No the British were finished by the year 1870, after the 1850 Irish Potato Famine, the country failed, John Ruskin in the book 'Crown of Wild Olive' tries reawaken the empire spirit, but to no avail. WW1 and WW2.
Thanks for the comment - it's such a beautiful machine the 188 - the next time I'm in the U.K. I'll definitely try to schedule a visit to the RAF Museum at Cosford where she sits to this day
Britain had the Miles M52, which suddenly disappeared and then the Bell X1 turned up in USA, the design was pretty much identical. Was it a co-incidence that British government had allowed a delegation from USA airforce to visit the Miles factory a while before the Bell X1 appeared ?
This aircraft is in the RAF Cosford aerospace museum and still looks a beautiful futuristic aircraft straight out of a Dan dare episode in the Eagle comic magazine.
Thanks for watching & commenting Barry. I put a link to the actual plane in the video description (just click on the video title above to see the text etc). I'm also getting a Buster Crabbe vibe from the canopy styling - a bit like the RAF Victor & Vulcan aircraft - If you're of a certain age (as I am) you'll get the reference! That said, you are dead right about Dan Dare - he (& the ever-loyal Digby) did cross my mind more than once whilst I was editing the flight recording for this TH-cam video
@@agunemnon I saw a TSR-2 in Duxford in 2019 - the sheer size of them is impressive, they look like they were designed in the 90's rather than the 50'-60's
Britain had the Miles M52, which suddenly disappeared and then the Bell X1 turned up in USA, the design was pretty much identical. Was it a co-incidence that British government had allowed a delegation from USA airforce to visit the Miles factory a while before the Bell X1 appeared ? I also believe the TSR-2 was cancelled after an American delegation was allowed to inspect it, the UK government always buckled under pressure from USA.
Hi Chris - I recall reading something along the lines you mention many years ago, there was some bad blood between the British & Americans in respect of the speed records back in the late 1940's & early 1950's & certainly Chuck Yeager was quite open about that in his autobiography. If anyone's interested - here's a link to the British M52 that Chris is talking about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.52 If it actually turned out that Larry Bell's team built the X.1 from British blueprints & on the back of successfully completed wind-tunnel testing in England that would be one of the greatest aviation stories ever told. Even an RAF Spitfire could hit 0.89 Mach all out going downhill www.bbc.com/future/article/20160505-the-spitfires-that-nearly-broke-the-sound-barrier. What Chuck did was break through that barrier in level flight (originally air-dropped then later ground launched). Fair play to Yeager, it's an iconic moment in aviation and for his brave legacy. It's easy to comment with hindsight - what I think he expected was some kind of shock-wave build-up so strong that the aircraft would essentially start to structurally fail & when that happened it would be instant & he certainly wasn't alone. His expert engineer Jack Ridley was legendary too. I admire those guys - all of them ! Maybe one day some news appears - who knows, but to me...Chuck, Eric, Godfrey & others they are *ALL* heroes ! Hopefully I can get my hands on a simulated TSR-2 if one is designed (doing what I can...). Certainly, I'll put my best efforts into the Avro Vulcan videos when that aircraft is released to the flight simulation community later this year - it's currently being designed with the co-operation of actual ex Vulcan engineers & pilots - so to call this 'gaming' is really just a best-fit category which TH-cam insists on 'tagging' for every content creator. I do have several 'study-level' aircraft videos - that means - every system, flight model is replicated precisely - but I've just linked one for today - the BAe Hawk aircraft featured in a few of my videos - if you're feeling lazy - here's one...th-cam.com/video/v9S9DC1bhxc/w-d-xo.html the rest will be re-done or ultimately deleted as I've applied more to the craft of video capture, the tech involved & the editing process.
The British Government ordered Miles to hand the plans of the M52 over to the American Government 'in the spirit of cooperation', where they immediately found their way to the Bell company where the designs became the X-1. The TSR2 was cancelled because the Americans offered the F111 at a discount price even though it was still only on paper. Once the TSR2 was cancelled the rival F111's price went up and its performance figures came down. There was a lot of skulduggery from Lockheed and General Dynamics during this era, only a bit of which was eventually discovered. By then most of the rival companies had gone under.
@@chrisknight6884 Hi Chris - that's what I recall reading about - yes there was some kind of a link in the story to the TSR-2 & the F-111 - it's coming back to me. Just out of interest what was the source of the information ? It's probably back in the 90's when I heard that & I don't want to get flamed by my American cousins or haunted by Chuck Yeager 😬
@@chrisknight6884 Exactly right Chris,just look how the Americans pushed the 104 Starfighter onto NATO which highly dangerous.Its a disgrace how UK/Europeans allowed themselves to be bullied this way when we already had successful aircraft designs of our own.
My dad worked on that project. He was with the DeHavilland aero engine division. The fuel consumption was so high and the tanks so small, that there was insufficient left at the end of the supersonic tests for a go-around, so every landing had to be perfect.
That's brilliant - thanks for sharing Chris! With a stall-speed of 190 knots, landing the beast took skill ! I'm speculating here, but I imagine they'd envisaged that the original engines would have been installed as planned - they would have got the bird up to Mach 2.0 without any issues whatsoever & very quickly too. The fuel-burn and internal fuel tanks should in theory have satisfied the test-bed requirements which were never met - i.e. the quartz-lined canopy tests, cockpit refrigeration & airframe temps at 500C+. Ultimately the UK had the tech, the engineers (certainly proven by the Lightning, TSR-2, V-bombers etc. no question) - it was Whitehall that dropped the ball (again) - and Flt Lt. Alan Pollock knew exactly what was going down back then and he was no fool. If you haven't seen that video I'll link it here as 99.9% of my channel viewers are (sadly for me) un-subscribed: th-cam.com/video/V8xcOFH8WRg/w-d-xo.html
It’s an amazing and forgotten history of British aircraft and jet designs from the forties to the sixties. It’s just unfortunate that either the funding or government backing wasn’t there. At least some did get through - the Vulcan, Harrier, lightning and Britain’s part in the Concord.
Thank YOU very much for the amazing detail on the jet that you recreated ! It's been a real pleasure to 'wring her out' & present her in the best way I know how to a wider audience
@@RCAvhstape The sharp nose definitely reminded me of the 104 - I did put in two brief shots during the taxi to the runway near the beginning which were inspired by "The Right Stuff" film.
Nice simulation, very pretty. The 188 could have been that shines, constructed as it was of stainless steel. Unfortunately like a lot of British designs it didn’t have enough fuel, the Gyron Junior was an incredibly thirsty engine, and not a J-58 equivalent, not even close. The 188 was supposed to evaluate the effects of airframe heating overlong periods, but by the time it achieved those speeds, it was running low on gas. Main benefits of the program were lessons in inert gas welding. Was the Hunter F3 (a one-off speed record machine) actually used as a chase plane? It certainly looked good, but was subsonic, a Lightning two-seater might have made more sense.
Thanks for watching & commenting, yes the Gyron Junior was a very thirsty beast - the endurance on the jet was typically 25 minutes for a speed run & her longest subsonic flight was 48 minutes. It's a good question about the chase plane - because the Mach 2 Lightning's were deployed in the RAF by the time the 188 flew. In real life they did use a Hunter - though it was a T7 not an F3 (which was Neville Duke's world speed record aircraft)
Meant to add, there was a Christmas card from a test pilot’s lunch / social prior to 1st flight of the 188 and Auty’s cartoon was labelled as ‘Most likely to have to eject in the next year.’
@@Puzzoozoo I would really love to get my hands on a high-fidelity / study-level Lightning simulator - I'm sure it'll happen in the near future - hit subscribe so you don't miss that or the Vulcan video. I'll start working on another 40'/50's iconic fighter for upload next week but that's Top Secret ! The Flight Simulation community is very competitive...haha !
When I was at primary school in Filton, we'd regularly her the sonic booms from the 188 flying over head during tests. My father would let me know what days we could expect them...
That would be thrilling for a primary school child to hear! The loudest planes I ever heard were Concorde & the Vulcan (no co-incidence given the engine commonality & planform) absolutely epic machines - you don't so much hear them as feel them - the vibrations pummeling your body from the runway up - but that Vulcan howl - I first heard in 1985 and to this day is still the most impressive sound I have ever heard (apart from Synchronicity Part 2 Live in Hong Kong by Sting...that was epic too)...
The Bristol 188 is on display at the museum at RAF Cosford.. I was surprised at how small it was. It's small size limited the amount of fuel it could carry and of course its range.
Not given. Bought out. British and Canadian's wern't willing to help fund alot of these projects. Was cheaper to let american companys develope then purchase or lease the finished products. Alot changed after ww2. Rebuilding europe was more important than building new planes to blow more shit up. It's a fact that gets overlooked. Europe was cash strapped to say the least, and bombed out and depleated.
The 188 was just another of many research planes built in that era. It was probably one of the least successful, but some lessons were learnt. The concept was entirely different to the Blackbird.
They often state that it was "unsuccessful" but I beg to differ, it was first and foremost a research plane designed, built and used for gathering information, the fact that information was indeed gathered then I would say that it succeeded in its task and purpose, the fact that they didn't get the results that they wanted is of no consequence to this aircraft at all, and those results would determine whether it was worth continuing in the creation of a second aeroplane or not.
Information is hard to find - most likely the supersonic dash flights were made over the sea. Given that most flights were from Filton near Bristol, quite possibly the Bristol Channel area.
Avro was one of the aero industries giants in R&D. Sadly Avro was declawed. The Avro 730 was cancelled not long after the Canadian Avro Arrow. Huge loss. PS: almost forgot, excellent video.
Many thanks for the great comment, I feel the pain of the Avro Arrow cancellation in Canada too having read some passionate comments on other YT channels on the subject - it was tragically short-sighted. Canada is my second-fastest growing channel market after Australia (the big guns are still UK & USA). Given some of the comments here the scenario developing is actually very intriguing surrounding those cancellations - & I'm most definitely not a tin-foiler - not one bit !
@@GenXpatPaul’m sure one of AVRO top engineers went on to work on the flying disc in Canada 🇨🇦 it was cancelled but the Americans took all the drawings and the actual craft I cannot remember his name he was English my brother was stationed at RAF SCAMPTON WHEN HE JOINED THE RAF 1967
There is a film made by Dan Akroyd about AVRO Arrow, how it was cancelled by a Canadian minister called Diefenbaker. Very enjoyable historical film starring Dan Akroyd.
Why was it 'ironic' that the a/c only achieved Mach 1.88 ? I suspect your dialog meant to say 'unfortunately, the a/c was unable to achieve its target speed'. There is nothing ironic about that.
Yes as a few commentators mentioned - if she had been fitted with the engines she was originally designed for...never mind those EJ200 Typhoon engines you mention - oh yes !
Why use a Hunter as chase with the Lightning already in service? You want it to shepherd an experimental Mach 2 I mean the Hunter could manage Mach 1.2 in a shallow dive, the Lightning standing on its tail.
@@jeffslade1892 Sorry Jeff - maybe the Lightnings were on exercise that week. I couldn't say my friend - and for sure that's a fair question. I guess I got wearied after waking up to another 100 comments pending my clearance along the lines of "Eff this cartoon $hit" etc..
'Bristol' had a hugely impressive list of aircraft going all the way back to before WW1. I still think the Bristol Belvedere helicopter looks like a Chinook on the 'Slimfast Plan'
Make that : "used to be able to build jets". Repeated history of innovative designs being cancelled so that funds could be diverted to support National Health Care and other aspects of socialism. Don't worry. You can always buy jets from the Americans.
What jets is britain buying from the US? Tornado, Typhoon, now the Tempest, nothing to do with the US. If you mean the F-35, thats a British-American aircraft, with the lifting system provided by Rolls Royce. BAe were also involved since day 1 and make billions in profit from the programme. Harrier and Canberra were sold in large numbers to the US. So which american jets are you talking about, exactly?
Thanks for watching & commenting. Their hands were tied by time, money, ever-shifting priorities & ultimately politics. The engineers were forced to look for replacement engines after the Rolls-Royce Avon R.A.24R engines (to be used in the Avro recon/bomber) were scrapped following the termination of that project in 1957 so the only realistic option back then was to use the Gyron Junior (a literal & metaphorical lightweight) - which required further adjustments to the airframe after an already lengthy & hugely expensive wing re-design. The team working on the latest RAF state-of-the-art aircraft 'Tempest' will have read about this in the "Worst Case Scenario" chapter of their textbooks, probably before studying the chapter "Why the Nimrod AEW3 Kept Detecting Soviet Strike Aircraft Flying Down Crown Road Inverness...(but they turned out to be taxis)"...well that's an exaggerated statement - with a kernel of truth. The fundamental flaw with the Nimrod AEW in reality was no joke - synching the pulse doppler radars in the nose & tail was much harder to solve than AWACS technology on a rotating platform like the E3. I hope to do a TSR.2 video at some point, but I don't design the 'virtual' planes myself, (which is a hugely complicated & time consuming process not unlike the actual aircraft with weights, friction, aero-dynamic forces, lift, drag, thrust - all calculated across dynamic surfaces in real time plus fuel balance, performance matching across all flight parameters)...but I have reached out directly to the designer of the simulated Bristol 188 aircraft to see if something could happen in that regard...the Avro Vulcan in the meantime will make an appearance as soon as the aircraft is released so *please subscribe* if you wish to see that !
Test pilots all seem serious and by the book when they testing things like this. But my guess is, as soon as they put their helmet on and dropped the visor, they were wearing shit eating grins from ear to ear. "0_o"
Pop quiz - at exactly 4m:27s elapsed time, there are 3 air force bases visible (2 are still active & the third is now an RAF Regiment base) - can anyone name them ? I used to live near them in Suffolk.
@@GenXpatPaul I would hope I'd 'get it' - I was SATCO at Honington when it was operational and responsible for ATC at all 3 airfields! As all 3 runways pointed at each other to a greater or lesser degree - it was an 'interesting' scenario!
@@concise707 I had no idea Honington tower controlled all that busy airspace - that's some of the most congested military airspace on Earth. You saw I buzzed the tower at Scampton in this video ? I'm going to buzz yours as a mark of respect. That's great & thanks for watching & commenting !
@@GenXpatPaul To be completely accurate, Lakenheath had it's own Twr and GCA facilities at the airfield, but they also had a 'tube' at Honington for Approach control and to facilitate integration during normal working hours; Mildenhall only had Twr, Honington controllers provided the Approach function H24. Honington also provided all Departure control for all 3 airfields. It was busy and complicated!
Well, they Really should have had 3 or 4 Hunters 'in-the-air' WAY Ahead of This critter!! The lone Hawker, at those ranges/speeds/alt's, isn't 'Helping' except to say 'it's Airbourne, ahead, WAY, Far-Freaking Way Far , of Me. Hope the landing gear doors closed, as , he was GONE b4 I Rotated up?! Yeah, just Explore the unknown, in a Proto Mach-2, by YOURSELF... WTH?!
Nice CGI and your creation of that chromed beauty, but, the engines are waaaay to long and they would mount them to take valuable lift areas on the wings, also, nobody is going to chrome plate a whole aircraft, too much extra weight just for looks not to mention the cost, I don't think titanium polishes up like that? Anyway, just couple things to think about for your next video, lol, just picking at ya...
@@difficultinterest1582Indeed the aircraft is literally a 1:1 replica based on the actual design plans of the jet, but she is also (& just as importantly) meticulously detailed in terms of how she flies. Correcting even a lowly 5 knot crosswind landing into 'Waddo'…an intensely active RAF station to this day - arguably designed by big wave surfers & not by military airfield boffins with spirit-levels…well those F-104 style stubby (indeed quite stabby...) razor-sharp leading edges loaded mid-span with very long engine pods concentrates the mind - even in a simulator...
25%+ of my viewers are not native English speakers....and growing very rapidly as the algorithm explores South America, E & SE Asia & other locales. Just putting that out there. An Anglo voice could be a 'change-channel cue'...I also feel that if done properly, certain videos should just be left as ambient sounds - with or without a soundtrack.
Well she certainly bore a resemblance my friend - though obviously in a completely different role. I was actually hoping someone would have linked the 188 to the CIA's A-12 Oxcart in the comments (purely from a physical resemblance only). Both the A12 & SR71 were much larger aircraft of course.
Nicely edited and put together. A mini documentary on the 188 using FS2020.
Very well said John ! That is precisely what I wanted to achieve ! 🤗
No the British were finished by the year 1870, after the 1850 Irish Potato Famine, the country failed, John Ruskin in the book 'Crown of Wild Olive' tries reawaken the empire spirit, but to no avail. WW1 and WW2.
@@keplermission4947 uhm...OK...🤔
Funny airbrakes.
Until a very brave pilot killed many people with one at Shoreham GB.
The harrier is better
Never knew Britain had such an aircraft. Britain was really one of the finest in aerospace technology.
Thanks for the comment - it's such a beautiful machine the 188 - the next time I'm in the U.K. I'll definitely try to schedule a visit to the RAF Museum at Cosford where she sits to this day
Britain had the Miles M52, which suddenly disappeared and then the Bell X1 turned up in USA, the design was pretty much identical. Was it a co-incidence that British government had allowed a delegation from USA airforce to visit the Miles factory a while before the Bell X1 appeared ?
@@GenXpatPaul RAF Cosford is well worth a visit.
I made a balsawood model of the Bristol 188, in the early 1960's. Painted in silver, it looked pretty good - wish I'd kept it...
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 Yes and it is FREE, except for parking - but is a great museum.
I think the Hawker Hunter is one of the most beautiful jet fighters ever made.
Agreed - they sounded great too
Agree, but I’d put the Mirage III right up there too. These two still look good today 60 years after they were made.
@@GenXpatPaul That blue note!
@@marklivingstone3710 Check your speaker volume is loud enough before you click on this link folks ! th-cam.com/video/82lm9ApDXOo/w-d-xo.html
no. you KNOW the hawker hunter is THE most beautiful jet fighter ever made.
What a great video. This is true art for a person like me who loves military history. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment !
This aircraft is in the RAF Cosford aerospace museum and still looks a beautiful futuristic aircraft straight out of a Dan dare episode in the Eagle comic magazine.
Thanks for watching & commenting Barry. I put a link to the actual plane in the video description (just click on the video title above to see the text etc). I'm also getting a Buster Crabbe vibe from the canopy styling - a bit like the RAF Victor & Vulcan aircraft - If you're of a certain age (as I am) you'll get the reference! That said, you are dead right about Dan Dare - he (& the ever-loyal Digby) did cross my mind more than once whilst I was editing the flight recording for this TH-cam video
Alongside the TSR2, stunning!
@@agunemnon I saw a TSR-2 in Duxford in 2019 - the sheer size of them is impressive, they look like they were designed in the 90's rather than the 50'-60's
Not anymore, dumped into a warehouse/hanger, won't be shown again I have heard😢
@@boffingeorge Anyone been to Duxford in recent days/weeks & seen the TSR-2 ?
Britain had the Miles M52, which suddenly disappeared and then the Bell X1 turned up in USA, the design was pretty much identical. Was it a co-incidence that British government had allowed a delegation from USA airforce to visit the Miles factory a while before the Bell X1 appeared ? I also believe the TSR-2 was cancelled after an American delegation was allowed to inspect it, the UK government always buckled under pressure from USA.
Hi Chris - I recall reading something along the lines you mention many years ago, there was some bad blood between the British & Americans in respect of the speed records back in the late 1940's & early 1950's & certainly Chuck Yeager was quite open about that in his autobiography. If anyone's interested - here's a link to the British M52 that Chris is talking about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.52
If it actually turned out that Larry Bell's team built the X.1 from British blueprints & on the back of successfully completed wind-tunnel testing in England that would be one of the greatest aviation stories ever told.
Even an RAF Spitfire could hit 0.89 Mach all out going downhill www.bbc.com/future/article/20160505-the-spitfires-that-nearly-broke-the-sound-barrier. What Chuck did was break through that barrier in level flight (originally air-dropped then later ground launched). Fair play to Yeager, it's an iconic moment in aviation and for his brave legacy. It's easy to comment with hindsight - what I think he expected was some kind of shock-wave build-up so strong that the aircraft would essentially start to structurally fail & when that happened it would be instant & he certainly wasn't alone. His expert engineer Jack Ridley was legendary too.
I admire those guys - all of them ! Maybe one day some news appears - who knows, but to me...Chuck, Eric, Godfrey & others they are *ALL* heroes !
Hopefully I can get my hands on a simulated TSR-2 if one is designed (doing what I can...). Certainly, I'll put my best efforts into the Avro Vulcan videos when that aircraft is released to the flight simulation community later this year - it's currently being designed with the co-operation of actual ex Vulcan engineers & pilots - so to call this 'gaming' is really just a best-fit category which TH-cam insists on 'tagging' for every content creator. I do have several 'study-level' aircraft videos - that means - every system, flight model is replicated precisely - but I've just linked one for today - the BAe Hawk aircraft featured in a few of my videos - if you're feeling lazy - here's one...th-cam.com/video/v9S9DC1bhxc/w-d-xo.html the rest will be re-done or ultimately deleted as I've applied more to the craft of video capture, the tech involved & the editing process.
The British Government ordered Miles to hand the plans of the M52 over to the American Government 'in the spirit of cooperation', where they immediately found their way to the Bell company where the designs became the X-1. The TSR2 was cancelled because the Americans offered the F111 at a discount price even though it was still only on paper. Once the TSR2 was cancelled the rival F111's price went up and its performance figures came down. There was a lot of skulduggery from Lockheed and General Dynamics during this era, only a bit of which was eventually discovered. By then most of the rival companies had gone under.
@@chrisknight6884 Hi Chris - that's what I recall reading about - yes there was some kind of a link in the story to the TSR-2 & the F-111 - it's coming back to me. Just out of interest what was the source of the information ? It's probably back in the 90's when I heard that & I don't want to get flamed by my American cousins or haunted by Chuck Yeager 😬
The Canadian Avro Arrow flew at Mach 1.98 in 1958 with 2nd rate engines, so 1.88 in 1963 is meh. Good looking plane though.
@@chrisknight6884 Exactly right Chris,just look how the Americans pushed the 104 Starfighter onto NATO which highly dangerous.Its a disgrace how UK/Europeans allowed themselves to be bullied this way when we already had successful aircraft designs of our own.
My dad worked on that project. He was with the DeHavilland aero engine division. The fuel consumption was so high and the tanks so small, that there was insufficient left at the end of the supersonic tests for a go-around, so every landing had to be perfect.
That's brilliant - thanks for sharing Chris! With a stall-speed of 190 knots, landing the beast took skill ! I'm speculating here, but I imagine they'd envisaged that the original engines would have been installed as planned - they would have got the bird up to Mach 2.0 without any issues whatsoever & very quickly too.
The fuel-burn and internal fuel tanks should in theory have satisfied the test-bed requirements which were never met - i.e. the quartz-lined canopy tests, cockpit refrigeration & airframe temps at 500C+. Ultimately the UK had the tech, the engineers (certainly proven by the Lightning, TSR-2, V-bombers etc. no question) - it was Whitehall that dropped the ball (again) - and Flt Lt. Alan Pollock knew exactly what was going down back then and he was no fool. If you haven't seen that video I'll link it here as 99.9% of my channel viewers are (sadly for me) un-subscribed: th-cam.com/video/V8xcOFH8WRg/w-d-xo.html
Wow - what a beauty!
Massive engines.
Really great video - thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you. That was a very satisfying watch. Good skills with FS2020. I subscribed.
Thanks very much - appreciate this comment especially. Thanks for the sub.
To me, anything that flies, has a pointy nose and spits flames out the back is a work of art.
Although my fav is the F104.
Really interesting and learnt a lot about great British Engineering.
Nice to see it given a chance to "live".
Ive seen this bird at cosford multiple times, and its defo a looker
Thanks for watching & the great comment.
what a great vid! thanks!
Thanks very much !
That's absolutely gorgeous. Never heard of this before
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Thanks for watching & commenting Rich !
Geoff Auty was a friend of my father. The T188 had a very short flight time and Geoff said it made him sweat every flight.
Thanks for sharing - that's excellent !
Lovely video. Excellent.
Many thanks!
It reminds me of A Thrust SSC land speed record car with wings
It was A good and interesting little documentary, liked and subbed- Thanks.
Thanks for the sub!
It’s an amazing and forgotten history of British aircraft and jet designs from the forties to the sixties. It’s just unfortunate that either the funding or government backing wasn’t there.
At least some did get through - the Vulcan, Harrier, lightning and Britain’s part in the Concord.
In the 50s and early 60s British aircraft were the best in the world
Fantastic video!
Thank YOU very much for the amazing detail on the jet that you recreated ! It's been a real pleasure to 'wring her out' & present her in the best way I know how to a wider audience
The similarities of the Thrust SSC and this aircraft are striking.
very similar indeed - good catch !
It also looks like a twin engine cousin of the F-104 Starfighter.
@@RCAvhstape The sharp nose definitely reminded me of the 104 - I did put in two brief shots during the taxi to the runway near the beginning which were inspired by "The Right Stuff" film.
@@GenXpatPaul Also the short thin wings and T tail.
My God..what a magnificent looking air machine! Fantastic animation.
Thank you! Cheers!
Really cool graphics.
Nice simulation, very pretty. The 188 could have been that shines, constructed as it was of stainless steel. Unfortunately like a lot of British designs it didn’t have enough fuel, the Gyron Junior was an incredibly thirsty engine, and not a J-58 equivalent, not even close. The 188 was supposed to evaluate the effects of airframe heating overlong periods, but by the time it achieved those speeds, it was running low on gas. Main benefits of the program were lessons in inert gas welding. Was the Hunter F3 (a one-off speed record machine) actually used as a chase plane? It certainly looked good, but was subsonic, a Lightning two-seater might have made more sense.
Thanks for watching & commenting, yes the Gyron Junior was a very thirsty beast - the endurance on the jet was typically 25 minutes for a speed run & her longest subsonic flight was 48 minutes. It's a good question about the chase plane - because the Mach 2 Lightning's were deployed in the RAF by the time the 188 flew. In real life they did use a Hunter - though it was a T7 not an F3 (which was Neville Duke's world speed record aircraft)
Meant to add, there was a Christmas card from a test pilot’s lunch / social prior to 1st flight of the 188 and Auty’s cartoon was labelled as ‘Most likely to have to eject in the next year.’
@@proteusnz99 That's brilliant - thanks for sharing 🙂
The Lightning engines were also thirsty, and at Mach 2 gulped all its fuel in 15 minutes or so.
@@Puzzoozoo I would really love to get my hands on a high-fidelity / study-level Lightning simulator - I'm sure it'll happen in the near future - hit subscribe so you don't miss that or the Vulcan video. I'll start working on another 40'/50's iconic fighter for upload next week but that's Top Secret ! The Flight Simulation community is very competitive...haha !
a beauty and a beast! fantastic!
Thanks Kenneth
What a beauty.
Her shape & the stainless steel panels are something else aren't they ?
When I was at primary school in Filton, we'd regularly her the sonic booms from the 188 flying over head during tests. My father would let me know what days we could expect them...
That would be thrilling for a primary school child to hear! The loudest planes I ever heard were Concorde & the Vulcan (no co-incidence given the engine commonality & planform) absolutely epic machines - you don't so much hear them as feel them - the vibrations pummeling your body from the runway up - but that Vulcan howl - I first heard in 1985 and to this day is still the most impressive sound I have ever heard (apart from Synchronicity Part 2 Live in Hong Kong by Sting...that was epic too)...
The Bristol 188 is on display at the museum at RAF Cosford.. I was surprised at how small it was.
It's small size limited the amount of fuel it could carry and of course its range.
Thanks for watching - hope to see it myself the next time I head to the 😄UK
Test aircraft are sometimes smaller than the production models, don’t know if this was the case here
Of Course. This test was a precursor that led to the creation of Concorde.
Thanks for watching & commenting Albert
You bet!
hunter: "i'm still here bro, raise your game."
Like it !
I would say it was a "Beautiful, Beast," with more of a lifting body and a streamlined make over it could do close to Mach 3.
Thanks for watching & commenting !
When I hear the name Avro I immediately think "damn Deffenbacker"
I hear ya !
A lot of our aerospace and missile tech was given to the US in the 1960's. 🇬🇧
You might enjoy this article Jacob en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Whittle
Not given. Bought out. British and Canadian's wern't willing to help fund alot of these projects. Was cheaper to let american companys develope then purchase or lease the finished products. Alot changed after ww2. Rebuilding europe was more important than building new planes to blow more shit up. It's a fact that gets overlooked. Europe was cash strapped to say the least, and bombed out and depleated.
You say that and much is true, but I live in England, close to where 3 batteries of Moscow capable American nuclear missiles were based circa 1961.
oh my, almost a scaled-down version of sr-71
Exactly - different role, different scale but I agree with you ! The 188 was much smaller - I've seen SR-71 aircraft in real life and they are massive
Great graphics and information of the type. Coincidence that it was given the number 188 and it only managed to reach mach 1.88.
The 188 was just another of many research planes built in that era. It was probably one of the least successful, but some lessons were learnt. The concept was entirely different to the Blackbird.
They often state that it was "unsuccessful" but I beg to differ, it was first and foremost a research plane designed, built and used for gathering information, the fact that information was indeed gathered then I would say that it succeeded in its task and purpose, the fact that they didn't get the results that they wanted is of no consequence to this aircraft at all, and those results would determine whether it was worth continuing in the creation of a second aeroplane or not.
The hunter was a beautiful aircraft
Did they really do supersonic test runs over UK land? What about the sonic boom damaging property on the ground??
Information is hard to find - most likely the supersonic dash flights were made over the sea. Given that most flights were from Filton near Bristol, quite possibly the Bristol Channel area.
Avro was one of the aero industries giants in R&D. Sadly Avro was declawed. The Avro 730 was cancelled not long after the Canadian Avro Arrow. Huge loss. PS: almost forgot, excellent video.
Many thanks for the great comment, I feel the pain of the Avro Arrow cancellation in Canada too having read some passionate comments on other YT channels on the subject - it was tragically short-sighted. Canada is my second-fastest growing channel market after Australia (the big guns are still UK & USA). Given some of the comments here the scenario developing is actually very intriguing surrounding those cancellations - & I'm most definitely not a tin-foiler - not one bit !
@@GenXpatPaul’m sure one of AVRO top engineers went on to work on the flying disc in Canada 🇨🇦 it was cancelled but the Americans took all the drawings and the actual craft I cannot remember his name he was English my brother was stationed at RAF SCAMPTON WHEN HE JOINED THE RAF 1967
@@thomasshepard6030 th-cam.com/video/85aFTVijEc8/w-d-xo.html 😜
There is a film made by Dan Akroyd about AVRO Arrow, how it was cancelled by a Canadian minister called Diefenbaker. Very enjoyable historical film starring Dan Akroyd.
@@MJ-tn5qp I'd never heard of that - and I'm a fan of Dan....do you have a link you'd recommend, or we'll find it via Google ?
Why was it 'ironic' that the a/c only achieved Mach 1.88 ? I suspect your dialog meant to say 'unfortunately, the a/c was unable to achieve its target speed'. There is nothing ironic about that.
I was referring to the top-speed (1.88) she achieved & the name of the aircraft (188) Raymond
@@GenXpatPaul Gotcha - thx
@@raymondwinn6479 😉
A stunningly designed aircraft let down by its engines, imagine this plane with EJ200 high bypass engines now.
Yes as a few commentators mentioned - if she had been fitted with the engines she was originally designed for...never mind those EJ200 Typhoon engines you mention - oh yes !
only 36000 feet! No chance against a Lightning!
Bristol 188 cannot reach Mach 3. It is a failure but the experience from this aircraft are carry over to the concorde supersonic airliner.
Why use a Hunter as chase with the Lightning already in service?
You want it to shepherd an experimental Mach 2
I mean the Hunter could manage Mach 1.2 in a shallow dive, the Lightning standing on its tail.
They used a Hunter as chase plane in real life - already been comments on this
@@GenXpatPaul I know. I was querying why they would do that?
@@jeffslade1892 Sorry Jeff - maybe the Lightnings were on exercise that week. I couldn't say my friend - and for sure that's a fair question. I guess I got wearied after waking up to another 100 comments pending my clearance along the lines of "Eff this cartoon $hit" etc..
Last 'Bristol' aircraft built.
'Bristol' had a hugely impressive list of aircraft going all the way back to before WW1. I still think the Bristol Belvedere helicopter looks like a Chinook on the 'Slimfast Plan'
I wouldn't like to have to polish that's every week
Haha
Excellent for 60 years of age just shows the UK can build jets.
Thanks for watching & commenting
Make that : "used to be able to build jets". Repeated history of innovative designs being cancelled so that funds could be diverted to support National Health Care and other aspects of socialism. Don't worry. You can always buy jets from the Americans.
@@jkoysza1 www.raf.mod.uk/what-we-do/team-tempest/
What jets is britain buying from the US? Tornado, Typhoon, now the Tempest, nothing to do with the US. If you mean the F-35, thats a British-American aircraft, with the lifting system provided by Rolls Royce. BAe were also involved since day 1 and make billions in profit from the programme. Harrier and Canberra were sold in large numbers to the US. So which american jets are you talking about, exactly?
@@TransoceanicOutreach Hawk too
Could never sort out the low endurance issues on this ....
Thanks for watching & commenting. Their hands were tied by time, money, ever-shifting priorities & ultimately politics. The engineers were forced to look for replacement engines after the Rolls-Royce Avon R.A.24R engines (to be used in the Avro recon/bomber) were scrapped following the termination of that project in 1957 so the only realistic option back then was to use the Gyron Junior (a literal & metaphorical lightweight) - which required further adjustments to the airframe after an already lengthy & hugely expensive wing re-design.
The team working on the latest RAF state-of-the-art aircraft 'Tempest' will have read about this in the "Worst Case Scenario" chapter of their textbooks, probably before studying the chapter "Why the Nimrod AEW3 Kept Detecting Soviet Strike Aircraft Flying Down Crown Road Inverness...(but they turned out to be taxis)"...well that's an exaggerated statement - with a kernel of truth. The fundamental flaw with the Nimrod AEW in reality was no joke - synching the pulse doppler radars in the nose & tail was much harder to solve than AWACS technology on a rotating platform like the E3.
I hope to do a TSR.2 video at some point, but I don't design the 'virtual' planes myself, (which is a hugely complicated & time consuming process not unlike the actual aircraft with weights, friction, aero-dynamic forces, lift, drag, thrust - all calculated across dynamic surfaces in real time plus fuel balance, performance matching across all flight parameters)...but I have reached out directly to the designer of the simulated Bristol 188 aircraft to see if something could happen in that regard...the Avro Vulcan in the meantime will make an appearance as soon as the aircraft is released so *please subscribe* if you wish to see that !
Britain in those days was leading in technology and industries but was killed by the unions strikes
I wouldn't dis-agree !
Cet avion aurait pu être le SR 71 britannique.😊
We were so far ahead. What the he'll has happened since
Well Typhoon & Tempest are reasons for optimism
Test pilots all seem serious and by the book when they testing things
like this. But my guess is, as soon as they put their helmet on and dropped
the visor, they were wearing shit eating grins from ear to ear. "0_o"
I'm certain of that ! Mach 1.88 is still 1,400mph / 2,200kph - that's enough to put a smile on anyone's face.
Pop quiz - at exactly 4m:27s elapsed time, there are 3 air force bases visible (2 are still active & the third is now an RAF Regiment base) - can anyone name them ? I used to live near them in Suffolk.
Lakenheath Mildenhall, Honington.
@@concise707 Well done !
@@GenXpatPaul I would hope I'd 'get it' - I was SATCO at Honington when it was operational and responsible for ATC at all 3 airfields! As all 3 runways pointed at each other to a greater or lesser degree - it was an 'interesting' scenario!
@@concise707 I had no idea Honington tower controlled all that busy airspace - that's some of the most congested military airspace on Earth.
You saw I buzzed the tower at Scampton in this video ? I'm going to buzz yours as a mark of respect. That's great & thanks for watching & commenting !
@@GenXpatPaul To be completely accurate, Lakenheath had it's own Twr and GCA facilities at the airfield, but they also had a 'tube' at Honington for Approach control and to facilitate integration during normal working hours; Mildenhall only had Twr, Honington controllers provided the Approach function H24. Honington also provided all Departure control for all 3 airfields. It was busy and complicated!
The Vulcan is scary. Reminds me of a UFO.
It's terrifying from a capability perspective but beautiful as an aircraft - and it looks angry too
A WINGED GREY HOUND, BRITIANS LAND SPEED CAR, OR A TWIN ENGINE F-104.
Like it
A stainless steel beast. We’ve still got it when we need to do something unlike our government leaders !
When Britain led the World in Aerospace ..... then the Politicans got involved .
Agreed.
Well, they Really should have had 3 or 4 Hunters 'in-the-air' WAY Ahead of This critter!! The lone Hawker, at those ranges/speeds/alt's, isn't 'Helping' except to say 'it's Airbourne, ahead, WAY, Far-Freaking Way Far , of Me. Hope the landing gear doors closed, as , he was GONE b4 I Rotated up?! Yeah, just Explore the unknown, in a Proto Mach-2, by YOURSELF... WTH?!
They might have done in real life - I couldn't find any records on the chase plane other than it was "a Hunter"
They really should have used the Avon on this, not the (terrible) Gyron Juniors.
Exactly right
It was the plane Musk would have built
He'd have had his designers ELONgate the wings...
Nice CGI and your creation of that chromed beauty, but, the engines are waaaay to long and they would mount them to take valuable lift areas on the wings, also, nobody is going to chrome plate a whole aircraft, too much extra weight just for looks not to mention the cost, I don't think titanium polishes up like that? Anyway, just couple things to think about for your next video, lol, just picking at ya...
Ha ha thanks for watching & commenting 😛 she was a real experimental aircraft planehistoria.com/bristol-188/
It's like for like, Mr. Expert lol
Oh dear, not a clue have you
@@difficultinterest1582Indeed the aircraft is literally a 1:1 replica based on the actual design plans of the jet, but she is also (& just as importantly) meticulously detailed in terms of how she flies. Correcting even a lowly 5 knot crosswind landing into 'Waddo'…an intensely active RAF station to this day - arguably designed by big wave surfers & not by military airfield boffins with spirit-levels…well those F-104 style stubby (indeed quite stabby...) razor-sharp leading edges loaded mid-span with very long engine pods concentrates the mind - even in a simulator...
@@skipper_hates_jerries I like to think of this as a sharing opportunity to educate "curiously minded" folks about the wonderful world of aviation 😅
Narration is a thing in the 21st century
☝️😌 just saying...
I'll take your constructive comment on board, thanks for watching and commenting !
25%+ of my viewers are not native English speakers....and growing very rapidly as the algorithm explores South America, E & SE Asia & other locales. Just putting that out there. An Anglo voice could be a 'change-channel cue'...I also feel that if done properly, certain videos should just be left as ambient sounds - with or without a soundtrack.
😂 its a blackbird, alright….
Well she certainly bore a resemblance my friend - though obviously in a completely different role. I was actually hoping someone would have linked the 188 to the CIA's A-12 Oxcart in the comments (purely from a physical resemblance only). Both the A12 & SR71 were much larger aircraft of course.
@@GenXpatPaul - please.
@@tobberfutooagain2628Well, given this pre-dates the SR-71, the American would be the copy.
This is like something out of Lockheed Skunk Works.🦨
Yes - you might like this video of the Top Gun Maverick 'SR-72' going for Mach 10 th-cam.com/video/Icq_w5xCezc/w-d-xo.html