The barrel bushing is a Briley Spherical Barrel Bushing and I believe it's Titanium Nitrided coated, not brass. 356TSW had so much unrealized potential.
Who’s happy to tell you over the course of one or two hours why this gun is so much better than anything else that is commercially successful. Kinda like the 10mm bros, just with more money 😂
That, basically, hollow bearing as the barrel bushing is such an elegant solution. I see from the comments that it wasn't invented for this gun; but it's the first time I'd seen it and I love how it gives you no slop in a tilting mechanism.
@@viewer112358 It’s a spherical bearing, they’re very common in the machine world, but that’s the first I’ve seen one on a firearm, and really a very appropriate use of that type of bearing.
Ian had gone from the pocket book of antique firearms to 2 million subscribers on TH-cam. Thanks for your hard work to entertain us and you really do deserve your success.
I own a Smith&Wesson performance center 945 no dash it is a work of art!! Everything about it puts a smile on your face! There are some great video's out there on them including this model Ian's talking about. Nobody's ever had anything bad to say about them except perhaps the cost of obtaining one! Beautiful pistols well made and a pleasure to shoot!!
just gorgeous, lusted after them all for years, i 100% get polymer and alloy and their advantages but what smith did and to some extent does with steel on steel at the high end, or what the heck at any end, is just superb
You hit the MOPAR on the hemispherical head brother. Dodge put wing n nose on a Charger n made the Daytona. Rule change cause it works. Set production quotas. Plymouth puts wing n nose on over 1000 Roadrunners so lets just ban em outright. Now. Make every car identical no matter who makes it and no one will feel left out because “we’re all winners and everybody gets a trophy”. Except Kyle Petty. He gets no trophy. Dang. That hit a nerve. 😂
@@martinswiney2192 But, but, its identical for 'safety' and 'exciting competition'. Can't let someone be able to leave everyone else behind. They must race no faster than they did 50 years ago and stay packed together, from start to finish, like a morning commute lead by little old ladies. They should make them return to their 'stock car' roots. And a new Smokey Yunick rise to innovate.
@@martinswiney2192 And it sounds like that nerve was raw! Be cool dude, a few late night hours, n "mechanic" like you got an original, one of a kind anyway. 👍👍👍👍
Briley Manufacturing of Houston TX used the basic 3566 and customized it themselves. I bought one for use in the Texas CHL classes coming into the shooting community. This class was especially favored by women who didn't like recoil and was a gun with an excellent trigger. The only gun I have that actually paid for itself.
What a gorgeous firearm. Personal taste , but i really like the grip asthetics, and i believe you git it on the head in saying it looks like treebark. Great match for such a rugged yet refined piece. I like!
I believe that if .356TSW had been marketed properly, we wouldn't have seen the huge interest in .40 S&W and .357 SIG. It's a brilliant little cartridge.
The .356 is a fine cartridge but I think its comeback potential is also limited by the availability of .38 Super and 9x23 Winchester for competition use. Given that loads of competitive shooters are already using 1911-sized pistols, the longer cartridges let you get the same performance with the same mag capacity but at normal pressures. And good quality rimless .38 super brass is available now too. Of course the 9x23 can be loaded even hotter but it's not really needed.
Well, maybe the .357 Sig, but I doubt it would have changed the trajectory of .40 S&W much. The .40 was developed as a law enforcement cartridge with prestigious developmental pedigree. Born out of the most extensive terminal ballistics research ever conducted and adopted by the FBI, it was always going to be very popular irrespective of how well the .356 TSW did. Still, it's a shame how short the .356's life was cut.
Gaspard129, it was born out of the FBI needing a scapegoat for the disastrous Miami shootout. “We can never admit our tactics and procedures were at fault, so we’ll blame it on the failure of a single 9mm round out of the dozens of rounds fired that day”.
@donalddicorcia2433 That's slightly hyperbolic, but I get your point and don't disagree. There is a lot to be said about tactics and training failures in that disaster before problems of caliber of pistols used (like if you are attempting a felony arrest on armed, and dangerous bank robbers, why didn't you bring rifles?). But the point remains that the background of the .40 coming from this massive terminal ballistic study by the FBI virtually guaranteed that it would become the next big caliber for law enforcement.
I watched your video on the S&W Model 3566 from years ago and it has since become one of my unobtainium dream pistols (especially knowing how it was kicked out of the adamant IPSC). And now here is special version of this already special handgun? Cool! Thank you for making this video.
I have only bought off the shelf, and watched people hand-load. Can you tell exactly what Ian means when he says the cartridge is dead? You can't get the case/bullet from somewhere and hand-load? The machines that made them have been destroyed? You can make them/find someone to make them, but it is very expensive? You have to search for someone who stored 1000 rounds in their vault/didn't use them? I really don't know, and would appreciate any knowledge.
Not really. The cauldron of competition is where innovation comes from. Competition provides the venue for development and testing. The "tactical" side then cherry picks the developments that actually work the best. For example, it is not uncommon to see both compensators and optical sights on "carry" pistols. Both of those innovations were developed and proven in the competition environment. This development from S&W was just another step up on the R&D ladder, and they were treated very poorly by USPSA management. Very, very poorly; IMHO.
@@Texas_Red_01 Very true, even most of our modern shooting grips for pistol and rifle come from competition, the popular "C-clamp" on AR was a competition grip that was mocked by military people for quite some time, and now is actually being used by military and law enforcement.
@@Texas_Red_01It's important to remember that you need innovation from above AND below. If all comptitis only aimed at the best of the best than the innovation is all going to be super expensive, and very specific application. Competition aimed at the beginners is where more practical designes come from. You need both. It's also important to have Competitions aimed at the amateur, because that's where the professionals come from. Of all Competition is being dominated by he very best, no one can ever start competing as a hobby because they know they're going to be destroyed. And then no one starts competing and the sport dies. Which is literally WHY this style of competition was invented. To encourage the casual shooter into competing as a hobby.
@@Texas_Red_01💯 it’s always smart ppl pushing the limits in tools of any kind start tinkering and trying to squeeze out the edge over their last performance
I've gotten to handle and shoot one of the 170-350 made S&W 5906 Super 9's that was breathed upon by S&W Performance Center (the Super 9 was a reintroduction of the 3566 in .356TSW before that cartridge was killed and the Super 9's were sold with 3 barrels; 9x19, 9x21 and .356TSW) and its a very very well fit and finished gun though the ergos are very dated it still shoots fantastically.
I own (and still shoot it) a Wischo Target Champion, which is a german edition of the (5906) super 9 or 5' PPC9. Crazy accurate and good gun, with a trigger better than my custom tuned 2011's.
Same here, but they probably couldn't sell them for less than $1,000. They're expensive to make, and I doubt they could get the economies of scale to get the price down.
@@Gaspard129 I would be interested in afleast a polymer framed da sa from smith , kinda how cz did the po7 as a polymer framed cz75 , still tho stainless and aluminum i think is the better route
It's a balance between improving the technology and letting the shooters/drivers actually compete with eachother. If the cars drove themselves, racing would be a lot less interesting
@@MasterDawZ "We're about to start the Tesla 500 at the Daytona Drone Car International Speedway." "Gentlepeople, connect your batteries." "Its been an exciting race. The remote control failure of the Joy Stickus race team caused quite the driver tantrum. But luckily the automatic safety system engaged the emergency flashers, pulled off the racing line, slowed and finally pulled off the track into the pits once all the other race cars had successfully passed." "That was the closest finish in history. 600 nanometers separated the first and second place at the finish line. The Brain Slug squad narrowly losing to the Hypnotoad team.
It's a sport, and the primary purpose of sports are to be fair; the spirit of a rule is always more important than the letter. The only difference between competitor should be personal skill, that's the whole idea. If you want "innovation" through trying to gain every advantage possible, where fairness isn't a factor, that's what military weapons and warfare are for.
The feeding ramp is polished to a mirror sheen. The slide's been reinforced. And the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The sight system is original, too. The thumb safety is extended to make it easier on the finger. A long-type trigger with non-slip grooves. A ring hammer... The base of the trigger guard's been filed down for a higher grip. And not only that, nearly every part of this gun has been expertly crafted and customized. Where'd you get something like this?
I remember efforts to bring the cartridge back and I always thought it was really an ideal cartridge for SD, especially in ported/comped guns. What a nice example of a gun chambered in that round. I own 6 3rd gen S&W, but sadly no really special performance center models. I have always liked these 3rd gen guns.
I remember this cartridge. I really wish it would come back. For combat use, with the right bullet design, we are literally at .357 magnum power but can realizably feed from a semi-auto with high capacity. I hated how they did the rule change. You take the winners, say nevermind, you actually lost retroactively, then change the rule. Same thing happened to our engineering team when I was in collage. There was an electric off road vehicle competition. On a few of the courses, we were the only vehicle that made it to the end. So after everyone else complained, they scrapped all the areas that we were the only ones to finish on, and we went from 1st place to 4th place. In things like politics, at least they pretend like they are not playing favorites.
I had a similar issue 40 odd years ago with my (highly modified) Austin Mini hill climb car. Initially classified as Sub 2.0l Turbo, after my first run, so many complaints I got reclassed into Open A by to repurposing the power to weight rules. I never bothered competing again. Btw, one of the biggest complaints was that mine was still street legal!
The 1911 Cult can't lose a competition, otherwise they might not have been the critical factor in two world wars like they claim. Of course they're going to cheat.
This sounds exactly like what happened in NASCAR in the 60s with Ford and their 427 "Cammer" engine. A leap forward in technology that technically fit within the rules but would have upended the competition and was ultimately prevented from racing by a rule change.
underwood ammo is the only company I know of that still makes 356tsw, its too bad this cartridge failed cause a glock 17/19 in 356 tsw would be a pretty damn good carry gun
Reminds me when I was teaching a carry permit course and someone was using one of those old 9mm S&W pistols with some Bubba's Pissin Hot Handloads™ in them. He blew up his gun and sent deformed bullets (both the one in the chamber and some in the magazine) as well as shards of brass downrange. I was finding bullet fragments and pieces of brass for the next 2 days in places I wasn't expecting. I can understand the concern and need to make wildcat snowflake calibers for this purpose- SAAMI specs aren't just a suggestion lol
0:40 "by the way, if you want to know more about .356 TSW, I have a video about that." 4:08 finishes talking about the cartridge and why it existed. I appreciated the run-down, since I probably wasn't going to follow the link, but I found the "here's more about the cartridge" remark followed by that much about the cartridge funny. Also found it rather sad that they made arbitrary changes to the rules just to eliminate some very nice pistols.
They are wonderfully built pistols. I had a 9x19mm barrel made by Briley to make it a little more practical to shoot now that 356TSW is scarce. I still have a full box of Federal 356TSW but it's for collector purpose not for shooting. (-:}
The guys over at .460 Rowland have kind of reinvented .356 TSW, they’re loading 9 X 22 brass to 9mm Luger (aka 9 X 19) OAL and calling it 960 Rowland. It’s screaming fast.
We all meaning USPSA found two platforms 9x21 in a cz75 or 38 super in a 1911! Those two ruled the sport! However 40 cal really started the new way of shooting.
SWPC: Creates one hell of a Rolls Royce for competition shooting. USPSA: "We're changing the rules and removing your records to benefit others." Me, a scale plastic modeller: "That's some IPMS level of judges bullshitting the rules, right there."
Love the videos; the only problem, when I see a wonderful pistol like this I get a case of "iwantit" in the case of this wonderful piece of steel, there is no chance ICANGETIT so the pain remains the same but the want cannot ever be realized and the fact you can't get bullets for the best part of the gun sort of quells the want pains pretty well. Thanks for the great entertainment and, as always as a lifetime learner, thanks for the lesson.
Nice coverage of that piece of exotica. Thanks, Ian. Then, there were things like; .38 Super +P, 9 x 21, 9 x 23. 9 x 21 being relatively common in countries where 9mm Para is regarded as "not for the peaasanta". Before all that, there was the Wildcat .357 Clarke; a bottle-necked round, based on the .45ACP and loaded with wadcutters. That dated back to the early 1960s and was intended as an "auto" option to traditional .38 Spl revolvers for "bullseye" shooting . With not too much extra "creativity", (and preferably fully-ramped barrels, it could also more-or-less duplicate .357 Magnum in "old slabsides".. Essentially a precursor to the .357 SIG.. I ran a S&W Model 52-2 for a while. This was a bit of a challenge, because extra magazines were VERY hard ti finf, "down-under" and they all had to be "tweaked to extend the five-round capacity to SIX, to make it even faintly useful in our "Police and Services" matchest which are basically 'recolver-centric, 90 round multi-distance and timed events. That gun was ammo-sensitive, preferring very fast powders like Bullseye. But with good ammo, reliable and ACCURATE. Any "sing-slippage was entirely the fault of the nut behind the butt. Cols also did a .38 Spl wadcutter on the 1911 frame, but these appear to be VERY scarce.
Well Ian, actually it isn't just the action of the gas going upward, it's the angle backward that makes the comps more effective in keeping the muzzle down and mitigate even the felt recoil... pushing the barrel forward, the gun stay closed much more and slowing down the slide, that's why you need a 9/10# recoil spring , if you use a standard one the gun would not open or cycle at all...
Is there any where to go to see the shooting results that were scraped at the competition? Would be interesting. Great presentation, beautifully crafted S&W.
You need to work out. .38 Super is energetic, and you want some muscle to help manage it. My wife, whom loves both 9mm and .45acp, will not shoot my .38 Super pistols.
Did a good amount of messing around in open nine-major nowadays is the predominant cartridge you see very few people running 38 super or 38 super comp it’s just way too expensive!
Eventually with use the area the barrel bushing rotates in will become dirty and possibly hamper rotation. How hard is it to remove that bushing and clean toe area it sits in?
I have the same gun in 45acp it's never been a problem if you look closely you can see some relief cuts around the outside of the titanium bushing so it won't lock up from dirt. Hope that helps.
The relief cuts also allow you to remove the bushing. Rotate the bushing to horizontal and pull it out. If I remember correctly, Briley sold the bushing with different size holes to exactly match bullet diameter.
The barrel bushing is a Briley Spherical Barrel Bushing and I believe it's Titanium Nitrided coated, not brass. 356TSW had so much unrealized potential.
This is timely, I was just looking into Briley spherical bushings this week for a 4506-1 out of curiosity. Sadly, they are out of production.
That's what I thought, or a copy. I have a Briley customized Springfield P9 in .40 cal with the sperical bushing and it's fantastic.
One of if not the most amazing pistol from the mid 90's
Its hard to believe Ian missed that detail.
@@Strange84 Ian is more versed in much older military firearms so I will give him a pass on this one.
Anyone else imagine Jerry Miculek yelling "Hey-ooo!" and emptying this thing in about a second and a half?
"Visualization" 😁😁😁😁
This pistol to Jerry would be like what AEG airsoft pistols are to us.
Didn't he manage to do 8 rounds in a second? Emptying a 20 round magazine in a second and a half would be _quite_ a bit more than that...
Another quality fireplace guy pistol
His majesty the fireplace guy
Who’s happy to tell you over the course of one or two hours why this gun is so much better than anything else that is commercially successful. Kinda like the 10mm bros, just with more money 😂
If I hand-built a wierd handgun in my garage and forgot about it, I could probably find it with fireplace guy within a year.
@@wraithwyvern528
Nah!
He only goes for "QUALITY" SHIT! I 😁😁😁😆
Plot twist, "Fireplace Guy" is actually "Fireplace Lady"
I like that we've "met" fireplace guy but hes still just fireplace guy
well, at least we've got to put the name and the face to the legend
Wait when?
@@Tunechi_Lee Q&A 60
That, basically, hollow bearing as the barrel bushing is such an elegant solution. I see from the comments that it wasn't invented for this gun; but it's the first time I'd seen it and I love how it gives you no slop in a tilting mechanism.
It's basically a rose joint.
@@viewer112358
It’s a spherical bearing, they’re very common in the machine world, but that’s the first I’ve seen one on a firearm, and really a very appropriate use of that type of bearing.
@@viewer112358
Not familiar with that nomenclature, but I'll let you have it.
@@SuperDriver379
BINGO!
TY "YOU THE GOAT"!!😃😃😃
Ian had gone from the pocket book of antique firearms to 2 million subscribers on TH-cam. Thanks for your hard work to entertain us and you really do deserve your success.
Wow! 2.7 million!! I never look. Does that make him number one in any class/category?
The demonstration of the trigger, wow. This is why I love hammer fired guns.
"The bees knees!"
😂😂😂😂😂
I own a Smith&Wesson performance center 945 no dash it is a work of art!! Everything about it puts a smile on your face! There are some great video's out there on them including this model Ian's talking about. Nobody's ever had anything bad to say about them except perhaps the cost of obtaining one! Beautiful pistols well made and a pleasure to shoot!!
just gorgeous, lusted after them all for years, i 100% get polymer and alloy and their advantages but what smith did and to some extent does with steel on steel at the high end, or what the heck at any end, is just superb
I've got a two-tone model 945, it's one of my most prized firearms. Also have an 845 PC (and many other 3rd gens).
@@f-grade
Ain't that good for you!🤪🤪
I had a 411, the complete opposite of the S&W 3rd gen spectrum lol... still disappointed that I had to sell it :/
*This is the NASCAR HEMI of pistols. Too awesome to be allowed.*
You hit the MOPAR on the hemispherical head brother. Dodge put wing n nose on a Charger n made the Daytona. Rule change cause it works. Set production quotas. Plymouth puts wing n nose on over 1000 Roadrunners so lets just ban em outright. Now. Make every car identical no matter who makes it and no one will feel left out because “we’re all winners and everybody gets a trophy”. Except Kyle Petty. He gets no trophy.
Dang. That hit a nerve. 😂
Story sounds too similar to Group B rally too lol
@@martinswiney2192 But, but, its identical for 'safety' and 'exciting competition'. Can't let someone be able to leave everyone else behind. They must race no faster than they did 50 years ago and stay packed together, from start to finish, like a morning commute lead by little old ladies.
They should make them return to their 'stock car' roots. And a new Smokey Yunick rise to innovate.
Same as the Indy 500 banning turbines.
No, we can’t acknowledge advances in technology, we have to fossilize it artificially because… we want to…
@@martinswiney2192
And it sounds like that nerve was raw!
Be cool dude, a few late night hours, n "mechanic" like you got an original, one of a kind anyway. 👍👍👍👍
Briley Manufacturing of Houston TX used the basic 3566 and customized it themselves. I bought one for use in the Texas CHL classes coming into the shooting community. This class was especially favored by women who didn't like recoil and was a gun with an excellent trigger. The only gun I have that actually paid for itself.
Fire place man strikes again with a amazing piece
What a gorgeous firearm. Personal taste , but i really like the grip asthetics, and i believe you git it on the head in saying it looks like treebark. Great match for such a rugged yet refined piece. I like!
My first semi-auto, sold long ago, was a Smith & Wesson 915, so I have a great fondness for the all-metal S&W autos.
Same here. Started with a 4516-1 (the chunky boy) and then a 4046TSW (ex-Brinks pistol). They're just fantastic
I believe that if .356TSW had been marketed properly, we wouldn't have seen the huge interest in .40 S&W and .357 SIG. It's a brilliant little cartridge.
yeah 115 grains at 1600 ft per second aint nothing to sneeze at, that's 400-300 fps faster than standard 9mm
The .356 is a fine cartridge but I think its comeback potential is also limited by the availability of .38 Super and 9x23 Winchester for competition use. Given that loads of competitive shooters are already using 1911-sized pistols, the longer cartridges let you get the same performance with the same mag capacity but at normal pressures. And good quality rimless .38 super brass is available now too. Of course the 9x23 can be loaded even hotter but it's not really needed.
Well, maybe the .357 Sig, but I doubt it would have changed the trajectory of .40 S&W much. The .40 was developed as a law enforcement cartridge with prestigious developmental pedigree. Born out of the most extensive terminal ballistics research ever conducted and adopted by the FBI, it was always going to be very popular irrespective of how well the .356 TSW did. Still, it's a shame how short the .356's life was cut.
Gaspard129, it was born out of the FBI needing a scapegoat for the disastrous Miami shootout. “We can never admit our tactics and procedures were at fault, so we’ll blame it on the failure of a single 9mm round out of the dozens of rounds fired that day”.
@donalddicorcia2433 That's slightly hyperbolic, but I get your point and don't disagree. There is a lot to be said about tactics and training failures in that disaster before problems of caliber of pistols used (like if you are attempting a felony arrest on armed, and dangerous bank robbers, why didn't you bring rifles?). But the point remains that the background of the .40 coming from this massive terminal ballistic study by the FBI virtually guaranteed that it would become the next big caliber for law enforcement.
A great pistol and cartridge that never had a chance. fascinating, just what I’d expect from fireplace guy.
And of course, “Fireplace Guy” is the one to have, and let Ian film, this highly limited, specialized gun. Thanks, Fireplace Guy!
I want to be frank with you Ian, you never seem to run out of guns that are very neat to look at and this is one of them, kudos to you🎉.
I watched your video on the S&W Model 3566 from years ago and it has since become one of my unobtainium dream pistols (especially knowing how it was kicked out of the adamant IPSC).
And now here is special version of this already special handgun? Cool!
Thank you for making this video.
There is one on gun broker
Same. I've had the chance to buy one a couple times but just never did.
@@joshuabaker5712
Relevance??😶
Are we supposed to feel sorry for you? 🙄
Not today!!!😛😛😛
And now 9 Major is the norm in unlimited class.
I believe that Underwood makes .356 TSW ammo
Didn't see your comment before I posted the same...imma leave it anyway sure I won't be the last but damnit you were the first 😁
I have only bought off the shelf, and watched people hand-load. Can you tell exactly what Ian means when he says the cartridge is dead? You can't get the case/bullet from somewhere and hand-load? The machines that made them have been destroyed? You can make them/find someone to make them, but it is very expensive? You have to search for someone who stored 1000 rounds in their vault/didn't use them? I really don't know, and would appreciate any knowledge.
It's quite a flight of fancy to use a custom-tooled, proprietary caliber in a 'practical' pistol competition.
Not really. The cauldron of competition is where innovation comes from. Competition provides the venue for development and testing. The "tactical" side then cherry picks the developments that actually work the best. For example, it is not uncommon to see both compensators and optical sights on "carry" pistols. Both of those innovations were developed and proven in the competition environment. This development from S&W was just another step up on the R&D ladder, and they were treated very poorly by USPSA management. Very, very poorly; IMHO.
@@Texas_Red_01 Very true, even most of our modern shooting grips for pistol and rifle come from competition, the popular "C-clamp" on AR was a competition grip that was mocked by military people for quite some time, and now is actually being used by military and law enforcement.
@@Texas_Red_01 butthurt, sore losers stomped on a great design is what they did there.
@@Texas_Red_01It's important to remember that you need innovation from above AND below. If all comptitis only aimed at the best of the best than the innovation is all going to be super expensive, and very specific application. Competition aimed at the beginners is where more practical designes come from. You need both.
It's also important to have Competitions aimed at the amateur, because that's where the professionals come from. Of all Competition is being dominated by he very best, no one can ever start competing as a hobby because they know they're going to be destroyed. And then no one starts competing and the sport dies. Which is literally WHY this style of competition was invented. To encourage the casual shooter into competing as a hobby.
@@Texas_Red_01💯 it’s always smart ppl pushing the limits in tools of any kind start tinkering and trying to squeeze out the edge over their last performance
I would expect nothing less from Fireplace Guy's collection.
Thanks Ian, never knew about this fab pistol. Am a PPC shooter in Europe. As you say; what a great comp gun.
The barrel bushing is a great idea!
The two tone finish on this gun is very nice.
I've gotten to handle and shoot one of the 170-350 made S&W 5906 Super 9's that was breathed upon by S&W Performance Center (the Super 9 was a reintroduction of the 3566 in .356TSW before that cartridge was killed and the Super 9's were sold with 3 barrels; 9x19, 9x21 and .356TSW) and its a very very well fit and finished gun though the ergos are very dated it still shoots fantastically.
I own (and still shoot it) a Wischo Target Champion, which is a german edition of the (5906) super 9 or 5' PPC9. Crazy accurate and good gun, with a trigger better than my custom tuned 2011's.
A jericho 941 rechambered to 356 tsw would be a great combo. Being that it would hold up well since it was designed to handle 41ae.
Yes, more classic S&W autos please
Cool. I wish S&W would bring back its DA/SA hammer fired guns. I liked them.
Very good quality handguns
Same here, but they probably couldn't sell them for less than $1,000. They're expensive to make, and I doubt they could get the economies of scale to get the price down.
@@Gaspard129 I would be interested in afleast a polymer framed da sa from smith , kinda how cz did the po7 as a polymer framed cz75 , still tho stainless and aluminum i think is the better route
Ah yes, stifling innovation because “it isn’t fair!”. A story as old as time.
Bunch of fudds upset their .45s are obsolete so they kneecap the competition
Also see, every form of motor racing these days. Innovation bad, boring mediocrity good?
It's a balance between improving the technology and letting the shooters/drivers actually compete with eachother. If the cars drove themselves, racing would be a lot less interesting
@@MasterDawZ
"We're about to start the Tesla 500 at the Daytona Drone Car International Speedway."
"Gentlepeople, connect your batteries."
"Its been an exciting race. The remote control failure of the Joy Stickus race team caused quite the driver tantrum. But luckily the automatic safety system engaged the emergency flashers, pulled off the racing line, slowed and finally pulled off the track into the pits once all the other race cars had successfully passed."
"That was the closest finish in history. 600 nanometers separated the first and second place at the finish line. The Brain Slug squad narrowly losing to the Hypnotoad team.
It's a sport, and the primary purpose of sports are to be fair; the spirit of a rule is always more important than the letter. The only difference between competitor should be personal skill, that's the whole idea.
If you want "innovation" through trying to gain every advantage possible, where fairness isn't a factor, that's what military weapons and warfare are for.
Upset about a 9mm caliber pistol being used to make major power factor which seems strange since that was why folks were using 38 super.
Performance Center 1911s also come with the same bushing
Neat gun, that trigger pull and reset is crazy.
I love my S&W SD9 9mm 😎👍
Really like this generation of S&W pistols.
The feeding ramp is polished to a mirror sheen. The slide's been reinforced. And the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The sight system is original, too. The thumb safety is extended to make it easier on the finger. A long-type trigger with non-slip grooves. A ring hammer... The base of the trigger guard's been filed down for a higher grip. And not only that, nearly every part of this gun has been expertly crafted and customized. Where'd you get something like this?
Paul Liebenberg built it when he worked for the PC
This has to be the single best forgotten handgun in history. So good the competition rules were changed to exclude it.
I remember efforts to bring the cartridge back and I always thought it was really an ideal cartridge for SD, especially in ported/comped guns. What a nice example of a gun chambered in that round. I own 6 3rd gen S&W, but sadly no really special performance center models. I have always liked these 3rd gen guns.
"Gimbal" is the term you are searching for....motion allowed in one axis only.
Love that tilting bushing. Never seen it/love it
That is one heckin' beautiful pistol. Of course, it's Fireplace Guy's.
I remember this cartridge. I really wish it would come back. For combat use, with the right bullet design, we are literally at .357 magnum power but can realizably feed from a semi-auto with high capacity.
I hated how they did the rule change. You take the winners, say nevermind, you actually lost retroactively, then change the rule. Same thing happened to our engineering team when I was in collage. There was an electric off road vehicle competition. On a few of the courses, we were the only vehicle that made it to the end. So after everyone else complained, they scrapped all the areas that we were the only ones to finish on, and we went from 1st place to 4th place. In things like politics, at least they pretend like they are not playing favorites.
I had a similar issue 40 odd years ago with my (highly modified) Austin Mini hill climb car. Initially classified as Sub 2.0l Turbo, after my first run, so many complaints I got reclassed into Open A by to repurposing the power to weight rules. I never bothered competing again.
Btw, one of the biggest complaints was that mine was still street legal!
The 1911 Cult can't lose a competition, otherwise they might not have been the critical factor in two world wars like they claim. Of course they're going to cheat.
I believe that Underwood still produces 356 TSW ammunition, although it may be occasionally.
It was the practical shooting version of the 24 hours of LeMans rotary Mazda.
This sounds exactly like what happened in NASCAR in the 60s with Ford and their 427 "Cammer" engine. A leap forward in technology that technically fit within the rules but would have upended the competition and was ultimately prevented from racing by a rule change.
S&W: titanium nitrided bushing
H&K: heat resistant O-ring
Seeing this at the esteemed Mr. Fireplace Guy’s house has the same energy as going to C&Rsenal and finding the Sub2000 video
An example of rules lawyering at its finest with the game master fixing the game.
underwood ammo is the only company I know of that still makes 356tsw, its too bad this cartridge failed cause a glock 17/19 in 356 tsw would be a pretty damn good carry gun
S&W needs to bring this family of pistols back
Dope need more guns on the channel like this!
Ian underwood makes 356tsw they started making ammo again in 2020 and they load a 115gr at 1600 fps for 656ftlbs
Looking at the velocity this looks like it would really do well in a carbine. A longer barrel would really let that cartridge stretch it's legs
That front bushing mod is amazing!
.38 Super shooter here; hot cartridge, 'Major' loads need stiff springs, or it will bash itself apart in short order.
I've always wanted one and could never afford one when they were in production. They were finely fitted very high quality pistols.
Underwood Ammo currently has .356TSW in stock. 35 bucks for a 20rnd box.
Do they have .41AE?
Reminds me when I was teaching a carry permit course and someone was using one of those old 9mm S&W pistols with some Bubba's Pissin Hot Handloads™ in them. He blew up his gun and sent deformed bullets (both the one in the chamber and some in the magazine) as well as shards of brass downrange. I was finding bullet fragments and pieces of brass for the next 2 days in places I wasn't expecting. I can understand the concern and need to make wildcat snowflake calibers for this purpose- SAAMI specs aren't just a suggestion lol
Underwood still sells the ammo.. Yes you can pick up the ammo, while still limited..
"and there were many cries of "muh stoppin' power" and "two world wars", and much clutching of 1911s at the USPSA that year."
0:40 "by the way, if you want to know more about .356 TSW, I have a video about that."
4:08 finishes talking about the cartridge and why it existed.
I appreciated the run-down, since I probably wasn't going to follow the link, but I found the "here's more about the cartridge" remark followed by that much about the cartridge funny. Also found it rather sad that they made arbitrary changes to the rules just to eliminate some very nice pistols.
Actually you can still get the 356 TSW ammo because companies like Underwood still produce it.
Nothing like uspca to put the foot down on innovation. This is something I would buy myself.
I feel sorry for the craftsmen who bestowed so much work on that pistol, just to see it obsoleted after a single (successful) application.
They are wonderfully built pistols. I had a 9x19mm barrel made by Briley to make it a little more practical to shoot now that 356TSW is scarce. I still have a full box of Federal 356TSW but it's for collector purpose not for shooting. (-:}
The guys over at .460 Rowland have kind of reinvented .356 TSW, they’re loading 9 X 22 brass to 9mm Luger (aka 9 X 19) OAL and calling it 960 Rowland. It’s screaming fast.
We all meaning USPSA found two platforms 9x21 in a cz75 or 38 super in a 1911! Those two ruled the sport! However 40 cal really started the new way of shooting.
I would cross valleys long and wide….as a handloader this is it
he extended 20-round magazines offer practicality for competitive shooting, aligning perfectly with the needs of USPSA competitions.
SWPC: Creates one hell of a Rolls Royce for competition shooting.
USPSA: "We're changing the rules and removing your records to benefit others."
Me, a scale plastic modeller: "That's some IPMS level of judges bullshitting the rules, right there."
Love the videos; the only problem, when I see a wonderful pistol like this I get a case of "iwantit" in the case of this wonderful piece of steel, there is no chance ICANGETIT so the pain remains the same but the want cannot ever be realized and the fact you can't get bullets for the best part of the gun sort of quells the want pains pretty well. Thanks for the great entertainment and, as always as a lifetime learner, thanks for the lesson.
One bushing to rule them all.
The same barrel bushing style is on the KMR pistols
My S&W PC 1911 has a brass colored spherical barrel bushing.
I like this gun a lot especially with 9 mm swap barrel
as Smokey Yunick proved in motorsports, ruling bodies absolutely loathe innovative smartasses who are good at malicious compliance
Nice coverage of that piece of exotica. Thanks, Ian.
Then, there were things like; .38 Super +P, 9 x 21, 9 x 23. 9 x 21 being relatively common in countries where 9mm Para is regarded as "not for the peaasanta".
Before all that, there was the Wildcat .357 Clarke; a bottle-necked round, based on the .45ACP and loaded with wadcutters. That dated back to the early 1960s and was intended as an "auto" option to traditional .38 Spl revolvers for "bullseye" shooting . With not too much extra "creativity", (and preferably fully-ramped barrels, it could also more-or-less duplicate .357 Magnum in "old slabsides".. Essentially a precursor to the .357 SIG..
I ran a S&W Model 52-2 for a while. This was a bit of a challenge, because extra magazines were VERY hard ti finf, "down-under" and they all had to be "tweaked to extend the five-round capacity to SIX, to make it even faintly useful in our "Police and Services" matchest which are basically 'recolver-centric, 90 round multi-distance and timed events.
That gun was ammo-sensitive, preferring very fast powders like Bullseye. But with good ammo, reliable and ACCURATE. Any "sing-slippage was entirely the fault of the nut behind the butt.
Cols also did a .38 Spl wadcutter on the 1911 frame, but these appear to be VERY scarce.
one of the most amazing pistols (or even guns) I've seen a video about.... thank you a lot!
What a nice pistol!
Well Ian, actually it isn't just the action of the gas going upward, it's the angle backward that makes the comps more effective in keeping the muzzle down and mitigate even the felt recoil... pushing the barrel forward, the gun stay closed much more and slowing down the slide, that's why you need a 9/10# recoil spring , if you use a standard one the gun would not open or cycle at all...
This is a great defensive round too. It is everything that .357 sig wasn't.
I remember the great splash it made, and how fast the rules were changed.
a great very interesting video and pistol and cartridge Mr GJ.have a good one Mr.
Its a damn shame the owner wont let Ian take it to the range. Guns like that are meant to show off and peform, not sit behind glass.
An interest firearm. A good interesting, educational, entertaining video.
Thank you for shareing your knowledge.
Masonry Plus
Is there any where to go to see the shooting results that were scraped at the competition? Would be interesting. Great presentation, beautifully crafted S&W.
Thanks, hope you can review Walther P99 in near future.
NASCAR rulebook
That's the most beautiful boat anchor I've ever seen! What a shame..
I've heard of people running hot .38 Super comp guns for a long time ending up with "Super elbow" 😬
You need to work out. .38 Super is energetic, and you want some muscle to help manage it. My wife, whom loves both 9mm and .45acp, will not shoot my .38 Super pistols.
And then there is "super face" which happens when the case head blows up. Something I am familiar with..
I know it’s Friday!! Thanks Ian for letting me know what day it was yesterday!! LOL
That is my Holy Grail pistol.
Did a good amount of messing around in open nine-major nowadays is the predominant cartridge you see very few people running 38 super or 38 super comp it’s just way too expensive!
Nice looking handgun
That serial number happened to match the caliber. I imagine the others in that production run wouldn’t also end in 356.
Man, I usually love those old, metal S&Ws, but that one looks like it told a lie!
*smirk😏
really wish s&w would bring back a retro series of the old autos.
Same, this family of S&W semi-autos are some of my favourite pistols, they're so cool.
You can still find them but prices are increasing as more people are starting to collect them.
Eventually with use the area the barrel bushing rotates in will become dirty and possibly hamper rotation. How hard is it to remove that bushing and clean toe area it sits in?
I have the same gun in 45acp it's never been a problem if you look closely you can see some relief cuts around the outside of the titanium bushing so it won't lock up from dirt. Hope that helps.
The relief cuts also allow you to remove the bushing. Rotate the bushing to horizontal and pull it out. If I remember correctly, Briley sold the bushing with different size holes to exactly match bullet diameter.
I need to step my game up for the early gang
Gun industry..... "there's nothing more can be done to Present pistol calibres"
Ian McCollum....."hold my Glen Fiddich".