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- A Russian pilot tried to shoot down an RAF spy plane believing he had been given permission to fire, according to a report.
Russia blamed a “technical malfunction” for causing the incident over the Black Sea on September 29 last year.
But intercepted communications suggest the pilot fired after receiving an ambiguous command from a Russian ground station.
The RAF plane had been flying a surveillance mission in international airspace when it encountered two Russian SU-27 fighter jets.
TalkTV’s Kevin O’Sullivan is joined by former RAF fighter pilot Tim Davies to get insights into fighter jets and the ‘nearly catastrophic' situation.
“There were very good lines of communication established between the UK and Russia… hopefully if those lines are maintained then we shouldn’t have too much more of this in the future.”
#talktv #talkradio #fighterjet #aviation #russia
I'm glad you had such a logical guy as a guest because your inflammatory headline was awful.
Why was the RAF over the black Sea collecting intelligence in the first place?
Maybe you just stupid
Because it is international waters. What else do u want to hand over to Putler, coward?
Ua wife?
True, the area around the black sea is a battle field
Because, you never know, this could expand into a bigger conflict. Sucking up intelligence on a potential foe is VERY useful should that potential bit be removed. Learn how they command and control, what their tactics are, what their movements are, etc, etc. To win an possible future conflict you must learn about your possible future enemy.
@@hughjardon5101 That all makes sense, but I cannot help thinking that they were there, just to poke the bear!
Perhaps instead of being over the black sea the RAF could protect the UK by being over the migrants and illegal boat ⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵ crossings
Perhaps we should keep our noses out of business that doesn't concern us..
Neville Chamberlain said very much the same thing when he went to Munich in 1938 agreeing to Hitler taking over part of what was then Czechoslovakia . Look how well that turned out.
@@olivergrumitt2601 Obviously you have no clue about what has been going on in Ukraine and the rest of Eastern European over the years. Ukraine is the most undemocratic and they their Politicians are stealing the money being sent. They are the most corrupt nation . And that’s before the targeting of ethnic Russians by Kiev since 2014. 14000 Ethnic Russians murdered and broken treaties by the West. Your ignorance is staggering.
Happened a year ago and has been reported before, ask yourself why are u being fed this again...I think your being fed this stuff for propaganda reasons,you should question why youve been given this story again
That is actually very suspicious and just shows ALL media are in on this and trying to either scare people or keep the war popular. Thank you for this comment i almost got tricked and started to worry.
Kudos to the former RAF pilot for saying it how it is.
Only it seems he's not particularly well informed!
I saw the headline and thought it was today. It was 12 months ago. Hardly news.
Your joking ?! why would they bother reporting ? to scare people ?
@@GeekyCSame here.The way they were talking was like it had just happened.
@@GeekyCYes mate.Scare mongers 😮
@@Anglo_Saxon1 when they do stuff like this it puts me right off. They are no better than the rest of the media they claim to be fighting against, can’t trust anyone now.
Seriously...what a scam..I ve been watching 'news' posted 4 hours ago to find out it was 2 years...scammers
What is the aircraft doing in warzone
U mean an illegal invasion of one country by another, must make other countries stop exercising their freedom of Navigation, right?
It wasn't, it was international airspace.
Kevin O’Sullivan what a tool he is the RAF guy did well not to walk away
Brilliant having Tim on one of our most talented and experienced fighter pilot thanks Tim
What the hell do we expect? Do this, do that, keep this war going....USA! We are a joke whilst people are still dying!
And how do u propose the war ends? Hand over Ukraine to Russia, make Russia even bigger and more emboldened to threaten the west going forward?
U clearly don't understand how strong Russia allied with Ukraine will be.Your naivete will kill you.
Exactly, biggest money laundering operation in the world
I find it interesting how when you were involved against Muslims you weren't crying this much on TH-cam. I rarely saw a single comment against the military interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. Now all of a sudden everyone and their mother is against helping Ukraine and we're not even involved directly with our troops there. You guys are biased as fuck.
Gentlemen, may I introduce you to BS TV in full trail all the way to the bull on the pasture!
This pilot gave a very clear and balanced view - more of this please and less histrionics.
Tim is legit.....if only we had more of that common sense in HQ
Tim is not an ex fighter pilot. Not all fast jets are fighters and not all fast jet pilots are fighter pilots. Tim was GR4 pilot, a mud mover, before flying Hawks as an instructor.
It would be better if he did his research first... The aircraft was not from Cyprus, it flew out of RAF Waddington in the UK, tanking over the North Sea before heading to the Black Sea. It was ZZ664, had an ATC callsign of Ascot 7215 and was over the Black Sea from 1345z until 1640z. All quickly obtained from open source, unclassified ADS-B data.
@@hughjardon5101 I bet you’re fun at parties
@@hughjardon5101 Thanks for that clarity Hugh.
@@seahorse9434 Well at least you'd learn something from him maybe.
Britain is providing intelligence and surveillance for Ukraine,as well as training of their man in British bases, and supplying Ukraine with military equipment, so de facto Britain is participating in this conflict against Russia in more than one way, hence one can see why Russia is considering British interference as unwelcome .
So Britain and other countries should just let Putin destroy Ukraine and its people? He will not stop at Ukraine if the world lets him.
Anything that helps Ukraine resist russian aggression it'll consider as unwelcome.
Under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum Treaty Guaranteeing Ukraine's Safety if they give up the Nukes USSR left behind when it collapsed . Russia broke that Agreement, Meaning Technically in my view USA, UK could have put Troops in The Ukraine Taking part in the Conflict
@@Trebor74 Obviously you have no idea what has been going on in Ukraine since 2014 and probably before that date of the Coup. Ukraine is the most undemocratic nation and is so corrupt it is unbelievable.
Britain and other nations as a part of NATO or even as an independent entity is entitled to gather whatever information that flight route as is possible. Once gathered it is up to NATO/UK to whom that info is disseminated. Britain has been considered Russian/USSR interference as unwelcome since about 1917 - has stopped them doing it anywhere in the world they felt they could cause foment, misery and discord. I sincerely hope as a UK taxpayer these flights are unwelcome by Russia and Russia is welcome to view it any British participation or lack thereof any way they choose. Or........ they could just return all of their armed forces back to within pre first invasion Russian borders tut suite and the world can ease springs a little while the cost of what they have perpetrated is toted and they are presented with the bill for reparations for the horrors they have brought to a free and democratic nations just going about its business of deciding its future without Russian interference.
One can only see what you wish to see because you wish to see it that way or you have a vested interest. Wonder what that interest may be.
As I understand it we just helped the Ukrainians launch a cruise missile attack on Crimea that damaged two Russian ships. Using British storm shadow missiles using the "Nato war games of the coast of Romania", as a cover for the launch by unknown aircraft. If those aircraft were from say the UK or US wouldn't the Russians be perfectly entitled to sink some US or UK warships in response?.
Now that Iran and North Korea are helping putin murder Ukrainian kids, ua preference is to leave him alone to do as he pleases with Ukraine, right?Wait till he is done destroying Ukraine. Then u can gladly confront a more emboldened, geographically bigger imperial dictator at your doorstep
You trying to start WW3?
@@edwardhinton1615 no, but our deranged politicians seem to be trying to do so.
Talking of entitlement the RuZZians were not entitled to invade Ukraine. it was RuZZian war games on the border of Ukraine that preceded thier invasion. They started it and they are drgging us into WW3.
They were not British, they were Ukrainian. They were British made or maybe the French made version. They were supplied to Ukraine just as various nations supply Russia with munitions and ordnance - What Russia does with them doesn't seem to cause you any grief - Why?
Need more men like him rather than sheep following the media. Try to take a look at other peoples perspectives.
The people who got us involved in the quagmires of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc have now got us involved in this - Why does anybody think this won't go just as badly as every other single military venture we've been involved in in the last 50 years or so?
Yeah lets let putin do whatever he wants , you muppet
We're not involved yet. If we were we'd have enough allies and assets to ensure Russia was already heading back homewards or feeding the sunflowers in Eastern Ukraine.
I find it interesting how when you were involved against Muslims you weren't crying this much on TH-cam. I rarely saw a single comment against the military interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. Now all of a sudden everyone and their mother is against helping Ukraine and we're not even involved directly with our troops there. You guys are biased as fuck.
Well if world war 3 does happen, i think it will stop the illegal immigrants crisis overnight 😂😂😂😂
Sure you're correct. When the Ukraine war started I remember news reports of black asylum seekers fleeing the country because they were being press ganged into the army.😂😂.
Might be just what we need 🤔
Well Britain will no longer be an attractive place to go to...what with all the rubble and fires and radiation...
If it does kick off Britain would be destroyed by 1 Satan 2 Missile. The Politicians and Media reporters have’t a clue.
The bullshit has to stop
Wow! That's deep. Don't know what to say about that other please give us the info you have on why it should stop and how it would stop and perhaps you'd offer your expertise in bullshit stopping to ease the process?
Kev straining at possibility of WW3. Man from RAF talks him down with much sense. Move along, please!
Sensation sells, pragmatic logic does not.
move along,...and let ruSSkij terror to rise ??
Probably missed because of british electronic counter measures
Why is this news coming out 12 months later ?
Because yesterday it was all about Putin getting support from Kim Jong. That little guy is itching to play with his nuclear toys. His involvement ups the ante so the BBC are sabre rattling, insinuating Russian aggression towards a NATO member, hoping to garner NATO involvement in Putins domestic fight. This is dangerous because so far, Putin has been very restrained in his response to interference from other countries and thinly veiled NATO support for Ukraine. Putin has offered a couple of times to ceasefire and negotiate, but the little green puppet refuses, preferring to see his country destroyed and people killed.
We are part of the problem not part of the solution.
We? Talk for yourself, Ruski.
We are part of the problem just sod off,its Russia who are the aggressors
You are right
@@katimboallan4605 - I agree Russians and Africans are part of the problem.
What’s our plane doing there?
The world is a very frightening place these days
Understatement
Always was and for as long as human are inhabiting it it will remain so.
@@paulhiggins6024 good advice sir , indeed. Very few of us posting stuff can do anything about what's about to happen..or not happen
And the UK has no control of it's borders !!
No more so than it's ever been. There are people who's job and aim is to try to convince you otherwise however. You and your fellow Trollbots for example.
I've spoke to Kevin several times (mainly back in the good old days of TalkRadio) - the whole channel has gone downhill since they switched to TV. I have seen arguments about the 'airspace' and the RAF's right to be there - but set that aside for a moment and assume they are entitled to be there. The Black Sea is quite some distance from the UK; why don't the RAF prioritise on "direct" threats to UK security that happen every day in the sea between the UK & France?
Because its part of NATO duhhhh
@@andyfield6854the Black Sea joined NATO, excellent input
I completely agree, they want Ukraine to have a boarder but the UK has no boarders. UK needs to keep out and stop stirring the pot.
@@tinfoilhatter5318 Our military is going there because Russia has invaded three countries.We need to stop them invading Europe.Russian are looters and murders.
The UK is quite some distance from Russia, why do the Russians keep testing our borders.
Total invention. State of art fighter "misses" and then the other missle "falls off". Joke!
One missed one malfunctioned 🙄😅😂🤣 nope, one jammed one hacked.......way to go British technology 🙂
Just lucky that they were using high tech missiles and not good old point and shoot because there is no defence against them as the Yanks found out when someone used an RPG7 to down a chopper.
Malfunction? If they had not self-destructed those missiles, you seriously think it would not have downed the RAF?
Maybe it is time that Brits realised that poking the bear in the eye is NOT funny! WW3? Nah, those f**k up politicians will cover up their own stupidity! They can send young men to die for their stupid game of war, but they themselves don't want to pay the price with their own lives!
The guy in red talks sense
Where was this 'surveilance' plane located was it in international air space or did it just accidently stray into Russian airspace?
Of course those agitating for this conflict to escalate and involve the imperialist NATO must realise that the UK will be at the top of the list for a nuclear holocaust attack
Russians will never bomb GB because all Russian oligarchs and Russian government kids are in GB. Try harder RT bot.
UK is expendable as far as America is concerned...
As we have all seen in Ukraine .Russian military are incompetent.They should go home.All theses Russian men died for nothing.
The UK also has H Bombs & the means to deliver them anywhere, anytime. Before Russia's missiles even left their silos the UK would reply in kind. That's why that type of warfare is called M.A.D.
@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM To claim Russia wouldn't have the time to launch any missiles is an illogical claim to make and depends on different scenarios , ie, would it be because NATO got fully involved in the conflict, not just supplying weapons and equipment as they do now, would it be because Russia attacked a NATO country. Of course if nukes were launched there would be no winners as such, but Russia is multiple times the size of the uk, meaning it will cause more devastation on the UK than it would on Russia .
This is why the RAF pilots are the best.
What was our plane doing there? isn't it an electronic warfare aircraft? maybe it was seen as a threat because of what it was doing, or its proximity, and the climb down we have seen since the event appears as an effort to de-escalate a very bad situation, thank god common sense prevails in some situations.
Spying on the tinfoil hat brigade
Bullshit. We have a right to be over the Black Sea. It is international air space.
International air space you clown !
Doing its job and keeping our head sheds informed, accurate and current - exactly what the taxpayer pays them to do. What climbdown? Those flights continue apace with fighter escorts in case the Russians should be so foolish as to do it.
Well I would say that if we are involved in a conflict that has absolutely nothing to do with us then we can't complain if we end up potentially coming under attack.
Then by your logic Britain should not have declared war when Hitler invaded Poland. What did the Germans and Poles have anything to do with Britain?
@@olivergrumitt2601totally different scenario.
@@trulyexorcise2918: But the analogy is the same.
@@trulyexorcise2918not really German invaded Poland. Russia invaded Ukraine. What’s the difference?
@@TravelsTTG
The Germans didn't have ten thousand nuclear bombs, that's the fucking difference Napoleon 👈😑
'Trust me, this incident could have led to world war III' No it couldn't and no I don't trust you, or any other idiot that asks some of the kind of questions you were asking in this interview.
First of all the British army is directly involved and has been involved in proxy wars and in this specific proxy war since even before the current war in Ukraine started. No, it wouldn't ignite WW3 because that would mean a complete destruction of both sides with nuclear bombs which will lead to a complete destruction of humanity. Even if such an incident were to happen, it wouldn't be the trigger because it can't be a trigger for a direct war that can't happen and both sides know that well.
yup Observers, and BATT's (British Army Training Team's) which are usually comprise of SF guys.
Yeh because no war ever has spun out of control.let’s just stay the hell out of it
Destruction of west….😂
But do the AIs in control of all the missiles know that....
They were saying the same type of thing in 1914 and 1939 and that turned out okay didn't it?
Love you Tim sir ✌️
Wow! Insightful! Thanks 🫡
Very good and frankly explanation
Why is this blowing up today? It happened and was on news 10 months ago.
Russia is at war. What was an RAF plane doing there?
It was in international air space. The Russians do this all the time over the North sea
@@Charlieb6308 there is no war happening in the North sea tho
@@Charlieb6308And we don't go anywhere near Russian sovereign territory do we.. us being the good guys.
A good question to the British government. Well it appears that they are involved in a proxy war against it without the permission or knowledge of the British population.
And who started the war?The UK, right?
Oh, helping a country defend itself from a brutal invasion is a no-go for the west, right? Move over, ua time in the sun seems over.If u are a westerner, U can shut uaselves inside your inward looking borders and leave the rest of the world alone.
"You know, the plane's TWO missiles". Stay in school. Get off of the air!
It would have been an extremely short War
What was the RAF plane doing in a place where the Russian plane was?
What was the Russian plane doing in a place where the RAF plane was? It is international airspace, the RAF have every right to be there, as did the Russian. However, the Russian plane did not have the right to open fire.
@@hughjardon5101 True, but when a Russian warship wants to come down the English channel it is very closely escorted by our navy.
@@rogersmith8339 But? I did say the Russian aircraft equally had the right to be in that airspace, but did not have the right to open fire. When did the RN last open fire on a Riussian warship in the English Channel?
@@hughjardon5101 They aren't allowed to use their guns as they are too loud for modern sailors and cost too much to fire!
And there speaks a man of reason…………makes the hysterical head line look like it is just that.
Every media outlet in the world has been talking about this except the news media here in the US 🤦🏿♂️
Britain became supporter's of nazi's in the fit of rage against Russia 😂😂😂😂
That's actually true.
Which Nazis?U mean Russia? Because non-Nazis don't kill children and seek to wipe out an entire population of their neighbors.
The bot is busy
Ahh, Godwin's Law rears it head....
Russians are not stupid, but like any other nation there are times of confusion that could result in disaster and in turn a greater disaster. I'd like to think the pilot in question is now grounded and reflecting on his misinterpretation of information. I remember a story of a Russian nuke missile operator who decided not to retaliate to a warning on his screen during the Cuban missile crisis and fire his missiles, averting a war. So as we can se it's not a one way street, accident can happen on both sides.
They are impoverished cabbage eating clowns ! Fuck them
I remember hearing that story.
seems like russians are more confused than others..
All credibilty lost in the first sentence - Russian indeed are stupid or they would not have obeyed Tsar Putrid the Unmighty and allowed themselves to be sent to invade their next door neighbour and killed/maimed in any numbers let alone the sort of numbers we are witnessing currently. If they were not stupid they would still not be coming, some of them even knowing what's waiting for them as the information has filtered back to their towns and villages from those who have been dumped and duped to attend the slaughterfest looking for non-existent Nazis and NATO troops and others have used VPN's to circumvent the Russian censorship/misinfo industry being paid for by the FSB. Of course you're not one of those........Are you?
Why should russia not? Ukraine did use british supplied storm shadow missles
Clearly Russia thought it should not otherwise they would not have gone to such great lengths to talk this down to their British counterparts.
@@Scaleyback317 😂😂😂😂😂 you need to look at alternative media sources. It's no good having a smart phone if you're not smart enough to access all information available before making an informed decision. It was good enough to make them disappear and not transmit any more information to the nazi led Ukrainian forces
And Russia does use Iranian shaheed drones to bomb hospitals and schools.
And Oh, FYI, Russia is attacking Ukraine, and Ukraine is defending itself.
I bet u did not know that.
Idiot.
International airspace? Ever heard about such?
Hi Ruzzian Bot
Last year
Happened all the time in the cold war
Almost hourly somewhere in the world.
russian incompetence strikes again
Awsome
If you play with fire....
12 months old, old news
Tellingly both the missiles the Russian aircraft fired malfunctioned, which says a lot about the poor quality of Russian armaments production.
You don't know much about military technology do you ?
I’ve met Russians on holiday. They are like apes who’ve never seen so much food in their life ! Absolute clowns
True, even the so called most advanced aircraft such as F-35 have crashed recently. Last yr in December 2022, an F-35 malfunctioned and crashed landed
The same "poor quality Russian armaments" decimating the whole "most advanced" western military equipments in Ukraine 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Kevin could you please control yourself and make the questions shorter and clearer.
Sunak is such a coward he would have offered to reimburse the Russians for the expended ammunition.
Scaremongering this was months ago
I would say countermeasures were working.
Was the RAF plane crewed by some of the newer recruits?
A missile locks on to the target, how did it miss ? Thats what i wanted to know!
Poor targeting by the pilot firing, loss of radar lock, electronic jammers, decoys (chaff/flares)...
Lots of reasons.
It locks until such time as counter measures are employed. What do you think an ECM recce plane might have on board to counter such missiles.
Why is the raf there?
U mean INTERTIONAl waters?Sigh!
the misinformation from this channel is insane, why is it allowed?
Probably the same reason as the BBC and ITV
who both reported the facts, like it was 2 pilots etc and that it would take more than shooting this plane down for ww3, or that other nations are using drones over the black sea but the UK is the only one using manned flights @@justincase6645
Fair enough comment
It wouldn't, another sensationalist headline.
Sunak sent RAF planes in to black sea , Russia staged a what could happen incident to make a point, As for shooting down an RAF plane it would not start world war ,just a strongly worded letter ✉️ And a show in the UN of sabre rattling 😂😂😂😂😂
Bear D's have been around our airspace for decades. Do we fire at them?
It could but it diden't... this occured 1 year ago!
Time to escort the surveillance planes with F-35's. Lets see them try it again.
to bad he missed is target. try and try again.
What sort of turd are you ?
The Russians are also edgy when RN ships enter the Black sea. Tim is a 100% right, you've got to look at it from the Russian point of view. That's why the media needs to calm down a bit and not jump to conclusions.
Bring it on, might stop the DD's coming here 😂😂😂😂
hopefully, our EA7 Wedgetail is flying safely over the black sea.
Imagine this pilot was, stanislav petrov or vasili archhipov, two Russians who held their calm, and averted certain nuclear annihilation, this pilot would have been responsible for ending the world in 1962, .
Russia could try to lock all its targets on radar
One thing that amazed me was how bad the Russian equipment was. You can’t count on every piece of Russian equipment to be that bad, but wow. He attempted twice to shoot down the unarmed British airplane and missed both times. Is that how bad they are? Or is that God preventing WW3 (at least yet)?
Am I wrong to take just a tiny bit of comfort in the superiority of our equipment compared to theirs?
If he thought that...Putin thought it too..russian pilotes don't think on their own
Well the UK didn't hide its intentions in getting involved in a direct war against his country including calling out for a direct war more than once these past 2 years.
How many Russian pilots do you know?
Spot spouting idiotic nonsense.
The British shouldn't be there it's nothing to do with them apart from them but abiding by agreements
some people just want to watch the world burn
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander .
Maybe the RAF should keep their nose cone out of Ukraine and Russia?
Don't mess with with the RAF them don't miss boys 👍
That Ruscist missile said *not today you are not the man to start WW3*
What you expect? And about if he hit the plane then nothing would have happened not “ all hell could have broken loose “as you say. And what the “mighty “British army of about 50k was going to do??
no it wouldn't, russia would say it was a accident and nato would say ok then
Year old news
An "expert" earlier on this channel said the plane was over Crimea - this would be a further provocation from the Russian POV
And i thought Crimea was Ukraine. Thanks for reminding us Crimea is russian, and out with rules based world.
@@dukakisomondi8552 The people of Crimea consider themselves Russian - if it was handed back to Ukraine a civil war would ensue.
My guess he was just a rouge pilot who wanted to start W.W.W 3
This was on 2022 so all forgot about. So why big up old news.
Why would this news station use such language is it to prepare the people for more of this language of war, and is that what is planned and preparing all their peace on the chessboard so when the time is right and they have left to their protected places , is it then and only then , that the emergency alert on the phones go off for the common man and woman to be informed.
Just a thought
If he wanted to shoot it down he could have.
Russia won both WW1 and WW2
Especially ww2, the west has forgotten. It also won against France in 1812
Actually Russia lost WW1, and the only reason they didn’t lose WW 2 was because of tons of military equipment from the US which saved them like what is happening now for Ukraine.
Russians also like to forget the US and British forces defeating Germany in North Africa, and 3 invasions of Europe to occupy the German military machine and divert attention from the Soviet Forces on the eastern front which the Germans could ill afford to do. Hence he Allied victory.
Im not even talking about how the allies occupying the japanese in the pacific prevented them from attacking Russia from the east and beating Russia for a second time (which Stalin was actually very worried about).
The Russians have performed terribly in every war they have been involved in for well over 100 years.
Why is this news. It happened a year ago😂
Wrold war 3? For whom England? No way
Are you a complete fool ?
Nato you donut.
And it’s world 😳
Wut?
The RAF is not just English. The whole of the UK are allowed to join.
True, UK would do nothing
@@stanleybuchan4610 and
The rest of nato….. typical yanks absolute re tards
Stop trying to wind people up with sensational headlines. No need for it.
Bit rude isn't it?!?
What's with all his hand waving ?
2022 it is late bit of news
Russia was in Afghanistan as well before the Americans and uk
So what. Meanwhile British missiles have hit a Russian nuclear sub.
And Iranian drones have killed Ukrainian children.
I’m not fighting Russia