There is one hub for BMX (racing) that has better engagement. Profile Elite was once 120 points for three degrees. Now, it's 204 points for around a degree and a half. Onyx Stealth has I don't know how many points, but it's true zero degrees. But, it's heavy and silent.
So it seems there is a trade off in engagement and weight of a hub. Would you consider the Elite to be a more popular hub in racing or a more overall better spec’d hub than Onyx Stealth?
@@stuartgibson what I said about the Onyx is really all I know. I do know that the Profile is more dominant on the track than the Onyx. I assume that is due to weight and sound. People love that sound. I also know that the Answer Holeshot and the Box Harmonic are now what what profile used to be. 6 pawls, 120 points, 3°. Me personally, I am a profile fanatic.
The Onxy hubs are not the same as the stealth hubs. They are similar but have different drive mechanics. Onxy hub used a sprag clutch. The True Precision(now Box components) stealth hub uses a one way roller bearing. They both have instant engagement and both are silent. Both offer less drag than a conventional driver with pawls. The Onxy is also the most expensive bmx hub on the market at around $550usd.
If you think it’s worth spending the extra money and you are able to spend it. It is cheaper when you order the hub brand new with a ti driver instead of doing the whole upgrade thing at a later stage.
Hey Stuart, is this really the FASTEST hub on the market? Also, what kind of bearing does it come with, I noticed you opened it, but I couldn't see the name. Thanks.
Doesn't take long at all tho. Keep in mind that because of the amount of pawls in the hub there is more resistance and it will make it slow down quicker than some other hubs. No point in comparing them, just enjoy them!
Well just like every other hub, if you plan on having a 14mm axle and hub guards then yes go for it! Female axles with profile hubs are less recommended because of the aluminum inner axle. I think they have steel upgrades for that too if you really want to stick to female axles.
more points of engagement is not a good thing. G Sport made a hub with infinite points of engagement (clutch bearing) and it was very hard to ride. Like 20 years ago.
I’m not familiar with that Gsport hub! I agree it is not always better but as far as engagement points on the Elite hubs go, I like them. It’s all just preference of the rider really
Could someone solve my doubt? I'm thinking of buying that hub and would like to know if it can withstand the rails using a chromoly axle. I hope you can solve my doubt
@@stuartgibson thank you very much for responding brother, I don't speak English very well and it was difficult for me to understand the subtitle of the video. Thanks in advance!
hey I have a question about the button head bolts for the elite cassette and for the elite front hub. Do they both use the same button head bolt? And do I need to get the 3/8 to 14mm one or can i use the regular 3/8?
Good question! Yes the front and the rear use the same bolts. You can use regular 3/8 in the cassette however, as your frame (extremely likely) has 14mm dropouts you will need to use spacers to fill in the gap. A 3/8 to 14mm bolt does that already so that's what I'd recommend. Do note that if you plan on riding pegs with the 3/8 to 14mm bolt that they have a specific peg bolt that has a longer 14mm section.
hey man I came across another problem. I have the hubs and the rims but when it came to spokes I came across something that I have never seen before. When i put the spokes into the hub they were super tight and won't move when they are inside the hub. Why is that? Do I need to get specific spokes for the elites? I know the length and everything but I can't lace them due to the flanges squeezing the spokes really really tight.
Hey Mark, the Elite does not need specific spokes. I think almost all BMX wheels use 14 gauge spokes. Maybe you have 13g ones? They are thicker. Are you using polished spokes or colored ones? I’ve seen some thick paint on spokes before that made them super tight inside the hub. Just know that with the issue you describe 99% of the time it’s an issue with the spokes and not the hub.
Good question! If we are sticking to hubs that have direct engagement I’d say the Tall Order Drone hub. Especially now they offer replacement parts if you were to need any.
Edwarren Jay Libardo Chavez Profile Elite hubs are very expensive everywhere. I consider myself lucky to have one! This is my personal wheel in my current bike.
Ahhhh Okay Sir Im Sorry😅 now i know Why Here in Philippines we don't have shop of Profile because its so expensive Thankyou For that information sir i didn't expect that Profile Elite Hub is Expensive Thankyouu so much sirrrr And thankyou verymucchhhh because you always reply me on my comments💕💕💕
Good video keep it up I love profile parts
Thanks!
There is one hub for BMX (racing) that has better engagement. Profile Elite was once 120 points for three degrees. Now, it's 204 points for around a degree and a half. Onyx Stealth has I don't know how many points, but it's true zero degrees. But, it's heavy and silent.
So it seems there is a trade off in engagement and weight of a hub. Would you consider the Elite to be a more popular hub in racing or a more overall better spec’d hub than Onyx Stealth?
@@stuartgibson what I said about the Onyx is really all I know. I do know that the Profile is more dominant on the track than the Onyx. I assume that is due to weight and sound. People love that sound. I also know that the Answer Holeshot and the Box Harmonic are now what what profile used to be. 6 pawls, 120 points, 3°. Me personally, I am a profile fanatic.
Awesome, I am very unfamiliar with racing so it’s cool to learn about it. I’m also a big Profile fan myself!
The Onxy hubs are not the same as the stealth hubs. They are similar but have different drive mechanics. Onxy hub used a sprag clutch. The True Precision(now Box components) stealth hub uses a one way roller bearing. They both have instant engagement and both are silent. Both offer less drag than a conventional driver with pawls. The Onxy is also the most expensive bmx hub on the market at around $550usd.
Might as well get the ti driver too if you're spend that kind of money right?
If you think it’s worth spending the extra money and you are able to spend it. It is cheaper when you order the hub brand new with a ti driver instead of doing the whole upgrade thing at a later stage.
Hey Stuart, is this really the FASTEST hub on the market? Also, what kind of bearing does it come with, I noticed you opened it, but I couldn't see the name. Thanks.
Yea ima put this on my durt jumper
Was so sure I didn’t need it just 2 min ago was set on getting the mini for my trail boss,, listening to this video.. well it’s only 350 fuck it
I love Profile hubs in general, but yes I chose the Elite to be on my personal bikes for a reason too! It's just so good!
Love from India 🇮🇳
Thanks man! 🙏🏻
So eargasm.. 😄 Is that strong enough for professional street riders?
14mm axle and hub guards! Works great
Very similar To Eastern Birectional Program but the pawls of This Hub is bigger than Birectional .
That just got you a new sub.
Nice vid. Ty
Thanks!
So you did not mention if you purchased with the upgrades or not.
I didn't purchase the hub at all in this case, but I buy a titanium axle for it followed by a titanium driver a few months later
Is there a break in period on the Hubs . I just got my wheel set from profile and I feel they don't spin as freely as I thought they would
Doesn't take long at all tho. Keep in mind that because of the amount of pawls in the hub there is more resistance and it will make it slow down quicker than some other hubs. No point in comparing them, just enjoy them!
Would it be safe to run 4 pegs with this hub?
Well just like every other hub, if you plan on having a 14mm axle and hub guards then yes go for it! Female axles with profile hubs are less recommended because of the aluminum inner axle. I think they have steel upgrades for that too if you really want to stick to female axles.
Stuart Gibson awesome thanks!
I've been building a dirt jumper/trail rider. Do you recommend buying a Profile for trail riding?
Absolutely! They are awesome for trail riding. Maybe a bit loud, but I like that
What size of spokes you need in that elite hubs?
Depends on the rim you want to match up with it!
more points of engagement is not a good thing. G Sport made a hub with infinite points of engagement (clutch bearing) and it was very hard to ride. Like 20 years ago.
I’m not familiar with that Gsport hub! I agree it is not always better but as far as engagement points on the Elite hubs go, I like them. It’s all just preference of the rider really
@@stuartgibson no one could ride it, if people could ride taht thing it would have sold
Hey buddy, i really want this hub hiping to get nxt month but still doubting if it can hold an abuse in pure street riding?
Thanks for the question! Yes it would hold up, but for pure street riding I’d go for a 14mm male axle and a hub guard
@@stuartgibson thanks bro.. More powers 💪💪💪
Great video 👍 bro 👊 what would u do with your old rim
Thank you! I have multiple bikes so my 'old' wheels have gone towards those builds.
@@stuartgibson I understand completely bro bike life!
is the nut 17mm?
Yes sir correct!
What spokes?
I have titanium spokes
Could someone solve my doubt? I'm thinking of buying that hub and would like to know if it can withstand the rails using a chromoly axle. I hope you can solve my doubt
If you go for the male axle and use a hubguard, then yes it withstands rails just fine
@@stuartgibson thank you very much for responding brother, I don't speak English very well and it was difficult for me to understand the subtitle of the video. Thanks in advance!
how i can buy this?
Ask about it at your local bike store, or find an online bmx store in your country. They should be able to help you!
@@stuartgibson thanks though i already saw i can get one on sourcebmx
hey I have a question about the button head bolts for the elite cassette and for the elite front hub. Do they both use the same button head bolt? And do I need to get the 3/8 to 14mm one or can i use the regular 3/8?
Good question! Yes the front and the rear use the same bolts. You can use regular 3/8 in the cassette however, as your frame (extremely likely) has 14mm dropouts you will need to use spacers to fill in the gap. A 3/8 to 14mm bolt does that already so that's what I'd recommend. Do note that if you plan on riding pegs with the 3/8 to 14mm bolt that they have a specific peg bolt that has a longer 14mm section.
@@stuartgibson thanks a lot man profile does a shitty job explaining which bolts you will need
@@marklee7769 I agree, they could educate a bit better about all the different bolt options
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Thank you!
The industry nine hub torch hub has 690 points of engagement
Correct! But that is a MTB specific hub tho!
That's a mountain bike hub
That sounds scary
Sounds cool to me!
@Stuart Gibson I have profile elites on my Bassett and it sounds wicked
Hi im new user it's this hub can used for gt vertigo bmx.....
I guess so yes, but considering the price of the hub compared to the bike itself, I’d go for something else or maybe upgrade to a higher end complete
look at that guy backpedal. lol
Why are you even cutting your axle?
Axle to the leg hurts
hey man I came across another problem. I have the hubs and the rims but when it came to spokes I came across something that I have never seen before. When i put the spokes into the hub they were super tight and won't move when they are inside the hub. Why is that? Do I need to get specific spokes for the elites? I know the length and everything but I can't lace them due to the flanges squeezing the spokes really really tight.
Hey Mark, the Elite does not need specific spokes. I think almost all BMX wheels use 14 gauge spokes. Maybe you have 13g ones? They are thicker. Are you using polished spokes or colored ones? I’ve seen some thick paint on spokes before that made them super tight inside the hub. Just know that with the issue you describe 99% of the time it’s an issue with the spokes and not the hub.
@@stuartgibson okay thanks man. I have polished spokes but I don't know if they are 14 gage. do u have 14 gage for that wheel?
Yup 14 gauge for all my BMX wheels
If you where after a hub almost as good as the profile elite but a little but cheaper what would you recommend?
Good question! If we are sticking to hubs that have direct engagement I’d say the Tall Order Drone hub. Especially now they offer replacement parts if you were to need any.
@@stuartgibson thanks it's for a race bmx bike (cruiser old blokes lol)
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Can i beg for that cassete because i dont have enough money to buy it and here in Philippines we dont have shop to buy profile elite hub
Edwarren Jay Libardo Chavez Profile Elite hubs are very expensive everywhere. I consider myself lucky to have one! This is my personal wheel in my current bike.
Ahhhh Okay Sir Im Sorry😅 now i know Why Here in Philippines we don't have shop of Profile because its so expensive Thankyou For that information sir i didn't expect that Profile Elite Hub is Expensive Thankyouu so much sirrrr And thankyou verymucchhhh because you always reply me on my comments💕💕💕
@@stuartgibson Hmm sir im sorry for my comment i think it's form of insult 😢
Edwarren Jay Libardo Chavez no problem man!
Link?
Link to what?
how much is that?
Dyankarl xzx depends what part of the world you are in
@@stuartgibson can i have one?
Dyankarl xzx bet any store will let you have one if you bring them enough money
Dude just install 4 pegs
Nah BULLSEYE for life