Kensei, IBIS is better in GH7 cause it's easier to stablize smaller size sensor then larger one. That's all. 32bit float audio is great for concerts. It's like log/raw for image. You can adjust audio gain in post processing even when its clipped due to too much gain. Never any audio clipping due to bass or drums clipping. Thank you for comparison.
Great review! I picked up a GH6 on a big discount back in 2022 when the S5iix dropped. Couldn't be happier, I did buy a Sony A7Cii for FF stills however in my option doing video with FF has it's challenges regardless the brand your going to notice the RS.
Interesting, not sure if I've ever heard someone say an aspect ratio is difficult to work with. I guess if you just prefer wide aspect ratios like 3:2 or 16:9... Personally, I think 4:3 is more pleasing for single-subject content i.e. talking head videos, vlogging, portraits, etc.. But to each their own. Also, if you really wanna get some shallow depth of field, I'd suggest speedboosting fast EF lenses! For instance, a f1.4 lens becomes an f1.0 👍
Great review! They are great cameras. So when you say the S5IIX’s ‘versatility’ is the key differentiator, what do you mean exactly? Its relative key strengths are: - Size: smaller body - Bokeh - Low light - less noise - Dynamic range (one or two stops) GH7 strengths are: - Multi Ange screen - Codecs and 120fps - ARRI Log - No crops for 60p - Lighter and smaller lenses and a big used market so you can buy most lenses under about USD300 used - some much less. - IBIS quality Which is the S5IIX strengths are the most important for you and achieve the additional versatility? Both accept EF lenses with an adapter. If the GH7 body is too big the G9II is available for less money and it is lighter than the s5IIX. But it lacks ARRI Log, unlimited recording, some codecs and the multi angle screen. For me the G9II is most appealing because I’m not a professional and I have several excellent MFT primes and zooms. I have a G9 and would love to upgrade and ruminate a lot about the choice between the two cameras you reviewed and also the G9II. I have one L Mount lens (50mm S f1.4) and several EF lenses. I would probably only get one or two more L Mount native lenses (maybe the 18mm prime or a wide zoom and the 20-60mm). It is a difficult decision! I’m tending to favour the G9II as its smaller size with lenses (vs s5IIX) as the compact lenses deliver more practical versatility as I’m more likely to bring it with me. Full frame camera lenses can be large. And I still have a 5DIII for the ‘full frame look’ when needed. Welcome your elaboration of versatility’! Cheers.
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 It is a great feature but to get it you need to spend the cash to get the audio handle adapter thingie and it isn’t cheap.
The S5iiX has a slightly better image quality but with the ARRI log on the GH7, the image quality becomes better with slightly more dynamic range. The GH7 is better in so many other ways, where the S5iiX has advantage is purely in low light which with fast lens light the 10-25mm f1.7 & 25-50mm f1.7 on the GH7 one can get a good low light performance. The AF on GH7 with adapted lens like the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 work flawlessly on one of the reviews I saw on TH-cam as Metabone just released a firm update for their adapter v4.1. With this the GH7 is king
No matter how much GH7 videos I watch I haven't been sold it. I have the the S5ii and that is more then enough for my needs. Does everything I want. Full frame just feels better. I have the GH5 and to again has all the specs I need for using as a b cam. That's what the GH7 would be a B cam. So probably get the G9ii or get the S5iix when i want another camera.
@@GregorysBrain will be using the G9ii as a b camera. Maybe the odd take out but mostly b came. Using the GH5 an never had overheating issue same with G7 or G85. I don't live I a warm country so no need to worry about overheating
@orinorio1 , that really comes down to the resolution, frame rate, and codec you're shooting in. I wouldn't recommend shooting in, say, Apple ProRes422 HQ DCI4k with a G9ii, as it'll get quite warm. I'd recommend a GH6 over a G9ii for anything video.
@@GregorysBrain I wouldn't get a GH6 or a GH7. Like I explained the specs on them would be wasted for what I would use them for. I don't shoot in ProRes a lot. Maybe for a short promo video but for long shoots I don't use it. The G9ii will be a B camera. So i will have no issues with over heating.
6:00 Colour tone of t-shirt is obviously different. I really like the contrast from S5IIx. There is slight variation in the hues of the Sky and even in the white portion of the shot that is the track pants, GH7 is definitely on the warmer side, yellow is very much dominant in GH7, for eg. compare the colour of design on t-shirt. Details are pretty much the same but since contrast is really rich from S5iiX, black is poping out very nicely on the cap. I personally like the footage from S5IIX.
Thank you for the comparison - no offense, but I think you are a little biased towards full frame - just think about it. When the FF is better, then it's 100 times better, but when M43 is better, it's only slightly better. Each system has it advantages. If you are a content creator the 4:3 aspect ration is actually great, cause you can crob widescreen AND vertical video out of it. The image stabilisation of the gh7 and also the g9II are so superior to full frame cameras, cause the smaller sensor is of advantage here. You can get quite decent bokeh with prime lenses on MFT cameras and they are quite small compared to full frame. When I use my Leica 25mm, 1.4f I get the same bokeh as 2.8f on full frame and the lens is nice and small. I have a small camera bag with 4 lenses in them, 3 of them small prime lenses with f stops 1.4 or 1,7 Of course a full frame sensor can always give you more bokeh when you use prime lenses as well and better low light performance, but MFT is just fine in most situations, as long as you don't go to the extremes - like you said, when there is almost no light. I don't usually encounter situations where I want to film in almost no light ... I don't see the point? So I guess in summary, one tends to favour the gear or system you work with unless you really hate it ;-)
I made my descision. I bought gh7 over s5 and i am happy. Why do you say 4.3 is difficult to use? To me its the best and most versatile aspect ratio there is.
S5ii already shifted to magenta compared to GH6 and now GH7 shifts to more magenta compared to s5ii? GH6 still has better colors than any of these new ones.
I agree, I use the G9II, S5II and GH6, the GH6 has the best colors I ever seen from a Panasonic cameras, to the point I only use my G9II when I really need very good IBIS and AF in the same time.
well if you use the lenses like 100-400 (200-800 on full frame) those lenses are much lighter and smaller. Also more in focus instead of very thin focus on FF. There is also the fast sensor readout for high frame rates. So maybe m43 isnt for the average shooter unless you want a tiny camera and little pocket lenses. there is definitely a demand for it but its more specific these days. either pocket camera or a big zoom camera. Or if you really desire high frame rates slow motion or rapid fire photos. The average person is happy with autofocus, low light ability and thats why Sony FF dominated market for so long.
@@LucasCreativeTech FF lenses are getting lighter these days because more people buy them and lens manufacturers incline to invest in a popular system. Those M43 telephotos you mentioned, are very specific and expensive, whereas some of the new FF telephotos, like Tamron 50-300, are popular because they're relatively inexpensive and versatile for everyday use. Just simple supply and demand.
@@frankfeng2701full frame lenses can never be as small a i an hold lumix 12-35 between two fingers. Try this with a 24-70 on full frame. My 14-140 28-280 equivalent also is laughable small compared to full frame lenses. Just because full frame has a few cheap made little primes does not mean they can change the fact that full frame lenses are bigger and more expensive overall
No, this is again an opinion of someone who has never used both the GH7/G9II and S5II. MFT makes a lot of senses for small zoom, telezoom or pancake lenses. You can't found anything like this on L mount for now. Also the IBIS of the G9II/GH7 is better than the S5II, I don't even speak about the RS or the frame rates. I found my G9II much more interesting for video than my S5II 90% of the time.
@@aiseurnae5976 i use my gh forboudoir and portraitvideo and photography. I shoot everything at 2.8 which is 5,6 on full frame bokee terms because i want BOTH eyes in focus. Which means i have more lights in my shot than a full frame guy who has to stop down much more. I use my 14-140 for streetphotography and everything else . Mft to me is the most versatile system there is.
03:04 - The most important difference is that for 4K 60fps, the S5IIX can only do this with a heavy CROP in APS-C, i.e. 1.5x, which greatly reduces the possibility of recording at wide angles!
@@davidgautier5088 Actually it is not: the biggest limitation is that you have to use dedicated APS-C optics when you want to record in 4K 60, because if you use the normal FF optics (the ones you would logically expect to use with an FF camera), you have precisely a very large image crop, which cuts off the possibility of doing video in Ultra Wide or Wide mode, which does not happen with the Micro 4/3!
With a FF wide or ultra wide focal (I use the sigma 24-70) you can do everything you want to. Could you give me some examples where you had problems with croped 4k60? I think it is not a right problem, I may be wrong
@@davidgautier5088 If you use the 18mm on then S5II, you end up with 27mm in 4k60p. If you use the 9mm on MFT you have 9mm at 4k24 to 4k120 - all over sampled (only 120p without DRBoost).
Kensei, IBIS is better in GH7 cause it's easier to stablize smaller size sensor then larger one. That's all. 32bit float audio is great for concerts. It's like log/raw for image. You can adjust audio gain in post processing even when its clipped due to too much gain. Never any audio clipping due to bass or drums clipping. Thank you for comparison.
Great review! I picked up a GH6 on a big discount back in 2022 when the S5iix dropped. Couldn't be happier, I did buy a Sony A7Cii for FF stills however in my option doing video with FF has it's challenges regardless the brand your going to notice the RS.
Nice video, really appreciate these side by side comparison.
Interesting, not sure if I've ever heard someone say an aspect ratio is difficult to work with. I guess if you just prefer wide aspect ratios like 3:2 or 16:9... Personally, I think 4:3 is more pleasing for single-subject content i.e. talking head videos, vlogging, portraits, etc..
But to each their own.
Also, if you really wanna get some shallow depth of field, I'd suggest speedboosting fast EF lenses! For instance, a f1.4 lens becomes an f1.0 👍
Ja to me 4.3 is much better as well
Great review!
They are great cameras.
So when you say the S5IIX’s ‘versatility’ is the key differentiator, what do you mean exactly? Its relative key strengths are:
- Size: smaller body
- Bokeh
- Low light - less noise
- Dynamic range (one or two stops)
GH7 strengths are:
- Multi Ange screen
- Codecs and 120fps
- ARRI Log
- No crops for 60p
- Lighter and smaller lenses and a big used market so you can buy most lenses under about USD300 used - some much less.
- IBIS quality
Which is the S5IIX strengths are the most important for you and achieve the additional versatility?
Both accept EF lenses with an adapter.
If the GH7 body is too big the G9II is available for less money and it is lighter than the s5IIX. But it lacks ARRI Log, unlimited recording, some codecs and the multi angle screen.
For me the G9II is most appealing because I’m not a professional and I have several excellent MFT primes and zooms.
I have a G9 and would love to upgrade and ruminate a lot about the choice between the two cameras you reviewed and also the G9II.
I have one L Mount lens (50mm S f1.4) and several EF lenses. I would probably only get one or two more L Mount native lenses (maybe the 18mm prime or a wide zoom and the 20-60mm). It is a difficult decision!
I’m tending to favour the G9II as its smaller size with lenses (vs s5IIX) as the compact lenses deliver more practical versatility as I’m more likely to bring it with me. Full frame camera lenses can be large. And I still have a 5DIII for the ‘full frame look’ when needed.
Welcome your elaboration of versatility’! Cheers.
A HUGE advantage of the GH7 is 32-bit FP audio. Hope it'll also be added to the S5 II if it's at all (technically) feasible.
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 It is a great feature but to get it you need to spend the cash to get the audio handle adapter thingie and it isn’t cheap.
S5iix all the way as the first and primary camera. Lens selection and versatility are what you invest in.
those Odaiba shots are nice!! Come shoot in Niseko!
The S5iiX has a slightly better image quality but with the ARRI log on the GH7, the image quality becomes better with slightly more dynamic range. The GH7 is better in so many other ways, where the S5iiX has advantage is purely in low light which with fast lens light the 10-25mm f1.7 & 25-50mm f1.7 on the GH7 one can get a good low light performance. The AF on GH7 with adapted lens like the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 work flawlessly on one of the reviews I saw on TH-cam as Metabone just released a firm update for their adapter v4.1. With this the GH7 is king
What mount was reviewed?
may i know which video?
@@sebsefyu Metabone EF mount to M4/3 0.71 as seen in the review
No matter how much GH7 videos I watch I haven't been sold it. I have the the S5ii and that is more then enough for my needs. Does everything I want. Full frame just feels better. I have the GH5 and to again has all the specs I need for using as a b cam. That's what the GH7 would be a B cam. So probably get the G9ii or get the S5iix when i want another camera.
Big mistake...
The G9II has quite a few drawbacks for video when compared to the GH7, especially the lack of active cooling.
@@GregorysBrain will be using the G9ii as a b camera. Maybe the odd take out but mostly b came. Using the GH5 an never had overheating issue same with G7 or G85. I don't live I a warm country so no need to worry about overheating
@orinorio1 , that really comes down to the resolution, frame rate, and codec you're shooting in. I wouldn't recommend shooting in, say, Apple ProRes422 HQ DCI4k with a G9ii, as it'll get quite warm. I'd recommend a GH6 over a G9ii for anything video.
@@GregorysBrain I wouldn't get a GH6 or a GH7. Like I explained the specs on them would be wasted for what I would use them for. I don't shoot in ProRes a lot. Maybe for a short promo video but for long shoots I don't use it. The G9ii will be a B camera. So i will have no issues with over heating.
Excellent review of both cameras. I'm looking to upgrade from my GH5 and torn on which one to get.
Me too
same. if the s5iix had arri log and prores raw it wouldn't be difficult to choose.
I recently decided to get the S5iiX, the low light and autofocus are nice!
You're welcome! I am happy also. Thank you.
6:00 Colour tone of t-shirt is obviously different. I really like the contrast from S5IIx. There is slight variation in the hues of the Sky and even in the white portion of the shot that is the track pants, GH7 is definitely on the warmer side, yellow is very much dominant in GH7, for eg. compare the colour of design on t-shirt. Details are pretty much the same but since contrast is really rich from S5iiX, black is poping out very nicely on the cap. I personally like the footage from S5IIX.
Thank you for the comparison - no offense, but I think you are a little biased towards full frame - just think about it. When the FF is better, then it's 100 times better, but when M43 is better, it's only slightly better. Each system has it advantages.
If you are a content creator the 4:3 aspect ration is actually great, cause you can crob widescreen AND vertical video out of it.
The image stabilisation of the gh7 and also the g9II are so superior to full frame cameras, cause the smaller sensor is of advantage here.
You can get quite decent bokeh with prime lenses on MFT cameras and they are quite small compared to full frame. When I use my Leica 25mm, 1.4f I get the same bokeh as 2.8f on full frame and the lens is nice and small. I have a small camera bag with 4 lenses in them, 3 of them small prime lenses with f stops 1.4 or 1,7
Of course a full frame sensor can always give you more bokeh when you use prime lenses as well and better low light performance, but MFT is just fine in most situations, as long as you don't go to the extremes - like you said, when there is almost no light. I don't usually encounter situations where I want to film in almost no light ... I don't see the point?
So I guess in summary, one tends to favour the gear or system you work with unless you really hate it ;-)
4:52 check the brick paving colour, isn’t there a huge difference? Although I have no idea how much you edited the video, if lens are comparable etc.
yeah lol, even the size of the tiles changes per camera
@@ilearnfilmwhat about 4:31, colours are so different
The skin captured by s52x will turn green in the dark areas
I will say that using a speedbooster with MFT closes the gap a good bit between full frame and mft. I think i am leaning towards getting the GH7.
Intro 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you!!
I made my descision. I bought gh7 over s5 and i am happy. Why do you say 4.3 is difficult to use? To me its the best and most versatile aspect ratio there is.
Thank you for vedioo
Thank you for watching 🙂🙂
Can we get any arri Alexa log or 3f float audio for s5iix in future update ,is there any possibility to insert these 2 features via update??????????
I don't know but I guess we won't get them on S5IIX. Cuz S5 series is for more like general users while GH7 is not
You better gave auditions for moviess 😅😅😅@@KenseiAkatsu
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As you requested 😜
@@KenseiAkatsu gh7♡
good for u ,can you share logC3 footage ,thanks
S5ii already shifted to magenta compared to GH6 and now GH7 shifts to more magenta compared to s5ii? GH6 still has better colors than any of these new ones.
I get it you love sony green.. i like the new lumix colors. Its inbetween canon and Sony. Not as green as sony and not as magenta as canon.
@@andersistbesser no I like the GH6 colors even though I sold it today to go all FF and output to BRAW
I agree, I use the G9II, S5II and GH6, the GH6 has the best colors I ever seen from a Panasonic cameras, to the point I only use my G9II when I really need very good IBIS and AF in the same time.
I find that the colors are very similar to the OG S5.
In my opinion gh7 or other gh series makes sense only if you already invested in mft optics. See no other reason to buy if you just starting.
well if you use the lenses like 100-400 (200-800 on full frame) those lenses are much lighter and smaller. Also more in focus instead of very thin focus on FF. There is also the fast sensor readout for high frame rates. So maybe m43 isnt for the average shooter unless you want a tiny camera and little pocket lenses. there is definitely a demand for it but its more specific these days. either pocket camera or a big zoom camera. Or if you really desire high frame rates slow motion or rapid fire photos. The average person is happy with autofocus, low light ability and thats why Sony FF dominated market for so long.
@@LucasCreativeTech FF lenses are getting lighter these days because more people buy them and lens manufacturers incline to invest in a popular system. Those M43 telephotos you mentioned, are very specific and expensive, whereas some of the new FF telephotos, like Tamron 50-300, are popular because they're relatively inexpensive and versatile for everyday use. Just simple supply and demand.
@@frankfeng2701full frame lenses can never be as small a i an hold lumix 12-35 between two fingers. Try this with a 24-70 on full frame. My 14-140 28-280 equivalent also is laughable small compared to full frame lenses. Just because full frame has a few cheap made little primes does not mean they can change the fact that full frame lenses are bigger and more expensive overall
No, this is again an opinion of someone who has never used both the GH7/G9II and S5II. MFT makes a lot of senses for small zoom, telezoom or pancake lenses. You can't found anything like this on L mount for now. Also the IBIS of the G9II/GH7 is better than the S5II, I don't even speak about the RS or the frame rates. I found my G9II much more interesting for video than my S5II 90% of the time.
@@aiseurnae5976 i use my gh forboudoir and portraitvideo and photography. I shoot everything at 2.8 which is 5,6 on full frame bokee terms because i want BOTH eyes in focus. Which means i have more lights in my shot than a full frame guy who has to stop down much more. I use my 14-140 for streetphotography and everything else . Mft to me is the most versatile system there is.
03:04 - The most important difference is that for 4K 60fps, the S5IIX can only do this with a heavy CROP in APS-C, i.e. 1.5x, which greatly reduces the possibility of recording at wide angles!
Gh7 is cropped to, because you know, it’s a crop sensor
It crops in apsc which is larger than micro 4/3. If you use the right focal the result is better than micro4/3 without croping
@@davidgautier5088 Actually it is not: the biggest limitation is that you have to use dedicated APS-C optics when you want to record in 4K 60, because if you use the normal FF optics (the ones you would logically expect to use with an FF camera), you have precisely a very large image crop, which cuts off the possibility of doing video in Ultra Wide or Wide mode, which does not happen with the Micro 4/3!
With a FF wide or ultra wide focal (I use the sigma 24-70) you can do everything you want to. Could you give me some examples where you had problems with croped 4k60? I think it is not a right problem, I may be wrong
@@davidgautier5088 If you use the 18mm on then S5II, you end up with 27mm in 4k60p. If you use the 9mm on MFT you have 9mm at 4k24 to 4k120 - all over sampled (only 120p without DRBoost).
I think S-IIX is far better for photo and GH7 is best for Video jobs
단렌즈랑 줌렌즈 비교하니깐 화질이 많이 달라 보입니다.
Not a level playing field with the lenses used when comparing the two models.
What would it be right?
im buying an s9 and i blame you
I should be proud?? lol
Sick.of everyone comparing these 2 cameras..its like u guys get the same embsrgos lifted...sad
probably the least insightful and least helpful comment ive read in years. a lot of people are trying to decide between these two cameras.