Im actually imoressed Santa cruz did this, you may tought they would want to promote new sales, now is a win win, you can ride a 2006 v10 and win and i assure you this transparency and consistency over time will deliver new sales and followers. Kudos!
I remember years ago asked for the weight of one of their XC frames. They gave me back the weight of every single size, no questions asked. Most brands (at least back then) wouldn't give it out for FS bikes and if they did, they'd weigh the smallest. Impressive transparency.
Love these sort of comparisons. we don't all have the money to buy the latest and greatest and videos like this show that just because you don't have latest gear doesnt mean you can't have fun and go fast.. fantastic stevo
@@joemcmanus3585 I figured it would out corner the bigger bike. The only reason the 29er won was it rolled over obstacles with less impact and then the rolling mass helps it keep momentum. But just a smidge. Smaller wheels are way more fun and playful.
Amazing seeing the Peat back on the 2006 seat, I’ve still got my 2006 Norco Dowhill Team bike on 26”S practically unused and have never ran or used a 29” or a 27.5” in my life. 41 year old this year 26” every time!🤘
Just brilliant! Been longing for a vid like this for simply ages. For the average or beginner recreational rider, there is a lot to be learned here. And, of course, Peaty IS the man.
Love this! My regular bike is a 2021 Norco Fluid FS. A large frame 29'er. My park bike is a 2008 Giant Glory. Size medium w/ 26" wheels. Such a gnarly bike! Riding the two is just night and day.
I'm telling you right now I have a rigid mid 2000s 26" Kona I set up with a fork that put the bike as it would be with a 26" front tire and 100mm stock fork. After I finally had the stem and bars I needed that thing became a dream machine. Because of the 29" wheel dynamics it rides like it has more Rake. As such, it rides like it has a steeper head tube angle but the steering is on axis for greater leverage to overcome the extra contact patch. Plus, when I put the 26 Holy Roller on I'm ready for Urban Big Kid BMX. My Love Steve. Long live The Session
Absolutely brilliant content. Bought an Orange 223 new in 2005 because it was a winning bike in the hands of Peaty. Wish I still had it to compare to my current bike.
Peaty's conclusion makes me happy. I've wondered if my faster times over the years have just been down to kit, but it's probably me improving more than I give myself credit for!
Totaly. New bikes liverys are quite boring, when we compare them to old colorful ones... Think about old Demo 8s... they were painted so beautifuly....
Absolutely epic video and I did come to the same conclusion riding my old and new mtb’s on xc/trail rides. It’s mostly the fear of death and crashing that is greater on the old ones
Awsome video you heard it from the man “if you learn to ride a bike well you can still go fast”…. Message to the masses to save some pennies & grab a retro rig & get out & shred!… well in peaty really enjoyed that!… ✌️
Maaan,Steve Peat is a great rider!Always been a huge fan of this guy.I still remember him from back in the UK days, The GT days,(I still have my GT Lobo STS :) ...and from the video ChainSpotting...classic. Eitherway, Great video.Greetings from Norway ,Stefan
Well Done Santa Cruz! This was a great flashback, some great tech on that 2006 for the time, those cranks for one were solid from RaceFace and the shorter bars made for a real direct steering setup vs the new almost effortless 29er rides… back then I think the fun factor was a lot higher imho.
Hi Santa C and Steel City Media. Absolutely loving your work and the tunes. It would be great if you could add the music used in your vids in the credits or the description. Both my apps are struggling to match the tunes with the audio over the top. Cheers G Ps yes thats all I want for Christmas
@@glenhamilton8414 here's what I got, using Shazam: Bukam Bells - Florian (old bike run 2) RUOCK IT - Jailed Jamie (old bike run 3) Yardman Ting - Florian (new bike run 2 thru end of video)
I’m building up a 26er trail bike for the next season after five years on 29 and 27.5. Just got to the point where fun takes precedence over strava times, and the recent trend of having trails imba’d into smooth flowy roller coasters with huge berms means plow bikes just don’t make sense for me personally.
I’ve been using a 2009 giant trance as a trail bike for a few years and it’s not a bad bike, lighter than most newer bikes, only bummer is the geometry feels awkward/sketchy when you push it but it’s an awesome bike.
@@isaiascabral8663 I still have a 2009 Ibis Mojo HD. It’s an insanely capable all round bike, but I feel the same, if I go too hard on a tech or DH trail it does start to feel a little out of its element.
Unfortunately I finally gave up my 2003 Big Hit 26/24 mullet, but my 2013 Enduro EVO (26er) is getting mulletized this winter with a 27.5 front end after my Van 36 seals went.
It's strange as whilst I have had plenty of modern bikes, I still keep a few old 26ers that I always rider more then my modern bikes. They have that smile factor that makes them so much more enjoyable.
i was impressed twice. first time when you did very similar time in 15years older bike, second that santa cruz official chanel let us watch it. #SKILLS
Master what you’ve got, be grateful for the bike you have! When the time is right to change up to a modern geo bike you’ll unlock so many benefits! It’s like learning to DJ on vinyl! But if you can rock a party it doesn’t matter what you’re spinning!
He looks like a freaking giant on the 2006 in the first few shots but by the end... it was looking like nice flowy fit! Its wild how much different the bikes were.
I'd like to see the 21 frame and components on the 26 wheels. That said I ride 650b, and built my wife a heckler on 26 for best fit, and its a hoot to ride, very very chuckable, makes me miss the little wheels from my DH days.
Uff! Nice comparison. Now I am sure that my Orange Patriot 66 from 2007 is still an all terrain poem. Will buy 29er for my xc rides. The old one from 1994 is just exhausted, of me :) although DeoreLX equipment still functions superbly.
I went biking just the other day and sampled a couple short DH runs, on a bike with 26" tires. I can't wait to return to the trail and try it again; it was really fun! Although I'm sure 27.5" is the sweet spot for downhill, I think 26" is nowhere as bad as some claim it is. It's not as though everyone is riding extremely technical terrain anyway.
Nodoby's mentioning how the sound track was matching the 2006's era. I found it awesome. Will Berridge, good job!
sounds like its ripped right from sims 2
Actually the music reminds me of a decade even before that. 1996 with the song Firestarter by Prodigy.
Love the drum & bass.
Reminds me of worlddance 93 Lydd Airport.
Im actually imoressed Santa cruz did this, you may tought they would want to promote new sales, now is a win win, you can ride a 2006 v10 and win and i assure you this transparency and consistency over time will deliver new sales and followers.
Kudos!
This is kind of a win win for their marketing by showing that their bikes will maintain value (or at least speed)
Also a lot of people who buy new dh bikes rather than an enduro, are racers of some kind, so the winning margins are actually still kind of big
I remember years ago asked for the weight of one of their XC frames. They gave me back the weight of every single size, no questions asked. Most brands (at least back then) wouldn't give it out for FS bikes and if they did, they'd weigh the smallest. Impressive transparency.
So good!!!! Love seein ya steeze out on the old rig peaty dog
#ALLHAILPEATY - that ruled! the ridiculous thumbs down has to be from the 2006 rear wheel.
😂. That old thing looked like a fifty pence piece.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 it looked bent
xx
Love these sort of comparisons. we don't all have the money to buy the latest and greatest and videos like this show that just because you don't have latest gear doesnt mean you can't have fun and go fast.. fantastic stevo
You don't need 10 000 dollar bike to have fun nor to be fast...
It sounded like the 2006 bike was actually more fun for him
@@joemcmanus3585 I figured it would out corner the bigger bike. The only reason the 29er won was it rolled over obstacles with less impact and then the rolling mass helps it keep momentum. But just a smidge. Smaller wheels are way more fun and playful.
@@deanhenthorn8674 He mentioned he took it easy because his brakes were burning out . Change the brakes
@@deanhenthorn8674 if your a tall rider small wheels arnt much more playful and fun really.
I still have my 2001 Santa Cruz Super 8 with Marzocchi monster t's and 24 x3 inch gazzaloddi's. Old school rules!
Do you still ride it? If so we want to see a photo.
I have a santa cruz bullit 2003 too, with Rock Shox Boxxer and i Ride all day with them.
Amazing seeing the Peat back on the 2006 seat, I’ve still got my 2006 Norco Dowhill Team bike on 26”S practically unused and have never ran or used a 29” or a 27.5” in my life. 41 year old this year 26” every time!🤘
Same here……have never ridden a 650b or 29er. My 2007 Yeti 575 is plenty good for me.
if it shreds, it shreds!!! latest aint always the greatest!! :)
😎
He made the 26 look stupid fast back then. He still does. Awesome vid Peaty💪
Cause theyre faster rolling just have to be able to muscle them more in the rough.
Its almost like Ratboy is his mechanic.
His brother
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this😂
Wait, it's not?! ;-)
Miss rat boy.
@@roryhaggerty7768 totally.
Peaty’s attitude is the best!!
Couldn't agree more. He's a legend on and off the bike.
Big nostalgia hit and great to see Peaty in action as always. I forgot about Blackbox suspension, used to drool over that stuff as a teenager.
Always a joy watching and listening to Peaty. Legend 👊🏼
Just brilliant! Been longing for a vid like this for simply ages. For the average or beginner recreational rider, there is a lot to be learned here. And, of course, Peaty IS the man.
First XC race I ever entered back in 1992 or 1993 was won by Steve Peat. Amazing to think he's still at it 30 years on.
Love this! My regular bike is a 2021 Norco Fluid FS. A large frame 29'er. My park bike is a 2008 Giant Glory. Size medium w/ 26" wheels. Such a gnarly bike! Riding the two is just night and day.
Got really nostalgic watching him riding a small bike, small handlebar, small wheels!
THAT"S the way to kick the off season of ! Superb content guys totally brilliant to watch
I'm telling you right now I have a rigid mid 2000s 26" Kona I set up with a fork that put the bike as it would be with a 26" front tire and 100mm stock fork. After I finally had the stem and bars I needed that thing became a dream machine. Because of the 29" wheel dynamics it rides like it has more Rake. As such, it rides like it has a steeper head tube angle but the steering is on axis for greater leverage to overcome the extra contact patch.
Plus, when I put the 26 Holy Roller on I'm ready for Urban Big Kid BMX.
My Love Steve. Long live The Session
Ah man good old days seeing Steve peat, I had a kona lava dome with rockshox forks way back in 97, oh how I loved that bike.
So in conclusion all MTB's are good and Peaty's still got it. Right, I'm off to get a price check on a 2006 DH bike.
i picked up a 2007 kona stinky for £350 a couple years ago, got an 05/06 orange 224 for £350 last year... if you keep looking, bargains are abundant!!
I wonder what 26 with modern geometry, modern damping and modern brakes would be like.
Fast
a lot of people run bikes like that
Would be perfect for your teenage kids.
@@brianbreen2499 who makes such a bike??
Check Rocky Mountain Maiden 2020 full 26" on Jordan Boostmaster channel, that bike fcking shreds!!!
This is sick. Love the 20 year old house music on the old bike runs 😅
Absolutely brilliant content. Bought an Orange 223 new in 2005 because it was a winning bike in the hands of Peaty. Wish I still had it to compare to my current bike.
Peaty's conclusion makes me happy. I've wondered if my faster times over the years have just been down to kit, but it's probably me improving more than I give myself credit for!
They need to do the new bikes in the old colorways!
In about 2 or 3 years.
Totaly. New bikes liverys are quite boring, when we compare them to old colorful ones... Think about old Demo 8s... they were painted so beautifuly....
Very impressive Steve, for someone who I used to watch back at the very beginning of your career 👍
Absolutely epic video and I did come to the same conclusion riding my old and new mtb’s on xc/trail rides. It’s mostly the fear of death and crashing that is greater on the old ones
Awsome video you heard it from the man “if you learn to ride a bike well you can still go fast”…. Message to the masses to save some pennies & grab a retro rig & get out & shred!… well in peaty really enjoyed that!… ✌️
so many memories and nostalgic watching that bike and kit
Best video in a while. One of the best of all time
Fair play, you still fit in your ’06 gear!
so lovely to see old setup from 00's mtb movies in action! come on Peaty!
Nice one Peaty, great to see some runs in Morzine.
Great video. Really enjoyed watching this.
26" is not dead 🤠🤘
Great comparison video. Steve is an absolute legend, and the boy is still quick!!!!
Retro Peaty back in action !!! Man the old gear and bike are nostalgic !
Totally agree! Man it was sick to see you enjoy the old bike
Best thing I've watched all day....Quality....!
Maaan,Steve Peat is a great rider!Always been a huge fan of this guy.I still remember him from back in the UK days, The GT days,(I still have my GT Lobo STS :) ...and from the video ChainSpotting...classic. Eitherway, Great video.Greetings from Norway ,Stefan
Love the old school look backs. Legend!
That's awesome to see. 7 secs is massive in todays world cup races and the newer bike might get you to your final race run less fatigued I guess.
Well.. Peaty .. would love to see you one day.. Stay Strong from Italy
Wicked to see just how fast Steve still is!!
Peaty is as good today as ever. Unbelievably talented on a bike, and still loves it as much as ever. That's a champion.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 it gives me hope as I'm the same age as Steve! Lol
still riding my 2005 Nomad to this day!
05 Nomad such a blast! 👊✊
Well Done Santa Cruz! This was a great flashback, some great tech on that 2006 for the time, those cranks for one were solid from RaceFace and the shorter bars made for a real direct steering setup vs the new almost effortless 29er rides… back then I think the fun factor was a lot higher imho.
I remember the “old” v10 back in the days felt and looked like space technology 😃
Love seeing peaty smashing down the hill!!!! Can't wait for next season Syndicate!!!
Well done young man! 👌🏻
These hydroformed old V10 were beauties! 💙
This is properly cool! Thanks for making it!
Glad you like it! Steel City Media are our media magic makers. It was their idea (and it took a bit of convincing to get Peaty on the old bike).
Hi Santa C and Steel City Media. Absolutely loving your work and the tunes. It would be great if you could add the music used in your vids in the credits or the description. Both my apps are struggling to match the tunes with the audio over the top. Cheers
G
Ps yes thats all I want for Christmas
@@glenhamilton8414 here's what I got, using Shazam:
Bukam Bells - Florian (old bike run 2)
RUOCK IT - Jailed Jamie (old bike run 3)
Yardman Ting - Florian (new bike run 2 thru end of video)
AWESOME video!! Great job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Good stuff. Now if you could make a video of Minnaar comparing his old Honda DH bike to his new bike that would be incredible
Did not expect that!
You’re a legend, Peaty.
That was cool to see. Now i feel inspired to build my 2009 v10
Photos please!
Good il peaty never ceases to surprise me with his awesome riding.
Peaty makes the best content, top bloke! The DH world isn't as good without him...
Man I might have to look at getting bigger wheel bike I was still on the 26s, but seeing this has won Me over what peaty says the differences.
Super sick concept, Rad to see Peaty on 26" in 2021!
I think the increase in speed really comes down to the old school kit!
Mint took me back when had a VP FREE and i think the opening clip was Brazil maybe? such a legend and inspired a lot of people in the UK.
Great video, Steve Peat is a LEGEND on any bike!
Couldn't agree more!
The songs on this video are so good hahah. Give the person in charge of the music a pat on the back from me.
Loved this!
2006 looks so much better and only 7 seconds slower! Great video
That was an amazing ride from Peaty, like (old) David against (young) Goliath, but this rear wheel. ^^
That old wheel never stood a chance with Peaty the Goliath.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 ^^
Legal, imagens de Balneário Camboriú, Brasil! Eu estive lá, fui Staff. Uhuuuu
Ladies and gentlemen we have reached peak 29er! Let the transition back to smaller wheels begin ;)
29er makes sense on climbs/rocky slow stuff. High speed just seems to make less improvement
I’m building up a 26er trail bike for the next season after five years on 29 and 27.5. Just got to the point where fun takes precedence over strava times, and the recent trend of having trails imba’d into smooth flowy roller coasters with huge berms means plow bikes just don’t make sense for me personally.
I still have my 2013 DH bike for park laps. I don’t mind banging it up. The newer bike is for pedal days.
I’ve been using a 2009 giant trance as a trail bike for a few years and it’s not a bad bike, lighter than most newer bikes, only bummer is the geometry feels awkward/sketchy when you push it but it’s an awesome bike.
@@isaiascabral8663 I still have a 2009 Ibis Mojo HD. It’s an insanely capable all round bike, but I feel the same, if I go too hard on a tech or DH trail it does start to feel a little out of its element.
Unfortunately I finally gave up my 2003 Big Hit 26/24 mullet, but my 2013 Enduro EVO (26er) is getting mulletized this winter with a 27.5 front end after my Van 36 seals went.
Somebody needs to make a viable modern 26" fork.
Love you Peaty...Legend!
It's strange as whilst I have had plenty of modern bikes, I still keep a few old 26ers that I always rider more then my modern bikes. They have that smile factor that makes them so much more enjoyable.
i was impressed twice. first time when you did very similar time in 15years older bike, second that santa cruz official chanel let us watch it. #SKILLS
What a flipping wicked video. So good.
If they lengthen the 26" bike wheelbase....
What a great video it's not what you ride but how you ride it. 👍🇭🇲
Been discussing this a lot lately in verbier. Great comparison 🤟🏽
Glad it was helpful!
It's all in the rider, baby
the best bike is the one you have!
I love my 26.
Love it.
Awesome! maybe Santa Cruz should make 26 an option for the V10
Master what you’ve got, be grateful for the bike you have! When the time is right to change up to a modern geo bike you’ll unlock so many benefits! It’s like learning to DJ on vinyl! But if you can rock a party it doesn’t matter what you’re spinning!
He looks like a freaking giant on the 2006 in the first few shots but by the end... it was looking like nice flowy fit! Its wild how much different the bikes were.
Fascinating 🧐 26” is not dead 👊
Loved this.
That was cool! Thanks guys. :)
I'd like to see the 21 frame and components on the 26 wheels. That said I ride 650b, and built my wife a heckler on 26 for best fit, and its a hoot to ride, very very chuckable, makes me miss the little wheels from my DH days.
Uff! Nice comparison. Now I am sure that my Orange Patriot 66 from 2007 is still an all terrain poem.
Will buy 29er for my xc rides. The old one from 1994 is just exhausted, of me :) although DeoreLX equipment still functions superbly.
Back to the Sketch days 👊🏻
Great video looking good on the old bike tho
I liked the parks and recreation vibe lol
Like old times 🍻 legend
Old is Gold !
LOVE THIS
This summer my 2007 V10 rear triangle broke... Is there any way to find another one? I don't want to let stop that treasure!
Hit up our warranty guys or your local distributor.
@@santacruzbicycles2841 Thanks! I will check. As the bike is that old, I didn't think they would give me any solution
Legend of the sport and an animal for all things wild..big up Sheffield, big up uk big up peaty
King of the F-ing North!!!
Please bring Greg along to race the old V10 vs Peaty on the new!
Could almost see a tear in his eye when he got back on the old one. 26 will make a comeback when people realise it’s no fun just ploughing down a run.
Imho they should have mandated 26" and a wheelbase limit in pro DH.
i just hope the oval wheel doesn't come back.
but it is fun!
@@filipw8050 I'm for mandating square wheels.
I went biking just the other day and sampled a couple short DH runs, on a bike with 26" tires. I can't wait to return to the trail and try it again; it was really fun! Although I'm sure 27.5" is the sweet spot for downhill, I think 26" is nowhere as bad as some claim it is. It's not as though everyone is riding extremely technical terrain anyway.
Best of both worlds… 27.5. I' m sticking with them for as long as I can.
2006 kit looks ace!
The old royal kit is still mint!
I have a set of those 26" white rims downstairs if you want them. I used the hubs to build some carbon 27.5 wheels for my daughter. :)