Ranking 2020 Costume Dramas on Historical Accuracy
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Chapters:
00:00 - the tiers
2:22 - Little Women
2:47 - Emma
3:05 - Mulan
5:49 - Belgravia
7:00 - The English Game
8:25 - Self Made
10:19 - Miss Scarlet and the Duke
11:36 - The Great
12:50 The Alienist
14:02 - Radioactive
15:46 - A Personal History of David Copperfield
17:13 - Antebellum
18:35 - Enola Holmes
20:12 - The Spanish Princess
20:29 - Ammonite
22:35 - Come Away
23:51 - Bridgerton
24:58 - Jingle Jangle
26:31 - Why Historically Authentic Costume is Actually Kind of Important
One of my favorite things about Bernadette is how she speaks like a private school headmistress but occasionally has contemporary slang and memeage sprinkled in her vernacular and does it seamlessly (pun intended).
Ikr, Bernadette speaks with a Posh kind of accent but with Modern slang. I remember having an English teacher, she was one of the Best teachers I've ever had, Bernadette really Reminds me of her
Spot on observation! Could not agree more
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She has a beautiful trans-atlantic accent
incredibly accurate, down to the "headmistress" part - when she sighed and asked, like, "what was this supposed to be?" for enola holmes, i literally had the exact feeling you get when a high school teacher asks you to stay after class and you *know* you didnt do a good job on your essay
"The women in this show are basically props." SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID.
Weren't we at one time or another just that??
@@CowGirlKat8691 no, woman did plenty of valuable things independent of how society viewed them.
Even "leisure class" adult women had more social/political standing than children (only ever taken to the public for prop purposes) from Aristotles Greece to Victorian England
Not that modern improve aren't valuable
@@fionafiona1146 unless they were royal children. Oh, and today's children and previous centuries children is two different categories, age wise, as in today we, at least in western society, do not think it is normal to a 14 boy to be a king and lead men to the battle, or 12 years old girl to get married...
@@chrissiek8706 they to were puppets, as long as their "advisors" kept them labeled as "children"
Not that modern 12-16 year old aren't similarly capable of running households or countries, our standards have raised
@@fionafiona1146 yes, we definitely raised standards for ourselves, letting children be children for a bit longer
There was a scene in Bridgerton where Daphne is changing, and she is shown wearing a corset with no under garments. All I could think was "Bernadette would not approve..."
i also thought, i remember bernadette talking about corsets, what would she think 😁
Me too! :D Also, the scene with her bruising from the corset made me wince.
@@SmallFaerie Right!? It looked so uncomfortable.
Sameeeee. Like I saw that corset scene where they were tight-lacing somebody and was annoyed as those would not be the appropriate period undergarments.
Oh that tight lacing scene was so unnecessary! Her waist wouldn't even be seen because the silhouette is empire *face palm*
Love that (damning) statement: "Literally Victorian. As in: The costumes take place in all seven decades of it".
that made me laugh so hard lol
I know, it's like everyone wore the hippie look for 70 years
Oh dear
As a Chinese, I rank Mulan as Panda Express Level
What does Panda Express mean?
@@danigeo5673 american chinese restaurant
Yeah, I heard that the architecture, makeup, hair and clothing were all this mishmash of Chinese fashions with no rhyme or reason beyond, it seems, ☆aesthetic☆ or some shit.
I assume you mean the RL one?
How would you rate the old animated one?
I almost died from choking after reading this.
Bernadette: "so this dress gives me a late 1800's feel."
Me, who knows nothing about clothes: "ah, yes, i see🤔"
Same
bruh same
Over 1k likes?! For this dumb joke?! This comment section is the best!😊💖
Ahaha, that's literally me watching any video ever. I never understand but pretend like I do.
Meeee😂
The only way I could tell the three older Bridgerton sons apart was by their side burns, lol
omfg same!! after 5 episodes i finally got it but it was so hard lol
they have different sideburns? XD I got Collin easy but Benedict and Adam? Anthony? The A one I mixed up at first.
@@lania2246 Who's Adam?
It's actually a running gag in the books that all eight siblings look very much alike.
What do you mean there were three??
Enola Holmes should have been in it's own category, "They Didn't Even Try."
God yes, they made Mycroft stupid even though he’s cleverer than Sherlock DID YOU READ THE BOOKS
Heh sorry for that rant just arggghhh
@@ef1876 i personnaly thinks it was so not like the book haha u think they made up they own story while including parts of the book in the move at least that's how I see it and yeah the costumes were not it lmaoo
I read the notes by the costume and I kid you not, she talked about using denim and Lycra for a ‘modern inspired athleisure look’ 😡😩
@@abacaxipineapple9147 That noise you heard, it was my forehead hitting the table.
Honestly? I think a lot of these films were ‘they didn’t even try’ as far as costumes- especially hair and makeup- though, I do wonder if any of that is due to lighting. Also, some makeup was poisonous (depending on when it takes place). Wasn’t it Elizabeth I of England who was slathering lead on her face? Or someone like that?
It was a cop out that they didn’t use a Chinese designer for Mulan. I was wardrobe supervisor in college and when we did a Chinese opera and about 5 teachers came from China to help with direction and costume design. I still remember a teacher explaining me to me in Manderin, which I do not speak, how to properly tie a sash. Anyway, if my University could do it, Disney could do it.
Is there something that this movie actually got right? They didn't even hire the right people!
You would think with them try to snuggle up to Winnie the Pooh they would get actual Chinese people
Disney could do it but the problem is they never want to. They've always taken the "easiest" route and the mainstream path, whatever appeals to the masses and little kids instead of being accurate in any manner. Their point would be "it is fantasy and as long as it is aesthetically pleasing..." that is all that matters.🤷🏻♀️
@@ebonyloveivory It's kind of insulting really to treat the film goer as dumb and ignorant. Reality is so much more interesting and exciting but I guess the bottom line is all about cost and making money.
@@10AntsTapDancing It is all about profit margins in the end, sadly. 😫 From what I notice, even if they spare no expense, they will gear towards visually stimulating ideas and focus more on the storylines instead of worrying about accuracy.😅
I feel like you needed a “...They didn’t even try” tier. Lol
Underneath "they ... tried" is an even worse tier "... but did they try tho?"
@@Ryujin713 *cough*EnolaHolmes*cough*
F**k yeah!!!!
yes for Enola Holmes .... I didn't watch the film, but I saw Katerina's review
"They Tried" is Bernadette's euphemism for "Hot Mess"
“Why is she wearing bronzer?” Killed me
Dear Bernadette, as a Chinese art historian I really appreciate that you acknowledged that there is a great deal of specialization inherent in studying the dress of different cultures and time periods. With Chinese dress, in particular, different types of dress tend to be associated with different dynasties. What people wore can be impacted by things we don't necessarily think about today. For example during the Tang Dynasty (7th-10th c.) women wore very thin, almost ethereal-looking, clothing. A famous type is the qixiong ruqun which would have been secured underneath the armpits. Whereas during the Ming Dynasty (14th-17th) women tended to wear long, pleated skirts and a long-sleeved blouse called aoqun that look much warmer. This is because the Tang Dynasty was one of the warmer dynasties and the Ming Dynasty was relatively colder. Even between the two dynasties that I tend to specialize in: the Ming and Qing there are quite a bit of difference in the clothing. The Ming dynasty was ruled by Han Chinese leaders and the Qing Dynasty was ruled by ethnically Manchurian leaders so you see the ways this translates into the clothing. The sleeves become more narrow rather than the wide Han-style sleeves because the Manchurians were nomadic people who rode horses and practiced archery. I think my issue with Mulan was less with the design of the clothing and more that it felt very surface level in its commitment to portraying "accurate" Chinese culture because it looked like a Chinese story but didn't feel like one. Not to mention the whole issue of shooting in Xinjiang while ignoring the Uighar concentration camps was a choice, Disney.
Also bonus fact! The image of the calligraphy of the ballad of Mulan you showed was written by Mi Fu, a famous Song dynasty calligrapher, who was by all accounts a total eccentric weirdo who liked collecting and inscribing on rock faces.
this is so interesting!! thank you
Just a fun fact about Marie Skłodowska Curie - she had one dress for years - as written in her biography by her daughter Eve:
'This dress, which she kept for years and years, to be transformed from time to time by a little dressmaker (...) Marie knew nothing of fashions and had no taste. But the discretion and reserve which were the very mark of her character saved her being conspicuous and created a sort of style in her dress'
(Eve Curie - 'Madame Curie, a Biography' page 230)
Ooooo...that's so interesting, and really adds a lot to fleshing out her character as a person. Today she'd totally be one of those lab rats with 5 of the same black everything, living on Huel and giving no fucks for a single thing that goes on outside the key-carded doors. :-D
Very interesting thx for sharing
Thanks for using her full name! 🙌
@@KatushkaM why is it important to use her full name? :o
@@CptBlm Well sometimes people forget that she's polish I even saw someone calling her british once. Since I am from Poland it's pretty obvious to call her by the full name.
gentleman jack: chef’s kiss costuming
ammonite: chef’s kiss costuming
me: ah, i see the sapphics have done it again
wlw are all about the aesthetics of it so like. when we're given control of aesthetics we go HARD for the Look^tm
I feel like if it’s a story about lesbians, everyone just gets to slide under the radar and avoid the executive micromanagers because they assume no one will want to see it. More creative control for the history-nerd designers and filmmakers! Best case scenario!
I was actually hoping that Portrait Of A Woman On Fire would be reviewed/ranked, even though I saw it last year
I wanted to see Dickenson ranked but I think it's 2019 not 2020 could be wrong though
@@MsVorpalBlade I think that's a 2019 film by US release date. I only managed to see it in '19 because I went to a festival though, it wasn't out in my country (UK) until February this year!
I think The Great's outfits are a design choice which match its other anachronisms. Like how the title cards say 'an occasionally true story', or how the dialogue mixes Shakespearean parody with 'fuck' every five seconds.
that show is chaotic and i love it. it is consistent in its chaos, if that makes sense
It's totally design choice... they tried to look "like russian" in 18 century. The dress for coronation and a "fantasy" by kokoshnik was look so weird ...
I watched Merlin and was internally dying at the sight of modern clothes and modern makeup. And I think Merlin would have really benefited from actual medieval clothes!
Same
True it could maybe be in "It was a design choice" as it takes place in a magical World. But the hair and makeup was very mordern
Ugh totally although I still enjoyed it so at least it was able to be overlooked, at least by a ten year old haha
The costumes, the makeup, the hair, the architecture, the saddles and briddles, the "ancient language of magic" ... there is very little in that show that is historically accurate. The acting is bad or mediocre, but none of them are phoning it in.... The plots are so-so... But it's silly and fun, and the bromance between Merlin and Arthur is adorable.
If it's supposed to be a retelling of the Arthurian tales it should set in the Dark Ages, not Medieval times.
On the "does it matter" question: I actually think showing historically accurate hair and makeup can be really valuable because it shows how arbitrary and changeable socially constructed beauty standards are. When you watch all these period pieces with historical clothing but modern hair and makeup, it creates a sense that today's styles are just this timeless definition of what a beautiful person looks like. On the other hand, when you see a gorgeous star wearing something that seems strange to our modern eyes, it reminds us of all the myriad ways a person can be beautiful. A greater appreciation for the diversity of human appearance is sorely needed in our society, so I think accurate hair and makeup is actually important.
I agree, but I guess there can be this tricky-to-navigate middle ground. If a character is particularly attractive or fashion-forward and that is relevant in-setting, then modern audiences need to know that, in-universe, other characters perceive them that way. It can be difficult to fully convey that given that we don't have the sensibilities of the time.
I watched a painting restoration video here on TH-cam where the guy removed an a painted-over face from an older painting -- one more modern era didn't find the woman beautiful so made her prettier by their standards! Was so cool to show how beauty has always always
As a hair and makeup artist I believe a lot these blasphemous instances are due to the actresses themselves not wanting to look “unattractive” by modern standards. You see this even in modern film & television shows. Whether it be characters who are stranded in the desert with their hair & makeup still perfect, or characters who are months or years into a prison sentence with perfectly bleached hair and false eyelashes. Many actresses, especially the older and more famous they are, have control over these things written into their contract. They’re not willing to look “unattractive” on camera no matter how unrealistic it is for the character.
@@zoeaargh do you have a link?
Great insight!
The fact that the thumbnail for Little Women is just a close up of the uggs absolutely sends me
I love Micarah Tewers review of Little Women, it's so chaotic, incisive, and has Bernadette's approval!
Except the uggs were never actually in the movie, wasn't that a production still someone took? The actress was clearly wearing them because they were more comfortable and not visible in the shot, anyway
@@Spelaea yep. Uggs are pretty common on-set footwear. You see them all the time in set pictures.
🤣🤣 I never noticed until she mentioned it in a video. It was pretty sad that it was intended in the film and not a mistake.
Micarah Tewers vid on little women was awesome! Costume CO is also a great channel and looks at fantasy, sci fi and so on.
I know it's older, but it would be good to hear your take on "Anne with an E". They talk quite a lot about what it's acceptable for different people (particularly women) to be wearing based on age and class. It would be interesting to know how accurate it is.
Abby Cox talked about it in her Not Like Other Girls video.
Didnt Bernadette already say in a previous review video ,,here’s my review: the costumes are fine” for Anne with an E?
I don't think I realized just how well Bernadette knows clothes until I watched this video. Her being able to tell a difference of a couple of years by the shape of the sleeves is like--well, my specialty is 50s-70s American vehicles, and this is like me knowing the difference between a '65 and a '66 C10 by where the badge is. And this woman's knowledge covers far more than 30 years and extends much farther back in history. What a legend.
I’m a costumer in film and television so I can add a little bit to your comment on The Great! From my experience the pilot/first episode is shot with a completely different team and sometimes a year in advance to the first season. Once a show is confirmed to be picked up then they hire the team for that coming season, sometimes it’s the same designer but usually it’s someone different. I’ve worked on shows where the pilot continuity was so bad we’ve had to go back and reshoot a lot!
Also editing to add, the amount of times I’ve worked with a designer who spends massive amount of times arguing with the head of Hair and Makeup because they haven’t done proper research on the era we’re shooting is RIDICULOUS!! Not just for historical shows but for 50’s-80’s, it takes away from all the research and work we in the Wardrobe department do trying to recreate decades properly 😭😭
oh wow yeah that explains a lot here. Thanks for the insight!
Shout out to you lovely people who do such amazing work and don't get the credit you deserve ❤
I feel so much for the designers who pour their souls into creating a rich and genuine immersive world with the costumes and then someone from Makeup breaks out the bronzer
I trained as a make-up artist for film & tv back in 1999 (I don't still do make-up) and one of the things we were taught was to research the time period and how to do different lip shapes, eyebrows,colours etc, it annoys me how it doesn't happen so much now!
I did hair and makeup for a musical theatre program for years and took immense pride in the amount of work I put into accuracy. Let me tell you, a LOT of girls tried to convince me that just curling their hair would be enough. You wish, kid. This is the Music Man and you're playing an old woman. No loose ringlets or beach waves for you lol
Bottom tier: "Did you use Spirit Halloween for wardrobe?!"
Or 'I could have found something more accurate in H&M'
See also: "It's a shame the Hot Topic store in the mall got closed and we can't return these."
Alternatively: wish.com haul gone wrong
@@ash-vj5vn To be fair, do Wish hauls ever go RIGHT?
@@sonipitts LMAO you right
Can you do this every year? I really liked this format. Highly entertaining and I added a couple new films and shows to my watch list.
Ditto! I'd seen some but it definitely added more! Lol
Same. I usually find lesser known movies through recommendations made by my favorite youtubers.
I loved the format as well! it's like an overview of historical productions, and good comments! (personally curious about Cruella review from 2021)
I found this after viewing her 2021 ranking videos and definitely took some screenshots of the TV/film lists in her description boxes, and also of suggestions people made in the comments abt examples she didn’t cover.
I’m a sucker for period pieces like, I assume, a majority of ppl viewing these ranking vids… I’m happy they were so popular and got a ton of views! 👍🏻
So I def. appreciate Bernadette’s rankings for their own merits, but also bc they’re helpful referrals I’m DESPERATELY in need of at this pt. in time like, I also assume, many others are (haha); which helped me add some shows/films to my bare bones watch lists 😁; they even helped me give some recs for my husband & family members whom are fantasy fans!
Thanks Bernadette!
she is literally how my mom expected me to speak-eloquent, educational, knowledgeable, and not just mumbling and mash words togethers to make new word
One can do both. In fact it's better to know how to use and understand both. It helps not to perpetuate the stereotype of making people with formal education automatically into educated morons, and may relieve some of the social pressure on certain demographics *not* to go to college.
masword!
In fairness, we aren't so much watching Enola Holmes for the historical accuracy as we are to just stare at Henry Cavill....
I can’t argue with this...
Facts....
I was sooo afraid to tell Bernadette that!
It's so weird seeing a buff Sherlock Holmes. Just so wrong on so many levels. My Holmes loving buddies and I have dubbed him Sherlock Himbo.
Go to horny jail
Bernadette: *thoroughly explaining what they did and didn't get right*
Me: *nodding along pretending I already knew everything*
Yup. Here's me expecting The Alienist to get Chef's Kiss and...nope... I did stop watching Self Made because the costumes were soooo atrocious I couldn't stand it, so I feel justified about that one.
@@erinchristman2669 Same, I expected more from The Alienist, I guess their budget went to everything else :)
Watch Prior Attire here on TH-cam she does layer by layer demos of various historical clothing, mostly women but some men’s outfits too.
As a history student and just-for-fun historian, I’m so impressed with your range of knowledge on historical dress. I can generally get the gist of trends but not the specifics so it’s so cool seeing your explanations.
Now I need to see you tear into the Second Enola Holmes…since that PINPOINTS the timeline
I'm sorry. But the whole time I was too distracted by the guniepigs in dresses in the the background
Oh my God! Thank God i read your content 😂
I want one now
How dare you speak like that about His Lordship?! XD
It‘s by her sibling and here is the „making of“ m.th-cam.com/video/uXe41FiND7o/w-d-xo.html
Those are the royal portraits of His Lordship Cesario.
Thanks for pointing those out!! I hadn't noticed!!!
if you watch bridgerton, get ready to get mad because not only do they not wear undergarments under their corsets, there are TWO scenes in the first ep alone that use tight lacing AND even show bruising from the corset
what would even be the point of tight lacing under an empire waist gown? All the pain and no one can see your tiny waist
@@lestranged not only that, but the beauty standard of the Regency period was for a more plump figure to show off that you had enough money to eat well. Why would these people be trying to make themselves look poor by lacing in their waists so small?? And why would the mother be fat shaming her daughter when she would have been considered the ideal for the time?
This isn’t about the costume design but the show also romanticises male r*pe. If that scene was reversed and it was the duke on top of Daphne then Netflix would have been cancelled immediately (again).
@@anthonydelfino6171 the costumes were beautiful and other than the corsetting, i thought they were pretty good! "it was a design choice" was the perfect category
@@lestranged for the style of the time, your chest also had to be allocated a little higher, because the waist was so close, so it helped push it up for the fashionable silhouette, plus also bust support from a corset is just absolutely great
They definitely should have brought in a Chinese designer for Mulan. As one who has researched Song Dynasty clothing, finding resources in English is incredibly hard. The best resources are all in Chinese and haven't been translated.
@samantha ssmith a) majority of pictures that are detailed enough to study only depicted expensive noble clothes because notable or famous people were usually the only people artists bothered to draw and b) good design goes so much beyond looking at century-old drawings - you need to understand the fabrics, the available dyes, the cultural context and practicalities that created these trends, and above all, an in-depth understanding of what truly characterized the era and set it apart from other periods to faithfully create an accurate recreation and to design creatively while protecting the integrity of accuracy
for instance, mulan's make-up scene is awful. watch xiran jay zhao's video for more details, but while they used (mostly) accurate substances, they applied them in an inaccurate and offensive way for a cheap joke making fun of ancient chinese makeup practices. and even when they did have pictures, they didn't use them lmao. mulan's residence is 土楼, ring buildings with an open-air space inside, which is characteristically southern when mulan is a northern story.
@samantha ssmith historical faithfulness is important for a historically placed movie. the fact that it's a Disney move means that it's a major presentation of Chinese culture to a western audience, which means that a HEAVIER emphasis should be placed on accuracy. also, misrepresenting fashion and adopting a different era in an ancient chinese media would be like using bowler hats, viking helmets, and roman tunics to represent tudor era england. the idea that chinese fashion is the same from era to era is an ignorant approach and diminishes the distinct nature of each period. but at the end of the day, it's just a fun historically inspired movie, so it shouldn't matter, right? no. why do you think people were so upset at other historical shows having awful clothes? because it misrepresents the setting of the story. even then I wouldn't care if Disney didn't misrepresent their movie as some sort of extremely accurate beacon of Chinese culture, which they used to make a number of changes and film near ughyur camps and in their marketing. it's tacky. and all of my statements are in regards to ALL historically set movies produced by someone about a culture they don't belong to, particularly ones that are grounded specifically in a certain time period.
About Ammonite, I read an interview with Francis Lee (the director) where he said that when he arrived on location at the house they filmed in he immediately noticed that the door handles were inaccurate for the era and he tried to get them changed but they couldn’t delay filming on such a tight budget - I guess it’s a shame that they technically don’t get a 100% score for accuracy because of them, but I just love that he cared so much, and did so much research that his white whale was DOOR HANDLES
omg i LOVE that
"I'm trash for anything set in history" is a phrase that just hits SO hard as a history major
Yep, same here:)
It's always so nice when they specifically pick an actress who would fit the aesthetics of the time period instead of whatever Hollywood actress is most popular.
Well, I don‘t mind them having actresses that don‘t fit the aestethic of the period in the movies, as long as it‘s clear that they are not considered to be the ultimate beauty in the story. Because let‘s be honest: There have always been people who don‘t „fit“ with the general beauty standard, and that‘s fine. It‘s just weird when the movie then pretends like they actually do fit.
Yes!! I love to see features accurate to the time period’s beauty standards. It really helps me forget about the modern world.
Casting unknown actors/actresses seems to work.
not really historic but Anya Taylor joy did it for me
@@tink6225 well it is because its in the 60s :)
I think with Catherine the great specifically the hair down was a choice. She has her hair down initially to show her innocence and youth. After she realizes that Peter is not what she hoped for her hair goes up.
i literally rewatched emma like 3 times because i couldnt pull my eyes off of the costumes
“Happy floof noises” make me so happy, because a happy guinea pig is a vocal guinea pig 🥰
and such a adorable floof
As someone who is chinese i can say a lot of chinese designers take a lot of uh... cReAtIvE LiBeRtY when it comes to designing costumes for their own historical period dramas. As a chinese youtuber once said, most of chinese historical literature is is just fan fiction.
But if future videos do feature other cultures and historical clothing can i just nominate Five thousand Years and ShiYin as tribute?
I love watching costume C-drama but it's polyester galore over there! More than once I've seen a non-royalty character wearing YELLOW! 🤦
I assume you also watch Xiran Jay Zhao? :)
Apparently the half up half down hair in place of historical hairstyles for prettiness is a worldwide phenomenon. Fun human things :)
I am not chinese but I am curious about how well Nirvana in Fire stands up to historical accuracy
I mean Rise of the Phoenix probably isn't historically accurate, BUT the fashion looks realistic and isn't made from that cheap polyester plastic stuff. There was an actual effort put into the whole 70+ episodes.
I remember reading the enola homes books in 6th grade and I always assumed that it was very accurate clothing-wise because her clothing was such a big part of her investigating and detective work she'd use it to disguise herself or to hide things because of the multiple layers. The book starts off with her mother making off of the family fortune by hiding it in the padding of her dress
I really love that in the 2021 version of this you brought in other experts in different cultural periods to fill in the gaps in your own knowledge. I hope you keep doing that in future versions of this. :)
I shudder to think what "historically accurate" dress will be for something set in the 2000s when I'm 95 years old in a nursing home yelling at my grandkids about Laguna Beach, The Hills, and Jersey Shore
OMG. Compelled to respond because I get crazed over this. As someone who lived the 80s and 90s, and was very into fashion, really no shows do these accurately. Most not even close. If we can’t create accuracy with lived history that was also extremely well documented, something centuries old seems futile. Though I still love the attempts.
tell me why I read laguna as lasagna 😂😭
@@delaniallen7970 putting Lasagna Beach on my post-COVID trips bucket list, sounds way more satisfying and fulfilling anyway lol
“HIGH WAISTED JEANS?! IN 2005?! BACK IN MY DAY WE WORE OUR JEANS SO LOW THAT THERE WAS A PHRASE JUST TO DESCRIBE HOW OUR UNDERWEAR SHOWED OVER THE WAISTBAND!
AND THOSE ARENT CAPRIS, THOSE ARE CULOTTES!
WHERE. IS. THE. BLING. ON. THE. BACK. POCKETS!
DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE MAKEUP! CUT CREASES WERENT A THING UNTIL THE 2010s!”
No.. think about the Dollar General fuzzy pyjama bottoms and bunny slippers with a tshirt with some cutsy/sexually inappropriate innuendo on it.. shudder
Time for Bernadette to do a full costume review of "Bridgerton", now that the show is out on Netflix!
I can forgive the costumes as an ”it was a design choice”, but I like the oldfashioned 18th century style on the Queen and her attendants, the very pristine style of Daphne, the over the top colours and decoration of the Featherington ladies (the seamstress in the series even comments on this!). It’s definitely not historically accurate and they’re not really trying to be.
Marina’s hair, though. *winces*
That pair of stilettos in epi 2 killed me!!
To some extent the 18th century style on the Queen is accurate! Queen Charlotte had super rigid rules about what people could wear at Court: the narrow trains and all white and feathers on the girls to be presented is accurate, though they should also have been wearing deeply unflattering hoops under their gowns. She was Queen, she could dictate what people wore at the royal Drawing Rooms, and she did and everyone suffered for it.
Yes! I came to request this. I’m one prisoner 5 and my (severely) untrained eye can see some definite style choices and some other things they got really right based on other Bernadette videos
I also really really need this, because it would be great to have her thorough breakdown of everything, but also because I need my rage at all the corsets with nothing underneath them validated haha
Weren’t the Ugg’s in little women a picture from behind the scenes when they were taking a break? Lol
People keep pointing that out about the Ugg boot image.
Aside from that, the older girls/women wore their hair down, did not wear bonnets or hair coverings, and likely did not wear proper underclothing. In short: they had too modern a look to them.
@Isabella Kohler They did. The costumes weren't very accurate at all.
@Isabella Kohler That still doesn’t invalidate that their hairs were down, something that won’t happen back in the days
@Isabella Kohler um... did you watch the video? Criticising was the whole point.
@Isabella Kohler But underclothes played a large part in the structure of the dress back then, so if someone was to wear the wrong underclothes, you'd be able to tell as the dress would not be the right shape.
"We don't understand that these people were more like us then we think they were", now THAT'S a quote!
I would honestly appreciate a rant about historically accurate makeup and hair in movies that sounds very interesting
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I vote for this as well. A lot of people review costumes, but rarely do they mention hair and makeup!
Yes, that would be fascinating!
Eyebrows too
Yes please
A movie that suprised me with mostly historically accurate costumes was "A Muppets Chrstmas Carol". It's the Muppets, they didn't need to be that accurate and yet they did anyway! If the Muppets can do it, so can other movies.
Oh yeah! I loved Abby Cox's video review of it, it's astounding!
I just watched that yesterday! I love it!
The best Christmas movie ever!
Yes! I just watched it for the first time the other day and was so surprised.
There’s an account on Twitter called The Bill & Ted Test based on this premise - if a single throwaway (regency) scene in a Bill & Ted movie can achieve costuming excellence, actual historical dramas really aught to be able to. It’s a really fun account to follow.
The woman in the Bridgertons who was out of period dress was supposed to be Queen Charlotte who used to wear 18c and liked the formality .. however, she wasn't even alive when the books are set 1840s.
The books are set in the Regency around the time of 1815 and upwards. I know the 4th, 5th, and 6th books are set in 1824. When the series starts, Queen Charlotte is alive and George 3 still alive. George 4 is the regent the period is named after. 1840 is Victorian, not Regency.
I think it’s really good how Bernadette handles areas she has less knowledge. She acknowledges her lack of expertise, but still does her best to represent it as well as she can and looks to others with more knowledge and cultural understanding. So much respect!
Come for the hot historical tea, stay for the devastatingly adorable floof-burbling in the sponsor segment.
My mum is a fashion historian with a PhD in it and watching shows like this with her is a nightmare ahaha. She can’t focus on the show because she’s so annoyed about the clothes! She just made a costume course for designing clothing for TV! First one in England :)
That’s so cool!
Can you tell me what it's called? The course I mean
@@yasminhexe costume design for film and tv at Falmouth uni!
My husband was a Navy pilot and he ruins all related shows. Most notably Top Gun. I haven’t forgiven him for that so I feel your pain.
That’s so awesome!!
You were very right. Bridgerton was very much a design choice, feeling very fantastical and story book throughout the show.
I rewatched a bit of The Greatest Showman after this because your blasphemous category is what made me realise why I'm not fully enamoured with it. The hair, makeup, and even some of the women's dresses just pull me right out of the time period and I was wondering if you might ever include it in a video like this
Watching Bernadette as her battery is about to die while my battery is about to die is not the shared experience I imagined when I joined the patreon group. I must say, I give the live chats a much higher approval rating.
🤣🤣🤣 0/10, did not meet expectations
I was an extra on the Great, Russian Peasant #17. 😂 The ladies who dressed us were really conscious of the time and detail. I remember one of them was even particular about how this random woman’s boot was laced, even if there was 0.01% chance that it would be on screen.
I loved how the noblewomen wore their wigs as hats
The Great really gave me the vibe that they used details from the time period/ silhouettes but modern materials/ styling. I thought it was actually really good for the series, which is not in anyway historically accurate. Like the series, the clothes used period details ( or people) to convey a modern story.
This is fascinating and assuring to know, thank you so much for sharing.
I was an extra in some II WW film (don't remember the title, it was German), the dressing team asked us to specifically wear a non wired bras and some looser undies. For the extras that wouldn't be really in focus
@@PizzaHorseProductions apparently that’s fairly historically accurate. Russia was trying to be apart of Europe at the time (culturally speaking) but it’s not like they had many references for what was in fashion, at least that’s what I remember reading somewhere, I could be totally off base
Ugh yes!! I watched "Emma." twice in two days because it was a tasteful, beautifully done adaptation. 🤍
the costuming. was beautiful, but they messed with the actual story line in a way I could not appreciate, I much preferred the Gwyneth Paltrow version.
@@laniwiens6574 Ah I understand. Reminds me how most people prefer the Pride and Predjudice series to the movie as it's more true to the book but I still love the art of the movie. Each to their own!
I RAGED when I saw stilettos being worn in Bridgerton. In the beginning of the show, it literally said it was the year 1812. 😤
Oh my! 🤣
@samantha ssmith - and yet, that's a plausible reading of history. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz The show is definitely intentionally set in an AU but that part at least has some attestation where it may be possible.
Alternative title: 30 minutes of Bernadette Banner trying not to scream at hair and makeup.
Yes
Hi! I’m actually a costume design student in Los Angeles and the hair and makeup is a huge issue. There’s a big push in the union right now to get hair and makeup to fall under costume because in most cases currently it doesn’t. And then you get major issues like you mentioned. As designers it can be super frustrating.
I can’t imagine the amount of effort that’s put into clothing just to have them wearing nude pink lipgloss with beach waves and not having ANY control over it.
It seems they are really trying to give a slice of the cake to modern makeup “artists” who don’t have any qualifications besides basic beauty school.
It’s painful to watch honestly
I think when people saw something like LOTR Trilogy and saw the praise it got for makeup, art direction and costume design, they believe that you can do that in ANY FILM.
I'm a male writing a science fiction novel about a young 21st century woman who is magically transported back to 1861. Being a serious history buff, I've tried being as historically accurate as possible within the context of the story.
After watching a couple of your and Karolina's videos, I had to completely rewrite the section where she gets her first corset because she (and I) had totally bought the modern view of corsets and Civil War era clothing.
It's actually been kind of fun having my expectations subverted by reality. 😁
I enjoyed the critical perspective here, after following some of your sewing videos. Since we're on the quest for accuracy, 'modern' doesn't mean 'now'. It's a term used in different ways by historians ('modern' can be used for periods going back to Restoration), but the belle epoch, in which many of these are set, is pretty much the defining era for 'modern.'
"... Which takes place in 1897 **not that you would know it**"
SO MUCH SHADE
Fun collabs for next year (if your year isn't completely planned out already) could be teaming up with TH-camrs of color who might know more about the costumes of films like Mulan, K-dramas set in the Joseon dynasty, or Bollywood movies. I'm slight Bollywood trash and I suspect that period films from there are like films/shows of the West: some good, some not so good.
That is 10000% the plan! Particularly dress historians and academics who specialize in different cultures/eras!
@Shashwat Verma I've had my issues with Bollywood period dramas. Especially the ones that try to do Western fashion. There was one movie called Rustom that was set in the late 1950s and the costuming for that was absolutely horrendous. There really isn't an excuse to be made because Bollywood films from the 1950s sometimes had the heroine in western fashion or the extras were wearing western clothing. And the costume designer for the movie I'm talking about could've easily looked at that. But like you say, the more arthouse films pay more attention to the costuming.
If you do Mulan it might be fun to touch on the film Mulan: Rise of a Warrior which is a Chinese-made gritty take on the Mulan legend, and very much non-Disneyfied! The costumes in that one are mostly armour, but there are some shots of villages and Mulan in female clothing which might be interesting.
I would love to see this!
@@musiccubed2650 I understand what you mean by "western clothes", but my brain keeps throwing me images of Bollywood in cowboy hats and chaps 😳...my apologies.
I'm so glad Emma got top rating! When I watched the movie I was so happy of the accuracy! Those weird ass hair styles were there and didn't try to make it modern!!! It was something that really got on my nerves when doing research for fashion history watching movies get hair and makeup wrong when it's so complimentary to the dressing fashion of the moment
I’ve always wanted to see her talk about Anne with an E it’s my favorite show but I sadly do not know enough to criticize it. But from the untrained eye it looks quite good.
I’d recommend Abby Cox’s video where she rants about the “not like other girls” trope in historical dramas. Anne With An E is talked about in it.
Brigerton is definitely a design choice. Even their music during their line dances were modern. 😄 This episode is very informative. Thanks.
I literally came in from the other room to point out the string version of Bad Guy xD
There is Wildest Dreams too.
And thank u, next
That is exactly what I dislike. For example ‘the tudors’ was extremely american. And there is this knight film with modern music. Unwatchable.
It was honestly Reign 2.0 lol
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Little Women: *u g g s*
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Oh good, someone else spotted this too 🤣🤣🤣 subtle shade is satisfying shade!
I forgot that Little Women came out this year. It seems so long ago.
@@elliel4736 because, in 2020, with aaaalll of the available research, they put the leads in friggin u g g s. UGGS! And they didn't even try with, like, anything.
@@annamermaid6359 Not to be ~that person~ but they did try with literally everything else. Yes, the costuming is wild, but the movie is incredible and definitely worth a watch. It sucks because I agree with the costuming critique but it was one of my favorite movies I've seen in a long time and the only coverage it gets on YT is my favorite fashion historical/design channels hating on it :(
Have you watched "Versailles"? I loved the show and I heard it's costumes are quite accurate but have no Idea wether that's true.
underrated comment, I’d like to know too
Yessss great TV show ❤️
Bernadette "mens clothing..doesnt change a whole lot..."
Zack Pinsent "hold my cocktail!"
TBH I feel like screaming whenever the infamous Little Women Uggs debacle comes out - the photo was a behind the scenes long shot of the actresses in modern, foot preserving shoes for waist-up shots. In the film itself, NO Uggs are seen and in the long shot that makes it to the final cut, they are all, in fact, wearing historically accurate shoes.
It would have been pretty easy to bring in historically accurate winter boots that would have been at least as warm, though, and that would have improved the wide shots.
@Scott Finkelstein Have you ever seen behind the scenes photos of actors wearing 18th century gowns and puffer coats? I think production companies find it in their best interests to make their stars' comfort the #1 priority...not everyone has the method acting determination of Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn ;)
Even in the film though, their clothing was so loose fitting and not really historically accurate, except for maybe one dress that Meg wears to the dance. And their HAIR omg, was loose and down, not really accurate (except for maybe the youngest sister). But also this is just a film and maybe they were symbolizing their 'free spirits' and modernity of ideas for the time period. But for me, these details or lack of, really took me out of the movie.
It does seem unfair to judge the accuracy of the movie based on behind the cameras shots. But, they had nearly no bonnets in the movie, and that was a basic accessory back in the time.
Thanks for the heads up. I mean, there is enough to criticize fairly in that version, we don't need to drag in the unfair...
I still remember the movie people proudly talking about each sister having/preferring a specific color for their clothes, and I'm like "But...but... hand-me-downs..." The family's lack of wealth is so important to the story there is just no way they would not have inherited each other's clothes.
Me: *usually skips through sponsor spiels.*
Bernadette: *holds Cesario through entire sponsor discussion*
Me: *mesmerized* "You clever, clever fiend."
She knows how to hold our attention
@@totallycrazystudios1801 , yup, the snoozy, cuddly, piggy goodness!!
I'm fangirling over her hair and wool blanket.
Cesario is beautiful and so floofy.
I really liked Enola Holmes but even I could tell that it was historically inaccurate and I know nothing about historical fashion - it was just so darn inconsistent
Which is especially a shame considering how important clothing and fashion are in the books!
I really wanted you to make a "Anne with an E" one
Yes!
Bernadette said she was not going to review that movie despite how many people requested her to do so.
@@KD-nd5gu Really? When?
@@danii1 In the video where she praises 5 period films that did really well in terms of accuracy. Bernadette said the costumes from Anne with an E are fine, but she's not going to do a separate review on it. I don't blame her since she must have gotten sick of the number of requests, while the costumes are quite unmemorable.
@@KD-nd5guOh well, I guess we are not getting an Anne with an E review. I'm kind of bummed out because I really like the series.
I'd honestly be super interested in seeing Bernadette talk about historical fashion in animated movies... Particularly Anastasia and Atlantis. I have a really sore spot for Atlantis and Helga because how are you gonna take one of the coolest eras of fashion and make it so HORRIBLY inaccurate like
But the Anastasia musical did good historical costumes
YES!! Using history to inform a character design can be SO insightful, but artists are just as susceptible to inaccuracies as costumers are--perhaps more so since cartoons often resort to an "anything goes" mentality because you can just draw whatever you want. Oh, and of course, cartoons are often dismissed as irrelevant kiddie fare, so no one cares. :C
It would be nice to hear someone talk about the disappointment of Elsa's prom dresses outside of my art friend group.
Anastasia’s a mess, but it’s not trying to be period accurate so I always gave it a pass despite being a huge nerd for the fashions of the early 20th century and also the Russian Revolution and the early Soviet period. I didn’t hate Don Bluth’s interpretation of the Russian court dress, though, even if i didn’t get the transparent sleeves. The only thing I actively hated was the film’s interpretation of the 1920s. It fell into the same Princess and the Frog trap of having an hourglass figure despite the fact that the 20s was all about women having this boyish, ruler-straight figure.
@@coffeefrog HOLY SHIT YES I HATE ALL THE DRESSES IN FROZEN UGH
I mean Anna has some decent looks but Elsa being perpetually draped in spandex is annoying as hell
Just before this video dropped I was having a discussion with my mum about fabrics used in historical dress and why they weren't all the stiff, tight, scratchy nightmares that people think they were, and then you appeared in my notifications and it was like I'd just called for backup!
This would be a super interesting video.
@@muse3223 Sadly I don't have any actual references, but as I understand it linens were very different when they were at the height of their popularity, as was wool cloth, which we have less of a demand for now because of blasted polyester ... But this is just taken from snippets of books and articles so I don't know exactly how true it all is!
I think I remember reading in Marie Curie's biography (written by her daughter) that she really didn't care very much about fashion, so maybe it would make sense that the sleeves didn't change much throughout the film.
Your channel is my favorite because I love deep diving into the past and watching movies/tv shows and catching the inaccuracies of said movies/tv shows.
May I just say, I love how calm your "full of rage" state is.
Oh my god I didn’t even notice the Ugg’s in Little Women 😂
Because they weren’t there! It’s a behind the scenes photo ffs
@@ekaterinaselezneva724 THANK YOU gooossssh
Your so inspirational! I love how you share your passions. You make “being yourself” so cool!!!! Your so confident ❤️
I know this is almost 2 years late, but I just found your channel recently and have been binging....that ad plug at the end....that is how it should be done! I watched the full plug, I have never done that before. Well DONE!
As an ethical Chinese (I'm Taiwanese), I'll put Mulan in "they...not even tried" (with costumes from Turandot), but I do appreciate your effort and your opinion;)
Because they put Mulan herself with the wrong race in wrong country and fight the wrong enemy, she supposed to be dressed like a Mongolian soldier, or Mongolian women.
My mandarin teacher told us a little about this; she is meant to be from the Northern Wei, right? Fighting against one of the nomadic khanates in what is now Mongolia?
@@seaztheday4418 Yeeees, you are correct!
Also the whole thing where long loose hair was supposed to signify that she was a woman?? I'm not an expert in China but I know enough about Asian history to know that most adults would have had long hair--and watched enough Chinese dramas to know it's actually a drama trope for men to have their hair loose and women to have it up.
@@undeadgoat I think both men and women should have their hair up, adult men also have to wear hats, or cover their buns with fabric.
If it’s around 500BC, women will also wear a low ponytail.
If it’s Ching dynasty, men should do a braid, and shave their front hair, because of the segregation.
Children who’s hair is not long enough can make a half bun.
The loose hair is really a Japanese thing, became very popular in Heian dynasty.
So if you see people have loose hair in the Asian painting, you can first make a guess it’s not Chinese or Korean.
Off topic, but “ethical Chinese” is either the awesomest typo or sickest burn I’ve ever seen!
His Lordship has returned! I appreciate your comments towards the end that historical accuracy actually does matter to make us see how similar we truly are to people living 100+ years ago.
The background of this video is so soothing, i love the view from the window and the decor in your room and the way your blouse matches it all so well :D
OMG what you say at the end of the video is so beautiful! That's what i look for when watching/reading anything historical: learning something about different eras/cultures, yes, but even more, feeling connected to those human beings who lived before us.
It seems like a lot of costume dramas prioritize having actresses looking attractive to contemporary audiences over historical accuracy (e.g. having visible makeup when not historically appropriate or having hair worn down).
This is really what Bernadette's work is about - broadening the modern viewer's aesthetic knowledge. (Her summation at the end of this video is brilliant *chefs kiss*)
Yeah, it's really obvious when you're watching an older historical movie where the makeup seems much more out of place.
Yes I agree, but I feel like Bernadette coming from a costuming background should point out that directors aren’t going to stand their female leads not “looking attractive” in a historical romance. 🙃 Like the one with the practically winged eyeliner I understand but Belgravia’s hair and makeup didn’t take me out of it at all.
I completely agree. In fact, I’ve named this phenomenon/trope “No Bad 80s’ Hair”.
Since Micarah ripped the little women’s historical dress re-creations apart. I have become interested in this sort of thing
Saamme
Same here💕
Same
Except she’s not actually wearing UGGs in the film itself it’s just a behind the scenes photograph!! If you watch the film she’s wearing the same brown leather shoes she does for pretty much the duration
Same, I watched Micarah’s rant too
This is the only video I have watched of yours and thing that popped out at me the most (besides how knowledgeable you are) was the amazing artwork of the guinea pigs in historically accurate gowns. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THEM!!!
I think my issue with Self Made was how they villainized Annie Malone just to have an antagonist. They were rivals, yes, but the movie really did a disservice to her as a person. She was an amazing entrepreneur in her own right. It felt like the movie couldn't handle having two intelligent, successful black women at the same time, so they had to assassinate the one's character to give the story a cheap antagonist.
As a Chinese person I can say Mulan was a hot mess in terms of historical accuracy (especially the makeup), they didn’t even hire a Chinese designer lmao. But I doubt it will be better if they did cause I also haven’t seen a remotely historically accurate Chinese period drama in a long time :o I wish information on Chinese historical dress would be easier to find so costumers can actually recreate periods instead of relying on stereotypical silhouettes which are so boring
its not about that. most chinese period drama knows the silhouette and made the costume better or flashier and its 1000x more accurate than mulan 2020.
the mulan 2020 movie did the panda express version....its so bad and disrespectful that they should have just made it accurate...instead of "trying to make it better but ended up looking like panda express and just enforcing chinese prejudice like manchu qing fashion"
@@angelabby2379 Not sure where the Qing fashion bit is going cause Qing fashion (both Manchu and Han) is also really badly represented in the media... like we see a lot of it but almost none of it is actually accurate. Growing up I watched Qing Dynasty dramas set in the 17th or 18th centuries where the actresses are wearing headpieces from the late 19th century
Edit: after doing some deep dives into Chinese drama and film costuming I completely disagree with this comment, most Chinese costume designers don’t know what they’re doing and it’s unfortunate.
if you don't mind sharing, could you recommend some of the more historically accurate Chinese period dramas that you know of?
@@katarinatomac4376 I heard that Serenade of Peaceful Joy (set in the Song Dynasty) and Longest Day in Chang’an (Tang Dynasty) are pretty ok costume-wise, but I’ve only watched the latter. I wish I could share more but there really aren’t so many accurate dramas :(
@@audreyzhang5394 thank you:)
I'd love to have this become an annual thing - a wrap-up of all period drama-ish movies and series released throughout the year 🙈✨
I am also, once again, extremely jealous of your red blouse and I hope we'll see the promised project of making a set of aesthetic blouses at some point in the new year 😊
Yes, please.
Yes blouses please!!!!
Thanks for filming these kinds of roast rants. Your rage is disconcertingly enjoyable.
Great video! I'm just wondering why you reserve the "design choice" category exclusively for fantasy films? A designer might choose to knowingly veer away from historical accuracy for a whole range of artistic reasons, not only because there's a fantasy element. I'm thinking specifically of Coppola's Marie Antoinette which used intentionally anachronistic details (and music, etc.) to establish a clear connection between the French royal court and modern-day celebrity culture, but that's just one example. Even if a film is about real people or events, the costumes still also serve a larger narrative and there are plenty of potential instances where an artistic decision might trump historical accuracy without veering all the way into fantasy or sci-fi.
His lordship´s portraits behind Bernadette were the most epic thing in the video.
I believe both portraits were made by Bernadette's sibling! :)
Don't forget the wonderful corset on skin scenes in the Alienist ~*screams like a banshee into the stays and corset slander abyss*~
I literally turned it off at that scene. I mean, it was losing me already, but when that happened I was just like naaaaaaaah
to be fair they didn't do it again in season 2, but yes that must have been a pretty shitty day for Dakota Fanning ^^
GAAAHHHHH! I actually banshee shrieked at my poor watching partner about this at the time
I remember this Twitter post (I think I saw Karolina slamming them afterwards in the thread), where this girl was saying that corsets were dangerous because she wore one and got "tight laced" and couldn't breathe. She then posted a photo of her wearing it.
The photo had two very evident problems:
1) she wasn't wearing anything underneath it, no shift, no combinations, nothing.
2) the thing was clearly at least two sizes smaller than what her ideal fit would be.
It's not the corset's fault if you didn't bother to measure yourself correctly. She then went on to say that she had experience with period clothing, but clearly she didn't if she didn't know that she had to wear something underneath it.
4:11 Welp. I just discovered I need an epic crossover with Bernadette Banner and Xiran Jay Zhao. I NEED THIS IN MY LIFE!!!!
Ok but your silhouette in the window is *chef’s kiss*
"the floof of your choice"
"now he's fallen asleep... and I can't get up"
"I'm trapped!"
Only Bernadette can make me laugh so much when talking about a sponsor XD
The Numpty Pig pillow made me LoL also. * chefs kiss *
it was quite simply the best Sponsor Shout-out I have ever experienced
Re the 1890 sleeves: Just got an Anne of Green Gables (the book) flashback: "If sleeves get any bigger, a girl will have to go through a door sideways." I'm sure that was exactly during the sleeve size shifts.
Me too!!
The books are supposed to be set in the early 1870s, but they were published in the early 1900s. I imagine that, by then, L.M. Montgomery had forgotten exactly when it was that sleeves got so huge lol
@@princezzpuffypants6287 thank you for saying this! Anne was in her 50s in Rilla of Ingleside, which was set during WW1, meaning all these TV adaptations that set Anne of Green Gables in the 1890s are just straight up anachronistic. I personally love 1870s fashion and prefer it to 1890s so I feel like they're really missing out by choosing to set it at the wrong time - although it bothers me to think that it's actually just that the people making the adaptations haven't read the entire series so simply don't know.
@@abigar-k I agree. I loved Megan Follows as Anne (and the entire cast of that series), but the timeline is so confusing (and, of course "The Continuing Story" was just nuts...). There is a BBC production of the first 3 books (?) from the 70s, but Green Gables has been lost. Avonlea is pretty impressive, imo. I sincerely cannot recall whether or not they altered the timeline in that one at all
I am like 80% sure some intern on The Great came into work one day and was like "hey so there's this youtuber called Bernadette Banner and if you keep doing the poor-fitting clothes and the half-ponytails she will tear you apart on the internet in front of 1.04 million people..." and they quickly got their acts together
also Ammonite was about a real historical figure: Mary Anning discovered the first full Icthyosaur skeleton at the age of eleven, and then the first Plesiosaur at twenty-two, the first pterosaur, and all manner of other fossils including the identification of copralites as fossilised faeces. She wasn't allowed to join the Geological Society because gasp! she was a woman, and she died of cancer a couple of months shy of her forty-eighth birthday. Her life spanned 1799 through 1847 - the blue dress in the film appears to be based on a pre-1842 painting of her.
mary anning is now one of my favourite geologists. thank you for informing us ignorant peasants (I'm not being sarcastic, i promise)
@@psalm91rdwlkfpgrl I trust you XD I do also find the phrase "one of my favourite geologists" like you had a list and she just suddenly rocketed to the top
Also Horrible Histories did a sketch about her where a Victorian man with period-typical sexism questions her knowledge of the fossils and it ends with her just throwing fossilised dino turds at him
As russian, I rank “the great” as “vodka bear balalaika” level because it was awful: the silhouettes of the costumes, the colors (pink dress?!) they definitely did not even try
Therefore I do not understand why such a high rate was given
It's definitely a design choice. The tv show itself is enormously far from historical accuracy (even Peter the third is the son of Peter the great in the show, not the grandson), so it is an alternative universe.
Thank you, I was actually wondering the same.
Yeah, definitely a design choice and not 'Pretty good'. She even mentioned the modern clothes (those things gave me Reign flashbacks 😄), so why put it on 2nd place on a 1-5 scale?
The silhouette was rather like the Marie Antoinette movie's style, inspired by late 18th century French fashion, not mid 1700s Russia. Where are all those full ruffling lace sleeves on the dresses?
I get that the whole series was just a modern parody and not a historically accurate biography, so the costumes don't have to be so accurate either. But then just don't put it on 2nd place in terms of costume historical accuracy 😀
Yeah I feel like story wise it was quite good but historical accuracy just wasn’t on its side
You've clearly never seen it. It literally says, on every intro, "*an occasionally true story". How. Can. People. Miss. This. it's so obviously loosely based off real life, they even make modern PC jokes! The screenwriting is the most sublime piece of English I've seen since West Wing, Mindhunters and the Crown. It's utterly delicious, I came away from it with a renewed sense of empowerment. Catherine is ferocious, clever, witty, stunning, her clothes reflect her personality! You'd do the show a disservice by not taking creative liberties! What other colour than fuchsia was she to wear in the final ep?! The ripped seam across her belly, oh my goodness, the symbolism! The costumes, if they were 100% historically accurate, would make the events seem more real, making people think the events portrayed were accurate - a dangerous thing.