"Attributed" to Haydn? You mean nobody can tell, just from listening to it, whether Haydn wrote it or not? If the work is good enough that you cannot tell who wrote it, it is good enough to be played (and in my case, enjoyed).
Harry Andruschak Well, that's the question. Is the work really "good" or is it just "nice"? Haydns music is much deeper and more interesting, sophisticated.
If this music was listed as "Oboe Concerto by Anonymous" very few would find it to listen to it on TH-cam. Thus the attribution to Haydn. Just playing the devil's advocate. I would not have posted it as by Haydn myself.
The only manuscript of that concerto bears the name of Haydn that was added years after the copy was made. So until another source of that concerto is identified, it will be '"attributed" to Haydn by default. Fortunately so. Otherwise, it would have fallen into oblivion and we would have missed a beautiful concerto.
***** Maybe you could have titled it something like "Oboe Concerto in C Major Attributed to J Haydn" and explained in your description that it was not really composed by Haydn but that the composer is unknown. That would certainly be more accurate.
***** I read somewhere that scholars believe the original composer of this concerto was likely Leopold Kozeluch, I think because the theme in the rondo shows up in another one of his works. Interestingly at one point in time, this concerto was actually believed to be by a young Beethoven.
+John Krol Some time ago, I also read that the work was not likely by Haydn. For example, the long introduction before the first oboe solo in the first movement is unusual for Haydn. Based on the orchestration, the article stated that the work was almost certainly Czech, but this is the first time I have heard of a specific composer suggested.
Too easy to tell that Haydn music is deeper. If your do not knew that the composer is not Haydn, do you will tell that it is "just nice", but not deep? hum hum
+claude fernandez You can easily make a check. Is Haydn using the same harmony over one, two, three and more bars? Or does he have an evolution of melody and harmony all over? That's what makes a music deeper, more interesting, more exciting. Some composer cannot provide such exciting music, because they cannot handle harmonic complexity. The works of these somewhat simpler composers have not been heard through the centuries so often as the more exciting and complex works of, for example, Mozart, Haydn, Bach.
Can you explain if this statement is supported by data or is just an opinion? To me it seems quite in line with Haydn's idea of the 'concerto'. In most of his concertos (trumpet and horn mainly, but also cello), he inclined towards the 'italian' stile. And this concerto looks in that line to me. I may be wrong, but I think the authorship of this concerto has never been at stake.
I'm playing this 😍
+Gabriela Pereira Good for you. You must be a fine player. Best of luck.
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Congratz ! !!!!
Also playing this song :P
me to how old are you
Haydn usted y su oboe me han llevado al cielo...
Apesar da dúvida quanto à autoria, escuto nesse concerto essencialmente o estilo de Haydn.
6:36 love playing this part.
A superb, delightful performance!
end of 2nd movement is used in the movie "Devotion of Suspect X" of Chinese version 嫌疑人x的献身
this piece is probably the easiest original I have ever played (from a viola stand-point)
Shamefully rarely performed in today's concert halls.
"Attributed" to Haydn? You mean nobody can tell, just from listening to it, whether Haydn wrote it or not? If the work is good enough that you cannot tell who wrote it, it is good enough to be played (and in my case, enjoyed).
Harry Andruschak Well, that's the question. Is the work really "good" or is it just "nice"? Haydns music is much deeper and more interesting, sophisticated.
Piekne🎻❤
Spurious. The composer might not be Joseph Haydn. Anyway, a nice concerto.
If this music was listed as "Oboe Concerto by Anonymous" very few would find it to listen to it on TH-cam. Thus the attribution to Haydn. Just playing the devil's advocate. I would not have posted it as by Haydn myself.
The only manuscript of that concerto bears the name of Haydn that was added years after the copy was made. So until another source of that concerto is identified, it will be '"attributed" to Haydn by default. Fortunately so. Otherwise, it would have fallen into oblivion and we would have missed a beautiful concerto.
*****
Maybe you could have titled it something like "Oboe Concerto in C Major Attributed to J Haydn" and explained in your description that it was not really composed by Haydn but that the composer is unknown. That would certainly be more accurate.
***** I read somewhere that scholars believe the original composer of this concerto was likely Leopold Kozeluch, I think because the theme in the rondo shows up in another one of his works. Interestingly at one point in time, this concerto was actually believed to be by a young Beethoven.
+John Krol Some time ago, I also read that the work was not likely by Haydn. For example, the long introduction before the first oboe solo in the first movement is unusual for Haydn. Based on the orchestration, the article stated that the work was almost certainly Czech, but this is the first time I have heard of a specific composer suggested.
Who is painter please?
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graet!!!!!
10:46 Second movement🙃
Too easy to tell that Haydn music is deeper. If your do not knew that the composer is not Haydn, do you will tell that it is "just nice", but not deep? hum hum
+claude fernandez You can easily make a check. Is Haydn using the same harmony over one, two, three and more bars? Or does he have an evolution of melody and harmony all over? That's what makes a music deeper, more interesting, more exciting. Some composer cannot provide such exciting music, because they cannot handle harmonic complexity. The works of these somewhat simpler composers have not been heard through the centuries so often as the more exciting and complex works of, for example, Mozart, Haydn, Bach.
Allegro spiritual
For all those who are like: THIS IS NOT BY HAYDN!!! All I wanna say is...chill...
Why? How are you so sure it is by him?
It's easier to think of it as Haydn rather than some other guy :)
Can you explain if this statement is supported by data or is just an opinion? To me it seems quite in line with Haydn's idea of the 'concerto'. In most of his concertos (trumpet and horn mainly, but also cello), he inclined towards the 'italian' stile. And this concerto looks in that line to me. I may be wrong, but I think the authorship of this concerto has never been at stake.
@@ludhannsebastivanbachthove4987 I agree.
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Lol grat
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