Captain America Punishes Hank Pym-Giant Man
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I love how he didn’t take the shield because this wasn’t Captain America vs Ant-man this was Steve Rogers vs Hank Pym
Whatif Zombie Captain America Vs Hankpym
Hankpym Betrayal And Steve Kill Hank Because Kill Tony Clint Bruce Strange Thor And Other Except Scottlang Only
@@DaniBoy-md5zxThat's.... Almost English. What are you trying to say?
@@roycebunce9373Indians trying to communicate with humans
"What if Steve Rogers joined the Marines instead of the Army?"
"You'd get Ultimate Captain America."
Accurate.
He’d be tougher, but with crayons up his nose
Love how Captain America was using the environment to his advantage, they don't call him the greatest tactician the Avengers ever had for nothing.
Yes! The environment should always play a factor in any fight!
He is just a bad soldier on Super steroids haha
@@relax-cg4gv Said no one ever.
@@relax-cg4gv no one has ever said sum so dumb way to ruin a vibe
@@whorxn lmao what vibe 😂
I love Ultimate Cap. Deep down he's got a heart of gold, and I would've loved to see him finish training Ultimate Pete. He's an absolute monster compared to his mainline counterpart, too.
He was a complete dick to Peter and hated on him from the jump 🤦🏾 blamed his death on himself when he could of helped him
@@zman3434he just wanted peter to be safe. that's why his training was harsh because peter parker in this universe is a kid and after peters death he blame himself to the extent that he don't want miles to take the mantle of spiderman cus he does not want to it to happen again.
Ignoring the Mutant racism part
Aunt May had every right to slap the heck out of Steve for the way the latter treated her nephew. Rogers made a judgment call on Peter before he ever got a chance to know him as a person. Steve completely lost perspective and forgot who he was as a person and as an Ultimate. Peter Parker was 50 times the hero Cap ever was in that universe.
Because the original Ultimate Marvel comics were my entry into reading Marvel’s books I had a very low opinion on Cap as a result. Fortunately the classic 616 books and the MCU helped me see Steve in a better way, or rather what he should be as opposed to his Ultimate version.
That being said, Hank had this beat down coming to him.
the crazy part is u can tell steve was just barley holding himself back when he was telling hank to grow cause then there is less of a chance of him dying from a full powered punch if hes large
Kratos: I slaughtered Kronos with the Blade of Olympus.
Captain America: I kicked Giant-Man's ass with my own two DAMN hands.
As if Antman is anywhere comparable to Kronos, when he is depressed, drunk and naked.
Don't fuck with Captain America.
You knew it was ending one way when you saw him pissed off and quiet, hearing about how Hank Pym was beating his girl
“I hate bullies. I don’t care where they come from.”
say what you want about ultimate cap but hank had it coming for how he treated janet.
@Meta Man 10 tons is exaggeration , maybe 3 to 4 tons at max.
I liked Ultimate Cap. Way more powerful and way more soldier than 616 Cap. Glad they patterned the MCU Cap more after this guy.
@@frozenkilt " Way more powerful and way more soldier than 616 Cap"
That's an exaggeration if you've actually read the comics.
And MCU Cap's moral stance is more like the 616. He is barely like the Ultimate Cap unless you want to take ambiguous PTSD and his suits' design. Overall, he is more like the 616-version. If he was like Ultimate Cap, he would send anybody who defies him flying and most stories in the MCU would be different.
@Meta Man ultimate captain América is super human, he can lift 10 ton not 2 ton anymore
@@trx_12 ultimate captain América can lift 10 ton believe or not, he is super human hero.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_America_(Ultimate_Marvel)
Fun fact Caps Irish and his mom got slapped around by his dad
No wonder he did what he did to Pym
This Captain America is entirely American.
The Captain America you are talking about is 616-Cap and this Cap ain't him.
@@perce1veALL He's a Native American? Cool....
@@perce1veALL ayo nigga... Guess where caucasian americans come from? European countries like ireland 🇮🇪
@@lonewanderer1328
What, caucasians didn't just spring up from the ground in 1565? They actually came from somewhere before? Wild.
@@perce1veALL He meant Irish-American dude. Calm yourself down
This was a very accurate depiction of real life domestic abuse. the abuser tries to justify and/or excuse his actions and often the victim still wants to work things out with her abuser, not realizing or admitting the abuser will never change.
EDIT:* I should have said *their abuser. Abuse is not limited or defined by gender and anyone in a relationship can abuse the person they are in a relationship with.
_*their_ abuser.
@@jamainegardner4193 Yes. Thank you for correcting me.
Isn't that similar to Stockholm syndrome.
@@pacifistattack thank you for being wise.
Mr. Rodgers beat that man like he stole something 😂😂😂
He entered the wrong neighbourhood.
He stole Janet's dignity.
I love Fury’s reaction when he first hears that is Cap going to “arrest” Pym.
This was my favorite scene in all the Ultimates, I remember first reading it and it was magnificent. Ultimates was so damn good! Then everyone became a vampire and I was like weeelp I’m done.
What
@@prozitaitir7356 there was a stupid arc were Vampires rose up out of nowhere and fought the Ultimates.
Ultimates was bad they ruined all the characters especially hulk and Captain America and maybe even thor
@@theincrediblehulk5797 I was fine with it for the first three volumes because it was an alternate take. Though Thor was kinda wonky, like is he magical or not come on!
@@Eldagusto yessss Thor is so powerful in the ultimate universe I like that
It is also interesting that she suffered beatings from Pym because she was a mutant. She sometimes laid eggs, decreased and hunted for Caterpillars. She tolerated him in the first place, because she believed that no one else would accept her for who she is. And it's also funny that they developed this plot of the classic Pim the Wife Beater.
616 Hank Pym would be disgusted with his Ultimate counterpart, as he would see him as no better than Ultron. Ultron and Ultimate Hank Pym are dark counterparts in the sense of that they embody everything Hank hates about himself.
@@jorgebersabe293 And if EMH Hank were to see just how cruel and abusive this version of him was towards this Janet. He would be flat out horrified at the Ultimate version of himself. That version of Hank would rather kill himself then to even think, of laying a single finger on Janet.
@@ashtonchane6126 616 Hank would definitely kill Ultimate Hank. After all, Ultimate Hank is basically Ultron if he was a human.
I really appreciate the realism of this situation. Something sadly very common is happening to the Avengers. Honestly I am glad Steve did what he did. Old school beat down. Janet telling Steve he made a fool of himself while she's been taking beatings from Hank for years. There is a fool here but sure is not Steve. These people are supposed to be protecting the planet and this stuff is happening behind closed doors? Not the best example of stable team mates.
Steve did make a fool of himself. He basically got in between them because he himself liked Janet. He did not do it because it was the right thing to do, he did it because he wanted to be Janet's white knight.
@@HulkVahkiin Steve got in between them because the abuse got so bad other intervention was required. Janet was giving Hank a pass because she grew accustomed to being the victim. Fury gave him a pass because he needed Giant Man. Hank said he was ashamed, on anti depressants, and so on and so on. He had been hitting her since college and no one stepped in because of crap like it isn't my business. White Night or not an abusive bully was finally taught a lesson. I'm confident Steve would do it again too. Frankly I could care less about Janet's opinion. No your right I'm supposed to wait till he finally kill or cripples you for action to be taken? Bullshit
@@HulkVahkiin - So from your logic letting Hank go on beating his wife with no consequences is not being a fool? Hmmm...
And no, it was more the principle of not beating women is why Cap did it. If he saw some guy hitting his wife on the street he would probably deck a stranger a few times too. He only went as far as he did her becasue this was more personal as he knew Janet and Hank well (and Hank should be better... and even when confronted he makes excuses as if he is the victim, basically this Hank Pym is a sad pathetic women beating loser).
@@PartStupid Og cap always fight bullies he dont bully them back
@@uvindukulathunga3860 - What? At what point does it leave the realm of justice and become bullying the bully? You are splitting hairs and not in a good way.
IMO Cap is punishing the bully once to get them to stop. If Cap were to come back each day and hit the bully then yes he would be bullying them too but if he just beats them once to stop their lifetime of beating on others that is called JUSTICE.
I loved it !!! Cap bulling the bully... Just like real life you can't come between a couple or they'll both turn on you... Still Hank deserved that ass whipping...
I think it's more like she's glad Hank got beat but feels more ashamed she wasn't the one who stood up for herself. Hank made her feel vulnerable, and Cap saving her didn't make those feelings go away. She doesn't hate him at least - just isn't very comfortable talking with him.
What I got out of it was she wanted Cap to stay in his lane and she still loves Hank... But I the back of Captain America's head he probably always thought, "I can take Hank no matter how big he grows" !!! Lol
But its wrong buy 616 caps standereds right
He doesng bully the buliies he save the one who is bullied and try to make the bully a better person
He ENJOYED giving Hank that ass whipping....
Steve knows what we know: that Hank will be protected and kept from any meaningful punishment. He cannot abide that.
Captain America is so Badass here
Damned if ya do, damned if ya don’t, Cap.😬
Hank deserved that. Sometimes that is exactly what someone like that needs. Hank is playing the victim while being the actual abuser, he needed some of his own medicine. Cap's the man.
I mean, honestly yeah. It could change his perspective really knowing what it's like to be that scared, that helpless.
my thoughts exactly. I guess all the knights in shining armor are supposed to let women be abused. pathetic.
@@levichavez5319 Ultimate Steve should've been like, "I don't need your permission or approval to take out the trash. Yours or Fury's."
How is Hank playing victim?
@@dranixrush3306 - Did you not watch the video? He makes excuses for what he has done, that is playing the victim and not taking responsibility for your actions. You do not get to say "I had it rough so the terrible things I do are okay because I had it rough", that is the mentality of a child and it is playing the victim to avoid responsibility and consequence.
Just another casual Tuesday where Steve Rogers roots from.
this is the Ultimate universe, isn't it? Cap must be in class 100 in this universe, to beat and humiliated Hank, when he was at same size as building.
The ultimate universe pretty much revolves around cap and how badass and important he is from what i’ve seen.
I though Ultimate Cap died saving Spider-Man's life.
@@HepCatJack Other way around. Punisher goes to shot Cap, Spider-Man takes the bullet for Cap. With the bullet wound, he had to later fight the Sinister Six which caused his death.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 Yep, he is basically a Captain America used at his full potential.
Well Hank was drunk, so his reaction time was probably comparible to a sloth
Steve bullied a lot before so of course he would hate bullies and wants to punish Hank.
Steve WAS bullied or Steve GOT bullied, anyway I guess you forgot the verb and it appears like the exact contrary (that he bullied someone else^^).
I can't believe Steve is a Bully...
The movies really got him wrong...
Captain America is the ultimate hero, the hero that makes you proud that he stands for the Red, White & Blue... proud to be an American!
This why you stay on captain America good side specially in the ultimate universe
Anyone else getting a Kratos/God of War vibe from this? 👀
Also getting an Attack on Titan vibe at 5:50 💀
Human-sized guy beating the snot out of a giant 😎❤
Honestly the most underrated character in all of Marvel.
Never EVER mess with the Captain.
I remember this universe, it's the one where Hulk got blue balls and started raging through New York I remember!
5:50 That looks like some Attack on Titan shit.
Exactly was I was thinking too
Wait, did Erwin Smith grew back his arm and increased his muscle mass just to beat a titan barehanded?
Yeah lmao
It looks horrifying
I love cap dude..A real beast..And the true meaning of chivalry.
I'm on Antidepressants, Stress, They were asking for it.
Always such excuses abuses uses to gain pity when if they were given the chance they would do it over again
Well if you look at how the beating happened Jane physically injured Hank first after he had apologized, that isnt a good wife is it? If you look at how the beating first began you can see why it happened in the first place
And this is why captain America is a badass.
Ah yes, the ugliest version of the problematic abuse of Hank Pym and his wife. I distinctly remember there was a weird love triangle formed from Steve sleeping with the Wasp and at one point, Hank used bug spray on her when she tried to hide. But that happened before this point, when Hank went way off the deep end... honestly not the worst thing he's done in comics given the mainstream version of him made *Ultron*
Ultimate Hank Pym is Ultron if he was a human instead of a robot. He has all of Pym's flaws: Mental instability, misantrophy....sans his redeeming qualities.
Ok Hank Pym was a jerk and deserved those hits, but Cap could've at least arrested him and taken the fight somewhere else. I mean at least he did it in a construction area.
He has S.H.I.E.L.D. to take care of collateral damage. Of course, he did not care.
Well He did bulldoze Pym's Face, so the place was poetic justice 🤷🏿♂️
Captain America isn't Thor. He is not going to cause too much damage.
"taken the fight somewhere else" it's exactly what he did... The first thing he did was to GRAB his face to make him fall on the construction area, it's very clear that it wasn't by coincidence, since the timing, action and zone (beginning of the fight, grab instead of hitting, land to a zone without civilians).
Poor cap, so what if its not 1945 cap was just trying to be a supportive friend in his own way. Cap is cool.
Excellent fight !! Comics used to be written like this in the old days like the 80's and 90's.
Not like this!
This was done at the beginning of 2000, when Mark Millar raised the bars of violence!
I learned how to make a landmine out of a shotgun shell in a Punisher I read in the '8os.
I don't care if what Steve did was right or wrong, all I know is that I smiled every second of seeing him beat Hank up😈😈😈
Steve did nothing wrong.
Hank would have been protected from any meaningful punishment due to his mind and powers.
Janet is an abuse victim who has developed whatever complex makes people like her excuse their abuser.
Thank God for Scott Lang!
He is a bad character compared to Hank Pym.
@@darky1595 alright but hank was a woman beater since he was yellow jacket in the original universe
@@user-kz3jt8qv5l Pretty sure that's not true and that was an error from the artist making it look like an intentional hit when it was an accidental one, but you should check just in case
@@JP-kp6xv Do you think mcu fanboys research about it?
@@josearnaldoleitedossantos3435 Sadly no, I don't
It’s not 1945 anymore? That’s right Janet, it’s 2021. We don’t punish the people who hurt us most, we elect them to office.
I didn’t know Cap was THIS badass.
Cap is Marvel's equivalent of Batman with h-t-h combat, and he's superhuman as well. Very very much within his capabilities to beat the crap out of Pym, even as giant man
My favorite Ultimate moment. Wish this happened in the mainstream universe too.
This is what all domestic abusers deserve. It's a shame we only get to see justice in comic books sometimes
I always forget how messed up the Ultimate Universe was.
It was great imho
Hank hit Janet once iirc in an old comic and it's basically labled him as a domestic abuser (by hit I mean flung his arm to get her away and she qas socked in the mouth by his Forearm on accident.) I think in the 90s they took that and ran with it and it's been pretty much his own character trait since
@@obsidianfrost9514 and I hate it, it just shows how hypocritical and bias writers and fans are. How many horrible things do the avengers do? It's crazy.
“You’re spending the next 3 months in traction Mister” broooooooooooo
Turns out the secret ingredient to the super soldier serum was respect women juice.
So I don’t really read marvel comics I just want to know
This is ultimatum
And cap did this to hank because he was been abused to his wife right?
Yup
Ultimate Hank defiantly had this coming
Yeah the ultimate universe is just dark
The modern David vs Goliath.
Antman: I'm gonna....
Cap: Hold that thought.
Antman: Oh shit (I done goofed)
Cap: Bitch ass. Now get up from that!
I like the grin on Steve"s face when Hank changed size and punched him through the bar. " I'm going kick your $#@% sunshine. "
And stay down, pym!
Based Captain America.
Yeesh. Paul Rudd could never play this version of Hank Pym... good thing they cast him as Scott Lang instead.
But could Michael Douglas ?
This isn’t even 616 hank
@@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44 - Probably. I mean he played some good villain types like Gordon Gekko.
@@SadikiStGeorgeangemon44 looking at episode 3 of what if it looks like he could defenetly pull off a bad/crazy hank pym
@@darthrevan5976 - Yeah I thought that too after watching that, but I always knew he could do a good villain as he has done some before.
On a side note I loved when he was fighting Foki and he was like "You're pretty spry for an old fella." LMAO.
This is a shameful depiction of Hank Pym, he just hit Jan once in 616 universe, and that was when he was suffering from a mental breakdown, writers have a bad habit of pushing that one panel too badly, I don't know why they hate Hank this much.
This is the Hank from the Ultimate universe.
@@rodolfosanchez3397probably the same thing
Whoever wrote this truly understands real life female nature. You can't help a woman who doesn't want to be helped. Captain America is blue pill for sure.
I love how red pills are either always based on bullshit or try to masquerade common ethics, like in this case "You can't help somebody if they don't want any help", as their own ideas about female nature. It's like a first-grade philosophy student showing off his first essay, and thinking they have something of substance to say, lol.
I don't know if this larping is sad or hilarious, but it's sure as hell something.
@@Thane3999 That’s not what he means; obviously he’d trying to point out the how in situations like this. The abused victim will often displace blame and/or anger onto the person who is helping them. Was the red pill stuff necessary? No; but you can’t deny his point that “victims often don’t want help in these situations” as being first grade philosophy.
If the writer understood female nature so well, then they really missed on male nature completely. It's human nature to want to prevent the harm that is being caused onto the person you care about. Even if it's coming from another person and the choice is either sit on your ass and doing nothing, or taking action. Only an idiot would implant this red pill/blue pill narrative into this comment and try to say Steve is a blue pill. Janet if anything, is a Blue Pill, she was going to take the least amount of action and resistance, to regain her former status quo. Steve acted, knowing that it would alter the future, but he had to act, to prevent any possible future harm happening to someone he cares about. If you look up the definition of red pill, you will see that it fits Steve's instincts to act and perform said actions. Steve comes from a generation where you do not stand idle while evil goes unchecked. If you want to say "You can't help a woman who doesn't want to be helped" than it's also true to say "If women can't see who you are and what is in your heart, they never deserved you in the first place"
@@Saintbow You need to read a few case studies on female aggressor domestic violence relationships and male aggressor of the same thing
Why is this comment section full of essays just say people that stay in abusive relationships have no common sense or are fearful of their lives.
Can we talk about in Credits of Ultimate Avengers movie credits they used the still of Betty revealing to Tony & Steve, Hanks abusive relationship?
Nice. Loved it when I read it. Can you do the Ultimates vs the Chitari? I was hype when Thor wasted their ships.
Capitan américa es la representación de chad, no importa cuando leas esto ni en que version pienses
Hmm....Cap can maybe lift about 700lbs. A man the size of Giant Man should be able to lift much more than that and Cap can only deliver a kick or punch commiserate with his own mass, so a kick from him should be considerable diminished on someone of that size.
Not in this universe, the weak become the strongest and strongest become weak, that’s why wolverine and every strong character dies so easily in this series
Nope, Ultimate Captain America is 20 times stronger than 616 Captain America.
Ultimate Captain America is as strong as Spider-Man
@@chernovbilinski4012 Seriously though, Wolverine has always been weak. All he had was regeneration and an adamantium skeleton. He was saved by his popularity, because all that was always needed to be done to him was to burn his flesh from the skeleton and that was it, he was dead. This is what happened in the ultimate universe. Given magneto's abilities in the original 616 and Ultimate universe, he should have been able to easily kill all the X-Men, especially the wolverine. Ultimatum This was one of the biggest and most important events in the universe. There were plenty of such events in the 616 universe, but there were almost never consequences in it. The world hasn't changed, the characters haven't changed much. Considering what abilities the creatures of the marvel universe have, as a result of their battles, everything there should be covered with corpses, and the world should lie in ruins. By the way, the fact that in the Ultimate universe they die quickly and without show-off makes comics only better for me. Because that's how people die in real life. Well, why couldn't the magneto take control of the iron man armor and cyclone visors and direct it at the enemies? Why couldn't he, having the power to control magnetism, rip the flesh off the wolverine and kill him long ago?
He may be old fashioned in the way he weirdly came on to Jan,
But it was based of steve for beating the shit out of Hank.
Still irks me how they made being a abuser a trademark for Pym.
A cannibal hulk wasn’t enough they had to have ant man do this the ultimate universe is pretty screwed up
Am I the only one who really misses the ultimate universe
Nope. I do too
To a degree, it was nothing but edge and no point.
I totally do, the Avengers really being the top team despite having more flaws (falcon, being an experienced soldier against a young inexperienced but powered mutant, defeats Colossus easily), Thor being taken as a mad man and Cap being actually the most dangerous member (he also gets very close to beat both Hulk and Thor, easily, each time saving the squad), the mutants being the inexperienced peoples they should always be (scared-mutants and losing-mutants are much better than gods-mutants for their stories imho), fantastic four being more on Earth, Galactus not having an human body, an actual death with Peter Parker and the coming of a great substitute in Miles Morales (spiderman works fantastically when he is the younger hero around, unexpressed high potential) and so much more I don't even remember possibly.
The last year things were being changed for the bad unfortunately, in the desperate act to try and solve something before closure possibly, of course they made everything worse and actually made even fans like me decide that the closure was good.
Even captain america simped
The antidepressants comment 😂🤣😂 hes looking like do I like look like I give af
Damn these writers will never let this "wife-beater" persona if hank go will they... This will forever be his oersonality now. Kind of sad.
Caption america gave Hank what he deserved
Great fight! I like how they drew Fury accurate to Jackson, so why wouldn't they do that with cap/Chris Evans? Oh well.
The Ultimate Universe's Nick Fury was based on Jackson before the MCU. The Ultimate Universe's Captain America was not based on Chris Evans. I'm not sure but I think that this comic was written before the MCU as well. Good question though! Have a good day!
Cap vs titan 😂
Wait, did Erwin Smith grew back his arm and increased his muscle mass just to beat a titan barehanded?
In short respect him
The Ultimates Wasp was just as bad their version of Giant Man, Cap should have stayed away from both of them, Giant Man and the Wasp deserve each other!
He should have shrunk down instead.
Amazing vid bro 👍👍👍👍👍
Im to lazy to read it, can someone tell me what hank do? And why captain beat the brat out of him using "im left and right" style
In the Ultimate comics Hank viciously abused his wife Janet, putting her in a hospital bed, Steven went to get payback.
@@Kingsaxxy3872 ohhh
Ant-Man: *accidentally hits Janet once in the 80s comics*
[Everyone will remember that]
Hank is the worst, I'm glad Scott has become the definitive version of Ant Man
This isn’t main universe hank
@@marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514 he's still an abusive insecure psycho in 616
@@BovineDesigns well in the 616 universe he did it under the yellow jacket persona after the chemical spill
@@wallsterrence
The writer explained that it was an accident.
@@darky1595 it was 9 months ago i know this now
Not cool, Hank. Not cool.
Ultimate Cap being a bully for an allegedly good reason, so american that is cringe worthy...
I heard it was heavily criticised but I absolutely loved Marvel Ultimate Universe !! It was so realistic and I think it largely set the tone and idea for the MCU
Do the ultimates betraying thor and taking him down that issue was awesome
I love Cap here, but the writing is always so corny. “Get over here, mister” while you’re in the middle of fighting a giant is just such terrible period-correct writing. Thank god writers are willing to curse these days. “Son of a bitch” would have so much more effect here than “mister”
Hank does give me some titans vibes. Damn me for watching Shingeki no kyojin!
Super hero soap opera?
How can hank transform without his suit
Had writing is my guess.
Im okay with this as long as cap would do this to a women abuser as well.
Ultimatum was sh!t
Pretty sure The Seven is meant to be a parody of super teams like Avengers and Justice League, not a blueprint for imitation by them.
Are you saying the avengers copied the seven in this case or that the seven are based on a blueprint this being the ultimates universe?
umm... so you think this is imitating the Seven? You got it backwards there, chief... The comic this comes from, "The Ultimates", pre-dates "The Boys", where "The Seven" is from, by like 5 years. The original run of the Ultimates is one of most important and influential comic book series ever, and influenced stuff like The Boys, as well as a lot of the modern Marvel movies; since the Ultimates was an attempt to do a modern and realistic version of the Avengers (you're typically not going to see domestic abuse & drug/alcohol abuse in a normal Avengers comic, and Cap isn't going to take someone out back to beat some 1940s morals into them).
Lmao what? Ultimates came before.
Never mind, then
@@lamelama22 the ultimates is not how superhero’s would act, it’s all exaggerated
If you are doing ultimates 1, could you pls upload the final battle of the ultimates vs the chitauri pls?
I hate ultimate fury so much I hate ultimate fury more than I hate ultimate hulk and he ate people for fuvk sake
How the hell did this guy become a superhero again?
Steve or Hank?
Hank is believable, cops have all sorts of skeletons in their private closets IRL.
But Steve just went full cowboy cop on this one. He falsified orders, unnecessarily caused a violent confrontation in an arrest, commited police brutality, escalated the fight to deadly force, caused tens if not hundreds of thousands in property damage, endangered the public, and overall botched the arrest so badly that if Hank is even charged with a crime at all Steve's conduct could ruin any case brought against him.
Hank might've deserved an ass beating, but Steve went about it in the worst way he possibly could.
@@duddude321 He has immunity, the guy is the damn legend. He could burn the world and people would still hold back against him. Ult. Cap basically took advantage of his privileges, nothing out of the ordinary for a man of his caliber. Hank is morally grounded but he is not believable as a superhero at all. Answer this question: Since when does a military operation go as expected and when does it not result in collateral damage?
@@stopthecap6913 That's not the question. The question is "where does beating a compliant suspect until he resists arrest fit into a civil policing operation." If this was counted as a military operation (ignoring the legal limitations on the military's ability to operate domestically because this is Marvel) then the question is "why is Captain America going AWOL and committing warcrimes?"
Nobody might be willing to hold Cap accountable, but after this showing I don't think Cap deserves it. Cap is supposed to be a paragon. He knows people won't always do the right thing, he knows HE won't always do the right thing, but you've got to take responsibility for when you do wrong. The writers completely missed the point of Cap with this fight. Cap knowingly set out to do the wrong thing, and lets people not hold him accountable for it.
@@duddude321 Dude... Do you know who Ultimate Cap is? There's no premise of the writers missing the point with him when he is literally supposed to be the opposite of the original one.
@@stopthecap6913 They missed the point and logic. They made a Cap that apparently can't actually tell right from "I'm doing it" and wrong. And apparently nobody else can either because nobody seems to meaningfully call him out on his bullshit. If he's just so respected that they're willing to let him get away with things they should be aghast at the things he does. If they're afraid of holding him accountable then maybe they shouldn't consider him a hero at all.
I realize the Ultimate universe is meant to be a bit exaggerated, but UltiCap is just silly.
Should've specified Ultimate Cap..
The Captain America from 616 didn't do anything like that in Avengers 200.
What are you talking about? 616-Cap took down a building size Celestial pawn with a kick alone. There's no reason to believe that he could not do this, especially when Hank in that universe is a fodder. imgur.com/h2NMS8n
@@perce1veALL not about his ability. Ms Marvel was kidnapped to Limbo, brainwashed and raped and Captain America did nothing, he let Ms Marvel go back to Limbo with the rapist who brainwashed her.
@@HepCatJack It is because 616-Captain America was wiser and smarter, he was not emotionally driven like Ult. Captain America.
Oh yeah, let's beat the baby up because he retroactively raped his own mother. That matter was much more complex than fighting a wife beater in a bar.
@@perce1veALL not about beating up the guy, he should have prevented her from going with him, since she was brainwashed into falling for him. Cap was brainwashed by the Red Skull in WWII once it was the entire Invaders team and Bucky assembled a new team (Liberty Legion) to capture the Invaders and deprogram them. He should have gone a similar route perhaps consult the people who had deprogrammed him in the past if they were still around, he could have gone to S.H.I.E.L.D, to T'Challa or Professor Xavier for help (Beast could have contacted him). His friend Namor might have been able to help with the advanced tech of Atlantis he would have been glad to help because Ms Marvel had saved his niece Namorita in a recent issue of Ms Marvel. Namor previously saved Atlantis from the control of the serpent crown, he might have had the scientists of Atlantis design a counter against similar attempts in the future. That story was out of character for the Avengers. In Avengers Annual 10 Danvers was rightfully upset at them for not having helped her at all. His actions were neither wise nor smart.
The art in the fight was so bad do you know how long it would take for Captain America to roll out of the way of this guy do we forget that this is a superhero too seems like some discrepancies were overlooked
this is so badly written
This was a stupid story line.
Everyone says that Hank is a bad guy, but he told Janet "Dinner is at 6 Not 6:06 & Not 6:15!"
From the looks of her face, he even told her twice.
😂 stupid shit when cap jumped outta the window giant man could of just ate him right there but ok tear the biulding down i gets cap is fast but giant man is faster just cuz he big don't mean shit the dude can fight hulk smh
Actually at his huge size and wind resistance hes not that fast lol
Actually at his huge size and wind resistance hes not that fast lol
That's the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Go back to being a weeb, trying to be a pretentious intellectual clearly didn't work out here.
I don't remember Giant Man fighting the Hulk at all. All I do remember is that he got his a$$ submitted before he could grasp onto the Hulk. Also, if it were not for Giant Man being in a team, he would have been killed a long time ago by the hands of Ult. Hulk. Your reasoning makes zero sense.
Giant Man here is fighting against a tactical genius with an genetically engineered physiology including a far better mental aptitude, speed and response. It was a believable win. Giant Man is slower than the average human due to his size, not as slow as a slug but compared to someone with advanced reflex like Captain America's, he would be that slow.
Some of you need grow up. It's a comic book. Getting all worked up over comics. geez!!
I think she deserved it