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What Distance Should My Grow Lights be Above My Seeds Starts? & How Long Do I Leave the Lights On?
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- I provide clear examples of light distance, for *white LED shop lights*, above seed starts. I also show you what healthy stocky plants and leggy plants look like. Plants need more light at germination and the first 2-3 week period of growth.
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Every time I have a gardening question, there is a video for it on your channel! Amazing! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Your videos are awesome 🌷
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Very well-spoken and easy to listen to this presentation. Thank you.
One note I'd like to add is that some seeds prefer a rather cool germinate temperature, perhaps even into the 50° - 60° Fahrenheit range. When germinating seeds with such requirements, I place a very, very gentle fan to blow across the 1 - 3" gap between lights and sown seed starter trays. Not only does the gentle airflow keep the trays cool, despite the close proximity of the lights, but it also will make the new seedlings "dance" and wiggle about, which aids in even stronger, stouter stems at seedling stage.
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As a European, I watch so many of your videos. I can't even calculate garden things anymore using Centimeters and meters. Everything I can think of is inches and feet and it's so much easier for me. Same with Celcius and Fahrenheit, completely switched it.
Thanks. LOL. Its hard for me to keep them straight. Usually I prefer too say ...about this distance LOL.
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That's so hilarious to me! I'm so glad that it's so much easier for you! Crazy how our brains work, huh?
inches have their advantage when not dealing with high levels of precision, but Fahrenheit makes no sense to me, freezing point should be 0, not 32 or something
As an American engineer, I have to say this is tragic, lol, jk.
But seriously metric is better! English system doesn't even have a unit for mass... well, the slug, as if anyone uses it, they used pound for 200 years till they realized, oops, that's not mass.
This is very valuable information for me. Not just how high, but why! Great explanations! Perfect examples! THANK YOU!!!
Thanks so much
On and off I've had problems with leggy seedlings. Now I know the reason. Thanks Gary.
Good luck
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Just in time since I am getting ready to start some seeds and plan on installing my grow lights. I don’t know why I watch so many channels because you have everything covered. Love your videos.
Good luck with seed starting.
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Thanks so much. Am using grow lights for the first time this season. This help me greatly 👍
Good luck
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Amazing video that made me rethink the height of my lights! Thank you.!
It varies but test distance and watch the growth. Good luck
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So great to know. Exactly what I needed this week. Perfect timing. Thank you so much. Namaste
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your plants look amazing, and i’ve recently taken in your tips. people constantly online say, start it far then lower it. that’s literally the opposite and i understood that, but it’s all i could find. thank you for this advice.
Yeah more light at germination. Thats the key.
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Experience is the best teacher, but your videos are a lot easier.
Third year starting from seed and I think I finally got it.
Experience is so important cause lights and their ratings vary. So take notes and good luck
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Thanks allot Gary this is exactly the info I was looking for
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Thanks for the info. I'm growing right along with you. March is right around the corner, I'm so excited!
Getting close!
This is exactly what I needed....my last broccolis sprouts were leggy and I couldn't find a concise answer for the distance of the lights. Great video, to the point and informative. You just earned a new subscriber, and hopefully I'll have some broccoli this spring! Thank you.
Glad to help. The broccoli and brassicas can still get a little leggy due to the warmth of the house too. But the plants work it out. Light is most important.Thanks for subscribing.
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Thank you! This information is exactly what I needed right now!
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Thank you I tried looking and looking for how to do this because some of my plants where becoming leggy and yours was the best easiest explanation.
Glad to help.
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This was very Much needed , as many of My up-pot plants are higher then the seedlings For my herbs & flowers , Gonna raise the shelves ...God Bless
Good luck
Very straightforward and helpful.
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HI Gary, Just wanted to say that I appreciate all the hard work you are doing putting the video's together. cheers
Thanks so much. I enjoy it and am trying to answer questions in videos.
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Excellent
very interesting, i would not have expected to put them that low
Start lower and raise if the lets do some damage.
your videos are straight to the point and so helpful. thank you for that!
Thanks for these tips! The timing was perfect!
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Excellent video! Explains a lot regarding my leggy starters.. Thx!
Intense light is key.
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Getting ready for planting. Ordered my lights today.
Have fun!
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Great video! Love the simple explanation with the examples!
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Thank you. So helpful!
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I wish we could post photos on here. I purchased some cheap t5 LEDs off amozon this year for 35 dollars for 6 and my starts are amazing my peppers and tomatoes are so tight between the noobs I'm even doing hydroponic lettuce and kale under them. The lights are 24 watts 2200 LU and 6500k I've seen a big differences from using my T12 shop lights. I compaired the T5 with other T5 grow lights on Amazon and the T5s I purchased are the same watts higher lums and are only around 3000k. The less expensive lights are working better then I've ever dreamed of. So if anyone has any worries about the cheeper T5s on Amazon they work GREAT
The lights can be found on Amazon by searching Shinestar 4FT LED Tube Light Fixture 6500k Brite White 6 Pack 20 Watt T5 Light Bar
I wrote a review for the lights on Amazon and posted pictures of my plants with a picture of my PPFD reading , llluminance, and Kelvin reading at 4 inches away from the light. The name on the review is Ohio Overland
They do work well. You just have to get use to them a bit and they are great fro transplants
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Had to come back and refresh lol 😆 That Cree bulb u told us to use last yr for indoor worked great! Just MY error on height and time failed the 1st tray. 2nd tray did better 😉 Thanks always!! 💖🙏
Glad it worked. Good luck this year
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Broken t.v. are a great source of free leds. A 40 inch will have about 60 watts of leds in them on strips which make them easy to mount on a board.
Interesting
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Finally exactly what I need to know. Thanks!
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Wow this was a question that I just had today! Thank You!!!!
Glad to answer it.
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After about 13 hours my tomato seed leaves are pointing up and almost closed together. I don’t have any true leaves yet. I have grow lights about 2 inches above my solo cups, and seedlings are about an inch or so below the rim. They don’t point up until about 12-13 hours after being under the lights. Any guidance welcomed. This is my first year starting seeds indoors and I’m so invested in these “babies”. You are the reason I’ve attempted seed starting and I am so grateful for any tips you can give! Thank you for your knowledge and expertise!
They do that. Just stay even with moisture, let the top of the soil dry between watering. See how they look in a few days.
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@@THERUSTEDGARDEN Thank you so much!
Thank you for this very helpful and clear video.
Very glad to help.
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Wonderful garden 😀
Thank you for good sharing 😊
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New grower. I have 2 plants started inside. About month now
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Excellent instructions, thank you :)
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I recommend LED. High quality one. Dimmable. I use a mars sp3000 in a 2x4 tent. I use a lux Meter and concert lux to par. Adjust distance or brightness as needed. Fresh starts get 400ish par. Once true leaves emerge, 600+ depending on plants. Peppers now getting 800 par at 20 inch hang distance fill power. 287 watts.
Peppers need at least 14 hours. 16 would be better. 10 or 12 is too little.
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Oh thank God I ran across this video. I was having legging with some of my seedlings and not on others and I was wondering what I was doing wrong.
Hi, Could you please tell me what you use to easily adjust your lights and how you adjust them? If you have a video, it would be appreciated. Thanks.
No specific videos but I put light at a specific height and raise and lower the seed trays with pieces of packing styrofoam and old books.
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@@THERUSTEDGARDEN Thanks. Sounds easier to that then to move the lights up and down! 🙂
Good tips. 👏🌱
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thank you very much for the information!
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Thanks Gary. I think it would be important to mention people who are using LED lighting will fry their little guys if they are a few inches off. :)
Not in all cases. Thats the hard part. LED are in shop lights and grow lights. You have to know what you purchased. But it is good to test them and read instructions that come with them.
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Thank you! Great info!
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Perfect 👌 Thank you!
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Gary, hoping that you can help me with my grow light height(s). Seedling and beyond. My grow light is a (4) bulb (2’ x 4’) T-5, 54 watt, 5,000 lumens per bulb set-up.
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Early on for germination start about 3 inches above it. See how things go. That is the best way to do it.
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Hello, if you put your led lamps too close to the plant, there will be a heat problem. In fact the result depends on the power of the led lamps used, 3000 and 5000 lumens it corresponds roughly to a 30w and 50w lamp, (it's not much).
For seedlings I use a 150w led lamp at 24″ distance and I have good results. The seedlings don't require much light, about 250 PPFD.
True it depends on your system. This is for white LED shop lights as mentioned.
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"The seedlings don't require much light, about 250 PPFD."
How do you explain that seedlings are exposed to full sun (over 1000PPFD on average) in nature AND DON'T DIE?
@@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517 The seeds do not need more than 250 PPFD to germinate, but they can receive more. But beware, after germinating, some do not support full sun.
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i use proper grow lights 120W LED. one foot or more above trays, with full access to trays, and never leggy. no need to muck about changing height.
They are more effective and expensive but the distance is one of the benefits.
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If they are leggy and u move lite down will that work? Or do I have to start over?
Same question
If it is bad, I start over.
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Wondering the same....
I have 5k lumen and 5k Kelvin LEDs on my tomatoes, and they always pop out of the dirt leggy/thin for 16h each day with a fan. I have the light 2 to 3 inches away so I am not sure what is going on. I dig them up and repot them deeper for them to grow up higher thin/leggy.
Good stuff
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I have a 5500 lumen grow light over my tomato seedlings. They only germinated & popped through the soil yesterday. I have it about 2” or so above the plants. The lumen level is adjustable & I currently have it at 20%, which is 1,100 lumens. Do you feel that is strong enough, or should I increase the a percentage? Next setting is 40%, which would be 2,200 lumens. I’ve tried finding this info online & haven’t been successful. I’m new to vegetable gardening & appreciate the work you’ve put in making videos!
Raise to max lumens. I am not familiar with adjustable but the need brightness of 5000 lumens or more.
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do you have a video on how you show us how to Install the grow light and what you use to hang them with
No directly but they come with chains.
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Good video , i have Argabrite T5 4 ft 4 tube grow lights it said this light are up to 20000 lumens, so what the distance for seedlings without burning the seedlings thanks.
Much higher. But I dont know.
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Hello, I have two grow lights 5000 lumens led each above my seedlings. I currently have Broccoli seedlings started and am keeping the lights right above the them at around 2 inches. My soil temps are staying in the low 80s and high 70s. I'm trying to figure out how to keep the light close but lower the soil temps. I guess my question would be could the Lights be raising the soil temps? Should I move the lights up or would that create leggy seedlings? They germinated on a heat mat but were taken off as soon as they started. thanks
Lights raise the temp. So just raise the lights on the brassicas after the germinate and have been growing for about 10 days.
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Thank you Gary for all you instructions. What about florescent light? They are hot compared to led. Please let me know how close I should put them. I just planted my seedlings. 1/27/24 Thank you again!
LED is better but I used them for like 10 years before LEDs become cheaper. Florescent lights should be a little closer.
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question about yellowing leaves on seedlings. How do I know if the issue is lights being to low or is it the first set of leaves yellowing as the true leaves grow?
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In my experience(I grow peppers), when the first set of true leaves set, the cotyledon leaves start to yellow and sag. When it's time to up pot the seedlings to a larger container, I'll prune the cotyledons. Hope this helps.
Thanks Gary. Is it harmful to not adjust the hours of lights after a few weeks of growth? I have all the lights on the same timer.
Nope. Just an option
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My T5 flourecents would cook the seedlings that close.....can't be closer than 5 inches
It varies for sure
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I have a seed starting tray that has a dome on top for humidity and it's well over 3-4" above the tray. It's from park seed. Should I use something else on top? Thank you
I never use domes.
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After germination, how much longer do tomatoes & peppers need to be under the grow lights?
Thank you for your info. I have LED gow lights with red and blue light. What should the distance be?
That I dont know as each light system might vary.
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I'm using the 2' and 4' Barrina T8 5000k full spectrum grow lights to start all my seedling and i was wondering how far apart i should space my light fixtures? Is it always beneficiail to use the reflectors to help concentrate the light downward?
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I hang 2 lights under the shelves in the videos. Might be 8-12 inches between them. They are just hung to provide generally equal coverage.
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I put my LED grow lights as close as possible to the new sprouts.
That works for sure. Better to start to close and adjust.
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Looks like my cabbage starts are leggy. Do I need to start over?
If it is bad, I would
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Do you use a plastic dome on the top?
Hi Gary. Is the same true for LED grow lights? Do they also need to be down just a couple of inches above the seedlings. I'm seeing conflicting info on this - some say you only need them that low if you're using shop lights with florescent bulbs, but LED grow lights can be kept up higher. Any insights? thanks
Well they can be higher than fluorescent lights. But 3000 Lumens to 10000 lumens is very different. I recommend starting 2-3 inches and if there is damage, raise the lights to 4-6 inches. You wont really know till you try. The first 1 week after germination is the most important for lights to be close and you could raise them up as the true leaves are showing up.
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I'm using the Barrina 4' T8 LED grow lights that are 5000 lumins and 5000K. I'm using a metal shelving unit as my growing station and the shelves are 18" inches wide. Would you use three lights per shelf, or could i get away with just using two lights per shelf?
I use 2 receptacles with 2 bands of light in each one. I would go with 3 bands of lights minimum
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Do you have any idea if orchid seedling can grow in this height of grow light?
I have 2800 lumens how close should I place my plants their still underground but I can see tiny leaves popping up.
It varies but closer less than 3 inches.
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Once the plants get to 4 to 5 inches; what is the next step (spacing) after that?
It varies. But you can raise the lights and you can move them to a window depending on the variety.
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My light is an Agromax RAW 130w LED panel. 23,140 lumen output. Is it linear? If you say 3k-5k lumens should I increase the distance by 4-5x?
You have a high end system. Mine are basic shop lights. I would check with the maker for suggestions.
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New gardener and I have some confusion. Do you immediately put the seeds under the lights after planting (before germination) or do you let them germinate in the dark first then when they start to show, put them under the lights? Thank you,
Always start with lights on or turn them in 2 days. Nothing germinates in 2 days. You want them to germinate into lights being on.
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Do I leave my grow light on 24 7 until they sprout?
Does it matter the light or any light in using 3500k led grow light with the red and white led
They work, I just dont use them so can speak about them.
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I have 6000lm and 6500k what do you recommend. Im just learning and want to start soon
What starting mix do you use..when should I start fertilizing my seedlings..what is the best fertilizer for seedlings
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I just bought a led light fixture 4’ long with 4 lights, with 10000 Lumen at Harbor Freight. My question is, is this too strong?
It is to put it 2 inches above plants but start off higher and adjust. Thats all you need to do for more intense lights.
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I got 3xvsfd4500 in a 4x8 grow tent, how far and what % would you recommend for starting seeds?
I got it at 12 inches and 25%, probably not enough ?
So I only really know the grow light distance for my set up. Specialized lights, you have to check with them. Sorry.
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I’m starting my seed with a full spectrum grow light. Should i still have them be about 2 inches away?
It varies on the lighting set. Sorry. Start with 4 inches and adjust.
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Hi Gary, maybe it’s just me but for some reason I can’t find in your videos the length of time the lights need to be on my tray before germination. Can you please help me with this question, thank you so much!
It varies but TH-cam search for videos is lame. Seed starts I like 16 hours on until they get a week or 2 of growth and then you can reduce it.
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Once they get leggy like that can they be salvaged if they start getting good light?
Depends on how bad and the variety but they struggle for a good amount of time. Best to start over often.
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Do I leave my grow light on my seeds until they sprout 24 7?
Do you turn on grow light in morning till dark, or do you turn on at night/evening till morning? I only have one 2 ft grow light, so can I just raise light after plants get a Lil taller, since I only have 1 growlight? This will be my 1st time using a growlight. Thanks
They are on a timer morning through evening.
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So we put the grow light after sprouted or keep it there after you planted in the seed starter mix? Sorry if this is a stupid question but this is my 1st year using.
As soon as you plant the seed. They need the light sprout
From the start
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I heard as they start to appear above the soil is when they need the light, the heat mat under the tray is supposed to be the essential tool to help germinate the seeds
What if you use 2000 LM? how far from seeds?
Thanks for the video. I’ve read having the light too close to your plants can cause them to grow leggy (the extra heat) instead of the lack of direct light. How can you tell which is causing leggy seedlings?
Well cool crops can get leggy if their roots are too warm, just from fast growth. But these are cool crops and you can see how they turned out. I wouldnt actually worry about that. Its the warmth of the house too so its hard to regulate.
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My set up is two shop lights per shelf. Each light is 5200 kelvin with 10,000 lumen. I have followed all your seed starting videos and everything starts good, but then stops growing. I have them on 12 hours a day. Humidity under lights is very low, around 10%. Temp can get around 85° directly under lights. I know lumen is much higher than anything you use, but do you have a recommendation of how close the lights should be?
Try moving your lights back. I dont know what you have them at but its worth and experiment. Your lights are double mine. I would also increase water soluble nitrogen and see if you notice anything. If you move the lights back... give them 14 hours on.
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Are peppers unique? I put my LED shoplights close, and now all my jalapeno peppers have shriveled cotyledons leaves.
It can happen as you get use to different lights. Double the distance and take notes.
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I wish I had seen this before I started my seeds. My broccoli is leggy, can i move the lights down and save them or is it too late and I need to start over?
Indoors they get leggy from lack of light and warmth. Certainly move the light down but the warm home temp sometimes makes them grow too fast.
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My light meter only works in Lux not lumens I have 12 LED bulbs in a 4ft square and each bulb is rated at 3500 lumens so I have 42,000 lumens in a 4 FT square. My meter reads 27,000 lux 4" under the lights. Sunshine is about 120,000 Lux. Is this a good amount of light?
I dont know. I just use white LED stoplights and go by the lumens rating. Sorry.
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Once the seeds start growing, how many days/weeks do you begin to fertilize them?
Generally 10-14 days after germination
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@@THERUSTEDGARDEN Great. Thank you very much. I started to plant some kale, celery and onions.
What are you using the aluminum foil for on the shelf?
it is not needed but it reflects some light back and keeps in some warmth.
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Quick question: Do you forego putting on a humidity dome over your tray while you wait for your seeds to germinate? I ask because it seems that in order to have the lights so close, there wouldn't be room for a humidity dome. Thanks again for the really helpful video!
I dont use the humidity dome. I havent for nearly 20 years. I found they cause more mold and fungal issues. You want the surface to dry. Unless watering and checking on them are an issue, a dome is not needed.
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@@THERUSTEDGARDEN This is really helpful to know about the humidity dome issues.
What type of liquid fertilizer should I use now that they have rooted?
I use fish emulsion but any works. FE smells bad.
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Hey Gary. This might be a stupid question but... while looking around for parts and lights for my first growing station I had trouble finding a good selection of LED tubes in The Netherlands and I wondered; does adding 2x 2500k-lumen/4k tubes make a combined 5k-lumen and 8k light source or do they individually have to be the right specs? Much appreciated and keep making these informative videos.
They dont add that way as the are next to each other. But 2 lights of that measure is better than 1. Its just not purely additive. I used those ratings in the past and they can work. Just keep the light closer to the plants
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Yes two 2,500 lumen lights will add up to 5,000 lumens. I think the confusion comes with the statement of needing 5,000 lumens without relating it to the coverage area. Gary’s light is 5,000 lumens and covers approximately 4 square feet of growing area, which would equate to 1,250 lumens per square foot. If the configuration of your lights provide that, then yes you’ll have the same light intensity as Gary’s setup.