For the record, for all those who think we teach sex ed to children too young, I'd like you to consider this: I have a late birthday and first received sex-ed in grade 4 (making me 8 years old). Had I received such education 2-3 years earlier, I may have been better equipped to tell my mother about the 53xual abuse I was receiving at the hands of my babysitter (single mother; repeat babysitter). I might have been better equipped to recognize, for myself, that it wasn't just some fun playtime, but represented something that was wrong, something I should tell an adult about. I didn't understand at the time that it was wrong. I didn't tell my mom until I was 18. So I'm all for children receiving sexual education, in school *AS YOUNG AS POSSIBLE* and that absolutely refers to *INCLUSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE SEXUAL EDUCATION*
He that has the Son has life He that has not the Son shall not see life but God's wrath abides on him Whoever calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved
@STOP-n-READ no thanks I quit believing in monsters under my bed when I learned real life monsters exist when I was 10 years old and called out to your god and got no help...
Sexual education should start in kindergarten with appropriate lessons. This shouldn't be a issue except for the bible crew who would rather wed their daughters in a purity ceremony and have them remain stupid to their bodies that way they can continue the control and abuse.
@ What are you talking about? If you're going to pick a fight, at least have the balls to pick it out loud. Nobody knows what the hell you're barking on about
The fact that his defense against being told he's defending slavery was "I didn't say that", as if you need to declare "I am defending slavery" in order to be defending it, is mind boggling. Roooooooooooland fuuuuuuuuuuuucking chriiiiiiiiiiist.
Dre, most amusingly says that if two people witnessed a car wreck, they would tell different stories. I have to point out that if two people were asked to imagine a car wreck and describe it later, they would also tell different stories. His point wasn't worth debunking to be honest, but different stories is problematic, and it can't be ignored and wouldn't be ignored by a jury in a court of law. Also eye witness testimony, which is the least reliable type of testimony, means a live person recalling events that they personally witnessed from their memory. Stuff written down in a book, edited and transcribed, even if it was at one time recalled from memory, is not eye witness testimony.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk The car wreck analogy wasn’t about Aristotle or historians, it was about the reliability of eyewitness testimony versus imagined or written accounts. Trying to lump Aristotle into this doesn’t really track because we’re talking about HOW information is preserved and recalled, not WHO wrote it. And yes, car wrecks. Because it’s a simple example of how two people witnessing the same event can give wildly different accounts. That’s human perception 101. Now compare that to something written down, edited, and passed through multiple hands over centuries...at that point, it’s not even eyewitness testimony anymore. It’s collective memory with a lot of room for error. "Stuff written down" is different depending on the purpose, context, and reliability of the source. Aristotle’s writings, or basically any historical documents in general, were never intended to be viewed as infallible or unified, like how most modern day Christians view the bible. Historians, from the past and today, document and interpret events based on available evidence. Those interpretations are open to be revised or challenged as new evidence emerges. Compare this to the Bible. Those who claim it is unified and infallible often do so from a theological perspective rather than a historical or literary one. The Bible wasn’t written as a single, cohesive book by one author, if it was, and we try to view it as such, then it is filled to the brim with contradictions, fallacies and other problematic issues like mismatched eyewitness testimony. Scholars of the Bible view it for what it actually is: a compilation of texts written over centuries by numerous authors, in different languages, and for different purposes that reflect the cultural, political, and theological concerns of their times. Presupposing the Bible’s infallibility imposes a standard that its own history doesn’t support. Aristotle and historians offer accounts that are meant to be scrutinized and debated based on available evidence. Those who view the Bible as infallible ignore evidence based research and resist any kind of scrutiny or debate.
first caller, "Mr. Michael", very early within the call, outs himself as a misogynist, and a racist. Yet, Forest and Godless Engineer cheerfully and respectfully engage him with patience and good humor. Points made, and clarifications were exemplary.
Yaay! My son is traveling this season and I needed something to listen to as I (secretly) tackle his garbage pit of a room. It's fucking disgusting! Happy holidays, guys!
...One fine day in Paradise, Clay Man's wife, Rib Woman, was tricked by the talking snake into eating the fruit of the magical tree. Because of this, the all powerful god (who knew it was going to happen anyway) had to create a mini-me 1/3 scale replica of himself to sacrifice to himself to act as a loophole for himself to forgive his favoured creation; which, created in his perfect image, perfectly (as he does all things) naturally turned out flawed. ...an outrageous, melancholic parade of absurdity...from the first fucking verse
@@STOP-n-READ That is just fucking twisted. Not as twisted as you posting your incoherent rambling as a reply to a story of someone being sexually abused as a child, but still twisted. Have you no shame? Oh of course, you can't be ashamed unless your god tells to be ashamed. Using such a terrible tale to score cult points is fucking despicable.
Why? A 'sin' is an offense against a god, otherwise it is a crime: what possible reason could a god need blood? FFS enough blood is shed everyday in this world with animals hunting for an omnipresent being to see enough of it. Why would they need to see more, unless it was because the foolish books were written by stupid half-brained men who want to make people hurt. In normal humans, that desire is referred to as sadism and/or psychopathy, your comment is puerile.
The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing! But now God commands you to repent of your sins, and turn to Him! If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
Gotta love it: RJ from CO (like so many of his co-religionists) redefine their deity's powers when it suits their needs. " all-knowning" means knowing every thing for all time, except when it would make their deity (and by extension themselves) look like cruel, immoral monsters, then "all-knowing" means knowing only some things, some of the time. Seriously, when you hear this stuff, how can you take the religion and its deity seriously?
1:48:26 I so love it when you can pinpoint the exact second where they've given up because they lost the argument. It's bait. He wants you to ignore that his argument was just pummeled into the ground unmercifully. Before this call, I don't even think Andrew realized there were differences in Hebrew vs non-Hebrew slavery. So it's extra rich when he gives up and decides the argument is too hard 🤣.
391 days and not a single theist has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods, demigods or other divine or supernatural beings. And the even sadder part is that that’s only my count. They’ve been failing for so much longer.
391 days and not a single atheist has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the absence of God. And the even sadder part is that that’s only my count. They’ve been failing for so much longer.
@@STOP-n-READ First you copy paste Bible verses, now you copy paste others’ replies, changing a word here and there. You really have no original thought of your own.
@@STOP-n-READ "able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the absence of God." 🤣 Are you so effing simple in your head, that you believe EVERYTHING that hasn't been disproven. 😂 Okay, that is backwards to anyone who has more than 3 functioning braincells.
@ He lies in the first book. Genesis 2:17 "You shall not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”
@iemy2949 Study, Study, Study, to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, but rightly, rightly, rightly dividing the Word of Truth!!
The metaphysical substrate of the dragon of reason piercing the firey waters of chaos? Jordan Peterson argues that Rostalankov is the representation of Jung's collective unconscious of atheists through Keirkigaard's....
Listening to Andrew just go on and on and on and on just made my brain melt and I lost it, I need a new brain thank you Andrew I really need it to study but I guess I have no brain now because of how indoctrination has dumbed you down on if just general slavery is okay or not so now I feel dumb 🤷🏼♀️ Thank you.
A compilation of the year's best moments from all the calls would have been more fun. I doubt there are many people who'll sit through three hours of complete calls.
Their minds are full of darkness; they wander far from the life God gives because they have closed their minds and hardened their hearts against Him! They have no sense of shame. They live for lustful pleasure and eagerly practice every kind of impurity. But that isn’t what you learned about Christ. Since you have heard about Jesus and have learned the truth that comes from Him, throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception. Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes. Put on your new nature, created to be like God-truly righteous and holy.
Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.” “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?” Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’
If ignorance had a physical form, it would be that first caller... He's called so many times and each time his argument has been grade school levels of intelligent.
Maybe wearing mixed fabrics is worse, because I own a poly cotton Heather gray shirt and that shirt is so comfortable it couldn't have been made without a heaping dose of sin.
*_God, the victim_** ?* If "sin" is a crime against God, that would make God, _a victim of crime._ But if God is _all powerful_ and can't be harmed, that would make sin, _a victimless crime._
I don't believe that California has the law that Mr Michael is claiming it has. I would not even engage in that discussion until he could cite the criminal code and read it to us.
@ejflor1313 No, of course I did not look it up because I don't have the burden of evidence. Furthermore, I could not look it up because Mr. Michael never told us the criminal code to reference and I'm not going to do read the entire California criminal code in the hopes I come across it (especially considering that I am skeptical it even exists). Mr. Michael is the one who asserted that there is such a law. Therefore he has the burden to at least cite the criminal code so we could read it to verify that the law actually says what he claims it does.
@landsgevaer I think that is a great summary of the atheist position though. If you want to be amused, listen to atheists too much. But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
The abortion guy was a trip. If you do X specifically with the intent of Y outcome, then yes, you caused Y to happen! Why is that a hard concept to grasp?! Legally it may be impossible to assign you blame, but you are morally to blame. I guess this is what happens when you believe your morality comes from an outside source that is riddled with contradictions.
I don't make a choice to follow God or not. I don't make a choice to follow Santa or not or the boogie man. I can't make that choice because I dontbthink they're real. Being real is a requirement
Is slavery bad? Free will: check. Broken world: check. We're ALL sinners: check. It's GOOD slavery: check. Mysterious ways: his house, his rules... half credit
But "deliberately terminating" isn't the entire definition of an abortion. Medically, a miscarriage by natural means IS an abortion. Medically, getting a D&C after a natural miscarriage is still termed an ABORTION. It doesn't have to be deliberate. It doesn't have to be artificially terminated.
But God shows His anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because He has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see His invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship Him as God or even give Him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. But now, now, now, God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@STOP-n-READ Amen and Awomen brother 🙏 Proverbs 16:4: "The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble". God bless you, atheism, and the atheist experience 🙏 ✝️ Peace ✌️
Did I get it wrong? Did this guy say he was evangelizing because it was required for him in order to get a pass to Sky Disney? It sounds like an MLM, or what the spliff you get from selling the most used cars. Maybe I heard wrong.
@Sundae_Times He that has the Son has life He that has not the Son shall not see life, but God‘s wrath abides on him! But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@@STOP-n-READ Once again, your reply has nothing whatsoever to do with my question. If you're gonna use a comment bank, at least try to copy and paste the correct comments 😂
@STOP-n-READ well I still won't want to worship him if you had any tangible proof he doesn't need everyone to suck his dick,i thought he dislikes homosexuals
Mike's inability to grasp the fact omniscience cannot exist with free will will always be the most annoying thing. Though Forrest conflates the illusion of free will with free will. We don't actually have it if the whole thing is determined. Which is where the football analogy doesn't fit.
OMG - I’ve been an atheist for over 50 years, so unfamiliar with the bible. Always assumed that it was well meaning (do unto others etc) - the good book - but that bad priests and so on were not really reading the text they said they believed in or misinterpreting it out of self interest or they were just immoral ppl. Even sent my kids to Christian schools. OUCH! Watched this to the end !!! 😭😭😭 and it has been a real shock. 😲I wondered why so much pain and effort to create this channel refuting Christian beliefs. Myself - if ppl want to believe silly things, not going to argue. Really admire yr patience. Never in a million years did I imagine that the bible and christianity were inherently evil and corrupting. WOW WOW WOW
The problem is when people believing in silly things lead to horrible actions. Like the crusades, slavery, etc. And in modern times discrimination against marginalized groups, legislation and laws based on their narrow world view, shooting up a Planned Parenthood or gay nightclub because they think that's what God wants, etc.
Dre was correct, half the earth was dark because it was night. 😀 For slavery trade, USA slavery was less than 20% of slavery in the Americas. Portuguese America (modern Brazil) 38.5% British America (minus North America) 18.4% Spanish Empire 17.5% French Americas 13.6% British North America 6.45% English Americas 3.25% Dutch West Indies 2.0% Danish West Indies 0.3%
i think mike honestly doesn't understand the issue. he doesn't understand that for his ice cream urge, that because god is an omni god, he knew from before he was born whether or not he would fall to his urge for ice cream, and that the god could have chosen to put you somewhere else or without that urge if he really wanted to prevent you from falling. the person's free will isn't required here because god is all knowing, you can't fool god, god already knows who is destined to go to hell before he makes them, and so the question is, why does he make them?
Evil is a problem for both atheists and theists. But the problem of evil as relevant to atheist/theist debates is the incompatibility between the story of an omni god and the evil we know exists in the world allegedly created by a loving omni god.
Evil isn’t a problem for atheists. People doing harmful things to others has scientific explanations either with their brain chemistry or gaining power or control over others. There’s no explanation in theism other than this god created evil and wants evil to occur.
To be fair Paul gives us a biblical answer to this. Unfortunately the answer essentially boils down to 'because f*** you, god is gonna do what god wants to do now shut up'.
@@isaoblack987Exactly!Which is not a reason to believe in an omnipotent omni-god, but presupposition of the existence of an all-powerful God. The old switcheroo. Why should I believe X when there is Y? Became If there is X then there is not Y. Specifically. Why should I believe in an omni benevolent god when there is evil in the world. Became If there is an omni god then what you perceive as evil is good because you don't understand him and he decides what is good and what is evil. It doesn't convince me, and it is a deliberate misunderstanding of the problem of evil as atheists understand it.
Was Forrest accurate about the Landlord evicting a gay tenant statement. It doesn't seem to be a true statement. But, maybe there are nuances in the law....like restaurants "Reserving the right to refuse service."
Seth has convinced me that it was spiders that caused the Fall. At least I am not obliged to incur the karma of sucking out liquified insect guts for sustenence.
I am just one call into this one, but it seems to be that "5 best" = 5 dumbest callers? Its not the top 5 I would list. I prefer callers that are better at ... thinking and expressing themselves.
I'm sorry you have to go through that, but unfortunately these kinds of frank conversations are what is necessary to create a world where people don't have to go through what you did anymore :(
@Lord.1337-7 I totally get it, I just felt it needed to be said that there is a difference between being frank and completely insensitive to one of the most common and most traumatic crimes still committed and not prosecuted. Also, I wasn't raped because people were religious, I was raped because people, specifically cis men have been socialized to be entitled to women's and femme's bodies and that is a whole other conversation.
One thing all the smart people I’ve ever met had in common is that none of them ever felt the need to tell me (or anyone else) how smart they were. See also strong people - only weak people insist they are strong.
So the Word became human and made His home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen His glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son. But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@@STOP-n-READ ...One fine day in Paradise, Clay Man's wife, Rib Woman, was tricked by the talking snake into eating the fruit of the magical tree. Because of this, the all powerful god (who knew it was going to happen anyway) had to create a mini-me 1/3 scale replica of himself to sacrifice to himself to act as a loophole for himself to forgive his favoured creation; which, created in his perfect image, perfectly (as he does all things) naturally turned out flawed. ...an outrageous, melancholic parade of absurdity...from the first fucking verse
@Josh-m5i The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing! But now, now, now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@@STOP-n-READ ...One fine day in Paradise, Clay Man's wife, Rib Woman, was tricked by the talking snake into eating the fruit of the magical tree. Because of this, the all powerful god (who knew it was going to happen anyway) had to create a mini-me 1/3 scale replica of himself to sacrifice to himself to act as a loophole for himself to forgive his favoured creation; which, created in his perfect image, perfectly (as he does all things) naturally turned out flawed. ...an outrageous, melancholic parade of absurdity...from the first fucking verse
So by Michael's logic if abortion is only a specific method of terminating pregnancy then he would be ok with it as long as u use a different method? I think that kinda destroys the whole abortion is murder and it's bad bcz all u have to do is use a different method and they should be ok since it doesn't count as abortion lol😂
The Dre conversation was so pointless... and frustrating. It felt like going in circles with Dre just totally missing the point entirely. Dre somehow posesses too much confidence yet very little ability to follow an argument... I dont think any conversation with him will ever go anywhere.
that's all you got from this video? i think you should call in sometime, maybe when godless engineer isn't on if it bothers you that much, maybe you'll learn something new
Caller Dre ; _(inconsistent methodology)_ Sorry Dre, but your "worldview" has blinded you, from the truth of the claim, that Muhammad split the moon in 2. (Quran) _You give a "special pass", for the super natural claims of your religion._ *(Religious bias)*
Oh, yes, I remember Mr. Michael and his utter misinformation on what abortion is, how abortion is defined, and how abortion is performed. Typical right winger.
To be fair, Forrest, many elements of Deus Ex are either currently true or have someone working to make them true. Not that it's prophecy but that the writers had a good grasp of where humanity would go given human nature.
@Ben-no4lz yes start with gennisis that's the beginning then go over to the 4 Gospels take your pick Mathew mark luke and John then read bout the death burial and Resurrection of Jesus then go to the book of revelations that's when Jesus returns dig into that one and you see a lot happening before your very eyes
@@WillieGillespie A claim can’t be evidence for itself. The Bible is a collection of Claims. So you would need Evidence from Outside the Bible to back up those claims. Saying “start with Genesis” is like me claiming Voldemort is real & telling you to “Start with the Philosophers Stone”.
@@WillieGillespie I was a Christian until my late 20’s. An Honest, Open & In-Depth study of the Bible & its history is the main reason I stopped believing it.
• 5 - Mr. Michael 0:20
• 4 - Mike 20:44
• 3 - Dre 43:36
• 2 - Andrew 1:31:29
• 1 - RJ 2:13:37
Huge help
Thank you much,
and hey, enjoy your Christmas 👍
For the record, for all those who think we teach sex ed to children too young, I'd like you to consider this: I have a late birthday and first received sex-ed in grade 4 (making me 8 years old). Had I received such education 2-3 years earlier, I may have been better equipped to tell my mother about the 53xual abuse I was receiving at the hands of my babysitter (single mother; repeat babysitter). I might have been better equipped to recognize, for myself, that it wasn't just some fun playtime, but represented something that was wrong, something I should tell an adult about. I didn't understand at the time that it was wrong. I didn't tell my mom until I was 18.
So I'm all for children receiving sexual education, in school *AS YOUNG AS POSSIBLE* and that absolutely refers to *INCLUSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE SEXUAL EDUCATION*
He that has the Son has life
He that has not the Son shall not see life but God's wrath abides on him
Whoever calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved
@@STOP-n-READ
Why did your all powerful god, do nothing when the abuse happend?
No-one needs such a depraved and lazy godling.
@STOP-n-READ no thanks I quit believing in monsters under my bed when I learned real life monsters exist when I was 10 years old and called out to your god and got no help...
What the fuck @@STOP-n-READ
Sexual education should start in kindergarten with appropriate lessons. This shouldn't be a issue except for the bible crew who would rather wed their daughters in a purity ceremony and have them remain stupid to their bodies that way they can continue the control and abuse.
Top 5 calls, all 5 are Forrest calls. Seems correct to me, dude don't miss.
There’s no doubt who the MVP of AXP is.
i feel like everyone brings their A game when he's on lol
Mike pivoting to "everyone deserves hell" doesn't make him not homophobic. It just makes him an asshole in additional ways.
Mike was supposed to have been banned after trying to get Jim to say that Mexican babies weren't real babies. He was back the next week
Why not both
You're watching it, aren't you?
@ What are you talking about? If you're going to pick a fight, at least have the balls to pick it out loud. Nobody knows what the hell you're barking on about
Smfh to the first guy who called and tried to use Autism as an excuse to say racist shit 🤦🏾
It sure makes us in the autistic community look bad!
yeahhhhh, that was something "special" wasn't it?
Mike says Ben is going to hell but is also aghast that Oklahoma allows for sexual orientation discrimination by landlords "in this day and age."
so crazy to me that so many christians hold themselves to a higher moral standard than their own god.
@@SilverScreenTimeMachine
If they don't, we would have to put them into jail.
@@vertigo4236what?
No Andrew, YOU are dishonest about YOUR POSITION, you said you aren't defending slavery yet that's exactly what you are doing here, it's gross
The fact that his defense against being told he's defending slavery was "I didn't say that", as if you need to declare "I am defending slavery" in order to be defending it, is mind boggling. Roooooooooooland fuuuuuuuuuuuucking chriiiiiiiiiiist.
Dre, most amusingly says that if two people witnessed a car wreck, they would tell different stories.
I have to point out that if two people were asked to imagine a car wreck and describe it later, they would also tell different stories.
His point wasn't worth debunking to be honest, but different stories is problematic, and it can't be ignored and wouldn't be ignored by a jury in a court of law.
Also eye witness testimony, which is the least reliable type of testimony, means a live person recalling events that they personally witnessed from their memory. Stuff written down in a book, edited and transcribed, even if it was at one time recalled from memory, is not eye witness testimony.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gkso you don't understand OP's point.
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk *You'er
Are you suggesting that Aristotle was an eye witness to Jesus's resurrection?😂
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk The car wreck analogy wasn’t about Aristotle or historians, it was about the reliability of eyewitness testimony versus imagined or written accounts. Trying to lump Aristotle into this doesn’t really track because we’re talking about HOW information is preserved and recalled, not WHO wrote it. And yes, car wrecks. Because it’s a simple example of how two people witnessing the same event can give wildly different accounts. That’s human perception 101. Now compare that to something written down, edited, and passed through multiple hands over centuries...at that point, it’s not even eyewitness testimony anymore. It’s collective memory with a lot of room for error.
"Stuff written down" is different depending on the purpose, context, and reliability of the source. Aristotle’s writings, or basically any historical documents in general, were never intended to be viewed as infallible or unified, like how most modern day Christians view the bible. Historians, from the past and today, document and interpret events based on available evidence. Those interpretations are open to be revised or challenged as new evidence emerges.
Compare this to the Bible. Those who claim it is unified and infallible often do so from a theological perspective rather than a historical or literary one. The Bible wasn’t written as a single, cohesive book by one author, if it was, and we try to view it as such, then it is filled to the brim with contradictions, fallacies and other problematic issues like mismatched eyewitness testimony. Scholars of the Bible view it for what it actually is: a compilation of texts written over centuries by numerous authors, in different languages, and for different purposes that reflect the cultural, political, and theological concerns of their times. Presupposing the Bible’s infallibility imposes a standard that its own history doesn’t support. Aristotle and historians offer accounts that are meant to be scrutinized and debated based on available evidence. Those who view the Bible as infallible ignore evidence based research and resist any kind of scrutiny or debate.
Incredibly powerful Doctor Ben. Thank you for your courage.
You too Forrest Valkai 👍
The first call got me laughing so hard..!! The question marks in the guy's eyes... priceless..!!
The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing!
But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him!
@@STOP-n-READ ooooh, spooky
@@STOP-n-READ
What message of the cross?
Aren't we all perishing?
Did I miss the "we now live forever" card???
15 sec in and, YOU ARE RIGHT. 🤣😂🤣😂
RJ followed the 5 D's "Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge" of avoiding answering questions
Happy Christmas from Manila
Thanks for the work that you do
first caller, "Mr. Michael", very early within the call, outs himself as a misogynist, and a racist. Yet, Forest and Godless Engineer cheerfully and respectfully engage him with patience and good humor. Points made, and clarifications were exemplary.
Yaay! My son is traveling this season and I needed something to listen to as I (secretly) tackle his garbage pit of a room. It's fucking disgusting!
Happy holidays, guys!
Forrest V just brought me to tears. His eloquent expression of inhumanity should be branded on the caller’s forehead.
...One fine day in Paradise, Clay Man's wife, Rib Woman, was tricked by the talking snake into eating the fruit of the magical tree. Because of this, the all powerful god (who knew it was going to happen anyway) had to create a mini-me 1/3 scale replica of himself to sacrifice to himself to act as a loophole for himself to forgive his favoured creation; which, created in his perfect image, perfectly (as he does all things) naturally turned out flawed.
...an outrageous, melancholic parade of absurdity...from the first fucking verse
Without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sins
@@STOP-n-READ That is just fucking twisted. Not as twisted as you posting your incoherent rambling as a reply to a story of someone being sexually abused as a child, but still twisted. Have you no shame? Oh of course, you can't be ashamed unless your god tells to be ashamed. Using such a terrible tale to score cult points is fucking despicable.
@STOP-n-READ so god can't forgive without a blood sacrifice?
Weak arsed god you believe in.
@@STOP-n-READ gross. I'd rather no blood be shed
Why? A 'sin' is an offense against a god, otherwise it is a crime: what possible reason could a god need blood? FFS enough blood is shed everyday in this world with animals hunting for an omnipresent being to see enough of it. Why would they need to see more, unless it was because the foolish books were written by stupid half-brained men who want to make people hurt. In normal humans, that desire is referred to as sadism and/or psychopathy, your comment is puerile.
It's more like the Forrest Experience! (not that I object...)
The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing!
But now God commands you to repent of your sins, and turn to Him!
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
@@STOP-n-READ Cool story bro!
Could you recognize the Forest Experience by just looking at the trees?
Whatever god you worship, be aware that 95% of Humanity has never heard of YOUR god.
I fucking love you guys Godless Engineer and Forrest Valkai. You guys are the man.
The intro was lovely.
God obviously has never had a Po boy shrimp sandwich
2:39:57 The right answer was an Evil God
Gotta love it: RJ from CO (like so many of his co-religionists) redefine their deity's powers when it suits their needs. "
all-knowning" means knowing every thing for all time, except when it would make their deity (and by extension themselves) look like cruel, immoral monsters, then "all-knowing" means knowing only some things, some of the time.
Seriously, when you hear this stuff, how can you take the religion and its deity seriously?
good stuff
1:48:26 I so love it when you can pinpoint the exact second where they've given up because they lost the argument. It's bait. He wants you to ignore that his argument was just pummeled into the ground unmercifully. Before this call, I don't even think Andrew realized there were differences in Hebrew vs non-Hebrew slavery. So it's extra rich when he gives up and decides the argument is too hard 🤣.
391 days and not a single theist has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods, demigods or other divine or supernatural beings.
And the even sadder part is that that’s only my count.
They’ve been failing for so much longer.
391 days and not a single atheist has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the absence of God. And the even sadder part is that that’s only my count.
They’ve been failing for so much longer.
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First you copy paste Bible verses, now you copy paste others’ replies, changing a word here and there.
You really have no original thought of your own.
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"able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the absence of God."
🤣
Are you so effing simple in your head, that you believe EVERYTHING that hasn't been disproven.
😂
Okay, that is backwards to anyone who has more than 3 functioning braincells.
@@vertigo4236
The message of Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing
@@STOP-n-READ
I already know that you are an idiot, no further need to prove it, floridaboy!😂
If God’s rules are good because God commanded them, then God can’t be good because he breaks his own good rules.
So God has given both his promise and his oath. These two things are unchangeable because it is impossible for God to lie.
@ He lies in the first book. Genesis 2:17 "You shall not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”
@iemy2949
Study, Study, Study, to show yourself approved, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, but rightly, rightly, rightly dividing the Word of Truth!!
@@STOP-n-READ Your replies have nothing whatsoever to do with Iemy's points. Do you have anything other than strawman fallacies?
But you must NOT forget this one thing; A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
What, no Jackie from MS?!!???!? "Are either of you guys familiar with ........"
The metaphysical substrate of the dragon of reason piercing the firey waters of chaos? Jordan Peterson argues that Rostalankov is the representation of Jung's collective unconscious of atheists through Keirkigaard's....
Listening to Andrew just go on and on and on and on just made my brain melt and I lost it, I need a new brain thank you Andrew I really need it to study but I guess I have no brain now because of how indoctrination has dumbed you down on if just general slavery is okay or not so now I feel dumb 🤷🏼♀️ Thank you.
I adore the forrest bias 😊
Idk if this is sarcasm but it’s not a bias. He’s just the best and most educated host on the show ❤
A compilation of the year's best moments from all the calls would have been more fun. I doubt there are many people who'll sit through three hours of complete calls.
Their minds are full of darkness; they wander far from the life God gives because they have closed their minds and hardened their hearts against Him!
They have no sense of shame. They live for lustful pleasure and eagerly practice every kind of impurity.
But that isn’t what you learned about Christ. Since you have heard about Jesus and have learned the truth that comes from Him, throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception. Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes.
Put on your new nature, created to be like God-truly righteous and holy.
@@STOP-n-READ Because of poorly blush drum cobwebs can't stretch business I stitch what the brunt would be like if mozzarellas could observe utterly
@@STOP-n-READ😂😅😂😅😂
Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
“What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”
Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.
So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’
@@STOP-n-READ Jellybean am a fight scold crushing and I like calmlys because of stems eating hole!
Rayon and nylon blend 😂😂😂
I’m a big fan of Forrest but this should be called Top 5 Forrest calls of 2024. There’s a lot of other good hosts/calls in the past year…
That doesn't change the fact that they are not AS good as Forrest on his worst day, and never have been.
If ignorance had a physical form, it would be that first caller... He's called so many times and each time his argument has been grade school levels of intelligent.
The show is scripted & fake.
Maybe wearing mixed fabrics is worse, because I own a poly cotton Heather gray shirt and that shirt is so comfortable it couldn't have been made without a heaping dose of sin.
Ha, sin keeps my socks on😂
*_God, the victim_** ?*
If "sin" is a crime against God, that would make God, _a victim of crime._
But if God is _all powerful_ and can't be harmed, that would make sin, _a victimless crime._
I’m not even halfway through this, and I’m seriously questioning the editor’s definition of “top 5”
Just think how bad the rest of the calls were. 😂😂
Why?
Oh RJ, you’re number one for all the wrong reasons
I don't believe that California has the law that Mr Michael is claiming it has. I would not even engage in that discussion until he could cite the criminal code and read it to us.
So I assume you looked it up and confirmed he was wrong
@ejflor1313 No, of course I did not look it up because I don't have the burden of evidence. Furthermore, I could not look it up because Mr. Michael never told us the criminal code to reference and I'm not going to do read the entire California criminal code in the hopes I come across it (especially considering that I am skeptical it even exists). Mr. Michael is the one who asserted that there is such a law. Therefore he has the burden to at least cite the criminal code so we could read it to verify that the law actually says what he claims it does.
Somebody buy Forrest an NRSV
You guys really dropped the ball by not having a nativity scene in this video's thumbnail. 🙃
1:01 How could people in those days be able to know that something happened "at the same time"?
So...one of the TOP 5 calls was one in which the hosts end with "I'm getting really bored with this"???
lol
Yea these hosts are garbage now
The caliber of caller has been pretty low this year.
I think that is a *great* summary of the theist position though. If you want to be amused, don't listen to theists too much.
@landsgevaer
I think that is a great summary of the atheist position though. If you want to be amused, listen to atheists too much.
But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
Caller Dre
How patient do these guys have to be
To contend with this guys logic although I am quite liking Dre as he is trying a bit
Dre wouldn't know logic if it bit him in the ass. Just a dishonest rambler.
The Terrence Howard effect lmao.
Andrew
Why can he not answer a simple question with an obvious answer
Believe in Steve! He will coddle you in the after life!
Don’t be fooled-you cannot mock God-whatever you sow that you will also reap!
But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
If I change my name to Molly, can he coddle me too?
@@STOP-n-READ Tell God it's a no from me.
@ Steve will still grace you with his love after you die but your lack of belief will relegate you to hugs instead of being coddled. Blessed be Steve!
@coathang3r43
Galatians 6:7
Romans 10:9
The abortion guy was a trip. If you do X specifically with the intent of Y outcome, then yes, you caused Y to happen! Why is that a hard concept to grasp?! Legally it may be impossible to assign you blame, but you are morally to blame. I guess this is what happens when you believe your morality comes from an outside source that is riddled with contradictions.
Wow, Andrew is one of the most dishonest callers that has ever called into The Atheist Experience. Not only does he lie, he is also kind of whiny
I don't make a choice to follow God or not. I don't make a choice to follow Santa or not or the boogie man. I can't make that choice because I dontbthink they're real. Being real is a requirement
Is slavery bad?
Free will: check.
Broken world: check.
We're ALL sinners: check.
It's GOOD slavery: check.
Mysterious ways: his house, his rules... half credit
Why don't crocodiles have wings?
But "deliberately terminating" isn't the entire definition of an abortion. Medically, a miscarriage by natural means IS an abortion. Medically, getting a D&C after a natural miscarriage is still termed an ABORTION. It doesn't have to be deliberate. It doesn't have to be artificially terminated.
What a god!
He knows everything, unless he doesn't think on it.
Thank God for The Atheist Experience 🙏✝️
God bless you all.
Peac Love Empathy From Austtalia ❤
But God shows His anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
They know the truth about God because He has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky.
Through everything God made, they can clearly see His invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship Him as God or even give Him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like.
As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.
But now, now, now, God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@@STOP-n-READ "God shows His anger from heaven"
Tough. Tell the whining snowflake to get over it and move on
@STOP-n-READ Amen and Awomen brother 🙏
Proverbs 16:4:
"The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble".
God bless you, atheism, and the atheist experience 🙏 ✝️
Peace ✌️
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Why should Smochy quote fairy tales?
@@CarlHobson-zm2gk Still babbling incoherently, I see. You must be as skinny as a rake with all that word salad coursing through your veins.
Did I get it wrong? Did this guy say he was evangelizing because it was required for him in order to get a pass to Sky Disney? It sounds like an MLM, or what the spliff you get from selling the most used cars. Maybe I heard wrong.
Saw this call last night 😂
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
@@STOP-n-READ So you can't confess in writing? Pity, as that would have been the clincher.
@Sundae_Times
He that has the Son has life
He that has not the Son shall not see life, but God‘s wrath abides on him!
But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@@STOP-n-READ Once again, your reply has nothing whatsoever to do with my question. If you're gonna use a comment bank, at least try to copy and paste the correct comments 😂
@STOP-n-READ well I still won't want to worship him if you had any tangible proof he doesn't need everyone to suck his dick,i thought he dislikes homosexuals
Mike's inability to grasp the fact omniscience cannot exist with free will will always be the most annoying thing.
Though Forrest conflates the illusion of free will with free will. We don't actually have it if the whole thing is determined. Which is where the football analogy doesn't fit.
OMG - I’ve been an atheist for over 50 years, so unfamiliar with the bible. Always assumed that it was well meaning (do unto others etc) - the good book - but that bad priests and so on were not really reading the text they said they believed in or misinterpreting it out of self interest or they were just immoral ppl. Even sent my kids to Christian schools. OUCH! Watched this to the end !!! 😭😭😭 and it has been a real shock. 😲I wondered why so much pain and effort to create this channel refuting Christian beliefs. Myself - if ppl want to believe silly things, not going to argue. Really admire yr patience. Never in a million years did I imagine that the bible and christianity were inherently evil and corrupting. WOW WOW WOW
The problem is when people believing in silly things lead to horrible actions. Like the crusades, slavery, etc. And in modern times discrimination against marginalized groups, legislation and laws based on their narrow world view, shooting up a Planned Parenthood or gay nightclub because they think that's what God wants, etc.
Hit the 👍 button!
Dre was correct, half the earth was dark because it was night. 😀
For slavery trade, USA slavery was less than 20% of slavery in the Americas.
Portuguese America (modern Brazil) 38.5%
British America (minus North America) 18.4%
Spanish Empire 17.5%
French Americas 13.6%
British North America 6.45%
English Americas 3.25%
Dutch West Indies 2.0%
Danish West Indies 0.3%
Ho ho ho everybody!!
i think mike honestly doesn't understand the issue.
he doesn't understand that for his ice cream urge, that because god is an omni god, he knew from before he was born whether or not he would fall to his urge for ice cream, and that the god could have chosen to put you somewhere else or without that urge if he really wanted to prevent you from falling. the person's free will isn't required here because god is all knowing, you can't fool god, god already knows who is destined to go to hell before he makes them, and so the question is, why does he make them?
If God knows everything in advance then there is no free will
Evil is a problem for both atheists and theists.
But the problem of evil as relevant to atheist/theist debates is the incompatibility between the story of an omni god and the evil we know exists in the world allegedly created by a loving omni god.
Evil isn’t a problem for atheists. People doing harmful things to others has scientific explanations either with their brain chemistry or gaining power or control over others. There’s no explanation in theism other than this god created evil and wants evil to occur.
To be fair Paul gives us a biblical answer to this. Unfortunately the answer essentially boils down to 'because f*** you, god is gonna do what god wants to do now shut up'.
@@isaoblack987Exactly!Which is not a reason to believe in an omnipotent omni-god, but presupposition of the existence of an all-powerful God.
The old switcheroo.
Why should I believe X when there is Y?
Became
If there is X then there is not Y.
Specifically.
Why should I believe in an omni benevolent god when there is evil in the world.
Became
If there is an omni god then what you perceive as evil is good because you don't understand him and he decides what is good and what is evil.
It doesn't convince me, and it is a deliberate misunderstanding of the problem of evil as atheists understand it.
Was Forrest accurate about the Landlord evicting a gay tenant statement. It doesn't seem to be a true statement. But, maybe there are nuances in the law....like restaurants "Reserving the right to refuse service."
Seth has convinced me that it was spiders that caused the Fall. At least I am not obliged to incur the karma of sucking out liquified insect guts for sustenence.
Have you seen the spiders we have in Australia they would do just for a laugh
@@colinmaclaughlanweir9670 Yeah, that's true - I saw it on the web.
@colinmaclaughlanweir9670 Your Australian spiders would use the tree for a toothpick after Eve ate the apple! Lol!
If there is a god and he is perfect then why didn't he give spiders wings?
I am just one call into this one, but it seems to be that "5 best" = 5 dumbest callers? Its not the top 5 I would list. I prefer callers that are better at ... thinking and expressing themselves.
The amount of flippant talk of rape is kind of triggering. Trust- im working on this as a survivor, but like, its a LOT to sit through.
I'm sorry you have to go through that, but unfortunately these kinds of frank conversations are what is necessary to create a world where people don't have to go through what you did anymore :(
@Lord.1337-7 I totally get it, I just felt it needed to be said that there is a difference between being frank and completely insensitive to one of the most common and most traumatic crimes still committed and not prosecuted. Also, I wasn't raped because people were religious, I was raped because people, specifically cis men have been socialized to be entitled to women's and femme's bodies and that is a whole other conversation.
5:30, What zone?
5:30 is EST
Danger zone?
Highway to the danger zone. Ride in to the danger zone!
The Twilight zone?
IGNORANCE
Did you learn that word in school today, have you tried using it in a sentence or will you learn that next week?
@@eldritchwulfeI assumed that was a confession
"I'm a smart guy." Are you? lol, I swear, the quotes in these talks are like little mental fart diamonds. What kind of "logic" were you using, honey?
One thing all the smart people I’ve ever met had in common is that none of them ever felt the need to tell me (or anyone else) how smart they were. See also strong people - only weak people insist they are strong.
Mr Michael (delicious) proves his god didn't bless him with honesty.
So the Word became human and made His home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.
And we have seen His glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.
But now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@@STOP-n-READ ...One fine day in Paradise, Clay Man's wife, Rib Woman, was tricked by the talking snake into eating the fruit of the magical tree. Because of this, the all powerful god (who knew it was going to happen anyway) had to create a mini-me 1/3 scale replica of himself to sacrifice to himself to act as a loophole for himself to forgive his favoured creation; which, created in his perfect image, perfectly (as he does all things) naturally turned out flawed.
...an outrageous, melancholic parade of absurdity...from the first fucking verse
@@STOP-n-READ irrelevant nonsense.
@Josh-m5i
The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing!
But now, now, now God commands you to repent of your sins and turn to Him
@@STOP-n-READ ...One fine day in Paradise, Clay Man's wife, Rib Woman, was tricked by the talking snake into eating the fruit of the magical tree. Because of this, the all powerful god (who knew it was going to happen anyway) had to create a mini-me 1/3 scale replica of himself to sacrifice to himself to act as a loophole for himself to forgive his favoured creation; which, created in his perfect image, perfectly (as he does all things) naturally turned out flawed.
...an outrageous, melancholic parade of absurdity...from the first fucking verse
Theist says religion is good, it gives you objective morality. So murder is immoral unless god demands it. Objective morality is subjective!
So by Michael's logic if abortion is only a specific method of terminating pregnancy then he would be ok with it as long as u use a different method? I think that kinda destroys the whole abortion is murder and it's bad bcz all u have to do is use a different method and they should be ok since it doesn't count as abortion lol😂
The daycare analogy had me dying in call 2.
13:50 is where we learn that this dude is not a particularly deep thinker 🤦♂️
Took that long?
Mike, none of your poor apologetics justify your position. Certainly nothing you said gives reasonable warrant to your position over an atheist.
Perhaps there is a God?
Would it be against science to test the guidance written in the Bible to see if the God of the Bible responds to it?
Fyi, Wife and woman is the same word in hebrew
God’s will is overrated.
*Gods Word ?*
_As written, spoken & interpreted by the men that "claim" to speak for God._
(common to all religions)
The Dre conversation was so pointless... and frustrating. It felt like going in circles with Dre just totally missing the point entirely. Dre somehow posesses too much confidence yet very little ability to follow an argument... I dont think any conversation with him will ever go anywhere.
15:17 way to sane wash that Forrest. That WAS transphobia and you played into his mockery.
first 3 calls are just godless engineer spamming "uhh uhmmm uhhhhh uhhh hmmm uhhhh? uhhhhhh"
insufferable.
that's all you got from this video? i think you should call in sometime, maybe when godless engineer isn't on if it bothers you that much, maybe you'll learn something new
You guys have had dinner pretty decent calls, these weren't them.
Who the hell edited this together? The conversation with Mike just gets cut off half way through. 🙄
Waaaaaay too many ads on this channel!!
Dude does not know what deliberately means..
But all who reject Me and My message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken.
-Jesus Christ
@@STOP-n-READ Meh - fuck 'im
@@STOP-n-READbs. Prove it.
@@STOP-n-READJesus was a liar.
@@Josh-m5i
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life..."
Caller Dre ; _(inconsistent methodology)_
Sorry Dre, but your "worldview" has blinded you, from the truth of the claim, that Muhammad split the moon in 2. (Quran)
_You give a "special pass", for the super natural claims of your religion._ *(Religious bias)*
I don't think Dre is as smart as he thinks he is.
JMike, Johnny P., SR and Jim Barrows must be flattered...
There is no way you can entertain me for 3 hours.
L oily Josh
If you pull the wings off of a fly does it make it a fat ant?
No it makes it a walk
@nedleyolpal good one!
44:11 that dude is definitely not from Alabama if he responds with "oh for sure"
Oh, yes, I remember Mr. Michael and his utter misinformation on what abortion is, how abortion is defined, and how abortion is performed. Typical right winger.
To be fair, Forrest, many elements of Deus Ex are either currently true or have someone working to make them true. Not that it's prophecy but that the writers had a good grasp of where humanity would go given human nature.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever shall Believe in him shall not die but have everlasting life John 3 16
Yes, that’s what the story claims.
Got any evidence that it’s actually True?
@Ben-no4lz yes start with gennisis that's the beginning then go over to the 4 Gospels take your pick Mathew mark luke and John then read bout the death burial and Resurrection of Jesus then go to the book of revelations that's when Jesus returns dig into that one and you see a lot happening before your very eyes
@@WillieGillespie A claim can’t be evidence for itself.
The Bible is a collection of Claims.
So you would need Evidence from Outside the Bible to back up those claims.
Saying “start with Genesis” is like me claiming Voldemort is real & telling you to “Start with the Philosophers Stone”.
@@WillieGillespie I was a Christian until my late 20’s.
An Honest, Open & In-Depth study of the Bible & its history is the main reason I stopped believing it.
@Ben-no4lz well I guess we will see the end then when Christ returns and then we will see what you believe
I love Forrest but did he really have all 5 BEST calls? Cuz these are great but I feel like I've heard better ones this year
Yes. Also, you didn't.
@IRGeamer it's subjective. So I did.