I get your point, and comparing two or more news stories from a year or more apart can seem to affect air of logical dissonance from Vice, but surely it's more complicated than that and an analysis of the issues forces us to accept it's not as black and white as your comment makes it seem - regardless of how it's covered in the media.
It boggles my mind we made the same literal mistake as the Soviet Union, a comparable force in the world at the time against a poor country. Where was the world affairs specialist in our government the day we decided that!? He must have been like the guy at the Canadian desk in Canadian Bacon.
Well the Taliban have accomplished an actual insurrection in Afghanistan. See the difference between what the Taliban have done and Jan 6 in the US capital?
Now our men and children have to fight, kill, and die for their nation AGAIN, for them. Glass the whole middle east and be done with it. 20 years. Meh. We tried, break out the thermo-nukes
@@alexpeterson5809 unarmed americans... they said 1/6 was worse than 9-11 lmao also said O'Biden got 81 million votes... more than anyone in USA history
@@GarrettFischer1 I know right, walked in and didn't even shoot. That shows their kind of mentality, the majority of the population does not care about the taliban. Not to talk about ANA, completely useless.
@gregor samsa 2021 American school systems are too busy teaching about river meanders and Constantinople to talk about American war crimes in the middle east.
Why is that crazy? This is an eternal fight. It'll never end. It's only a matter of time until we're attacked again. The war against Islamic jihadists never truly ends. They believe and understand that. When will we?
@@sbman436 "Why is that crazy? This is an eternal fight. It'll never end. It's only a matter of time until we're attacked again." Actually the Taliban never did any terrorist attack on US soil before the war or during the 21 years of war. They not even threatened the US to do so....The Taliban just defend their country.
I was one of the troops assigned to Train, Advise, Assist. We have given them more resources and training then you can imagine. The issue is corruption. We gifted them several aircraft to transport personnel, conduct air drops as well as air strikes. Within a couple months of gifting them these air craft I was conducting an investigation on an Afghan Lieutenant Colonel who was smuggling people and drugs into the city for money.
The security adviser looks like he’s more worried about getting suits and sunglasses than national security. Is what that U.S. Dollar will get you. Gravy train is over
Now taliban took over and now Afghanistan will be a breeding ground for terrorist bases plus the taliban stole millions of tanks cars weapons and bombs that Biden told them to leave. Sounds like Syria.
You might be right NINJA but this is the 21st century and powerful weapons excist. If you leave a nation that has the probablity of having access to powerful weapons along with potential leaders like ISIS than its no longer a one country problem but a world problem. Think of the suicidal nuts that kill inocent people in the US as an example that their logic is to take as many people as possible. Thats why you can't just ignore things any more.....
@@levibrown9136 Lmao are you kidding? The Taliban has basically taken control of the country in weeks after the US left and you’re saying the war was about oil? They LITERALLY have taken control of the country right now just after the US left and you’re saying it was about oil?
@Sakin Maharjan | if you stand in *Delhi airport* (India), at around noon, you will see an Air India plane from Kabul landing everyday with just *amputee & injured* Most of them need prosthetic or more amputations. *Around 400 each day, arrive, and equal number leave.*
@@thienngo7252 , I am not necessarily a Taliban supporter, but you have to understand in war, there is normally never a good or a bad side, only different opinions and perspectives.
@@mictianfollower2644 Afghan soldiers have been doing well over 90% of the fighting since 2016. At worst it's going to be like pre-9/11 in which the Taliban control a large chunk but so the government. Geography alone makes it almost impossible for either the Taliban or the government to have full control.
@Jamal Aden true so true the government bombs schools,hospitals, etc and blame it on Taliban lol when if u watch how they operate they literally pull up google maps or maps and if there are homes in the place they want to attack then they dont do it such corrupt governmet
At some point, soon China will take control and apply there methods with those applied to the Uighurs - methods that are now being improved. Labor and re-education camps, in which the UN will enter with a permit and will praise the wonderful conditions created for the people. Afghanistan will learn to work, to obey, and the Taliban will have the opportunity to leave Allah in the background and worship in all their places of worship to King XI
I've read this on another comment section and it really left a impression on me, it was aparently said by a Soviet commander regarding the Soviet Afghan war: "How do you defeat an enemy who looks into the barrel of a gun and sees paradise?"
By pulling the trigger and sending him to hell Soviets killed 1million Tribal pakhtuns and 1 million Other minorities total 2 million people killed by the Soveits rulled Afghanistan for Years built there building there they left because of ecnomical reasons only so dont be fooled mister.
For 20 years, Afghan had the help of the US. And within a matter of a year and a half that had all changed. The support they thought they had, left. That’s what they weren’t prepared for. -_-
With the Taliban and Al Qaeda still in existence, operating in large swathes of Afghanistan, and still in possession of very great military firepower, they are very much a threat to the Afghan democratic government. The US withdrawal from Afghanistan should ONLY have occurred once these two forces have been thoroughly and completely beaten and removed from such power to ever be a threat to America and the Afghan democratic government again.
@@huydang5955 I mean it’s been twenty years whatever we’re doing is obviously not working. And we have enough problems as is here in our own country, I’m not sure what some guys in the mountain in Afghanistan are going to do to us.
@@luantunez8975 oh im sorry what country that we most likely liberated for you are you from? How long has it been since crying for american help? Dont worry EVERYBODY INCLUDING FRANCE AND ENGLAND do it so dont be ashamed to be reliant on us like the rest of the planet
The Taliban played this to perfection, they got everything they wanted, and they didn't even have to fight for it, America literally handed the country to them on the back of a promise LUL
How is 110,000 dead, decades of landmine problems, collapsed infrastructure, fragmented political system and a GDP smaller than Gamestop "playing it to perfection?"
@@lubu4u312 no president means more territory controlled by the taliban, the more taliban in control the more private contracts and funding given out by the government to fight a proxy war.
I am an American defector. This is a video of me in front of the North Korean Embassy on March 8, 2021, International Women's Day. th-cam.com/video/R-zVl-V2zGc/w-d-xo.html Its time for the tyranny of the United States to end... .It's time for the USA to implode. Internationally, the most violent country today is the United States of America. The only hope for this evil empire, it that the peace movement in the United States blossom and thrive. th-cam.com/video/R-zVl-V2zGc/w-d-xo.html #moscowbeckons #timesup #northkorea
@@richardcervantes30 "usa did their part" what part exactly? you destroyed their country, and left the civilian people at the mercy of an extremist group that the usa CREATED, FUNDED ARMED and LOST CONTROL OF time and time again. Blood is on american hands dont get that twisted.
Yeah check out the dates of those pieces. Vice was bought out years ago by a media conglomerate. That's probably why they don't mention that half the boots on the ground are defense contractors, when the US Army leaves we still have tens of thousands of soldiers on the ground.
The news really should make up their mind about their decisions. Stay or leave, not both. Even though personally I think that there will be civil in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 when all US 🇺🇸 soldiers get out of the country. But we'll wait and see.
"We can convince Taliban for a democracy." -National Security Adviser Forget about democracy let's hope people of Afghanistan get their basic Human Rights. God bless them.
As Northern Alliance forces recaptured territory in the north, they reportedly carried out abuses against Pashtun communities who they believed had benefited from or collaborated with Taliban rule at the expense of other ethnic communities. …As areas of northern Afghanistan came under Northern Alliance control, some Northern Alliance forces attacked local Pashtuns, beating men, raping women, and abducting civilians for ransom, according to human rights groups. the Afghans could of had basic human rights without the invasion of the USA with the help of the northern alliance and the Afghan army committing war crimes and starting wars
David Beasley of the World Food Programme said Thursday that “the world’s worst humanitarian crisis is unfolding” in Afghanistan, where more than 22 million people could be at risk of starvation. Even with the possibility of 22 million people at risk of starvation, America has opted to make the situation worse by preventing the Taliban from having access to the Afghan central bank’s assets that are currently frozen in the United States. The Taliban does not have access to the Afghan central bank’s billions of dollars in reserves, the bulk of which have been frozen in the US. How can you claim to be concerned about a country’s wellbeing when you have systematically ravaged the country through military intervention and are now, in a sense, sanctioning said country by holding their assets hostage? Is this western human rights in full display? In the midst of all this, the troika seem to have much more superficial concerns in mind as per their joint statement.
At this point, the idea that these nations have a genuine humanitarian concern for Afghanistan is moot. Instead of tackling the potential loss of life as a primary concern these countries would rather leave the lives of the same women and children they are trying to liberalize in limbo and let them starve.
That’s kind of the problem isn’t it? It’s problematic to look at Afghanistan the same way we look at a western nation. It’s foolish to assume that afghanis see themselves as citizens of Afghanistan. Instead, it’s much more complex. They more likely would identify with whatever tribe or clan they were born into. Some would identify more with their Pakistani heritage even. We can’t just give them money like we would Germany for instance. Where we can have some faith that theyl use it to better Germany. When you give a bunch of money to Afghanistan. Whoever gets it is just going to use it for his clan. Or try to undermine some rival clan. They just don’t think about things like we do in the US.
hmmm? IDK Are warlords, rapists, thugs, and their western imperial masters the people we should pray for or fund? If these Western pseudo-activists don’t like the Taliban, surely they could have done better than to actively support and protest for warlord mercenaries that commit war crimes on the Afghan population. Sadly, a large part of this movement included many Muslims - Afghan Muslims in particular. These individuals were, at best, ill-informed Muslims who believed that the Northern Alliance were innocent Muslims being attacked. At worst, they intentionally prayed for the world to support Northern Alliance terrorism on the Afghan population. Will these unconscionable warlord advocates be shunned? Will they have to answer for supporting mercenaries that were heavily supported by Russia and America alike to terrorize the innocent Afghan civilians? Truly the cognitive dissonance is sickening.
…Abdul Rashid Dostum, terrorized Pashtun villages in Faryab, accusing them of supporting the Taliban… The United States was inevitably linked to the abuses of its allies: In November 2001, Dostum’s forces massacred as many as 2,000 Taliban prisoners who were captured or had surrendered outside Kunduz. …In early 2002, former Taliban wrote to the new Afghan president Hamid Karzai, offering to lay down arms and recognize the government. Instead, Gul Agha Sherzai, a powerful tribal leader the United States embraced, later accused of corruption, had them imprisoned and tortured by the National Directorate of Security…the intelligence agency created by the CIA… so tell me who are the good guys again ?>
As Northern Alliance forces recaptured territory in the north, they reportedly carried out abuses against Pashtun communities who they believed had benefited from or collaborated with Taliban rule at the expense of other ethnic communities. …As areas of northern Afghanistan came under Northern Alliance control, some Northern Alliance forces attacked local Pashtuns, beating men, raping women, and abducting civilians for ransom, according to human rights groups.
When I was out there, every single time we gave out equipment we would find it for sale in the market the next day and pawned off to someone, often ending up in the hands of folk that we really wouldn't want to have it. Then the military would come asking for more, which also ended up sold.
They really are hopeless. When will we learn that we can't just take our civilization and transplant it somewhere else and expect them to be like us. It's senseless trying to have a liberal democracy in Afghanistan when they've never had that before, not really, and never wanted it in the first place. There's no history of it. This was a very bad idea to take over and tell them that 90% of the things they like are bad and everything they hate with a burning passion is now legal and supported by the government. What did we expect lol
@@abowla7187 ah yes, the islamic gold age never happened, where they developed early algebra, made breakthroughs in biology and chemistry, and created the digits you have in your username
@@abowla7187 I wouldn't put this on religion....Thats disrespectful too. Where has religion been the sole factor that influenced any part the west since the Industrial revolution?It has a lot to do them being in a location where over 100 years of foreign intervention used it as an arena for proxy wars to destabilize rivals. It's far more complicated than that.
They handed in their weapons to the Taliban in a week time. that's not willing to fight and die for your country in my opinion. ANA was trained for 20 years, got modern equipment and were 3x the strenght of the Taliban. It all crumbled in less than one week. If you're only that motivated, to protect your country, friends, family and yourself, don't be surprised, you're gonna get your #ss handed over to you by the Taliban.
If u serve logic as your God, don't have faith then. Serve mathematics instead. All Muslim believe in Allah and afterlife. Learn and have a second thought, maybe Islam is the answer.. Not democracy, not communist not zionism fascism.. Btw your welcome. I just give you short and absolute answer to all your questions.
@@killdizzle all those weapons. Basically we gave 🇺🇸 the Taliban an upgraded country for free. They built no road, paid no taxes and now own an entire country. Financial, Military, Religiously. They should Upgrade America now. How much did all that cost?
What ever Afgha will be, it is their own sovereignhty and nothing can resolve there internal dispute except by their own government and people. God bless you Afgha people. . .
It's crazy to see Leatherneck as a wasteland. Breaks my heart honestly. Godspeed to the ANA fighters, they truly are some of the bravest people I have ever met.
@Abdulrahim Norzai People of Afghanistan is not making war against NATO, they are in a war between themselves, the war between Pashtoon and Hazara, and they are also fighting their neighbours such as Iran and Pakistan.
In the US we have come to revere the natives that were conquered here and the tenacity with which they fought. Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce has dams and roads named in his honor. He refused to officially give up their land even when he surrendered to protect their remaining people from extinction. Not only do Americans understand and relate to the fighting spirit in protecting one’s homeland, we idolize it. Hence our second amendment and gun rights. That is why the government has to hide what they’re doing to other people. That’s why the government wants to take our guns away. They know if we, the American people found out that the pentagon is killing people for control of opioids and oil, we would turn coat and rebel.
Another South Vietnam the taliban is eventually going to take everything and the military, affluential, rich, religious and ethnic minorities will all flee abroad
@@raylopez99 they’re not all going to be the best and brightest a lot of them are going to end up across the Middle East/Asia and in migrant camps in Europe stuck in poverty
It’s amazing to see the next gen afghan soldiers are willing to defend their country as it should be. They can’t rely on U.S. anymore and shouldn’t . We were their too long. I served 2012-2013 and we were breaking down COPs and FOBs. Losing 11 American lives while there, was extremely sad and to this day it breaks my heart to lose them. It’s mind blowing what has happened to Afghanistan. Prayers for them and hoping to see the afghan people prosper in the future.
"Serving in and saving civilians " The only job the Americans do know very well is crushing and killing the people , You had lost just 11 of your friends and still sad for them ,you're an animal and inhumane to be sad for them because they were not friends they were murderers .
@toki hiko Correction: The Afghan soldiers largely retreated from the Taliban assault on Kunduz before beginning their counterattack. With the back-up support of America special forces , Afghan soldiers pushed back into the city. Regardless of how the Afghans may have felt about Americans troops, there was always an understanding of the importance of American support. Furthermore, you are exaggerating when you say "countless" advisors were killed by Afghan troops. This happened a select number of times for differing reasons, commonly due to insurgent infiltrators posing as coalition supporters behind enemy lines.
@toki hiko Using civilians as their shields is the only thing that makes it difficult to eradicate the Talibans. Iran is behind terrorism in the middle east
@@teatualasi5676 how come Iran supports them when they almost went to war with the Taliban regime before 9/11 and the Hazara genocide has been a bone of contention for a long ass time.
@@Germfish although you're probably right, the guy is Afghan, and I'm not Afghan myself but I do know that those guys are a different breed when it comes to fear and battle.
These people (specifically the Taliban) are savages. They don't believe in individual rights, freedom of or from religion. They are corrupt, violent neanderthals. You want nothing to do with them.
I served in Afghanistan and my heart breaks and I am genuinely conflicted thinking about the possibility that the thing we spent so much blood and treasure over to prevent( a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan) may come to pass and I also truly feel for what that would mean for the Afghan people who genuinely want a better, more free and just future for themselves and their children. But at the same time I roll my eyes and sneer at the Afghan govt officials saying " it came alot sooner than we hoped or we were not ready". They had 20 YEARS to get ready. They have been lazily relying on ISAF to do everything for them(while also glutting on our money) for far too long. The govt there is one of the most corrupt in the world and its also grossly incompetent. The fact that they have not been able to keep what we sacrificed so much taking for them is not on us, its on theyre failures as leaders.
I agree with the points you have made but unfortunately Americans brought in the same people who were responsible for civil war to highest government seats. Civil war came about due their selfish objectives about power and money. Unfortunately I hope we find a way out of this noneses. Unfortunately, I don't see it as many of the government leaders are already taking sides as they did back in 1980's. sadly, people will welcome Taliban again not because they are progressive but they can at least they can provide some sort of security from thieves and warlords. Worrying times lie a head of Afghanistan 😓😓
@@danasulistya5383 first off I said one of not THE most. by the global index its usually between Somalia or South Sudan that takes that dubious honor. And yes we have been supporting a corrupt govt and not holding them to task because we didnt have many options.
I can tell you from personal experience corruption there is not just a one tribe or regional problem. Plenty of Pashtun leaders get they're cut of the pie as well.
My thought exactly. You can see he has no interest in helping the country, he just want a check and when things gets hot a ticket to bail out to another country. Prob the West.. this formula never fails: sharp looking minister in a poor and war torn country= corrupt and selfish
@@Drskopf Forgot to mention he's a british citizen, he'll probably get a cozy job at a top british university after the national government collapses under the Taliban, where he'll teach peace and state building to the next generation of delusional western leaders
In the 60's, Afghanistan was the place to visit for travellers and hippies alike. Then it turned into a war zone that still exists to this day. My educated guess is that successive foreign interference messed this country up real bad.
Without foreign intervention they'd be fine. The Russians, the Wahhabists, and the Westerners are all foreign interlopers. With that, they'd still be very poor and mostly rural but they'd be happy without people from other countries telling them how to live.
@@HavanaSyndrome69 they were way better off with the soviets than anything that came after. It was a secular country with relative equality between women and men. Just check out photos of Kabul from that era.
@@rajeevparmar8844 yeah, all propaganda photos like the PRNK making a "show" of propaganda to tourists who comes visit their nation when the reality is actually different. That secularity and equality came in exchange of their freedoms.
@@nicolasceresoli9121 How do you define "freedoms" though? By Western European/North American standards, I'd argue Afghanistan wasn't free before, during or after Soviet times so not sure what kind of point you're trying to make there. It's the same bs we see peddled by the American media regarding countries in the middle east they've "liberated" - places like Syria, Iraq or Libya were much more prosperous for the vast majority (not to mention secular with womens rights) before western military intervention led to and even aided the rise of radical islamist groups and movements which have decimated much of the middle east and other countries in south asia like Afghanistan.
We will see. I have a feeling that the Taliban will suddenly be a lot less unified once the US leaves and at least some factions will be interested in meaningful negotiations. The Taliban has no centralized government behind it. The central government is probably weaker than the South Vietnamese government was but the population under that government might be more willing to fight to avoid Islamic extremism than the Vietnamese cared about mild communism.
@@peterisawesomeplease The problem I see here is religious indoctrination. As long as they fiercly believe in their version of the big man in the sky and that their people are in some way traitors towards him and thus stand in the way of their theocracy, blood will be spilled. It would require some seriously strong religious leaders in their case to bring peace to them, or another enemy they can unify against.
@@RevCode it's not about religion, they are using religion as a tool but both sides know very well it's not about religion, same thing with Osama it was never about religion, the original purpose was to remove all forgien superpowers from the middle east, they kicked the Soviets, the french, the british, and now the are kicking out the U.S It was never about religion
He was a child 19 Years ago. There was no such thing as a Afghan democracy 19 years ago, there was no such thing as an Afghan army 19 years ago. It takes a generation to build such a thing. Afghan enlightenment is in its infancy. Yes the war has been 19 years but 13 of those 19 years has been Strictly US vs Taliban. 6 years is not much time to build a strong army vs a opportunistic evil.
The U.S. government has only been in talks with the Taliban since the Trump admin though. Which is probably what he means. Ronan Farrow (Journalist) who worked for Hilary Clinton during the Obama years states in his book "War on Peace" that a senior member of the Taliban asked to negotiate with the Obama admin on U.S. withdrawal. He also explains the Obama admin shut the idea down. As they saw it as a negative concept when Obama was running for re-election. Trump was told about this soon after taking the presidency. He then sent Mike Pompeo to Afghanistan to negotiate terms between the Taliban and the Kabul government. It went no where. The Taliban asked for majority seats on an Afghan parliament as well as resignation of the President of Kabul. When the Kabul government said these were non starters the Taliban began targeting schools where Girls attend. Including bombings on UN Humans rights workers from Kabul. The U.S. leaving now does nothing positive for Kabul. It will simply return to how Afghan has gone for thousands of years. Tribes fighting one another.
@@berzerker1100 The U.S should not accept everyone at the border. But its important to understand why they come by the thousands. People are kidnaped, kids beheaded, skinned alive etc. Ive seen a video in mexico where they chopped this guys limbs off with a dull blade. One buy one, arms then legs. Then they cut him open and took his beathing heart out while still alive. Cartels are like a plague, and alot of people dont want to be anywhere near it. And ofcourse drug dealers etc want to cross the border aswell. But im just trying to illustrate why it all makes sense.
@@lyssanch3096 Neither America nor drugs are the main form of income for the cartels. They profit more from southern America and Mexico by human trafficking, gun trafficking, as well as regular businesses and especially tourists attractions. If you to Mexico as a tourist and visit some of the tourist attractions, there is a chance you are putting your money in a cartels pockets. I was born in the US but grew up in Mexico. Don’t talk out of your ass if you don’t know what you’re talking about. And the fact that you blamed America like that without knowing the truth shows how entitled you are. If you live in the US you should be grateful because of how great it really is, far from perfect, but I promised myself I will never ever live in Mexico again. And everyday I thank god for giving me the opportunity to be here.
Lmao let me rephrase what that Afghan national security advisor guy said. "Oh sh!@# I have to actually do my job now and I don't really have a winning strategy"
man as soon as i saw him show up on screen sipping his latte with his ray-bans on I let out an audible laugh. THIS is the national security advisor?? Based on what was he chosen for that job? He'll be long gone in another country as the Taliban rolls up Kabul. Honestly, pretty sad seeing these grunts that have our ideas in there heads and ready to die for it, because they're definitely going to die. Afghan leadership is.... well not a thing apparently.
I can fully see other nations like Russia or China stepping in to gain regional influence. Regardless, I wish the Afghan people the best. I hope they win their struggle.
Good luck to those poor kids from china conscripted to fight the taliban and Afganistan civilian caught in the crossfire. None of them wanted war yet they got no choices standing in the middle of this. The Chinese politician get their military contracts, the taliban got free recruitment from the family of "collateral casualties" This is messed up
"The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war.” - Julian Assange (2011)
Anyone who has seen Vice’s documentary “this is what winning looks like” knows how utterly useless it has been to stay in Afghanistan. If afghans truly don’t want the taliban they damn well better take then seriously and be prepared for conflict.
that's the problem. Those "Afghans" who don't want the Taliban aren't exactly what you would call the people. They're the handful of Kabulians who was raised in a Pro American Kabul. For them the Taliban were always the Bad guys, for the majority of the Rural Afghanis, the Americans were the occupiers. Remember, it wasn't the Afghanis who requested the world to oust the Taliban, it was a US dicision
@@omairshafiq1998 exactly. If afghans want a taliban controlled government then it is inevitable that they will take over. The US could be there for a thousand years and that won’t change.
@@wigsmey4462 part of the reason the politician in the documentary was taking a soft posture despite the journalist pointing out the loses Kabul was taking. Kabul knows it lost and wants to find an easy way out, because believe me this seems very much like the 1970s. I don't think the Taliban are stupid enough either to let go of an opportunity easily after 20 years of grueling war. What I believe they are afraid of is exactly what the US did in 1989-1992 after the Soviets retreated. The US left without making a government and that led to Civil war, the Taliban and everyone actually wants things to go slowly but so that the result is a very strong pact.
Or it’s the real perspective of the Afghan people. Just because they want or even need these things doesn’t mean we can or should supply it. We have to stop denying the reality of our actions. Pulling out of Afghanistan will leave them with less support. That doesn’t mean we should stay in an endless war.
@@eb4241 for sure... Every 3rd world country would do better if they had military equipment from the US. All of them. Should we give them all equipment and how much should we give them. We gave them about 20 years worth of personal support and equipment
I’m a Kurd and I feel such a deep sadness seeing this I grew up with Afghans in Germany and I honestly couldn’t relate more with any other people I will pray everyday for your country’s fortune please stay strong La Illaha ilAllah
@@minonasri3730 They're not the same people. Kurds, Persians and Pashtuns all have their own distinct cultures and religious practices. Merely belonging to a common linguistic group alone doesn't make people "the same".
@@AlphaMaverick1111 no one is out here talking about culture 😂😂😂😂🤦🏻♀️ were all one group because we are all Iranic. Tajiks, afghans, Iranians and Kurds. Afghan farsi speakers are also Persian because that’s an ethnicity not a nationality khar🤦🏻♀️ go get educated
@@minonasri3730 You're the one who needs to be educated and sound like the sort of typical Persian chauvinist. Iranic refers to a linguistic group and has nothing to do with genetics or having "common origins." People who are "the same" share a common culture. Pashtuns share a common culture. Kurds share a common culture. Persians share a common culture. No Kurd is going to identify as a Persian just because they come from an ethnic group that speaks a language that belongs to "the Iranic language family". Its far more complicated than that A Mongol origin Hazara has more in common with a Persian than a Pashtun does, based on language, culture and religion.
No disrespect to the Afghan army in Kabul, but your video has aged like spoiled milk. We were going to withdraw in May, but then Biden announced that we would leave by September. This pissed everyone off. Then, in August, the Biden administration gave the order to pull out rapidly, leaving dozens of weapons behind and plentiful ammunition, metric tonnes of cash (which were likely used for bribes during the war), and other equipment up to helicopters which the Taliban have proven that they can fly. We left soldiers and citizens behind in enemy territory, wtih very strong words against the Taliban, but no follow-through. Since these events, ISIS has regained some guts and started going after people trying to leave, setting off explosions where hundreds of civilians were gathered. What a colossal failure. It is my hope that this failure dogs the Biden admin for the entire term.
The guy speaking at 9:30 is a fkn patriot! Love seeing his commitment to his country! God bless these Afghan soldiers. May they defeat the lame Taliban!!!
Lame Taliban?? Good chunk of these soldiers are probably training to eventually defect to Taliban lmao 😆. Funny how most of you sitting thousands of miles away so casually pass judgement on lands you never heard of before 😆
@@Adrien1x he’s right, most of them will defect, the taliban is too strong, the guys won’t die for a fight they won’t win, defection to the taliban is nothing new, it’s been an ongoing problem in the ANA for a while now
justasingledoor it’s amazing too, it doesn’t even matter if you’re like say a leftist Christian either, they’ll still dog pile you and act like they are just the best people despite how they act, or even because of it.
Usually, it goes like this: "US gives the army weapons" > "Army loses said weapons by either FLEEING THE BATTLEFIELD or getting defeated" > "Americans or the British (whoever is closer) now has to go and blow up these weapons" > "Afghan army complains about the lack of equipment"
The billions were already distributed into the warmongers' accounts and all these equipment that are left behind or 'lost' amounts to a mere fraction of the war budget.
At the beginning of the interview the commander was complaining about resources looked skeptical about his army and the Security advicer looked like a crooked afgan business man to me! Anyways the Taliban only took 5 days to gain power without firing a shot! Unbelievable
This country had 20 years to get its act together and still, they have so little to show for it. Now they are telling us that the US took all the minesweeping equipment, tech, and personnel away. I find this to be a very dubious statement and a lack of accountability on the Afghan soldiers who were trained during those 20 years. The people to be blamed are the greedy politician in positions of power, corruption, and those free-loaders who just wanted a wage and refused to fight when it counted... need I say more.
@@pudanielson1 Americans are only thinking of their own presence without internal issues (including for example Vietnam's issues with Cambodia that led to war or Afghanistan's issues with Pakistan regarding the British-made border)
In old Vice report they claimed that many of these soldiers were rapists, robbers, and people with criminal backgrounds, or at least ordinary guy who pay a bribe to be soldiers or policemen. They wont survive againts Islamist nationalist Taliban members who fought for free to get rid any invaders for the sake of their country and religion.
@@nanangsadullah8341 I'm not sure about 'many' of them being rapists, robbers .etc. that sounds quite far-fetched, but taking bribes is super common in Afghanistan yes. Corruption is very common amongst Afghan authorities and it starts from very top. How can your average police man or soldier with a minimal wage be expected to uphold morals when they see their superiors (and I mean all the way up to the top) partaking in corrupt activity. It's all about survival, and blaming the little guy is easy, it's about time the big players are called out. As for their chances against the Taliban, yeah they have a mentally, a dedication thats hard to match, thats for sure.
Watching this makes me appreciate the power and strength of the US military. See the drill they are running at ~8:05; imagine how much more proficient even the most lackluster crew of marines would have cleared and secured that room. No comparison.
Amen, we gave them training but their is so much we can do, they need to have that fire to fight for their country and they succumbed to the taliban to quickly I know a few friends that trained afghans on their tours and they explained how difficult it was and many of them didn’t take the training to seriously
Yeah, I had to correct the guy after 3:30 when he said the Taliban could take some provinces ... _some more_ , d00d. www.longwarjournal.org/mapping-taliban-control-in-afghanistan
@@drippooh and what it's the US fault? No. This was inevitable because the army of 300 K refused to fight back a Taliban army of 75 k. The US lost to much money and time preparing soldiers there and when we leave we are the bad guys? They need to learn to fight for their country.
@@amraizjaved4465 Is that what you think the goal was? The US mission was to get Bin Laden, that's it. Overthrowing Taliban rule came with the territory, mission was accomplished in both endeavors. The US stayed long enough to help the people of Afghanistan rebuild their security and military forces to fend for themselves against those would be oppressors. What the hell makes you think we need to stay any longer. We got what we wanted. Bin Laden at the bottom of the ocean. Fish food. A bunch of tribes with AKs is of no consequence to the US. But if they actually wanted a real fight, they would stop using innocent women and children for cover and act like real men. We did all we needed to do. Afghan had 19 years of US help to get their act together. Time for them to live it now. So GTFOH with that BS.
@@ryanarchibald2907 Most of them wouldn't know what freedom was if it walked up and smacked them in the face. Most of them only know religion based oppression. Government sanctioned raping of women and chopping their heads off.
When I was 9 years old my country invaded Afghanistan, and now they are finally leaving. It's sad to see all the problems that still exist, and I really wish peace and justice would flourish in this beautiful country. To be clear, I'm not excusing the US/UK role in the problems facing Afghanistan dating back to funding the mujahideen in the 1980's, nor the Taliban for their repressive views of women and civil society
At least you guys were able to do your part with helping build schools and roads and hospitals and medical centers and help stabilize the countries government as much as possible. Why focus on just the negatives you cynic
@@Nesqwikz I don't focus on the negative, but I won't ignore reality and from what I can tell little progress has been made in the lives of many Afghans. Maybe I'm wrong
@@molaomar1366 no they didn’t, they left them a 1 billion$ base airport, and 3.5 million equipment that includes food, water, bullets, vehicles and once they left everything was scavenged by soldiers to try to sell, or take for themselves.
@@Sora_Nai bruh that’s nothing honestly, you might have served in the military, and if you did you should know that the equipment is expensive and most likely they left them with shitty equipment because even US soldiers don’t do the maintenance right… but I don’t know anything, 68W here
@@araperez4015 3.5 million equipment is nothing are you stupid. It had the value of over $10 billion with a $1billion base. That included over 5000 tons of food. Over 2000 vehicles. And you say that is nothing.
Yeah since they were stealing and said that it was help we only need the stuff that the Americans has not them selfs since they aren’t even on our side
I can't help but to feel sorry for those Afghan soldiers who genuinely wanted to fight to get rid of the Taliban, only for them to be let down by those many who weren't motivated: same thing happened with Afghanistan as happened with South Vietnam. VICE did many stories in Afghanistan showing those true soldiers who were doing their job with what little they had - like that one Afghan sapper who was demining roads with his bare hands saying he was doing it because he hated the Taliban and would be ready to give his life so that civilians didn't have to die because of their IEDs (he died doing his job later), or the officer named Hamid Khan who showed all the qualities of a proper officer and even forces from the USA who worked with him said he was one of the best Afghan officers, but many men under his command were acting like idiots : /
I was travelling in metro of New Delhi this month , I saw a old lady with her two daughters sitting in front seats that lady didn’t seem Indian and was smiling when I saw her , I asked her from where she was she told me that she was a Afghani taken refugee here in Delhi , she told me her long story how there home was devasted by this never ending war and how they came here in India it was Very depressing listening whole story , then she told me that there are thousands of them like her in their area, this really made me to go and see one time what it is like , when I went there that whole place was a mini Kabul , there were naan shops everywhere Afghani dresses , food and signboards . Refugee people’s are always a problem in India where politics also revolved around refugees from Bangladesh and Pakistan but Afghanis are never involved they are one of the most adorable people in Delhi , I hope that everything becomes fine at their home, although Afghanistan is the same country that have plundered India many times in the past but now majority of Indians and Afghanis Love and respect each other. Bhagwan aapko khush Rakhee , hope everything will be fine soon
Thank you Rupin Bhai for the candid words. The whole new generation of Afghans is educated in Indian Universities and still studying on private and scholarships schemes and we have high respect for our fellow Indian brothers. Actually we are caught in neighbors' geopolitics. Pakistan gives India hard time in Kashmir ... then India gives Pakistan hard time in Waziristan through Afghanistan. it is like you create problem here... I create problem there. We get close to India... Pakistan gets unhappy ... We get close to Pakistan.... India gets unhappy. May God solve this conundrum. Prayers for your and other Indians going through hard times due to Corona these days.
@@_UCS_SwapnilSahaiSrivastav Thank you Captain Bhai. We have high respect for Indian brothers. They have been in much thick and thin beside Afghanistan. Lets pray peace prevails in this region and all Indians, Pakistanis and Afghanis travel like brethern and good humans to each others regions and our economies flourish. It all depends on the political will and undetstanding among masses and common people.
Afghanistan was never a friend of the U.S. Even Vice had documentaries about how they sabotage equipment to sell, skip out on paying troops, and use money for public works on themselves. They got more funding than germany after world war 2 - They never had any intention of being an ally. This was bound to happen. The U.S didnt fail. Afghanistan failed. Again. Ultimately, they will be the ones who suffer, not americans.
@Gamer Boy my bad bro, i thought you were in my side But i have to say you are the victim of media conspiracies. Go find informations from both sides, find some original sources from Taliban sources; Alemarah media, Emirate of Afghanistan, etc. Analize them, think, and observe
@Gamer Boy perhaps you have afghani friends, but i bet dont have any friends even met any afghanis who are in Taliban side, or at least agree with Taliban ideas, those people are true Afghanis who stay in their country because they love their land and religion, people of honesty, and undefeated warriors.
The Soviet withdraw was more organized and they cooperated with the Afghan government with an organized transition of power and the Afghan government fell 3 years after the withdraw. The US withdraw was unorganized and they cooperated with the Taliban, the Afghan government fell within a week.
US living Afghanistan is one of the best things happened to the people of this country. Though I must say, previous government losing power in a week was one of the most disgraceful and pathetically quick ways to lose.
They withdrew because they were about to instigate a bigger one. Ukraine. It's not a coincidence that the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the war in Ukraine happened less than a year apart from one another. It's also not a coincidence that the President of Ukraine so happened to be an actor when it met Biden to join NATO. The media doesnt point that out because its too obvious how it all connects.
I suggest you listen to these youtube channels for a different perspective. They in my opinion makes more sense than the media: 1) The Duran (black background with yellow eagle symbol) 2) Gonzalo Lira the roundtable 3) George Galloway 4) The New Atlas 5) Garland Nixon 6) Patrick Lancaster 7) Scott Ritter You dont have to watch all of it but just listed a few of the alternative sources of information and analysis. I hope you'd give it a shot. You're free to disagree with all their points if you think it doesnt make sense but just try and hear them out.
Vice: the US should leave Afghanistan they’re not being effective
Also Vice: The US shouldn’t leave Afghanistan they need to protect civilians
Came here to exactly say that as well. Damned if we do and damned if we dont 🤷
Vice didn't say us should leave Afghanistan but the Taliban did
I get your point, and comparing two or more news stories from a year or more apart can seem to affect air of logical dissonance from Vice, but surely it's more complicated than that and an analysis of the issues forces us to accept it's not as black and white as your comment makes it seem - regardless of how it's covered in the media.
We left afghan a long time ago and another terrorist cell came up and that’s going to happen I can almost guarantee you.
Tuff propaganda aye
This aged like fine milk
lmao so true
Hahahha
I wonder where those poor soldiers are now
😂😂😂😂
You beat me to it lol
It’s mind boggling that during 90% of my life we have been in Afghanistan.
I was not even born when troops from the West went there.
I was born in 2003, not knowing we were fighting in afghanistan since 2001. I feel old already Lmao
30,000 American mercenaries says we are NOT leaving there dude
@@billiamc1969 mercs are everywhere my man
It boggles my mind we made the same literal mistake as the Soviet Union, a comparable force in the world at the time against a poor country. Where was the world affairs specialist in our government the day we decided that!? He must have been like the guy at the Canadian desk in Canadian Bacon.
Head Of Security:“It seems like they think, they can take power”
Taliban: Takes Power
Well the Taliban have accomplished an actual insurrection in Afghanistan. See the difference between what the Taliban have done and Jan 6 in the US capital?
@@alexpeterson5809 America’s security and Afghans security aren’t in any way shape or form similar at all.
Now our men and children have to fight, kill, and die for their nation AGAIN,
for them. Glass the whole middle east and be done with it.
20 years. Meh. We tried, break out the thermo-nukes
@@alexpeterson5809 unarmed americans... they said 1/6 was worse than 9-11 lmao
also said O'Biden got 81 million votes... more than anyone in USA history
@@alexpeterson5809 the homegrown terrorists were squashed early. Imagine the damage they would have done
“The Taliban could see this as an opportunity and attack”
Narrator: They did.
A couple of provinces.
they didn't even attack. they literally just walked in.
@@GarrettFischer1 I know right, walked in and didn't even shoot. That shows their kind of mentality, the majority of the population does not care about the taliban. Not to talk about ANA, completely useless.
This was months before the issue began.
@Jason Franklin Nice bot reply🙄 completely not this issue😂
The crazy thing is some of these kids fighting weren’t even born when the war started.
@gregor samsa 2021 American school systems are too busy teaching about river meanders and Constantinople to talk about American war crimes in the middle east.
Why is that crazy? This is an eternal fight. It'll never end. It's only a matter of time until we're attacked again. The war against Islamic jihadists never truly ends. They believe and understand that. When will we?
@gregor samsa 2021 because woke culture would rather talk about how we should be categorized by race, gender, and sexual orientation.
@@sbman436 "Why is that crazy? This is an eternal fight. It'll never end. It's only a matter of time until we're attacked again." Actually the Taliban never did any terrorist attack on US soil before the war or during the 21 years of war. They not even threatened the US to do so....The Taliban just defend their country.
The current war in Afghanistan is going on since 1978. So for 43 years already. Only the invading countries changed.
“Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.”
Good luck to the people of Afghanistan.
Yeah it's not looking good I wish them well over there.
Should have never went there!!
You should have not been there
I was one of the troops assigned to Train, Advise, Assist. We have given them more resources and training then you can imagine. The issue is corruption. We gifted them several aircraft to transport personnel, conduct air drops as well as air strikes. Within a couple months of gifting them these air craft I was conducting an investigation on an Afghan Lieutenant Colonel who was smuggling people and drugs into the city for money.
@@nathanisbauce Damn that's fucked up.
The security adviser looks like he’s more worried about getting suits and sunglasses than national security. Is what that U.S. Dollar will get you. Gravy train is over
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed
Yeah he’s all flash but now he has no cash!
yep, he looks so vain. we noticed it too. it's like he doesn't blend with the people he wants to serve.
He clearly doesn’t have a political strategist, sunglasses are a no-go
Not to mention a private jet
My dad always says:
"No matter what the governments decide, it's the poor who loses everything"
Smart man
@@MrNeboff thanks
Now taliban took over and now Afghanistan will be a breeding ground for terrorist bases plus the taliban stole millions of tanks cars weapons and bombs that Biden told them to leave. Sounds like Syria.
@@MrNeboff Hardly a smart man.. more commonsense tbh
@@jakewilkinson520 Yeah but today people don’t have common sense and it’s true
Mad respect to those brave Afghan soldiers. May God protect them
You think there is a man in the sky taking requests?
@@plantman5126 he’s not even trying to aggressively or rudely evangelize you or anything, let him be.
@@plantman5126 Get out you atheist ⚛️
@@plantman5126 We get it, you’re an atheist.
I just hope that government can at least function while both sides try to negotiate peacefully.
"It's their country, they can sort themselves out. Our presence here can be considered a mistake."
Unknown Soviet solider in 1980s Afghan War
might be the french, british even alexander the great came with the same outcome
Unfortunatly the taliban would wreak havoc on countries all over the world just for fear
You might be right NINJA but this is the 21st century and powerful weapons excist. If you leave a nation that has the probablity of having access to powerful weapons along with potential leaders like ISIS than its no longer a one country problem but a world problem. Think of the suicidal nuts that kill inocent people in the US as an example that their logic is to take as many people as possible. Thats why you can't just ignore things any more.....
Russians took 10 years to understand that, Americans 20...
@@Cam_Wight no, they will never do it. If you don't pinch them they don't have a problem, it's that simple.
Looks like we left more equipment behind for the Taliban to snatch up than we did for the Afghan army
That wouldn't have been the case if the Afghan army had actually put up a fight. They gave up after thirty seconds.
@@massimoscognamiglio7369 they didn't get paid in over 6 months by their corrupt government. What more do you expect from them.
@@Harsh-mb3ui at least try fighting for their own future, sadly they gave up
Well, maybe they figured their future is the Taliban.
@@Harsh-mb3ui I didn't make any judgements about the people inside the afghan army, I only said what happened.
This War has no winners. Only a massive list of victims.
And it has no end goal ether and never had a goal besides take oil and sell weapons
@@levibrown9136 Lmao are you kidding? The Taliban has basically taken control of the country in weeks after the US left and you’re saying the war was about oil? They LITERALLY have taken control of the country right now just after the US left and you’re saying it was about oil?
@@thereisnofinishline5773 I got it mixed up with Iraq and the gulf war master Jedi
No, the Taliban clearly won...
I'd say the Taliban won pretty hard
I hope these Afghan soldiers won't die or handicap in battles. Love and respect.
They will
@@Big_AlMC not all
Believe all of them will, no one gets out alive!
@@darktagmaster1861 where u from
@Sakin Maharjan | if you stand in *Delhi airport* (India), at around noon, you will see an Air India plane from Kabul landing everyday with just *amputee & injured*
Most of them need prosthetic or more amputations. *Around 400 each day, arrive, and equal number leave.*
I really wish these people can finally have peace in their lives once and for all. They really deserve it...
Yes. I'm praying for peace to come.
Thanks brother
Sure you can go on and negotiate with the Taliban then. It them who don’t want peace.
In war since 1979 (Soviet Invasion), really tough lives they have.
@@thienngo7252 , I am not necessarily a Taliban supporter, but you have to understand in war, there is normally never a good or a bad side, only different opinions and perspectives.
I don’t know why it would take 12 weeks of training to show someone how to throw everything they have on the ground and run away.
brand new weaponry, never used, only dropped once.
Thank you!
@@lex1945 That was good
After 20 yrs they couldnt even do jump in jacks...
😂😂😂
Realistically speaking, this is not going to end well for the Afghan Government
@@user-ov1ps7go4m “Talibanistan.” Bruh.
It is inevitable Afghanistan will become Talibanistan again in the matter of months.
They will survive for 3-4 years at maximum. May survive more if the Afghan Taliban splints.
@@mictianfollower2644 Afghan soldiers have been doing well over 90% of the fighting since 2016. At worst it's going to be like pre-9/11 in which the Taliban control a large chunk but so the government. Geography alone makes it almost impossible for either the Taliban or the government to have full control.
@@thekaiser1156 lots of mountains
I'm hundred percent sure that Afghan Security Advisor is the first person to flee the country when the news of taliban gaining territory begin.
He got his position thanks to nepotism anyway.
Yes bro u correct. All world just delivered weapons to afghans for killing but not peace.
@@shayyanshayyar9131 *pakistan
@@bumblebee6028 nonsense,
he is already dressing like a Parisian.
the amount of people who raised their hands when she asked the question of who lost someone to this grueling war, it shocked me.
@Jamal Aden true so true the government bombs schools,hospitals, etc and blame it on Taliban lol when if u watch how they operate they literally pull up google maps or maps and if there are homes in the place they want to attack then they dont do it such corrupt governmet
At some point, soon China will take control and apply there methods with those applied to the Uighurs - methods that are now being improved. Labor and re-education camps, in which the UN will enter with a permit and will praise the wonderful conditions created for the people. Afghanistan will learn to work, to obey, and the Taliban will have the opportunity to leave Allah in the background and worship in all their places of worship to King XI
You will only see a few Afghan who won’t rise their hand when someone ask this question
Like if they knew what she asked.
@@geoms6263 lol stupid
I've read this on another comment section and it really left a impression on me, it was aparently said by a Soviet commander regarding the Soviet Afghan war: "How do you defeat an enemy who looks into the barrel of a gun and sees paradise?"
By pulling the trigger and sending him to hell Soviets killed 1million Tribal pakhtuns and 1 million Other minorities total 2 million people killed by the Soveits rulled Afghanistan for Years built there building there they left because of ecnomical reasons only so dont be fooled mister.
@abumuslimal-asiani2066 you won't
They can be defeated , the Japenese were just as fanatic. Going so far as kamikaze. Just takes a lot of work and questionable tactics.
@abumuslimal-asiani2066which country are you from
@asdk3090 “questionable” is a really sugarcoated way to put it. Genocide is the term that’s more often used.
"we weren't expecting it to come this soon." yeah only 20 years
For 20 years, Afghan had the help of the US. And within a matter of a year and a half that had all changed. The support they thought they had, left. That’s what they weren’t prepared for. -_-
With the Taliban and Al Qaeda still in existence, operating in large swathes of Afghanistan, and still in possession of very great military firepower, they are very much a threat to the Afghan democratic government. The US withdrawal from Afghanistan should ONLY have occurred once these two forces have been thoroughly and completely beaten and removed from such power to ever be a threat to America and the Afghan democratic government again.
@@huydang5955 I mean it’s been twenty years whatever we’re doing is obviously not working. And we have enough problems as is here in our own country, I’m not sure what some guys in the mountain in Afghanistan are going to do to us.
@@huydang5955 they had 20 years to do so, and they failed to do so. if not by now, when?
@Gentile Defence Force lmao
the only place where you can find greek, persian, soviet, and american relics
British and possibly roman, though that is disputed.
@@darrenbutler9819 ye, thats why i dont put em here
yukito _06 he was saying the Roman presence is disputed. Not the British. They were definitely there. So why did you exclude them again?
@@Clarkcanepa what i meant was spesificaly the romans, now can we stop with it
in the future, you can potentially find Chinese relics as well.
Afghan Brothers and Sisters are good people with beautiful culture and they deserve Peace. Bless them all
Biden speech , we were Attack on 9-11 !! but from the inside ,not from the outside .
@@hardcandy7112 can't expect more of a person who's subscribed to fox news
@@hardcandy7112 your first mistake is being american
@@luantunez8975 oh im sorry what country that we most likely liberated for you are you from? How long has it been since crying for american help? Dont worry EVERYBODY INCLUDING FRANCE AND ENGLAND do it so dont be ashamed to be reliant on us like the rest of the planet
Mean while the general population has been cursing us since we got there
The Taliban played this to perfection, they got everything they wanted, and they didn't even have to fight for it, America literally handed the country to them on the back of a promise LUL
Plus $90 billion in military hardware!
How is 110,000 dead, decades of landmine problems, collapsed infrastructure, fragmented political system and a GDP smaller than Gamestop "playing it to perfection?"
@@lubu4u312 not 110,000 dead Taliban, 110,000 dead Afghans. And it's playing the hand they were dealt to perfection.
@@lubu4u312 no president means more territory controlled by the taliban, the more taliban in control the more private contracts and funding given out by the government to fight a proxy war.
@@lubu4u312 China will support them to get at the country's mineral wealth.
"We will not be left out by the international community" is what the Colonel said. As of today, we know where it's at. And it's a sad situation.
USA did their part. It is up to the Afghanistan people to fight for their country
international community is more than just the US. Sad that no1 cares other than US.
I am an American defector. This is a video of me in front of the North Korean Embassy on March 8, 2021, International Women's Day. th-cam.com/video/R-zVl-V2zGc/w-d-xo.html
Its time for the tyranny of the United States to end... .It's time for the USA to implode.
Internationally, the most violent country today is the United States of America.
The only hope for this evil empire, it that the peace movement in the United States blossom and thrive.
th-cam.com/video/R-zVl-V2zGc/w-d-xo.html
#moscowbeckons
#timesup
#northkorea
@@richardcervantes30 Yes US created this mess. That's what they did
@@richardcervantes30 "usa did their part" what part exactly? you destroyed their country, and left the civilian people at the mercy of an extremist group that the usa CREATED, FUNDED ARMED and LOST CONTROL OF time and time again. Blood is on american hands dont get that twisted.
Vice: how dare america be in Afghanistan
Also vice: how dare america abandoned Afghanistan
Got to be open to different perspectives
no point ignoring the damage.
Yeah check out the dates of those pieces. Vice was bought out years ago by a media conglomerate. That's probably why they don't mention that half the boots on the ground are defense contractors, when the US Army leaves we still have tens of thousands of soldiers on the ground.
The way their left Was the problems
The news really should make up their mind about their decisions. Stay or leave, not both. Even though personally I think that there will be civil in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 when all US 🇺🇸 soldiers get out of the country. But we'll wait and see.
Gotta say, this is the first time I’ve ever been somewhat impressed after watching footage of the ANA.
I thought the same
Its now or never for them...... Do or die
They aren't ready, but they need to be. God/Allah bless and watch over those fighting for peace and justice.
america has trained them well
Your not lien they used to be high out of there minds,they would run out the wire and just unloading there wepon's at nothing.
"We can convince Taliban for a democracy."
-National Security Adviser
Forget about democracy let's hope people of Afghanistan get their basic Human Rights. God bless them.
Sharia law? - not a chance...
Sharia law is beautiful.
As Northern Alliance forces recaptured territory in the north, they reportedly carried out abuses against Pashtun communities who they believed had benefited from or collaborated with Taliban rule at the expense of other ethnic communities.
…As areas of northern Afghanistan came under Northern Alliance control, some Northern Alliance forces attacked local Pashtuns, beating men, raping women, and abducting civilians for ransom, according to human rights groups.
the Afghans could of had basic human rights without the invasion of the USA with the help of the northern alliance and the Afghan army committing war crimes and starting wars
David Beasley of the World Food Programme said Thursday that “the world’s worst humanitarian crisis is unfolding” in Afghanistan, where more than 22 million people could be at risk of starvation.
Even with the possibility of 22 million people at risk of starvation, America has opted to make the situation worse by preventing the Taliban from having access to the Afghan central bank’s assets that are currently frozen in the United States.
The Taliban does not have access to the Afghan central bank’s billions of dollars in reserves, the bulk of which have been frozen in the US.
How can you claim to be concerned about a country’s wellbeing when you have systematically ravaged the country through military intervention and are now, in a sense, sanctioning said country by holding their assets hostage? Is this western human rights in full display?
In the midst of all this, the troika seem to have much more superficial concerns in mind as per their joint statement.
At this point, the idea that these nations have a genuine humanitarian concern for Afghanistan is moot. Instead of tackling the potential loss of life as a primary concern these countries would rather leave the lives of the same women and children they are trying to liberalize in limbo and let them starve.
Great job by the national security advisor. The Taliban pretty much went through the entire country like a warm knife through butter.
Man, 20 years of all the sacrifice for nothing
By sacrifice I mean both US soldiers and the innocent Afghans.
Folded like a wet noodle... Nary fired a shot..
Guy wearing sunglasses during interview says a lot.
Taliban just pulled a Blitzkrieg 10 days and 30 of 34 providence’s under Taliban control. Kabul looks like Saigon, another loss for the US and west
That Afghan National Security Advisor sure didn’t look like he was underfunded. Probably stuff his accounts in Dubai with US aid money
I was thinking the same
Unfortunately you are on the nose, about the shady character,
That dude looked a Seattle Coffeeshop Hipster or a traveling Bespoke Post salesman.
Absolutely. It’s people like him who siphon off money given by the US for Afghanistan. Afghan government is corrupt to the core !!!
That’s kind of the problem isn’t it? It’s problematic to look at Afghanistan the same way we look at a western nation. It’s foolish to assume that afghanis see themselves as citizens of Afghanistan. Instead, it’s much more complex. They more likely would identify with whatever tribe or clan they were born into. Some would identify more with their Pakistani heritage even.
We can’t just give them money like we would Germany for instance. Where we can have some faith that theyl use it to better Germany. When you give a bunch of money to Afghanistan. Whoever gets it is just going to use it for his clan. Or try to undermine some rival clan. They just don’t think about things like we do in the US.
20y later ... "Well we weren't expecting it to be so soon"
Yea right
LOL
never enough time
@@RushVidz44 well said 😂😂
@@RushVidz44 why ?
@@maxxflowtv876 why ?
Some reports say that Afghan soldiers weren't even paid for months. How could you expect them to fight Taliban!
To my understanding we paid their salaries
@@m2dirty789 and most of it ended up in corruption's pockets.
hmmm? IDK
Are warlords, rapists, thugs, and their western imperial masters the people we should pray for or fund? If these Western pseudo-activists don’t like the Taliban, surely they could have done better than to actively support and protest for warlord mercenaries that commit war crimes on the Afghan population.
Sadly, a large part of this movement included many Muslims - Afghan Muslims in particular. These individuals were, at best, ill-informed Muslims who believed that the Northern Alliance were innocent Muslims being attacked. At worst, they intentionally prayed for the world to support Northern Alliance terrorism on the Afghan population.
Will these unconscionable warlord advocates be shunned? Will they have to answer for supporting mercenaries that were heavily supported by Russia and America alike to terrorize the innocent Afghan civilians? Truly the cognitive dissonance is sickening.
…Abdul Rashid Dostum, terrorized Pashtun villages in Faryab, accusing them of supporting the Taliban…
The United States was inevitably linked to the abuses of its allies: In November 2001, Dostum’s forces massacred as many as 2,000 Taliban prisoners who were captured or had surrendered outside Kunduz.
…In early 2002, former Taliban wrote to the new Afghan president Hamid Karzai, offering to lay down arms and recognize the government. Instead, Gul Agha Sherzai, a powerful tribal leader the United States embraced, later accused of corruption, had them imprisoned and tortured by the National Directorate of Security…the intelligence agency created by the CIA… so tell me who are the good guys again ?>
As Northern Alliance forces recaptured territory in the north, they reportedly carried out abuses against Pashtun communities who they believed had benefited from or collaborated with Taliban rule at the expense of other ethnic communities.
…As areas of northern Afghanistan came under Northern Alliance control, some Northern Alliance forces attacked local Pashtuns, beating men, raping women, and abducting civilians for ransom, according to human rights groups.
Tip to Afghans: Tighten the traps on your helmet during training.
Keep the tip for yourself. You gonna pee in your pants if u just even hear that u gonna go to that brave nation.
@@beatsthebeast913 just watch at 7:48 it’s truly funny.
😂
*Straps
@KGThompson that's sarcasm level at 100+
When I was out there, every single time we gave out equipment we would find it for sale in the market the next day and pawned off to someone, often ending up in the hands of folk that we really wouldn't want to have it. Then the military would come asking for more, which also ended up sold.
They really are hopeless. When will we learn that we can't just take our civilization and transplant it somewhere else and expect them to be like us. It's senseless trying to have a liberal democracy in Afghanistan when they've never had that before, not really, and never wanted it in the first place. There's no history of it. This was a very bad idea to take over and tell them that 90% of the things they like are bad and everything they hate with a burning passion is now legal and supported by the government. What did we expect lol
@@HavanaSyndrome69 Because their religion never reached a period of enlightenment.
My cousin told me the same thing, it really doesn’t make sense
@@abowla7187 ah yes, the islamic gold age never happened, where they developed early algebra, made breakthroughs in biology and chemistry, and created the digits you have in your username
@@abowla7187 I wouldn't put this on religion....Thats disrespectful too. Where has religion been the sole factor that influenced any part the west since the Industrial revolution?It has a lot to do them being in a location where over 100 years of foreign intervention used it as an arena for proxy wars to destabilize rivals. It's far more complicated than that.
When the soldier was trying to grab his helmet, he should’ve informed his bosses they’ll lose in a day
That was kinda awkward
Becuase of his failure to secure his hemlet, their protective posture is weakened
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Hmmm.... But this only training... In real scenario he might not care.. Helmet or not.....
@@evolution8662 his carelessness cost them Kabul in a day
@@ovaismir6618 What you mean... Did they even take on Taliban???
Man this is tough to watch these young soldiers be so willing to die for their land so much bravery
Did they?
They handed in their weapons to the Taliban in a week time. that's not willing to fight and die for your country in my opinion. ANA was trained for 20 years, got modern equipment and were 3x the strenght of the Taliban. It all crumbled in less than one week. If you're only that motivated, to protect your country, friends, family and yourself, don't be surprised, you're gonna get your #ss handed over to you by the Taliban.
How about you both watch the fucking video first then comment
If u serve logic as your God, don't have faith then. Serve mathematics instead. All Muslim believe in Allah and afterlife. Learn and have a second thought, maybe Islam is the answer.. Not democracy, not communist not zionism fascism.. Btw your welcome. I just give you short and absolute answer to all your questions.
The military training looks like a joke as I see what has happened for the last 48 hours
Afghanistan soldiers dont want to fight
@@killdizzle all of a sudden these mfs now want the US to stay when they be hatin the troops for years. FOH
RandyTsao Are you Asian like Japanese or Chinese?
I do wonder if they have “Afghan preppers ” still in the country. That would be a good documentary🤷🏾♂️
@@killdizzle all those weapons. Basically we gave 🇺🇸 the Taliban an upgraded country for free. They built no road, paid no taxes and now own an entire country. Financial, Military, Religiously. They should Upgrade America now. How much did all that cost?
This hasn't aged well. The Taliban now control 80% of Afganistan close to taking over Kabul.
What ever Afgha will be, it is their own sovereignhty and nothing can resolve there internal dispute except by their own government and people. God bless you Afgha people. . .
95% now
Anyone can foresee this. Terror is a great power. The US is right to pull out and let the Afghanistan people to determine their path
@@在港陆人看世界 They were not right when they invaded the country in the first place. They should be responsible for their actions.
The takeover has begun
It's crazy to see Leatherneck as a wasteland. Breaks my heart honestly. Godspeed to the ANA fighters, they truly are some of the bravest people I have ever met.
@Abdulrahim Norzai People of Afghanistan is not making war against NATO, they are in a war between themselves, the war between Pashtoon and Hazara, and they are also fighting their neighbours such as Iran and Pakistan.
@Abdulrahim Norzai do you approve of the Taliban?
In the US we have come to revere the natives that were conquered here and the tenacity with which they fought. Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce has dams and roads named in his honor. He refused to officially give up their land even when he surrendered to protect their remaining people from extinction. Not only do Americans understand and relate to the fighting spirit in protecting one’s homeland, we idolize it. Hence our second amendment and gun rights. That is why the government has to hide what they’re doing to other people. That’s why the government wants to take our guns away. They know if we, the American people found out that the pentagon is killing people for control of opioids and oil, we would turn coat and rebel.
Leatherneck was like a city when I was there in 2012. I was at camp krutke the seabee camp for when we were not doing convoys or projects elsewhere.
@One Plus lmao
" Everybody has a plan, until they get hit." ...... Mike Tyson
@Shi idk Everybody on that grind for YT likes!
Or, some realise the importance of a plan after being hit.
@Shi idk Metaphor !
I hope the Afghan people get the peace they deserve. A people can only suffer so much. Love from Germany.
Just send more military men to die in wars for women they don't even know - theory
@@lightghost7524 uh, no?
@@Coastfog That's the mainstream narrative, and by extent what normies think.
They won't.
Just like D Day in Normandy?
Another South Vietnam the taliban is eventually going to take everything and the military, affluential, rich, religious and ethnic minorities will all flee abroad
True. And usually it's the best and the brightest immigrate. So it's a win for the USA. Let the religious bigots stay in their native country.
@@raylopez99 they’re not all going to be the best and brightest a lot of them are going to end up across the Middle East/Asia and in migrant camps in Europe stuck in poverty
india already bought a bill to take all those minorities here and give them citizenship
Lol
@@oksowhat yeah lol that everyone was against before but now we know why it was important
7:48 Improper helmet handling will cause the afghan army losing the fight against the taliban.
XD
Obviously wasn't paying attention to grooming standards...
70.
Secure them MOOOOOOSTACHES!!!!
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It’s amazing to see the next gen afghan soldiers are willing to defend their country as it should be. They can’t rely on U.S. anymore and shouldn’t . We were their too long. I served 2012-2013 and we were breaking down COPs and FOBs. Losing 11 American lives while there, was extremely sad and to this day it breaks my heart to lose them. It’s mind blowing what has happened to Afghanistan. Prayers for them and hoping to see the afghan people prosper in the future.
Thank u for destabilizing a entire region ..
They have no will to defend their democracy. The democracy is something only exist in protestan religion countries.
now go serve in russia please and help the world to get rid of this new nuclear power country .
"Serving in and saving civilians "
The only job the Americans do know very well is crushing and killing the people ,
You had lost just 11 of your friends and still sad for them ,you're an animal and inhumane to be sad for them because they were not friends they were murderers .
America can't handle the taliban
I can see the high morale in the eyes of those soldiers. God bless the Afghan people
@toki hiko but they recaptured it
@toki hiko Correction: The Afghan soldiers largely retreated from the Taliban assault on Kunduz before beginning their counterattack. With the back-up support of America special forces , Afghan soldiers pushed back into the city. Regardless of how the Afghans may have felt about Americans troops, there was always an understanding of the importance of American support. Furthermore, you are exaggerating when you say "countless" advisors were killed by Afghan troops. This happened a select number of times for differing reasons, commonly due to insurgent infiltrators posing as coalition supporters behind enemy lines.
@toki hiko Using civilians as their shields is the only thing that makes it difficult to eradicate the Talibans. Iran is behind terrorism in the middle east
9:38 - she got them so hyped up lol
@@teatualasi5676 how come Iran supports them when they almost went to war with the Taliban regime before 9/11 and the Hazara genocide has been a bone of contention for a long ass time.
Some of them are fighting cuz they've lost someone and all of them are fighting cuz they don't wanna lose anyone else.
Pretty Accurate 💯💯
@@joelkoffi2806
Really ?
Many of these pro-American Afghan forces are involved in bacha bazi.
@@jalidmir4732 what’s that ?
Just like the taliban, some of them fighting because thyeve lost family because of ANA and the US. hell its not even uncommon.
PEACE, PROSPERITY, BONANZA, WISDOM, FREE THINKING, OPTIMISM
Homie is like, "Death and fear are nothing to me." I'd love to have that guy defending my friends, family, and homeland.
It's just talk. The guy hasn't even been in combat yet.
@@Germfish Yeah ur prolly right.
There are for sure guys like that defending your homeland
@@Germfish although you're probably right, the guy is Afghan, and I'm not Afghan myself but I do know that those guys are a different breed when it comes to fear and battle.
These people (specifically the Taliban) are savages. They don't believe in individual rights, freedom of or from religion. They are corrupt, violent neanderthals. You want nothing to do with them.
These guy's we're just in cosplay the whole time.
you think you are not? think again
You are right
I served in Afghanistan and my heart breaks and I am genuinely conflicted thinking about the possibility that the thing we spent so much blood and treasure over to prevent( a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan) may come to pass and I also truly feel for what that would mean for the Afghan people who genuinely want a better, more free and just future for themselves and their children. But at the same time I roll my eyes and sneer at the Afghan govt officials saying " it came alot sooner than we hoped or we were not ready". They had 20 YEARS to get ready. They have been lazily relying on ISAF to do everything for them(while also glutting on our money) for far too long. The govt there is one of the most corrupt in the world and its also grossly incompetent. The fact that they have not been able to keep what we sacrificed so much taking for them is not on us, its on theyre failures as leaders.
Do you mean that USA and ISAF are protecting the most corrupt government in the world?
I agree with the points you have made but unfortunately Americans brought in the same people who were responsible for civil war to highest government seats. Civil war came about due their selfish objectives about power and money. Unfortunately I hope we find a way out of this noneses. Unfortunately, I don't see it as many of the government leaders are already taking sides as they did back in 1980's. sadly, people will welcome Taliban again not because they are progressive but they can at least they can provide some sort of security from thieves and warlords. Worrying times lie a head of Afghanistan 😓😓
That's because 95% of the government are the northern alliance people.
@@danasulistya5383 first off I said one of not THE most. by the global index its usually between Somalia or South Sudan that takes that dubious honor. And yes we have been supporting a corrupt govt and not holding them to task because we didnt have many options.
I can tell you from personal experience corruption there is not just a one tribe or regional problem. Plenty of Pashtun leaders get they're cut of the pie as well.
Look at that sharp-looking suit-wearing security advisor dude, he may have spent more time in NY and London than in Afghan!
I agree, they are freeloaders
He had indeed, London educated, then Afgahn ambassador to the US
My thought exactly. You can see he has no interest in helping the country, he just want a check and when things gets hot a ticket to bail out to another country. Prob the West.. this formula never fails: sharp looking minister in a poor and war torn country= corrupt and selfish
@@Drskopf Forgot to mention he's a british citizen, he'll probably get a cozy job at a top british university after the national government collapses under the Taliban, where he'll teach peace and state building to the next generation of delusional western leaders
@@AlvaroMF13 why this doesn't surprise me!!!! Saludos desde Nicaragua👋👋
In the 60's, Afghanistan was the place to visit for travellers and hippies alike. Then it turned into a war zone that still exists to this day. My educated guess is that successive foreign interference messed this country up real bad.
Without foreign intervention they'd be fine. The Russians, the Wahhabists, and the Westerners are all foreign interlopers. With that, they'd still be very poor and mostly rural but they'd be happy without people from other countries telling them how to live.
@@HavanaSyndrome69 they were way better off with the soviets than anything that came after. It was a secular country with relative equality between women and men. Just check out photos of Kabul from that era.
Damn y'all blame everyrone but Taliban and radical Islamists
@@rajeevparmar8844 yeah, all propaganda photos like the PRNK making a "show" of propaganda to tourists who comes visit their nation when the reality is actually different. That secularity and equality came in exchange of their freedoms.
@@nicolasceresoli9121 How do you define "freedoms" though? By Western European/North American standards, I'd argue Afghanistan wasn't free before, during or after Soviet times so not sure what kind of point you're trying to make there. It's the same bs we see peddled by the American media regarding countries in the middle east they've "liberated" - places like Syria, Iraq or Libya were much more prosperous for the vast majority (not to mention secular with womens rights) before western military intervention led to and even aided the rise of radical islamist groups and movements which have decimated much of the middle east and other countries in south asia like Afghanistan.
Afghan military is no doubt a peace of joke
Good luck to the Afghan soldiers who sided with US, you're in the same position as south Vietnam when US left and that didn't end well
We will see. I have a feeling that the Taliban will suddenly be a lot less unified once the US leaves and at least some factions will be interested in meaningful negotiations. The Taliban has no centralized government behind it. The central government is probably weaker than the South Vietnamese government was but the population under that government might be more willing to fight to avoid Islamic extremism than the Vietnamese cared about mild communism.
Bu-but the soviets left afghanistan and look how it turned out
@@peterisawesomeplease The problem I see here is religious indoctrination. As long as they fiercly believe in their version of the big man in the sky and that their people are in some way traitors towards him and thus stand in the way of their theocracy, blood will be spilled. It would require some seriously strong religious leaders in their case to bring peace to them, or another enemy they can unify against.
We should take them in.
@@RevCode it's not about religion, they are using religion as a tool but both sides know very well it's not about religion, same thing with Osama it was never about religion, the original purpose was to remove all forgien superpowers from the middle east, they kicked the Soviets, the french, the british, and now the are kicking out the U.S
It was never about religion
As an American vet I really hope Afghanistan can get better and their people can live in peace I’d love to visit some day
Not with Islam
@@acemandave7726 wdym? R u talking about the Taliban or the Afghan government fighting against the Taliban?
@@muhammadharris8176 the religion of peace
@@acemandave7726
Ok so this topic is about America on Afghanistan and now your talking smack about Islam? Get a life
Amen to that Adam saenz
Security Advisor- This US pullout has caught us by surprise.
My guy it’s been 19 years.
exactly its been NINETEEN YEARS if anything I would be caught by surprise to its like the US troops were never going to leave
He was a child 19 Years ago. There was no such thing as a Afghan democracy 19 years ago, there was no such thing as an Afghan army 19 years ago. It takes a generation to build such a thing. Afghan enlightenment is in its infancy. Yes the war has been 19 years but 13 of those 19 years has been Strictly US vs Taliban. 6 years is not much time to build a strong army vs a opportunistic evil.
@@lumiii1171 not out issue. They wanted us out. We left. They die. Not out fault. Cant remove a bullet proof vest.. Get shot then blame the vest..
The U.S. government has only been in talks with the Taliban since the Trump admin though. Which is probably what he means.
Ronan Farrow (Journalist) who worked for Hilary Clinton during the Obama years states in his book "War on Peace" that a senior member of the Taliban asked to negotiate with the Obama admin on U.S. withdrawal.
He also explains the Obama admin shut the idea down. As they saw it as a negative concept when Obama was running for re-election.
Trump was told about this soon after taking the presidency. He then sent Mike Pompeo to Afghanistan to negotiate terms between the Taliban and the Kabul government.
It went no where. The Taliban asked for majority seats on an Afghan parliament as well as resignation of the President of Kabul.
When the Kabul government said these were non starters the Taliban began targeting schools where Girls attend. Including bombings on UN Humans rights workers from Kabul.
The U.S. leaving now does nothing positive for Kabul. It will simply return to how Afghan has gone for thousands of years. Tribes fighting one another.
@@fatboifrmdatwon4868 you’re a youtube warrior writing we left the died, bet you are not even old enough for the army
"Afghan soldiers have high competence and morals".
Me starring at this: 7:49
Morals maybe, competence? Would depend on your definition of being competent
We go in and everyone wonders why we are there. We leave and everyone wonders why we are leaving...
And now usa is being Invaded from southern border by children, at Tax payer's expense We are truly living in the age of Insanity 😫
@@berzerker1100 The U.S should not accept everyone at the border. But its important to understand why they come by the thousands. People are kidnaped, kids beheaded, skinned alive etc. Ive seen a video in mexico where they chopped this guys limbs off with a dull blade. One buy one, arms then legs. Then they cut him open and took his beathing heart out while still alive.
Cartels are like a plague, and alot of people dont want to be anywhere near it. And ofcourse drug dealers etc want to cross the border aswell. But im just trying to illustrate why it all makes sense.
@@babyboijeremy Cartels are only so powerful because of Americas hunger for drugs
We fucked it up and now we want to leave, we must leave them as we found them not worse.
@@lyssanch3096 Neither America nor drugs are the main form of income for the cartels. They profit more from southern America and Mexico by human trafficking, gun trafficking, as well as regular businesses and especially tourists attractions. If you to Mexico as a tourist and visit some of the tourist attractions, there is a chance you are putting your money in a cartels pockets.
I was born in the US but grew up in Mexico. Don’t talk out of your ass if you don’t know what you’re talking about. And the fact that you blamed America like that without knowing the truth shows how entitled you are. If you live in the US you should be grateful because of how great it really is, far from perfect, but I promised myself I will never ever live in Mexico again. And everyday I thank god for giving me the opportunity to be here.
Lmao let me rephrase what that Afghan national security advisor guy said.
"Oh sh!@# I have to actually do my job now and I don't really have a winning strategy"
man as soon as i saw him show up on screen sipping his latte with his ray-bans on I let out an audible laugh. THIS is the national security advisor?? Based on what was he chosen for that job? He'll be long gone in another country as the Taliban rolls up Kabul. Honestly, pretty sad seeing these grunts that have our ideas in there heads and ready to die for it, because they're definitely going to die. Afghan leadership is.... well not a thing apparently.
Right
Right
Lol
Spot on 👏👏😂😂
I can fully see other nations like Russia or China stepping in to gain regional influence.
Regardless, I wish the Afghan people the best. I hope they win their struggle.
I can definitely see China being the next major power fighting in Afghanistan
@Jake Anderson China has the 3rd best military
Good luck to those poor kids from china conscripted to fight the taliban and Afganistan civilian caught in the crossfire. None of them wanted war yet they got no choices standing in the middle of this.
The Chinese politician get their military contracts, the taliban got free recruitment from the family of "collateral casualties"
This is messed up
@Jake Anderson what do you mean USA wasn't fighting Afghanistan they were fighting the Taliban
@@DataArchiveUnit of what empires lmao Russia that's it
"The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war.”
- Julian Assange (2011)
Anyone who has seen Vice’s documentary “this is what winning looks like” knows how utterly useless it has been to stay in Afghanistan. If afghans truly don’t want the taliban they damn well better take then seriously and be prepared for conflict.
that's the problem. Those "Afghans" who don't want the Taliban aren't exactly what you would call the people. They're the handful of Kabulians who was raised in a Pro American Kabul. For them the Taliban were always the Bad guys, for the majority of the Rural Afghanis, the Americans were the occupiers.
Remember, it wasn't the Afghanis who requested the world to oust the Taliban, it was a US dicision
@@omairshafiq1998 exactly. If afghans want a taliban controlled government then it is inevitable that they will take over. The US could be there for a thousand years and that won’t change.
@@wigsmey4462 an all out war would end it within a year
@@wigsmey4462 part of the reason the politician in the documentary was taking a soft posture despite the journalist pointing out the loses Kabul was taking. Kabul knows it lost and wants to find an easy way out, because believe me this seems very much like the 1970s.
I don't think the Taliban are stupid enough either to let go of an opportunity easily after 20 years of grueling war.
What I believe they are afraid of is exactly what the US did in 1989-1992 after the Soviets retreated. The US left without making a government and that led to Civil war, the Taliban and everyone actually wants things to go slowly but so that the result is a very strong pact.
@@vsluj3508 End what exactly?
This is a giant advertisment to supply afghanistan with weapons and equipment. Don't get it twisted.
yeah but is that a bad thing tho?
Someone has to give these brave Soldiers the funding, equipment, and training to defend against the Taliban.
Or it’s the real perspective of the Afghan people. Just because they want or even need these things doesn’t mean we can or should supply it. We have to stop denying the reality of our actions. Pulling out of Afghanistan will leave them with less support. That doesn’t mean we should stay in an endless war.
@@austin523mexico we literally gave the taliban the weapons and training in the 80s
@@eb4241 for sure... Every 3rd world country would do better if they had military equipment from the US. All of them. Should we give them all equipment and how much should we give them. We gave them about 20 years worth of personal support and equipment
I’m a Kurd and I feel such a deep sadness seeing this I grew up with Afghans in Germany and I honestly couldn’t relate more with any other people I will pray everyday for your country’s fortune please stay strong
La Illaha ilAllah
We love Kurds, our Iranic brothers, same people same group
nice name mate
@@minonasri3730 They're not the same people. Kurds, Persians and Pashtuns all have their own distinct cultures and religious practices. Merely belonging to a common linguistic group alone doesn't make people "the same".
@@AlphaMaverick1111 no one is out here talking about culture 😂😂😂😂🤦🏻♀️ were all one group because we are all Iranic. Tajiks, afghans, Iranians and Kurds. Afghan farsi speakers are also Persian because that’s an ethnicity not a nationality khar🤦🏻♀️ go get educated
@@minonasri3730 You're the one who needs to be educated and sound like the sort of typical Persian chauvinist. Iranic refers to a linguistic group and has nothing to do with genetics or having "common origins."
People who are "the same" share a common culture. Pashtuns share a common culture. Kurds share a common culture. Persians share a common culture.
No Kurd is going to identify as a Persian just because they come from an ethnic group that speaks a language that belongs to "the Iranic language family". Its far more complicated than that
A Mongol origin Hazara has more in common with a Persian than a Pashtun does, based on language, culture and religion.
No disrespect to the Afghan army in Kabul, but your video has aged like spoiled milk.
We were going to withdraw in May, but then Biden announced that we would leave by September. This pissed everyone off. Then, in August, the Biden administration gave the order to pull out rapidly, leaving dozens of weapons behind and plentiful ammunition, metric tonnes of cash (which were likely used for bribes during the war), and other equipment up to helicopters which the Taliban have proven that they can fly. We left soldiers and citizens behind in enemy territory, wtih very strong words against the Taliban, but no follow-through. Since these events, ISIS has regained some guts and started going after people trying to leave, setting off explosions where hundreds of civilians were gathered. What a colossal failure. It is my hope that this failure dogs the Biden admin for the entire term.
This is the moment when you realise global politics are way more compliacted than the 14 yrs old think
14 yo just know their tik tok their political opinions never made any sense
14 year olds on tiktok are busy arguing on tiktok on who to blame
And way more complicated than the 24 year olds think...
And way more complicated than the 34 years olds think...
@@808lilglo6 Fr man even tho
I’m 17 but I’m way more mature and I see it how it actually is
The guy speaking at 9:30 is a fkn patriot! Love seeing his commitment to his country! God bless these Afghan soldiers. May they defeat the lame Taliban!!!
Lame Taliban?? Good chunk of these soldiers are probably training to eventually defect to Taliban lmao 😆. Funny how most of you sitting thousands of miles away so casually pass judgement on lands you never heard of before 😆
@@Adrien1x it seems you've been watching too much 60 minutes DoD approved "Journalism" and not too familiar with facts on ground.
@@Adrien1x he’s right, most of them will defect, the taliban is too strong, the guys won’t die for a fight they won’t win, defection to the taliban is nothing new, it’s been an ongoing problem in the ANA for a while now
It also looks like he’s being interviewed in front of his whole platoon so obviously he’s gonna say he’s willing to die for his country
Fuc* Taliban
God bless and protect these boys.
If God is real, he's a moron.
May Allah bless these men for protecting Afghanistan from the Taliban .no true Muslim wants sharia law !
@@Redactedlllllllllllll redditor neck beards are always lurking for any comments that even slightly mention God
justasingledoor it’s amazing too, it doesn’t even matter if you’re like say a leftist Christian either, they’ll still dog pile you and act like they are just the best people despite how they act, or even because of it.
Is anyone going to mention the beautiful reporter..my God what a woman
"Death and fear are nothing to me."
Did these guys believe what they were saying? Or were they telling us what we wanted to hear?
Sounded scripted to me, no passion, no belief, just empty words; but it's Hard to decide when you're not familiar with the language.
It was clearly a script
I wish these brave young men luck. Things could get crazy.
They have been propped up by American army for 20 years. How can the be brave?
@@courierton9217 wake up man.
God give the Afghan army the strength an wisdom to win this fight.
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@@shah4318 all the Taliban does is Hide like cowards 🤣
@@shaneintegra coward are you people . whole world is making fun of you so called sooper powers.
God is with the Islam they have to submit to Allah instead of relying on America
@@shah4318 don't be very confident brother.! without Allah you are nothing!
US left billions of dollars of equipment like we always do. Where is it now? Most likely sold. Corruption is the problem.
Usually, it goes like this: "US gives the army weapons" > "Army loses said weapons by either FLEEING THE BATTLEFIELD or getting defeated" > "Americans or the British (whoever is closer) now has to go and blow up these weapons" > "Afghan army complains about the lack of equipment"
Why, it's going to the victorious Taliban, of course.
Same problem with Iraq. We gave them lots of hardware just for Islamic state to snatch it all away.
@@rholt7551 Yea the fall of Mosul in 2014 was just.. wtf.
The billions were already distributed into the warmongers' accounts and all these equipment that are left behind or 'lost' amounts to a mere fraction of the war budget.
At the beginning of the interview the commander was complaining about resources looked skeptical about his army and the Security advicer looked like a crooked afgan business man to me! Anyways the Taliban only took 5 days to gain power without firing a shot! Unbelievable
The security advisor is accused of alleged 'Treasury theft' along with Ashraf Ghani.
This country had 20 years to get its act together and still, they have so little to show for it. Now they are telling us that the US took all the minesweeping equipment, tech, and personnel away. I find this to be a very dubious statement and a lack of accountability on the Afghan soldiers who were trained during those 20 years. The people to be blamed are the greedy politician in positions of power, corruption, and those free-loaders who just wanted a wage and refused to fight when it counted... need I say more.
"I think we can convince them" "smile". What is done in the dark will be brought to the light.
Johnny cash?
@@nfrsfury3214 yes
Pakistan army defeated US army !!
@@mustafakabuli571 ?
@@mustafakabuli571 what?
This is literally South Vietnam all over again...
Except there's no boat route, and 2 the war will probably stay in civil war.
@@pudanielson1 Americans are only thinking of their own presence without internal issues (including for example Vietnam's issues with Cambodia that led to war or Afghanistan's issues with Pakistan regarding the British-made border)
@@ap.39315 Vietnam has issues with all their neighbors though, Cambodia, China, Laos even then lol it's the confucian way
Spoton
At least Vietnam eventually became unified. Can't see that happening with Afghanistan unfortunately
that last minute gave me goosebumps,
almost everyone have lost someone close to them to the war
This “new generation of soldiers” ran for the hills.
"your crush is looking, act normal"
me acting normal : 7:49
first time on the job
🤣🤣🤣
Training.
In old Vice report they claimed that many of these soldiers were rapists, robbers, and people with criminal backgrounds, or at least ordinary guy who pay a bribe to be soldiers or policemen.
They wont survive againts Islamist nationalist Taliban members who fought for free to get rid any invaders for the sake of their country and religion.
@@nanangsadullah8341 I'm not sure about 'many' of them being rapists, robbers .etc. that sounds quite far-fetched, but taking bribes is super common in Afghanistan yes. Corruption is very common amongst Afghan authorities and it starts from very top. How can your average police man or soldier with a minimal wage be expected to uphold morals when they see their superiors (and I mean all the way up to the top) partaking in corrupt activity. It's all about survival, and blaming the little guy is easy, it's about time the big players are called out. As for their chances against the Taliban, yeah they have a mentally, a dedication thats hard to match, thats for sure.
"Do you really believe the Taliban will ever support a democracy?"
"I think we can convince them"
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha
Well, they better. Because come September they will be on their own.
@@info.901 Wonder how your relatives should leave? Egypt has good weather I understand.
@@trevorlastname2139 ...I have already lost my relatives there in the war..
F democracy... they all over the world like covid
@@info.901 What Country supports the Afghani passport most? You could teach English in Pakistan? You speak and write well.
in retrospective the interview with the afghan "security adviser" is almost comical
hes probably dead now
@@josephlara2339 sad but true
He said he ll convince Taliban for a democracy 🤣🤣🤣 , wats a joke that guy is.
@@josephlara2339 hes probobly plotting with the highest bidder... Money corrupts.
Read the wikipedia article about him
Watching this makes me appreciate the power and strength of the US military. See the drill they are running at ~8:05; imagine how much more proficient even the most lackluster crew of marines would have cleared and secured that room. No comparison.
They buckled to the taliban ...rotfl
Amen, we gave them training but their is so much we can do, they need to have that fire to fight for their country and they succumbed to the taliban to quickly I know a few friends that trained afghans on their tours and they explained how difficult it was and many of them didn’t take the training to seriously
So powerfully they withdrawed from Afghanistan .they too weak for taliban
“This area is controlled by the government”
Me a vet:”laughs comically”
Taliban:”laughs comically”
ANA:”Take me serious you guys”
Ah, the good ole days: sunny with a chance of bullets and a high chance of green on blue.
20 years, billions of dollars...
Yeah, I had to correct the guy after 3:30 when he said the Taliban could take some provinces ... _some more_ , d00d. www.longwarjournal.org/mapping-taliban-control-in-afghanistan
really hope they teach them to aim and stop shooting the wall.
@@mattelios607 correction, trillions.
To be honest I am impressed with how far they’ve come.
But this is what they want you to see. What they're aren't telling you is that they sometimes cooperate with the Taliban.
me too until they left and withdrew
Why do you think every other race is stupid and primitive
@@icemike1 ridiculous ain't it oh, they just want our futuristic weapons so they can use use them against us in the future
@@Jonwayne777Iloveyouall you don't have a monopoly on technology
God help you afghan people . Peace is always worth fighting for .
God doesn't exist. But the armies of NATO do.
I wonder if there is an NGO we could send a lot of metal detectors to, and other landmine removal tools.
@@MrCmon113 To you atheist God doesn’t exist.
Taliban was never gone, never defeated in the last 20 yrs
“the capabilities we have built over the last 20 years have equipped us to do the job relatively well”
*gets overtaken in under a week*
Facts
Under a day 🤣
@@pullingthestrings5233 It's not funny. This is heartbreaking.
@@drippooh and what it's the US fault? No. This was inevitable because the army of 300 K refused to fight back a Taliban army of 75 k. The US lost to much money and time preparing soldiers there and when we leave we are the bad guys? They need to learn to fight for their country.
Ohh but its the United States fault 😅
My prayers to those Afghans fighting to preserve their freedom and country.
Every tribe including the Taliban believes that…
Most powerful country in whole universe failed to provide freedom from a tribe fighting with Ak47. Shame
@@amraizjaved4465 Is that what you think the goal was? The US mission was to get Bin Laden, that's it. Overthrowing Taliban rule came with the territory, mission was accomplished in both endeavors. The US stayed long enough to help the people of Afghanistan rebuild their security and military forces to fend for themselves against those would be oppressors. What the hell makes you think we need to stay any longer. We got what we wanted. Bin Laden at the bottom of the ocean. Fish food. A bunch of tribes with AKs is of no consequence to the US. But if they actually wanted a real fight, they would stop using innocent women and children for cover and act like real men.
We did all we needed to do. Afghan had 19 years of US help to get their act together. Time for them to live it now.
So GTFOH with that BS.
@@ryanarchibald2907 Most of them wouldn't know what freedom was if it walked up and smacked them in the face. Most of them only know religion based oppression. Government sanctioned raping of women and chopping their heads off.
@@greezythumb
Sounds like a great use of tax payers dollars instead of fixing our own issues
Seeing the abandoned camp made my jaw drop. That's such a difference, I'm shocked.
3:40 You know that part of every James Bond movie where you think, "hmmm, this guy could be playing both sides...."
When I was 9 years old my country invaded Afghanistan, and now they are finally leaving. It's sad to see all the problems that still exist, and I really wish peace and justice would flourish in this beautiful country.
To be clear, I'm not excusing the US/UK role in the problems facing Afghanistan dating back to funding the mujahideen in the 1980's, nor the Taliban for their repressive views of women and civil society
At least you guys were able to do your part with helping build schools and roads and hospitals and medical centers and help stabilize the countries government as much as possible. Why focus on just the negatives you cynic
they're not leaving
They withdraw is bad for afganistan. i know they're not good peoples but Taliban is more worse then US.
@@Nesqwikz I don't focus on the negative, but I won't ignore reality and from what I can tell little progress has been made in the lives of many Afghans. Maybe I'm wrong
@@Fin4L6are We'll see I suppose
I thought the US left them tons of equipment. That Afghan Advisor probably sold them to make himself rich!!
They left them in the empty defected bases that are now occupied by talibans.
@@molaomar1366 no they didn’t, they left them a 1 billion$ base airport, and 3.5 million equipment that includes food, water, bullets, vehicles and once they left everything was scavenged by soldiers to try to sell, or take for themselves.
@@Sora_Nai bruh that’s nothing honestly, you might have served in the military, and if you did you should know that the equipment is expensive and most likely they left them with shitty equipment because even US soldiers don’t do the maintenance right… but I don’t know anything, 68W here
@@araperez4015 3.5 million equipment is nothing are you stupid. It had the value of over $10 billion with a $1billion base. That included over 5000 tons of food. Over 2000 vehicles. And you say that is nothing.
US literally spent triliioners... tunnels , roads and so on
Wasn't everyone crying a few years ago about "pull the troops out!"
Yeah since they were stealing and said that it was help we only need the stuff that the Americans has not them selfs since they aren’t even on our side
I can't help but to feel sorry for those Afghan soldiers who genuinely wanted to fight to get rid of the Taliban, only for them to be let down by those many who weren't motivated: same thing happened with Afghanistan as happened with South Vietnam. VICE did many stories in Afghanistan showing those true soldiers who were doing their job with what little they had - like that one Afghan sapper who was demining roads with his bare hands saying he was doing it because he hated the Taliban and would be ready to give his life so that civilians didn't have to die because of their IEDs (he died doing his job later), or the officer named Hamid Khan who showed all the qualities of a proper officer and even forces from the USA who worked with him said he was one of the best Afghan officers, but many men under his command were acting like idiots : /
I was travelling in metro of New Delhi this month , I saw a old lady with her two daughters sitting in front seats that lady didn’t seem Indian and was smiling when I saw her , I asked her from where she was she told me that she was a Afghani taken refugee here in Delhi , she told me her long story how there home was devasted by this never ending war and how they came here in India it was Very depressing listening whole story , then she told me that there are thousands of them like her in their area, this really made me to go and see one time what it is like , when I went there that whole place was a mini Kabul , there were naan shops everywhere Afghani dresses , food and signboards . Refugee people’s are always a problem in India where politics also revolved around refugees from Bangladesh and Pakistan but Afghanis are never involved they are one of the most adorable people in Delhi , I hope that everything becomes fine at their home, although Afghanistan is the same country that have plundered India many times in the past but now majority of Indians and Afghanis Love and respect each other. Bhagwan aapko khush Rakhee , hope everything will be fine soon
Thank you Rupin Bhai for the candid words. The whole new generation of Afghans is educated in Indian Universities and still studying on private and scholarships schemes and we have high respect for our fellow Indian brothers. Actually we are caught in neighbors' geopolitics. Pakistan gives India hard time in Kashmir ... then India gives Pakistan hard time in Waziristan through Afghanistan. it is like you create problem here... I create problem there. We get close to India... Pakistan gets unhappy ... We get close to Pakistan.... India gets unhappy. May God solve this conundrum. Prayers for your and other Indians going through hard times due to Corona these days.
@@muzaffarsafi281 Thank you bhai.... I'm from india and i pray to Mahadev that peace comes to Afghanistan.
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@@_UCS_SwapnilSahaiSrivastav Thank you Captain Bhai. We have high respect for Indian brothers. They have been in much thick and thin beside Afghanistan. Lets pray peace prevails in this region and all Indians, Pakistanis and Afghanis travel like brethern and good humans to each others regions and our economies flourish. It all depends on the political will and undetstanding among masses and common people.
"To be America's enemy is dangerous, to be America's friend is fatal" - indeed!
Genius quote
Because once they are done with you they literally pull the foundation from beneath your feet.
Fact😤
Afghanistan was never a friend of the U.S. Even Vice had documentaries about how they sabotage equipment to sell, skip out on paying troops, and use money for public works on themselves.
They got more funding than germany after world war 2 - They never had any intention of being an ally. This was bound to happen.
The U.S didnt fail. Afghanistan failed. Again. Ultimately, they will be the ones who suffer, not americans.
america is finished, they just live on 'borrowed time'
Wishing the best of luck to all the Afghan soldiers!! Hope you guys accomplish your mission and praying for minimal causalities! 🙏🏼
You can donate them if you really wanna help.
@@iche9373 naah don't hope much. The Talibans will easily dismantle them
@Gamer Boy alhumdolillah
@Gamer Boy my bad bro, i thought you were in my side
But i have to say you are the victim of media conspiracies. Go find informations from both sides, find some original sources from Taliban sources; Alemarah media, Emirate of Afghanistan, etc. Analize them, think, and observe
@Gamer Boy perhaps you have afghani friends, but i bet dont have any friends even met any afghanis who are in Taliban side, or at least agree with Taliban ideas, those people are true Afghanis who stay in their country because they love their land and religion, people of honesty, and undefeated warriors.
The Soviet withdraw was more organized and they cooperated with the Afghan government with an organized transition of power and the Afghan government fell 3 years after the withdraw. The US withdraw was unorganized and they cooperated with the Taliban, the Afghan government fell within a week.
I wish my Afgan brothers peace and prosperity for next thousand years. Love from India. 🇦🇫💚🇮🇳
You wish. Taliban gonna back and create peace.
@Knight Rider Dumb
@Knight RiderHere's a propaganda man .
I hope india get recovery from covid19. Pray for your country
@@brothermohdhanif375 thanks brother
Afghanistan has 2 decades to get into shape. That advisor is a clown
The US probably gave them plenty of money, equipment, and training over the last several years too
Love and peace to Afghanistan 🇦🇫 form Canada 🇨🇦 I have faith in you.
@Xi Jinping - Father of America 🤣🤣🤣🤣
US living Afghanistan is one of the best things happened to the people of this country. Though I must say, previous government losing power in a week was one of the most disgraceful and pathetically quick ways to lose.
They withdrew because they were about to instigate a bigger one. Ukraine.
It's not a coincidence that the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the war in Ukraine happened less than a year apart from one another. It's also not a coincidence that the President of Ukraine so happened to be an actor when it met Biden to join NATO. The media doesnt point that out because its too obvious how it all connects.
I suggest you listen to these youtube channels for a different perspective. They in my opinion makes more sense than the media:
1) The Duran (black background with yellow eagle symbol)
2) Gonzalo Lira the roundtable
3) George Galloway
4) The New Atlas
5) Garland Nixon
6) Patrick Lancaster
7) Scott Ritter
You dont have to watch all of it but just listed a few of the alternative sources of information and analysis. I hope you'd give it a shot. You're free to disagree with all their points if you think it doesnt make sense but just try and hear them out.
Taliban 🏳️🤍