I really appreciate Jamey's push back to Zachary at around minute 36. While Zachary's response was beautiful, it undermined the importance of focusing on structural issues and outcomes like Jamey was trying to get him to consider. Still a beautiful episode but this podcast is such a reminder that love is in debate.
I love how Liz is always reflecting and being open and honest about things that would be easier not to say. Like talking about the emotional responsibility and labor of women.
"We are all broken. That's how the Light gets in." This is one of my favorite phrases because it focuses on the beauty of being "broken". But it's from our hurt and our trauma that we are best able to connect with others; it strips us of the ego, or more natural, human tendencies and pushes us to a place of compassion, a place we don't always go when left to our own. Thank you for being willing to address so many crucial topics we are all struggling to muddle our way through! *This phrase has evolved from a combination of quotes/lyrics and is most often attributed to Ernest Hemingway.
Love Zachary Levi. Everyone should get his audio version of his autobiography. It's like a very good buddy talking to you. Zachary has a great knack of storytelling by showing the weakness of his past mistakes and past trauma. You really learn about what vulnerability is by hearing Zachary narrate his story.
Love Zachary Levi so much. His vulnerability demonstrates his security which is inspiring to me as someone who struggles with being insecure. He is such a role model.
I appreciate Zachary showing up with his heart on his sleeve, in transparency and vulnerability. He brought witness to the processes of healing I've been metabolizing and going through. But, to what Jamey alluded to and Liz spoke to.....it reminded me of Neely Fuller Jr.'s definition of Justice: "1. Guaranteeing that no person is mistreated. 2. Guaranteeing that the person that needs help the most gets the most help."
I think hearing about his trauma and how it affected him later in life is really helpful for those that also need to process their trauma or recognize how it still affects them as adults.
As regards to a previous comment about credibility, authenticity and vulnerability. I would love to see these roles switched and mixed. Seeing women be authentic and vulnerable is somehow still unusual and often stigmatized. I think the point Liz raised about the importance of men holding space for others (especially women and minorities) is extremely important. Because it is one thing to be aware of your struggles and mental health, but it is another to hold space for someone else to heal. And I think that is the work of emotional labor or "emotional responsibility", as Liz politely put it, which has been for centuries been "on" women to take care of, quietly and by default. And that has required them to always prioritize others' well-being over their own. Men taking responsibility for their healing definitely helps, but it doesn't take into account the habits and systems in place that still disregard the needs of women, AND the struggle and trauma that women have had to experience because of it, AND THEIR ability to UNLEARN the roles and expectations that have been set on them since they were little. Holding space for that means not only unburdening women from being responsibile for others' (men, family) well-being, but ALSO ALLOWING them to BREAK DOWN. And by allowing I don't mean give permission, but to hold space. To hold up the fort, when women are down. To offer support on their healing journey, where they can grieve, heal wounds, feel lost, make mistakes, be vulnerable and feel weak. Women can do that for each other already. But society can't yet. And since the societal systems have been built patriarchal, it is the men's responsibility to start changing THOSE patterns as well. Yes, start with your healing, but then back the f up and let women be weak and in their brokenness without judgement, but with kindness and understanding. I think that is where the inequality lies. And that is where our strength will grow from as a society. Thank yoi for reading through. And thank you for the podcast. ♥️
I can appreciate what Zach’s saying and what he believes in as an end goal, but I think he brushed off what Liz was trying to say - to get to this next level of humanity you can’t just expect everyone to be treated equal as if everyone’s currently at the same level. There’s accountability and imbalance that needs to be acted on before it’s fair to truly drive for a flattened state of equality.
Zach is absolutely right. My husband is a DV counselor for offenders. Getting those guys to see who they are BUT ALSO what they *CAN* be is huge. These guys are broken. They are hurt people who hurt people. And healing their hurt is how to stop them from hurting others.
I just love Zachary Levi's manhood! He's mature as a kid ( children are the top of maturity in life, always willing to learn and grow and forgive) but he is a man as a man should be. Like a good "coffee latte", strong spresso and a good smooth milk.
Zach was great. Wonderful message. The hosts clearly had an agenda and kept trying to twist the conversation in the direction if their agenda instead of being in the moment with him.
Wow…my God….it was so powerful, touching and full of hope at the same time…What Zachary shared and how he shared it soothed and healed some wounds in my heart… Thank you for that…. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for WHAT you do... with deep respect to you 🙏❤️
Incredible episode guys! The vulnerability that is continually shared between guests and hosts on all episodes keeps me coming back I listen every week and hope you continue the brave work you are doing for many seasons to come! The world needs more content like y’all provide.
Zack is a fantastic guest who have reminded us that in order to heal people, we humanise them first and love them from where they are at so they can evolve into a better human being which will help decrease the societal issues that plagued us all but there’s one question that remained unanswered from Liz who have pointed out that he has received a lot of help from women especially his sister who went through the steps to get him the help and the house mom who was responsible in ensuring he gets to his appointments when the men in his life haven’t done that for him , while love is a wonderful answer, however I think love alone doesn’t fully address the issues and we all need the direct action to address them with love. We can start acknowledging there’s a inequality in the emotional responsibility between men and women, create a safe space for men to be emotionally vulnerable with each other and help each other taking steps to improve each other which will in turn ease women’s unfair emotional responsibility to these men. I’d love to see more men do emotional labour for each other. I really appreciate how open Zackary was and explained how everything we’ve grown up with can still leave trauma in us and that shows up in every form of relationships especially romantic relationships and I like what he said about how mental health can come for us all, that’s so true. People tend to confuse mental illness with mental health when in fact there’s a good overlap and that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re always exclusive for everyone so take good care of your mental well being will benefit you as well everyone around you. I love how Liz said it’s a emotional responsibility instead of burden, calling it a burden seems awful as if it’s something we have to do out of obligation and carry the burden around so I appreciate her calling it as a emotional responsibility and it is all of our responsibility because we’re all affecting each other in so many ways.
Love Zachary Levi - from the Chuck days to his Nerd Machine/HQ days at ComicCon. He’s done some cool works with NGOs and has this big fat innocent heart that just wants to fix/hug the world :) At times he didn’t quite know how to address Jamie and Liz’s really important points. And I realised why that may be; I think what we saw was someone who had parental trauma (mostly from his mother) but also had a relatively healthy male support system. Which didn’t encourage a souring opinion on women or toxicity as a response. He still was effected by the upbringing but his response was, love. Maybe he is yet to see other male figures that are harmful and his book, and if he also intentionally addresses men with toxicity, will help - but his environment, maybe, was supportive enough that he didn’t respond by being harmful to other women in his personal/professional lives. 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ Love your works! x
Zachary's transparency and vulnerability helped me to realize that we all are really hurting. Zachary saying Hurt People Hurt People took on more meaning than ever before. Thank you, Zachary, for coming on, Man Enough, and opening yourself for me to see. I got deep meaning from this episode. Man Enough Podcast team, as always, you bring it, and I appreciate it 👍🏾💐🎁💝. Happy New Year to you all.
Why do people always say 'mental health' when they mean 'mental illness'? It's because mental illness is so feared and stigmatized that we can't even bring ourselves to say the word.
Addressing mankind, He says, “Ye are all leaves of one tree and the fruits of one branch.” By this it is meant that the world of humanity is like a tree, the nations or peoples are the different limbs or branches of that tree, and the individual human creatures are as the fruits and blossoms thereof- Baha'i Faith
I may be way off here but it seems as though every time we talk about men’s mental health the conversation shifts to feminism or the oppression of women. While I do believe that there is a time and place for these conversations because they are important and valid it makes parts of this conversation and many others I’ve seen to be strange. We need to stand beside women in their fight because it is a human fight but men’s mental health conversations are better when it stays men’s mental health. Maybe it’s just me though.
I think she was talking about activating the divine feminine within men, specifically meaning for men to be able to share the role of emotional nurturer and space holder because women often feel like they’re the only person in an entire household having to do this job but there isn’t anyone within their household to do that back for them in return. However, given the scope of the interview, I think this is off topic - not because it’s not valid; it truly is, but because this discussion is talking about recalibrating one’s relationship with self and like Zach mentioned, that recalibration isn’t gender specific, and to be able to adequately embody divine feminine is a whole nother step in the process that one needs to have a healed relationship with self to begin with
This was helpful, but it seems like Zach really didn’t want to address the rampant misogyny and institutionalized racism that exists, he almost kind of glossed over it and seems to have a slightly superficial understanding of the topics, which was disappointing but other than that, I can appreciate his vulnerability in telling his story.
@@nitrodelta5580 I can't believe how far he has fallen. It's actually tragic, but he has shown his true colours now and for someone who claims to care about humanity, he sure has no problem throwing us all to the wolves in order to serve his own greed and narcissistic ideals. Just another mid dude who only cares about himself, what else is knew? 🤷♀
I don't think this is what he meant or was his intended message, but the idea that it's the victim's responsibility to heal their abuser is so incredibly toxic. I do agree that we need to help our fellow man with their journey toward full healing, but there are plenty of legitimate times when you should just walk away and not look back. And it's not on you (the victim) to make sure your abuser is healing their pain.
I also want to add that I do wholeheartedly agree that men have been told to not be emotional. I do not agree that it's acceptable for women to be emotional. I'd argue that it's expected but not necessarily accepted. The "hysterical woman" is usually what comes to mind when people think of an emotional woman. And there is still plenty of criticism and stigmatization against that.
Zachary’s inability to take accountability for the way that men oppress women and then arguing back what is an answer to a different question is quite frankly deeply upsetting to me. I agree wholeheartedly that addressing issues at the source is an effective way to create meaningful change but that doesn’t mean that the perpetrators of violence, hate and prejudice shouldn’t be held accountable or that men generally can’t do more to help those that are in an underprivileged situation due to the actions, not just historically but every day throughout society. It’s happening NOW and his outright refusal to create intentions to support and acknowledge the efforts of the women in his life is another indication of his naivety towards his inherent privilege by being lucky enough to be born a white male.
Let's stop blaming men, belittling men, for what risks are inherent to women being pregnant. However empathetic and supportive men can be with pregnant women, there are risks that have nothing to do with masculinity. Human behavior, not just masculine, has to be addressed. For what patterned behavior anyone identifies as needing to be corrected in men, you'll find the same to be true with women IF you want to address human behavior.
Always race.... had to turn it off after that. He was talking mental health for humans. Just a broken record at this point. To bad. Great talk until then. Oh well.
I really appreciate Jamey's push back to Zachary at around minute 36. While Zachary's response was beautiful, it undermined the importance of focusing on structural issues and outcomes like Jamey was trying to get him to consider. Still a beautiful episode but this podcast is such a reminder that love is in debate.
I love how Liz is always reflecting and being open and honest about things that would be easier not to say.
Like talking about the emotional responsibility and labor of women.
"We are all broken. That's how the Light gets in." This is one of my favorite phrases because it focuses on the beauty of being "broken". But it's from our hurt and our trauma that we are best able to connect with others; it strips us of the ego, or more natural, human tendencies and pushes us to a place of compassion, a place we don't always go when left to our own. Thank you for being willing to address so many crucial topics we are all struggling to muddle our way through!
*This phrase has evolved from a combination of quotes/lyrics and is most often attributed to Ernest Hemingway.
Love Zachary Levi. Everyone should get his audio version of his autobiography. It's like a very good buddy talking to you. Zachary has a great knack of storytelling by showing the weakness of his past mistakes and past trauma. You really learn about what vulnerability is by hearing Zachary narrate his story.
Great recommendation.
Love Zachary Levi so much. His vulnerability demonstrates his security which is inspiring to me as someone who struggles with being insecure. He is such a role model.
We agree!
Zach, if you are reading this, just know that we all here love you.
So kind of you
I appreciate Zachary showing up with his heart on his sleeve, in transparency and vulnerability. He brought witness to the processes of healing I've been metabolizing and going through. But, to what Jamey alluded to and Liz spoke to.....it reminded me of Neely Fuller Jr.'s definition of Justice: "1. Guaranteeing that no person is mistreated. 2. Guaranteeing that the person that needs help the most gets the most help."
Thank you for sharing.
I think hearing about his trauma and how it affected him later in life is really helpful for those that also need to process their trauma or recognize how it still affects them as adults.
We agree. This is so universal.
So glad Liz brought brought up the inequalities in who gets empathy
I can’t stop finding things I have in common with Zachary Levi
As regards to a previous comment about credibility, authenticity and vulnerability. I would love to see these roles switched and mixed. Seeing women be authentic and vulnerable is somehow still unusual and often stigmatized. I think the point Liz raised about the importance of men holding space for others (especially women and minorities) is extremely important. Because it is one thing to be aware of your struggles and mental health, but it is another to hold space for someone else to heal. And I think that is the work of emotional labor or "emotional responsibility", as Liz politely put it, which has been for centuries been "on" women to take care of, quietly and by default. And that has required them to always prioritize others' well-being over their own. Men taking responsibility for their healing definitely helps, but it doesn't take into account the habits and systems in place that still disregard the needs of women, AND the struggle and trauma that women have had to experience because of it, AND THEIR ability to UNLEARN the roles and expectations that have been set on them since they were little. Holding space for that means not only unburdening women from being responsibile for others' (men, family) well-being, but ALSO ALLOWING them to BREAK DOWN. And by allowing I don't mean give permission, but to hold space. To hold up the fort, when women are down. To offer support on their healing journey, where they can grieve, heal wounds, feel lost, make mistakes, be vulnerable and feel weak. Women can do that for each other already. But society can't yet. And since the societal systems have been built patriarchal, it is the men's responsibility to start changing THOSE patterns as well. Yes, start with your healing, but then back the f up and let women be weak and in their brokenness without judgement, but with kindness and understanding. I think that is where the inequality lies. And that is where our strength will grow from as a society.
Thank yoi for reading through. And thank you for the podcast. ♥️
Radical love = GOD ... love it Zach. Thank you for sharing ... I’m in the process of loving myself at 66 yrs.
I can appreciate what Zach’s saying and what he believes in as an end goal, but I think he brushed off what Liz was trying to say - to get to this next level of humanity you can’t just expect everyone to be treated equal as if everyone’s currently at the same level. There’s accountability and imbalance that needs to be acted on before it’s fair to truly drive for a flattened state of equality.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
So much love for this podcast in general. Zachary has such a big heart. It's amazing to see that in Hollywood.
He really is wonderful!
Zach is absolutely right. My husband is a DV counselor for offenders. Getting those guys to see who they are BUT ALSO what they *CAN* be is huge. These guys are broken. They are hurt people who hurt people. And healing their hurt is how to stop them from hurting others.
Thank you so much for sharing with us
So Happy to see Zachary and know he is in a Better place now!! 🙌🏾👏🏾💜
It's inspiring to hear a journey like this.
Liz = Credibility
Jamey = Authenticity
Justin = Vulnerability
I’m so glad u guys know eachother! I was hoping you guys did!!!!!!
I just love Zachary Levi's manhood! He's mature as a kid ( children are the top of maturity in life, always willing to learn and grow and forgive) but he is a man as a man should be. Like a good "coffee latte", strong spresso and a good smooth milk.
What a dynamic and powerful discussion! Zach, I hear you. It all really is about love. I mean, we live in the endless blessing.
Zach was great. Wonderful message. The hosts clearly had an agenda and kept trying to twist the conversation in the direction if their agenda instead of being in the moment with him.
wow, thanks guys! where there is love nothing is to much trouble and there is always time !!!
Wow…my God….it was so powerful, touching and full of hope at the same time…What Zachary shared and how he shared it soothed and healed some wounds in my heart… Thank you for that…. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for WHAT you do... with deep respect to you 🙏❤️
Thank you for sharing. Sending you love.
Incredible episode guys! The vulnerability that is continually shared between guests and hosts on all episodes keeps me coming back I listen every week and hope you continue the brave work you are doing for many seasons to come! The world needs more content like y’all provide.
Absolutely true !!! I agree !!!!
🔥❤🙏
Thank you, we're so happy our message is reaching you all.
Nice one, Zachary (and everyone).👍
Love yourself : RESPECT
I'm so glad Zachary decided to join the podcast love him in shazam
Zack is a fantastic guest who have reminded us that in order to heal people, we humanise them first and love them from where they are at so they can evolve into a better human being which will help decrease the societal issues that plagued us all but there’s one question that remained unanswered from Liz who have pointed out that he has received a lot of help from women especially his sister who went through the steps to get him the help and the house mom who was responsible in ensuring he gets to his appointments when the men in his life haven’t done that for him , while love is a wonderful answer, however I think love alone doesn’t fully address the issues and we all need the direct action to address them with love. We can start acknowledging there’s a inequality in the emotional responsibility between men and women, create a safe space for men to be emotionally vulnerable with each other and help each other taking steps to improve each other which will in turn ease women’s unfair emotional responsibility to these men. I’d love to see more men do emotional labour for each other.
I really appreciate how open Zackary was and explained how everything we’ve grown up with can still leave trauma in us and that shows up in every form of relationships especially romantic relationships and I like what he said about how mental health can come for us all, that’s so true. People tend to confuse mental illness with mental health when in fact there’s a good overlap and that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re always exclusive for everyone so take good care of your mental well being will benefit you as well everyone around you.
I love how Liz said it’s a emotional responsibility instead of burden, calling it a burden seems awful as if it’s something we have to do out of obligation and carry the burden around so I appreciate her calling it as a emotional responsibility and it is all of our responsibility because we’re all affecting each other in so many ways.
Love Zachary Levi - from the Chuck days to his Nerd Machine/HQ days at ComicCon. He’s done some cool works with NGOs and has this big fat innocent heart that just wants to fix/hug the world :)
At times he didn’t quite know how to address Jamie and Liz’s really important points.
And I realised why that may be; I think what we saw was someone who had parental trauma (mostly from his mother) but also had a relatively healthy male support system.
Which didn’t encourage a souring opinion on women or toxicity as a response.
He still was effected by the upbringing but his response was, love.
Maybe he is yet to see other male figures that are harmful and his book, and if he also intentionally addresses men with toxicity, will help - but his environment, maybe, was supportive enough that he didn’t respond by being harmful to other women in his personal/professional lives.
🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ Love your works! x
Incredible episode. I took away so much.
We love to hear it!
the best! Vulnerability is true strength and stepping stone to healing. Love this podcast!
Love Zac! God bless his heart.
We agree! Thanks for being here.
I love this man
Thank you soon much for this we need this so much
Now love and light and healing to every one who
Is watching this!!
Амин браћо и сестре 🙏🏻
Zachary's transparency and vulnerability helped me to realize that we all are really hurting. Zachary saying Hurt People Hurt People took on more meaning than ever before. Thank you, Zachary, for coming on, Man Enough, and opening yourself for me to see. I got deep meaning from this episode.
Man Enough Podcast team, as always, you bring it, and I appreciate it 👍🏾💐🎁💝. Happy New Year to you all.
Thank you again🔥🙏❤
Thank you for being here
Man needed to hear this.
Your video aesthetic is both imaginative and unique!
Thank you!
Why do people always say 'mental health' when they mean 'mental illness'? It's because mental illness is so feared and stigmatized that we can't even bring ourselves to say the word.
Addressing mankind, He says, “Ye are all leaves of one tree and the fruits of one branch.” By this it is meant that the world of humanity is like a tree, the nations or peoples are the different limbs or branches of that tree, and the individual human creatures are as the fruits and blossoms thereof- Baha'i Faith
I may be way off here but it seems as though every time we talk about men’s mental health the conversation shifts to feminism or the oppression of women. While I do believe that there is a time and place for these conversations because they are important and valid it makes parts of this conversation and many others I’ve seen to be strange. We need to stand beside women in their fight because it is a human fight but men’s mental health conversations are better when it stays men’s mental health. Maybe it’s just me though.
I am not sure what Liz is trying to say here 39:00 with the emotional responsibility etc?
I think she was talking about activating the divine feminine within men, specifically meaning for men to be able to share the role of emotional nurturer and space holder because women often feel like they’re the only person in an entire household having to do this job but there isn’t anyone within their household to do that back for them in return. However, given the scope of the interview, I think this is off topic - not because it’s not valid; it truly is, but because this discussion is talking about recalibrating one’s relationship with self and like Zach mentioned, that recalibration isn’t gender specific, and to be able to adequately embody divine feminine is a whole nother step in the process that one needs to have a healed relationship with self to begin with
This was helpful, but it seems like Zach really didn’t want to address the rampant misogyny and institutionalized racism that exists, he almost kind of glossed over it and seems to have a slightly superficial understanding of the topics, which was disappointing but other than that, I can appreciate his vulnerability in telling his story.
@Kasha O'Basha Oh honey. 🤦🏼♀️
now that hes endorsed trump, your observation makes perfect sense
@@nitrodelta5580 I can't believe how far he has fallen. It's actually tragic, but he has shown his true colours now and for someone who claims to care about humanity, he sure has no problem throwing us all to the wolves in order to serve his own greed and narcissistic ideals. Just another mid dude who only cares about himself, what else is knew? 🤷♀
I don't think this is what he meant or was his intended message, but the idea that it's the victim's responsibility to heal their abuser is so incredibly toxic. I do agree that we need to help our fellow man with their journey toward full healing, but there are plenty of legitimate times when you should just walk away and not look back. And it's not on you (the victim) to make sure your abuser is healing their pain.
I also want to add that I do wholeheartedly agree that men have been told to not be emotional. I do not agree that it's acceptable for women to be emotional. I'd argue that it's expected but not necessarily accepted. The "hysterical woman" is usually what comes to mind when people think of an emotional woman. And there is still plenty of criticism and stigmatization against that.
Zachary’s inability to take accountability for the way that men oppress women and then arguing back what is an answer to a different question is quite frankly deeply upsetting to me.
I agree wholeheartedly that addressing issues at the source is an effective way to create meaningful change but that doesn’t mean that the perpetrators of violence, hate and prejudice shouldn’t be held accountable or that men generally can’t do more to help those that are in an underprivileged situation due to the actions, not just historically but every day throughout society. It’s happening NOW and his outright refusal to create intentions to support and acknowledge the efforts of the women in his life is another indication of his naivety towards his inherent privilege by being lucky enough to be born a white male.
merging of christianity and eckhardt tolle
Let's stop blaming men, belittling men, for what risks are inherent to women being pregnant.
However empathetic and supportive men can be with pregnant women, there are risks that have nothing to do with masculinity.
Human behavior, not just masculine, has to be addressed. For what patterned behavior anyone identifies as needing to be corrected in men, you'll find the same to be true with women IF you want to address human behavior.
31:55
He needs to date Jennifer Aniston
I heard this was “The Build Better Beta Males” network sponsored by Lifetime Television for Women. What a joke 🤡
Always race.... had to turn it off after that. He was talking mental health for humans. Just a broken record at this point. To bad. Great talk until then. Oh well.
such a beautiful discussion.