TBH. I had some doubts about whether I should upload this one or not. In the end, I decided to upload all of AC's works that I can. I have a feeling this one will get mixed responses, but I hope we can keep the discussion healthy.
Thank you for uploading!! I indeed find this one, or at least the character of Nan, insufferable, but so what? Agatha Christie is a genius and clearly many people love this story. It’s interesting to see various phases of an artist’s work. I’m not a fan of this one, but I still appreciate you uploading. 🙏🏽
I thought it was wonderful and I'm glad you did. I am a life long, avid Christie fan. I find it fascinating how independent and evolved she really was, considering this was 100 years ago now! People are so shallow today and not able to grasp the nuances or read between the lines, so to speak. They only want to focus on calling out John for liking young girls but that is so far from the point. From that time and even through the 70s, Marrying and beginning a family before 20 years old was the norm. At that time, you were a spinster if you weren't married by 30. Christie laid out all the evidence, I just don't think people have fertile imaginations anymore because they don't read enough. Love and passion was a fleeting notion that only happened in silly movies or in the last chapter of a book but is not sustainable. Predictability and stability and being provided for were the characteristics to strive for in those times. Honestly, we should probably have more of that now And we wouldn't have such a broken society. Funny for me to say that, as I am a dreamer and a gypsy at heart but there is something to be said for it. I really enjoyed the multigenerational perspectives on the situation and in the end the one true beacon of light,Nell, did in fact save the day, just not in the way that was originally intended. She represents truth and good, which prevailed against all the complexities. This is actually very deep and existential story if you can pull back the layers. I thought the acting was wonderful and I took note of how each generation had age in their voice. I imagined Nell to be beautiful and the mother to be stern and the granny to be wise. The romantic in me doesn't want Nell to marry Hayward in the end and I honestly felt that the story really was about her ultimately and her crossing the threshold of maturity in her own way, and becoming self actualized. Her clever mother helped her do that. Speaking back to the shallowness of today's culture and way of thinking, why the comments are coming down on John for his 17-year-old choices, what about Hayward wanting to marry a 17-year-old? So you see, not uncommon or odd for the times. I'd put John at about 27. I really enjoyed listening to this and it really had me thinking. It's even more wonderful to know that Agatha was able to channel her brilliance and as a therapy for her own life,write. What an exceptional person she was!
I thouht it was a marvellous, heartrending story and adaptation. Xxx In my opinion Agatha Christie always had insightful depth into human emotions, weaknesses, strength and betrayal. Thank you. Xxxx❤❤❤
That was heart-wrenching, but real, so very real. This is indeed how life works. We do what we must do and very rarely do we live our dreams. Wonderful story and narration. Brought me to tears, it did. We can only live in truth, no matter how difficult and painful that truth is.
Not only the roof over their head but the social standing that went with it, the food on the table, the clothes on their backs, the doctor’s bills. The ending was the only way that all survived.
Unexpected emotional range from Dame Agatha. However I couldn't stop thinking: "As played by Dame Celia Molestrangler and ageing juvenile Binkie Huckaback. Earthquakingly, mind bendingly, stomach turningly, heart stoppingly, knee tremblingly awful but somehow, wonderfully terribly real and yet somehow - unreal."
I love this one. At best John is an idiot and at worst he's a groomer and a creep, but I have hope that the younger sister got to be happy after all with that dear young man who loved her.
I must admit I dislike this dated, middle-class concept of romantic love, which was a fashionable conceit in the 1920s. I can’t imagine anything worse than being dependent on a man like John. He finds out his wife had dinner with another man (there is no proof of anything else) and decides on the spot to divorce her (although I think it highly unlikely he would have been able to get a divorce on such flimsy grounds). And some people say that married couples TODAY don’t take their vows seriously! Well John is perfectly happy to throw his neglected wife over at the drop of a hat so he can pursue her sister. Charming. I just couldn’t stand the man - and I didn’t think much of the disingenuous Nell either.
John completely lost interest in, drifted away from, and cruelly locked his wife out of his life, yes. He knew but didn’t care. Nell, on the other and, was young, naive, and innocent- just as her mother said. And still a child- until Nan asked her to lie for her. Nell didn’t understand, see, or realize John was neglecting Nan and giving all his attention to her. Nell had the purest heart. And in the end, was unable to do anything but tell the truth. Two very different people.
All I could see with this play was the cast sitting around a table taking it in turns to read the lines,no movement,no emotion just completely flat.A shame as it could have been so good.
A bit of a struggle, to be honest. The dialogue and therefore the acting isn't the greatest, although the bravery in the controversial (for the time) subject matter is admirable.
I beg to differ I find it quite introspective, honest & quite personal from Agatha Christie. This quite likely was the most difficult & painful story she ever wrote! I find it heartbreaking to think how hard it was to live & be a woman in those days without the freedom & elevated women have today & it's very, very sad.
I don't think it was ever meant for public consumption. It sounds like some kind of self-therapy, trying to see things from all sides and allowing fictional characters to work out the turmoil of her own life. She no doubt wished Archie would stay like John did. Luckily he didn't - she would have missed out on a long and happy second marriage that she couldn't possibly have forseen at the time. I wonder when this was written in relation to her own breakdown and temporary disappearance.
Thankfully, we no longer need to placate cold, manipulative men like that. Thankfully, women today understand that men are not capable of love (they really are not).
Anyone who has ever lived can most certainly identify with this intuitive drama about true life.
TBH. I had some doubts about whether I should upload this one or not. In the end, I decided to upload all of AC's works that I can. I have a feeling this one will get mixed responses, but I hope we can keep the discussion healthy.
Thank you for uploading!! I indeed find this one, or at least the character of Nan, insufferable, but so what? Agatha Christie is a genius and clearly many people love this story. It’s interesting to see various phases of an artist’s work. I’m not a fan of this one, but I still appreciate you uploading. 🙏🏽
I thought it was wonderful and I'm glad you did. I am a life long, avid Christie fan. I find it fascinating how independent and evolved she really was, considering this was 100 years ago now! People are so shallow today and not able to grasp the nuances or read between the lines, so to speak. They only want to focus on calling out John for liking young girls but that is so far from the point. From that time and even through the 70s, Marrying and beginning a family before 20 years old was the norm. At that time, you were a spinster if you weren't married by 30. Christie laid out all the evidence, I just don't think people have fertile imaginations anymore because they don't read enough. Love and passion was a fleeting notion that only happened in silly movies or in the last chapter of a book but is not sustainable. Predictability and stability and being provided for were the characteristics to strive for in those times. Honestly, we should probably have more of that now And we wouldn't have such a broken society. Funny for me to say that, as I am a dreamer and a gypsy at heart but there is something to be said for it. I really enjoyed the multigenerational perspectives on the situation and in the end the one true beacon of light,Nell, did in fact save the day, just not in the way that was originally intended. She represents truth and good, which prevailed against all the complexities. This is actually very deep and existential story if you can pull back the layers. I thought the acting was wonderful and I took note of how each generation had age in their voice. I imagined Nell to be beautiful and the mother to be stern and the granny to be wise. The romantic in me doesn't want Nell to marry Hayward in the end and I honestly felt that the story really was about her ultimately and her crossing the threshold of maturity in her own way, and becoming self actualized. Her clever mother helped her do that. Speaking back to the shallowness of today's culture and way of thinking, why the comments are coming down on John for his 17-year-old choices, what about Hayward wanting to marry a 17-year-old? So you see, not uncommon or odd for the times. I'd put John at about 27. I really enjoyed listening to this and it really had me thinking. It's even more wonderful to know that Agatha was able to channel her brilliance and as a therapy for her own life,write. What an exceptional person she was!
@@sbrooke210 I love all your words. Thank you
This was wonderful thank you.
No, don't stop - they all have their place.
I thouht it was a marvellous, heartrending story and adaptation. Xxx In my opinion Agatha Christie always had insightful depth into human emotions, weaknesses, strength and betrayal. Thank you. Xxxx❤❤❤
The best way to describe this wonderful story is BITTERNESS! Thank you for this most wonderful production!😊😢😊😢❤❤❤❤
Imagine being so bitter that you put hell on earth and goons ,Nazi ,doughs, and uranium lies. Everything is saved
This was an excellent story.
Very Good! "We wake from dreams.....this is life!"❤
No truer words spoken.
No wonder this remained ‘unknown’ for so long! Completely awful script driving poor delivery. Absolutely loved it 👍👍
That was heart-wrenching, but real, so very real. This is indeed how life works. We do what we must do and very rarely do we live our dreams. Wonderful story and narration. Brought me to tears, it did. We can only live in truth, no matter how difficult and painful that truth is.
Amazingly wise and human. Before l wound not think the ending was right, but now, as a grown woman with experience, l see that the mother was right.
Not only the roof over their head but the social standing that went with it, the food on the table, the clothes on their backs, the doctor’s bills. The ending was the only way that all survived.
Very intense. I liked it and the actor were amazing!
How interesting and down right human! She was definitely ahead of her time!
She was a woman OF her time. You do know that people were actually interesting and human in the 1920's, don't you?
@@carolyns99 why be so condescending? She was truly a revolutionary thinker and an independent artist when women weren't supposed to be that way.
Loved every minute of this audiobook ❤
Thankyou for sharing 😊
What a Wonderful Story❤ Thank you
I enjoyed listening to this ❤
Thank you❤
Loved it
A story of its time.
Brilliant
Great thank you!
Such a good story….
Unexpected emotional range from Dame Agatha. However I couldn't stop thinking: "As played by Dame Celia Molestrangler and ageing juvenile Binkie Huckaback. Earthquakingly, mind bendingly, stomach turningly, heart stoppingly, knee tremblingly awful but somehow, wonderfully terribly real and yet somehow - unreal."
Archly melodramatic.As Agatha was breaking up with the despicable bounder Colonel Christie for ( the other woman )
Bona
Yes.
Ha ha ha ! ! You got it in one.👍
@@dianesleeman5940but also possibly had some issues after WWI that exacerbated his narcissism
Loved it.
Dang, this one is very different than any other AC story.
I don't see where incest is happening here. Exchanging one sister for another - not incest.
Looking forward to this because the comments below are extremely diverse in opinion so I'm very curious ..
Nan,Nell
What a carry on 😅
Hadn’t heard this story before
Does anyone know the title of Rebecca Applin’s piano music?
John seemed to be an insensitive jerk. If he and Nell had eventually married, he'd tire of her, just as he had with Nan.
every detail in the description convinced me that I do not want to listen to this.
Devastatingly, and heartbreakingly, messy.
For people that dont like this theres an off button 😂
For its time, 100 years ago, this was the only ending that could socially suffice. Anything else would bring ruin to all.
Certainly puts the drama in drama. By the way incestuous involves blood kin. This was adultery.
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I love this one. At best John is an idiot and at worst he's a groomer and a creep, but I have hope that the younger sister got to be happy after all with that dear young man who loved her.
I must admit I dislike this dated, middle-class concept of romantic love, which was a fashionable conceit in the 1920s. I can’t imagine anything worse than being dependent on a man like John. He finds out his wife had dinner with another man (there is no proof of anything else) and decides on the spot to divorce her (although I think it highly unlikely he would have been able to get a divorce on such flimsy grounds). And some people say that married couples TODAY don’t take their vows seriously! Well John is perfectly happy to throw his neglected wife over at the drop of a hat so he can pursue her sister. Charming. I just couldn’t stand the man - and I didn’t think much of the disingenuous Nell either.
I took it as inferred that she spent the night with her date. John wasn't happy to throw his wife over at the drop of a hat, nor did he.
John completely lost interest in, drifted away from, and cruelly locked his wife out of his life, yes. He knew but didn’t care.
Nell, on the other and, was young, naive, and innocent- just as her mother said. And still a child- until Nan asked her to lie for her. Nell didn’t understand, see, or realize John was neglecting Nan and giving all his attention to her. Nell had the purest heart. And in the end, was unable to do anything but tell the truth.
Two very different people.
All I could see with this play was the cast sitting around a table taking it in turns to read the lines,no movement,no emotion just completely flat.A shame as it could have been so good.
OMG the histrionics 😂 So Victorian. If that woman had said my child one more time! 😡 I did enjoy it though
A bit of a struggle, to be honest. The dialogue and therefore the acting isn't the greatest, although the bravery in the controversial (for the time) subject matter is admirable.
FYI that is not a canadian accent from ant province
Only 5 mins in and lm already confused. Nan, Nell, John, Granny,(the two initial speaking ladies….)
Me too! Very strange.
Egad. please!! Poirot, where are you?
Not one of her best, rather monotonous till the end😮
John has a thing for 17 year old girls.
This is heavy and depressing AF. It was not time well-spent.
Who made you listen to it?
I'm sure author felt the same But sadly it was her life behind all the mysteries😭
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This makes women out to be liars and manipulators😳
As observed by a woman - so your point is?
As are men but thankfully not all men or women😮
Well?
Did you listen to the entire story? The main point repeated over and over was to tell the truth. And the end, the truth was told.
Oh dear, serios overacting 😢
What a bucket of horse manure!
What a stupid story.
It is an intensely personal story,based on her own inner tumult at the time.
I beg to differ I find it quite introspective, honest & quite personal from Agatha Christie. This quite likely was the most difficult & painful story she ever wrote! I find it heartbreaking to think how hard it was to live & be a woman in those days without the freedom & elevated women have today & it's very, very sad.
I don't think it was ever meant for public consumption. It sounds like some kind of self-therapy, trying to see things from all sides and allowing fictional characters to work out the turmoil of her own life.
She no doubt wished Archie would stay like John did. Luckily he didn't - she would have missed out on a long and happy second marriage that she couldn't possibly have forseen at the time.
I wonder when this was written in relation to her own breakdown and temporary disappearance.
Loved the play. I totally agree with you. 👍
Interesting. Thanks.😊
Thankfully, we no longer need to placate cold, manipulative men like that. Thankfully, women today understand that men are not capable of love (they really are not).
What you get from that is that the man was at fault and the women were blameless? Okay. 🤣
What a bucket of horse manure!!
Oh dear!!
Imagine if a man said that
@@doriellesoler7502, thankfully, I don't need to listen to what men say. Life is a billion times better that way, you know.