinion? The reason I put Kakuzu and Deidara together is because Kakuzu can defuse Deidara's bombs using lighting style
They already ranked the akatsuki
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you gonna have to pay for that answer my boy
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@@interxeption nah 💀💀💀 they making bank
Def over hyped, even as he achieved the power up, the fight against kaido didn't change to much.
Like how it's supposed to be. Goku gets new hair and suddenly already mastered the ability. It's bad writing but I guess that doesn't matter as long as it looks cool right? You can't compare a character that's been balanced to a character that's overpowered simply because the author didn't put any thought into the powerscaling system. If one character can destroy the planet with a single beam then wouldn't said planet be in danger every time guys of similar level fight on it? Nothing but except a few buildings and landscape gets destroyed in DB and yet in One piece when characters that level fight seriously the whole Islands climate changes. Hell and fight between Luffy and doflamingo almost wiped out an entire country and yet earth is still intact every time freeza and Goku or whatever villain fights. How does that make sense? If they're "planet level" then whatever planet they're fighting should be a wasteland every time they fight.
Well, i mean he won the fight
dude what kind of shit writing would it be if he just stomped kaido after almost dying? lmfao. mastering his power with no training? lmfao
Goku has better toon force feats than Luffy & Saitama. Goku destroyed a MANGA PANEL! Plus in DBS Goku can cut off the narrator mid introduction
what did Saitama do? get hurt by a house cat? struggle to kill a bug?
plus Goku > Suppressed Beerus who is immune to toon force (Dr Slump crossover)
Saitama isn’t a toon character tho…
So does that also means Mr. Satan is now planet level since he took hits from both Kid Buu and Perfect Cell? Taking gag moments seriously as a way to present feats and scale how strong they are is such a pathetic arguement.
You saying Saitama got hurt by a cat but goku got hurt by a rock and shot by a laser. Goku doesn't have toon force. Goku still wins but he don't have toon force
@@tmakster7748 Did I say Goku has toon force? I don't think you understand my point. Goku has an actual toon force feat, breaking the manga panel. Saitama has 0 toon force feats.
dude theres a difference between having a toon power and a gag in a show or manga. goku already beats luffy anyway the dude broke time against hit and reality can be distorted in SSJ3. i havent seen a single OP fan saying anything close to luffy is unbeatable but you all just assume we mean that by saying he has toonforce. lmfao
god dam I love one piece but man is it easy to roast 💀
Seth talk about OP more, I love the takes
OVERHYPING LUFFY IS LIKE OVERHYPING ANTMAN WITHOUT THE BRAIN?
If six had to choose between the 200k or the head it’s no question
What happened to Clyde?
Popeye still solos “Toon Force” Luffy
Name me one character Popeye doesn’t solo.
@@maxspecs toaa
@@maxspecs cosmic armor Superman.
Gumball Watterson is already more than enough! Popeye is overkill!
lol ok? OP fan here we dont care if luffys the strongest just quit lying about powers in OP that have been proven. ppl still saying G5 just lets him manipulate rubber. lmfao
People are so weird at powerscaling and when a person gets a power up…luffy is strong in op but not everywhere else…just to use the 4 everybody know…from statements and feats even if they seem scale down later in the series not nerfed 1.Dbs 2.Bleach 3.Naruto but Some characters can fight on them levels but not enough to matter to a whole verse and 4. Is one piece because we’ve seen crazy things like whitebeard and other but Dbs and Bleach have statements that we know is easily past planet level started many times especially universal in dragon ball
why do people ask them questions about a series they don’t read or scale? it’s like they go in with the hopes of Seth and Six blindly backing Naruto
%100
Were they wrong? No one in piece has the ap or speed to contend with the top naruto characters. And before y8u mention lights peed people were faster than light speed in part one of naruto
@@Idontknownw lmfao OP characters have way way way higher speed feats than naruto its not even close. way higher durability and raw strength as well. lmfao. no ppl werent faster than lightspeed in part 1. lmfao
Homie out here on some crackhead pls donate energy
Can't wait for him to catch up so he can go more in depth about it
I know theyre mostly joking around but saying kisame solos the one piece verse is crazy... Jimbei puts that nigga in a hydroflask.
Even Hody Jones would kill Kisame.
@@mistercontroversial No
@@zonnodon163 Yes. Easily.
Bruh Jimbei can't summon water, Kisame does. That's the point.
@@AnketR Actually, that isn’t entirely true.
1) Whenever a fishman uses Water Shot (which for certain fishmen has a destructive power far greater than anything Kisame has shown), they produce water from seemingly nowhere. Furthermore, Fishman Karate allows fishmen to manipulate the water inside of your body for internal damage. Kisame summoning water isn’t doing ANYTHING to anyone that is even a little strong. Not to mention things like getting blitzed, getting out haxed, getting frozen, seriously Aokiji one shots, getting boiled alive, etc. Anyone Hody Jones level and up is bodying Kisame easily.
9:00 I want to know who they put, I’m dying from the curiosity lol
why did you delete vid
Let’s be honest here, just call him what it is: Ssj Luffy
You don't watch ONE PIECE do you?
@@pikachu3b366m fanboy
@@muhammedibrahim8393 I've at least read all the series unlike you ppl that has only watch DBZ or Naruto and think you know everything about all the other series.
Why don't you ppl first go read the damn series before commenting dumb shit like these.
G5 or any of Luffy's transformations is nothing like Ssj. The moment you compare his transformations to ssj you've lost all argument. It's like comparing chicken to a tofu. Completely different things.
@@pikachu3b366m who told you that i didnt read or watched one piece because i am currently reading it and hair colour change is just straight uo from dragonball stop being a fanboy
@@muhammedibrahim8393 g5 hair is white
Op fangays: luffy can turn everything into rubber he could turn imagination to realit-
Doflamingo fanchad: does that mean...
so they talked about for a few secs and that's the video
To correct the person who made a donation saying its only sea water that weakens devil fruit users in an sbs a fan asked oda what type of water weakens devil fruit users and oda said all types of water do devil fruits users only need to be submerge in a large body of water and not only that they somewhat lose strength if the water reaches up to their knees of course the amount of strength they lose in this situation is so minuscule that it won't be that noticeable
kid moron, sea prism exists because its the only weaknesses, sea water. Braindead moron
btw saitama > goku
saiyans have limits 1-99, (gay versions too)
saitama = broke his limiter, limitless power similar to superman
saitama > superman > goku
@@hallucy2215 sea water and sea prism are not the only weaknesses for devil fruits
@@hallucy2215 never talked about Saitama vs goku
@@hallucy2215 Obvious bait
Dam bro don't wanna see sethnclyde highlights go..... u gonna agree to Seth's agreement?
Luffy doesn't have toon force anyone that says he does doesn't understand his new abilities
And you do?
Luffy's been more impressive literally every chapter. Sure his Toon Force abilities aren't as crazy as let's say Bugs Bunny but it is still a very low level of toon force.
Literally running so fast in the air that you leave a fire trails, being burnt to crisp and then immediately back to normal by simply shaking it off, Punch ppl so hard that they literally have stars and Birds around their head, eyes popping out just in the presence of Luffy's G5. Even character in the series themselves pointing out that this feels like something straight out of a children's comic book.
Not all toon force users need to be multi universal level breaking the fourth wall smacking your own creators. There are variations of toon force. Just because most toon force characters happens to be completely out of hand doesn't mean all of these characters need to be that.
@@pikachu3b366m none of what you said is an example of toon when it's just his rubber abilities taken to the extreme.
How many times has birds/stars/whatever been floating around people's heads in one piece or any other shonen manga it's not something unique to Luffys gear 5.
His eyes popping out again rubber abilities taken to the extreme, him running on air is literally explained back in the battle against cp9 to just be multiple super fast steps/kicks on the air to make it look that way.
When people say his fighting style is something out of a comic it's just that. His abilities look goofy and he fights in a goofy manner it doesn't mean he has toon force it's all his new abilities to make things rubber which if you take it to the extreme makes things look funny.
No one said toons have to be nigh omnipotent to have toon force but when it's clearly explained that it's just his awakening rubber powers that allow him to do what he's doing and you still say it's legit toon force then yes I do know more than you
@@pikachu3b366m according to your logic Sanji has Toon force😭
@@oner64
Explain how could luffy catch lightning and shot it towards kaido , and how can he make the earth reflectable and made of rubber , bro luffy got some non sense power is clear an out of hands power , .
@@Picmanreborn
Sanji has ass force , sanji has improved gens but nothing else , he can’t turn earth to asses
Honestly I’d take drake’s offer
9:30 took me out 💀
Nahhh and the drake part was mad fuy
14:06 I crying bro XD
why is he talking about something he hasnt read
seth gotta be trolling.. ain't no way he dont know who drake is. let alone any famous black rapper? kinda strange imo..
I used to like this channel but these videos are a waste of time. Now it’s just biased and a joke. Not even real talk.
Real Toonforce is something like Arale, Bugs bunny and Popeye.
This is why they need to get caught up on one piece, so many inaccurate misunderstandings here.
Six is tho😭and they still won’t change there mind 🤣
@@x-immortalkill-x5596 Six isn’t caught up. He isn’t even done with Alabasta. He literally said it on stream.
Mostly trolling
Their not caught up on one piece saying this 😭? some people should lose the right to talk about one piece
They can swim unless they eat a devil fruit then they can’t swim
Dnd can be heat
Its one piece, those guys always overhype anything that happens in that shit
That a wise phrase
Bruh so hungry for money now. It's actually hard to watch these streams. Just cringe watching them ask for money for everything
Lol
Nah bro you gotta respect it he making his bag off of kids who are willing to pay for daddy seth’s thoughts
@@remains10 They sad for doing it and his weird. I respect getting the bag but at this point dude just seems like he begging or scamming people. Bro not even trying and that's sad to me. Considering how much effort and shit he use to put in. Without asking for $20
@@KonradCurves you know to some his opinions are taken as the truth and fact in the debating community so if he doesn’t ask for money he is going to be saying who wins all these fights and then have the risks of mfs using it against him to trash talk
Luffy gets bodied by a level one magikarp using splash 😹😹😹😹😹
Splash literally is jump/hop in the actual translations.
@@weskintime4177 let's not even mention of Squirtle or Blastoise.gear 5 luffy gets Bodied by a water gunning 😹😹😹😹 JK
@@tsukiyami7101 no, what I meant is that Luffy would be unaffected. Also Pokémon can scale higher than planetary so Luffy does get bullied by strong water types
six sus af lmao
Six dont pay attention but troy a real one for remembering a goat🥹
Please stop talking to them about one piece😂 I love the series more than anything but I don’t think they’re one piece type of guys
Lol
Smart people will avoid talking about one piece because the hype is real , zoro being the most hyped character saying he would lose a fight against someone will make op kids goes 😡
@@everythingsfine1395 🤓
What half of one piece the community can't accept is that luffy doesn't have true toon force like buzz bunny toon force or SpongeBob toon force
NoNe Of tHe VeRsE cAn sWiM 😂. Clearly not a single person here knows a thing about One Piece. How can water affect Shanks or Rayleigh 😂. Not everyone has a DF
BRUH WHAT IS UP W SIX AND DRAKE YO
Six is SUS AS HELLLLLL😂😂😂
Goku < Luffy < Eren (in terms of strength obviously)
Tf ??? Goku is literally the strongest here
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Got it backwards
Six gay bro said and u get the nut from drake lmao wtff he projectin bro came up w a whole fantasy story
He finally solos demon slayer tho
Wym "finally" he's been able to solo demon slayer💀
@@RareTheSage nah muzan wouldve just regen before but luffy could beat him now
@@immortalthumbz Luffy can literally just trap muzan with his arms and make him take the sun, muzan isn't even strong
@@RareTheSage muzan can shape shift also lol i know what im talkin about when i say only in gear5 luffy can solo demon slayer
@@immortalthumbz how about this, Luffy can't solos demon slayer but no one in demon slayer can't beat Luffy, deal?
3:16 he ain’t racist google is
luffy isnt even toon force dont even call him that lmao
I’ll admit the hype of 1044 was immense and the scan translations were a bit misleading at first so I understand people going overboard initially.
I’m pretty so the chapter came out a week or so after the Popeye death battle so you just know people were theorising craziness 😂.
Even though it was controversial I think the transformation was quintessential OP and fits perfectly with its absurd world.
bro how is saying the power to turn imagination into reality misleading? it seems obvious if your not in denial. Oda told us his powers in road to laughtale. its not a debate you ppl just wont except it no matter how much evidence there is.
No bullshit Popeye can solo the dragon ball verse One piece even wit Gear 5 Nikka and etc
Seth we get it you love Naruto but you hate Bleach and One piece
I doubt one piece even scales to naruto in pretty much anyway
I said it once and I’ll say it again Aqua solos luffy
Aqua from kingdom hearts?
I’m pretty sure Luffy ain’t going down from a Bijuu bomb, if you really wanna scale it then I think you gotta have seen it 😂
kcm1 naruto is trashing luffy you gotta be biased to say otherwise
@@muhammedibrahim8393 that’s the thing, I’ve seen both series so it’s not bias😅 Kaido be shooting them giant ass blast breaths is all I’m tryna point out
@@afrothunder1082 if you think that kaido or luffy are winning against kcm1 naruto then you are hopeless and yes I’ve seen one piece
@@muhammedibrahim8393 I mean it’s definitely debatable at this point, like he was just shitting on one piece when there’s more to it then he makes it seem
Moon level Bijuu bomb vs with highball continental fist
Yea no luffy gets evaporated
I died XD
LMAO
Okay but who cares…
Clearly you
dragon ball is the most over hyped thing to ever exist to most people goku can bounce across the universe back and forth in seconds and shit and do all these amazing things then when i watch the show he don't even do a penny worth of what the fan base says he can do i say luffy can be overhyped and leave it
The box search was funny
lmao that's why I lest six's server, they was wack ass hell there
“Water jutsu solo” “no one in one piece can swim” typical narutards 😂
Fr
Many naruto characters solo not with water style
@@idw3607 "many" ? Name them then. And when we say Solo, it's akin to how Madara or Aizen solo'd whole armies of top tiers.
Go on and name "many" characters from Naruto who can "solo" all of One Piece.
@@idw3607 yes iruka solos the verse 👍
@@desmo2561 true
Deku solos midffy