The Gun of Destiny: Did This Revolver Lead to WWII??? | American Artifact Episode 60
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- Did a simple revolver serve as the object that put the world on a path to World War II? That's the question that we're exploring at The Gettysburg Museum of History as we continue where we left off in the last episode to examine some of the objects that were looted from the Munich apartment of a certain Bohemian corporal at the end of WWII.
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Is it possible that Hitler’s pistol is the same one that he used to shoot the ceiling during the beer hall pusht?? Wonder the date of manufacturing and the date of his gun license?
The "bohemian corporal" (Böhmischer Gefreiter) is a nasty name given by Hindenburg for Hitler. Hitler nor his family comes from Bohemia, they can be traced back to the 15th century in Upper-Austria.
Amazing that the uniform stayed in such great shape. You don’t often get to see them like this. 👍😁
The monk symbol for Munich is because the name means city of monks. The monk is giving a benediction with one hand and in the other is holding a code or book of law. I have a friend who comes from Munich and she said that she had heard from family that during the Nazi era, a swastika was added to the book in the monk's hand.
Thanks for the extra info!
@@TheHistoryUnderground : In some foreign languages München is called Monaco, like the principality at french/italian border Region. The first Prince of Grimaldi dynasty conquered Monte Carlo disguised as a monk. For german grammar reason next to the monks would be: Bei den Mönchen, so the name München is clear. The Monk in Munich coat of arms is popular known as Münchner Kindl (Child of Munich).
When I was younger I would help deliver meals to elderly folk in a town near me. One of the people we delivered to was a gentleman who fought in Europe during the war. He was a clockmaker by trade, and while fighting found a clock and "liberated" it. He shipped it home and his wife put it under the bed for storage. One day a few years later he pulls out this liberated old clock and it blows up on him because it was booby-trapped. He survived, but a crazy reminder of how war is fought
Holy crud!!!
This is amazing, thank you. For all my knowledge I don't ever remember hearing of " The Gun of Destiny".
Pretty interesting.
Thankyou Eric Dorr, Love all the artifacts. I am putting the Gettysburg museum on my list of places to visit! What a a trove of wonderful pieces of history. Thankyou
Quite the place. You'll love it!
05:50 The raised right hand of the monk is interpreted as a gesture of blessing or oath. The red book in the left hand refers to the oath book of the city (the right hand of the oath matches this) or the city law book, which has been handed down as a red-bound manuscript from 1365. It is also interpreted as a gospel book.
Thanks! Appreciate the extra info!
Wow! Wow! Wow! So interesting!
Nothing like a back story to go with the items...... Thanks to JD and Erik for helping to keep American history alive....
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Your videos NEVER disappoint, JD. Erik’s presentations are always fascinating as well, including this one. 👍
Much appreciated!
This channel offers something that no other channel does. I work 65+ hrs per week,I would to go all the places that you do and maybe I will someday but for now I'll just watch your channel lol
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Thank you for keeping history known. Too many today want to pretend some history did not happen and they want to change the rest to suit their agenda.
THANK YOU
I would love to hear the story of how the vets got all these items back to the states, I have always wondered about it. Great channel, keep up the great content.
War trophies were a thing then (and still should be) and there were far less strict rules about bringing home things. Before the US army got woke
Mostly in the mail. When soldiers are overseas in combat they don't pay postage. Get a box, and write the address off it goes.
Many men simply carried them back to the states in barracks bags. They were allowed to carry souvenirs back, but no ammo. However, many were able to smuggle ammo also. There were so many men returning from overseas that it was impossible to search all of them. Additionally, the officers tasked with the search had served with these men. "Yup, everything looks good here. Better clean that MP-40, don't want it to rust. No, I don't need to see what is in that bag...sounds like silverware."
One of my Sergeants that was in Vietnam sent home boxes of C rats. He would just write the address on the box and put it in the outgoing mail. He said he did it for something to do.
Watch “Band of Brothers”! They show the mail clerk dealing with all the souvenirs being sent home. I was kind of surprised there was anything left in Germany! Just never dreamed that looting was still a “thing” during wartime.
Another interesting thing about the Schu-mine where it mentions it (and you may remember JD) is on band of brothers when Colin Hanks’s character is standing with the easy company men, in the building with the chocolate bars everyone wants, and another soldier says “replacement lieutenant blew his foot off. stepped on a schu mine. Fresh in from West Point had to go home empty handed”
I’d actually forgot about that line.
@@TheHistoryUnderground lol it’s a very small line I wouldn’t sweat it. I’ve seen that show WAY too many times lol
angriest man i ever met stepped on a toe popper after xing rhine one week before wars end.
This story has always fascinated me. So much drama and tragedy the past hides.
With all these wool uniforms mothballs are a must.
Definitely.
Your channel is amazing but the WW2 stuff is what I have a passion for most. Ive a ticket for the 9 November 1938 march you covered in your last video. It was for an area 2 in Zweibruckenstrasse wherever that is in Munich. Happy New Year too JD.
Appreciate that.
That is an interesting theory about that gun. Amazing collection 👍
It begs the question if WW2 would not have hapened had she not commited suicide with it. Very interesting, indeed!
Very interesting theory. I see where there is the possibility but part of me thinks that eventually Hitler would have become what he did I guess we'll never know for sure since the answer is lost in the mists of time. This was an extremely interesting video & series. Thank you for the hard work to bring it to us
Decent chance. It's interesting to contemplate the alternate history though.
The old Butterfly flaps his wings…..
Himmler and Goebbels wanted Geli out of the picture because she messed with Hitler's mind (as they thought). So she had to go... People at the time wondered if she committed suicide or was murdered. If I recall my history, the Munich police wondered that as well.
Liberated, not lifted not looted! The gun of destiny is a bit of a stretch I think. Hitler began seeing Eva Braun shortly after Geli Raubal’s death. Having a relationship did not deter Hitler’s political ambitions. I suppose one could argue that he wasn’t as devoted to Eva Braun as he was to Geli Raubal but I’m thinking neither woman would have mitigated Hitler’s pathology.
Interesting to think about what might have been.
No woman would ever get in the way of a man with true intentions to change the world, for the better, by taking it out of centuries old hands of evil. That man would never allow for such (human) distractions from a unwavering, fully dedicated chosen route.
So many “What if” and “if only” …. Another great video 🎉 Thanks for taking us along 😊
What I know the munich coat of arms is a monk in a gate referring to the Bishop of Freising. Found this on some sites. Dont know much more. Read this when doing something for school a year or two back.
Thanks!
Really enjoyed the video mate best TH-cam channel for history can't wait for more world war 2
Thanks! Appreciate that!
I really enjoyed this incredible video JD thank you and i love your channel keep up the great work JD
Thanks a ton!
Well JD even our history every situation or event huge collection in museums across our country. Those were neat items
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I bought a WW1 Luger. With it, and few other weapons, I could pick it up, close my eyes, and clutch it to my chest, and actually feel the weapon trying to tell me were it was and what it did. Yes, I know that feeling.
I know where has a h, but spell check is a problem. Wish I could turn it on/off.
Ha! Typing errors are a constant struggle in my life.
Love what u guys are doing so many ypung people no not enough about this part of history keep up the good work❤❤
That uniform is awesome, my friend has a cherub from the ceiling of Hitler's house in burgessgarten which is pretty cool.
Great video as usual. Nice TH-cam tip toe through history!
Wow hadn't ever heard of that revolver b4 very interesting
It's a bit more of an obscure story. Hopefully this video will make it less obscure.
Well done, good information, nice film quality.
Great video as always JD and Erik, loving this series!
Thanks!
What an amazing piece of history in the uniform of George Winter.
Another very interesting episode, WOW! Thanks, Andrew
Great video, I can't wait for more from this series!!!
What camera do you use when filming your videos?
Thanks! I was running a Panasonic GH5 on this one.
@@TheHistoryUnderground Thanks!
That was a whole new level of history J.D I had no knowledge of. Thank you to Eric and yourself J.D for letting us know about history as someone who’s fascinated by that whole WWII era.
Especially the uniforms from before the war right the whole way through. From that of a really scary professional army, to the rabble of men with mixtures and mismatched uniforms at the end.
The only people to consistently have fantastic presence of uniforms were that of the Generals and Field Marshals.
Even the famous Jackboot to the small ankle boot seen from 1944, (which as a collector of memorabilia) was like the British one with ankle gators. Got to say though the German one was so flimsy on the ankle. I’m surprised anyone could use them over 8 stone weight. There must have been some reports of fractured ankles of men who couldn’t go on or got injured and had to be left behind. Trying to get those records would be interesting?
All due to shortage of leather.
At the end the boots where not even dyed any colour due to again issues and proper leather tanners and materials needed for it. They just proved how durable they were for the end was coming, as long as you wore that horrible ankle gator. It was to hide upper fragility On what I can describe as
‘limp leather’.
Think the SS were delaying the end for it was coming no doubt about it. They systematically went around J.D and hid special projects under a Dr.Hans Kammler. If you have a open mind to really weird and strange stuff there are no answers above ground too. Another historian has been involved in uncovering, what we cannot see is a betrayal to those who gave their lives as slave Labour is what he wants to undo.
I will link it to you if you reply. Only if you do. J.D The rocket technology and scientists with other technology. Was being bartered for by these high level Nazis for not meeting the hangman’s noose.
Only one mention of Dr. Hans Kammler .Who was directly ordered by Hitler through Himmler ,to have overall control of every special project at Nuremberg isn’t strange to any historian or teacher. Someone as powerful as he was in mass use of forced Labour, to be mentioned just once isn’t eyebrow raising is what this other historian who has others now involved. Is creating a bit of a storm now.
We must all remember as I hadn’t until then. It’s the victors who write history J.D you’ll agree to that. It’s never the loser who has anything massive to say in anything post wars. Only the victors narrative. This is one I found so strange but is true for all to look up. Germany was the only nation after WWII to still be making money from the war. Where everyone else was in a negative. How can that be explained? Leaving out the stolen items etc.
Germany was making money through different country’s ie Switzerland. Many German companies from the war are major brands in our markets with many different webs everywhere. The SS was into making money not losing it is still a thought that keeps me awake. Exactly what where they at and what influence does their web hold in countries around the world. War makes money, not peace is a fact? Sorry for the long post J.D
Praying for peace in Ukraine, that I know is a very dear part of your life J.D and family. 🙏🏻🇺🇦
These video's are very interesting! I see it as more background info and personal stories.
Glad you like them!
I don't want people to take this wrong but that's a very nice historical collection. Great video JD 👍 👍 👍
Not taken wrong at all. Thanks.
Fascinating video
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I was assuming that you were talking about the gun that shot Ferdinand. Gavrilo pricip has had the most influence on the world in the last 150 years
I would agree with that.
This channel deserves millions of subscribers 🙌
Thanks! Feel free to share it out.
That shoe mine???? Very interesting to see one. I read of them but didn’t know what they looked like~different than my mental picture for sure! Always learning
Definitely interesting.
@@TheHistoryUnderground I donated to your cause….did you get it?
Also, it saved steel by using wood. As you know steel was in high demand.
@@NV555_82nd good point!
Hi!! The image on the city's coat of arms is of a Benedictine monk. It is de old coat of arms.
Thanks!
What a fascinating story. Thanks for sharing. Another great episode by the man, the myth….the good ole boy 😅
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My brother in law has a bunch of medals from German soldiers, his grandmother was from Germany and after the war ended I guess a bunch of soldiers stripped their medals and threw them in the street and she walked by and picked them up, there's a few iron crosses and a bunch of others that I'm not sure what they are.
Wow!
Great video as always sir! I love all these interesting lesser known stories you bring to light. Thanks for all the content, all the best! :) Btw, I have one question - is that your lucky cap? How long have you had it? It's like an unofficial mascot of the channel in my eyes haha
May we get more gun chronicles of destiny??
Love the channel,I watch every episode.
May I ask also what does he clean guns of significance with???
Remarkable episode, it is humbling to watch when u have close ancestors that fought long and hard in the war on the allied American side, but on other hand those same ancestors were also close decendents of the last name Winter so they also were of German ancestry. I'm sure this is very common but boy does it make one think of the craziness and waste of war.
In other words my decorated grandpa Douglas, his mom was a Winter and his great grandpa a German immigrant. Insane
The monk is a literal representation of Munich's name. Munich translates to "Home of Monks" (Munchen=Monk Home)
Thanks!
another great video. As I was watching the part about the SS uniform I noticec immediately that the SS was missing from the right lapel. Then you mentioned it...great minds notice things!! I will be back in Munich in a couple of weeks. Didnt you say you were going to Dachau? I go sometimes just to hit their bookstore. It is such a sad and solemn place to visit. Enjoy yours
Weather in Munich was terrible but I made it to Hitlers apartment. Very easy to find..
Hate to say it, but the SS looked sharp!
A good lesson on not judging a book by it's cover.
Tom Hanks was my first thought, "The little wooden bastards the mine detectors don't pick up."
Yep!
Love the music at the beginning of this episode. What's the name of this song and who does it???
Just curious.. what calibre is that S&W revolver? .32? Great info and so important to see real history.
My father told me he knew a guard at a prisoner of war camp. He would trade cigarettes for medals, badges and the like from the prisoners. My father had a shoe box full of them that he got from the guard. When my father joined the navy and got back home, his mother had thrown the box away. Today they would be worth a fair dollar to militaria collectors. Back then, they were fairly common items.
Hugo Boss Designed the German Military outfits ...the guy had style
Hugo Boss did produce a snappy uniform.
True story.
Actually, no. Hugo Boss only had the contract to produce the SS uniforms, two SS officers who's names escape me at the moment, one was an artist and the other a professional graphics designer, are the ones who came up with the SS uniform design.
Cool
Bouncing betty,s were also made of wood.
"Gun of Destiny?" Maybe. In my opinion the gun that REALLY set 20th Century Europe on fire was the Model 1900 Browning .32 Automatic Gavrilo Princip used to assassinate Archduke Francis Ferdinand in 1914, which led to World War One and all that came after it.
Solid point.
@@TheHistoryUnderground Thanks! Gavrilo Princip doesn't get the "credit" he deserves.
So imagine you're the first one in the apartment as the allies take Munich. What are you going to take?
Id be looting everything I could carry. Spoils of war and all that. I know someone who has a mahogany cigar box from the apartment.
Everything. I'd have to have a shipping container to hold everything that I would have walked out with.
Anything that can fit in my bag
Unfortunately, I misread the title and thought this was about the gun the Serb used to kill Archduke Ferdinand starting WWI. (… my bad)
I believe in war plunder. To the victors go the spoils.
In the new military, such things are frowned upon and even prosecuted for.
Was it a S&W? .38?
Make and model of the gun?
Is it possible to do a series on the day's of pirates ☠️?
Oh man. That would be tough.
@The History Underground how about just a bit about Black Beard? I believe that you would do a great job at that piece of history.
Geli was a prisoner in that apartment and took the only way out.
What a collection!!, the German ss officers had an elegance with their uniforms compared to other branches of the military
Pretty amazing piece.
@@TheHistoryUnderground please don't stop making this amazing content, some of the best on TH-cam!!
Intimidation by elegance, not unlike the CEO in a bespoke suit that costs a year’s salary for those he employs. I personally like the egalitarian if somewhat rumpled look of the US officers.
@@Chiller01 your definitely right about the intimidation factor with the all black uniform. Couldn't imagine the fear those people felt not only by the presence but the reputation of violence that the SS had
That's the mine that took my uncle Frank's leg
Those things were nasty.
FYI for those who do not know nazi ranks, Sturmbannführer = US Army Major rank.
Pity the freaking little corporal didn't off himself. A lot of lives might have been saved.
Agreed. And thanks for the extra info on rank.
Such claptrap about the Geli gun. The true gun of Destiny was the one used by Gavrilo Princìp to start World War 1. Without World War 1 -- no Hitler or Naziism.
Solid argument.
A. Schicklgruber?
Hitlers moustache went quickly out of fashion i think.. The name Adolf too.. 😂
Yeah, those both went out of style pretty quick.
Hilter had relationship with his niece?!
The Treaty of Versailles led to WWII.
Very interesting artifact of Hitler revolver. And His niece committed suicide with the same gun.Thank you for sharing!
Pretty wild story. Glad that you enjoyed it.
Geli died in 1931. Hitler was already on his way by then. It had no effect on his trajectory.
Was the spear of destiny not a Gun
To have Hitler's two medals is beyond belief. The center piece of any museum. That SS Officer's hat alone is worth at the least 100k.
Pretty wild.
@@TheHistoryUnderground WW2 German militaria is the most expensive in the world. Also the most counterfeited. The rule is don't buy anything SS because it's fake. To have a historic piece like the uniform with provenance is incredible. Be sure to take great care of these historic and valuable artifacts. Recently in western Canada a museum was broken into and a Luftwaffe uniform was the target. It was well protected and saved.
Hitler had more than one Iron Cross and Wound Badge. Common practice for decorated uniform (of any type) wearing Germans was to permanently wear any prestige decorations on their uniform jackets. Having multiple decorations was an easy way to avoid switching out the decorations constantly. Certainly there was THE Iron Cross awarded by ceremony but others could be purchased at jewelers shops.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 yes, I believe Hitler had 2 sets.
@@jeffsquires6620 Possibly even more, maybe one set for every uniform jacket he had but there's no way to know for certain at this point. He certainly could afford more than two sets, especially when he "hit the big time."
Georg winter. Not George.
I'm getting grumpy--waving the camera about makes the objects hard to see.
Maybe hit the pause button? :)
@@TheHistoryUnderground Hit and hit and hit and hit the pause button--there's got to be a better way to present, but I just haven't figured it out yet. Good stuff, but I need to get some Dramamine if I'm to continue watching the hand-held shaky cam presentations.
There were all sorts of rumors about Geli including that she had been murdered by her cousin, she tried and failed to kill Adolf, and the reason Adolf had a revolver license was that he had been a government agent.
I was always told that Hitler's original plan was to reunite all the Germanic tribes into one under the German banner. Many people also forget they were starving and Hitler put food on the table. Great video y'all as always. Thanks for bringing the rest of the story to table. 👍👍👍👍👍
And they forget that he did it in 5 years, turning Germany from a ruined depressed country, to one of prosperity and hope. He's also the only dictator I know who was elected into power
@@buckberthod5007 he ultimately destroyed Germany and by August 1944 there were more 7.6 million foreigners in Germany through forced labour despite the Nazis promise of a pure race through the Volksgemeinschaft policy.
@@buckberthod5007 germany did not really prosper because of it's own capability, all the money was borrowed, the nazis never intended to pay it back, the just planned to take over the world by the time the payback was due. that germany was hopeful is a lie spread by neo nazis. i am german and i learned in school not to fall for this myth
@@Roller_Ghoster Hitler offered the British and French no more then 42 times for peace between the 2 countries. De Gaulle and Churchhill refused because they where hell bent on destroying the German people because how dare they rise up from the ashes and become powerful once again. It was not Hitler that destroyed Germany, it was the invading armies
Hitler and the Nazi party rebuilt Germany on the back of the Untermensch. The German people have no one to blame but themselves for the destruction of Germany.
Wow! I think things would have happened anyway, maybe over a longer period had his niece not committed suicide. However I'm sure it definitely propelled events because it obviously unhinged Hitler. The name Winter, I believe in the German language there is no "W" sound! Wouldn't his name be pronounced with a "V" sound?
Sharing two out of three names with a nazi is interesting.
Taking any Hitler medal back to his apt. was the one and only return I would never ever try. Think they are about sick of that guy's zany antics
We met a police officer outside. She found it quite fascinating.
0:17 „Bohemian“ corporal? Austrian or Bavarian would be correct. Or did you mean somethingelse
No. That’s what I meant. Here’s a reference: encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/paul-von-hindenburg. Scroll to the part where it talks about Hindenburg & Hitler.
@@TheHistoryUnderground Still a pretty weird way to describe Hitler (from you). Seems cringe or more probably just ignorant.
@@janholub1559 - It was always meant as a derogatory towards Hitler. I’m failing to see how this is bad. 😅🤷🏻♂️
@@TheHistoryUnderground Ah, i thought it was just ignorance. Well okay, just use my ethnicity as an insult to a guy that wanted to exterminate said ethnicity because an old ass german general got confused and forgot he was austrian
George Winter doesn't sound really german...
Dude. You’re into this stuff and you don’t know the symbolism of the Wappenschild for München?? Mein Gott in Himmel. 😮😢
The reason i ask this question why did hitler leave that item in the apt if it meant so much to him next why are u not doing dna testing to confirm hitler die at his bunker through his brother or other living realitive s past and present
Interesting that both women Hoyler had serious relationships with, at least known relationships, died by their own hands.
Talk about a toxic boyfriend!
Me thinks that is a lot like saying guns cause shootings.
Nah.
Nah! WW2 was just a continuation of WW1, in fact most of the 20th century was just one long huge horrible war fest sadly 🥹😒😒
Hi. no one really knows what rank Sturmbannführer actually is. Maybe let the viewers know that it's equivilent to a US Army Major rank or perhaps mention equivelant American rank in your future awesome videos?
Thanks! It would be the equivalent of a major.
I got to say I cringe when you use the the word “loot” or “looted” lol. The soldiers didn’t loot those items. They took trophies from a hunt against an evil regime and ideology and specifically from its leader. Looting is a crime. Taking war trophies isn’t. But we all get the idea. Thought I’d smooth that over for ya. Love your work sir.
Thanks!
What about the gun that Hitler used to commit suicide,who has that ,once again great job gonna make trip soon from VA to see the museum love your lessons in history bet your a great teacher 👍👍🙏🙏