Love how he says during the movie, "we know where all the mistakes will be made for the next 40 years, and we have the power to correct them" what he fails to realize is if you change the past, every event forward changes, and cant be anticipated and a whole new future is created, replete with new mistakes.
True, but since you know every detail of the historical figures, all parties involved, every place and every process and everything planned, any side that fights you is going to be hard pressed to not be on the run for the next ten years at a minimum
thats the theory. not a certainty. another theory is that if you go back in time and change things, then go back into the future again, nothing will be different .... you leaving the past will cause it all to snap back into place like a rubber band, since you cant change what has already happened.
This is probably the greatest time travel movie and it goes completely under the radar in the end of the movie there is a infinite Loop that questions everything. You don't know when it began when it ended or if it's just going to keep going on forever great movie no one knows about it
There is a manga/anime that is similarly base on that but its a japanese destroyer, name of anime/manga is called "zipang" its about a japanese kongo class destroyer was sent back in the battle of midway and their having a fight for their lifetime, the anime plot is similar to the final countdown so they got the idea on that movie
RIP Charles Durning, the actor playing Senator Samuel Chapman. (February 28, 1923 - December 24, 2012) He was a decorated WW2 vet & he was in first wave of infantry landing on Omaha beach during D-Day. He was the ONLY survivor of his unit that day. Just nine days after D-Day he severely wounded by a German anti-personnel mine, taking six months to fully recover. He later saw action in the Battle of the Bulge. By war's end he was decorated with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.
@@davidpeterson8464 in a movie. Some RM3 saying that on an open radio circuit would find his Chief deciding whether to team or bore the guy's new asshole.
In 1980, Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen were in the Final Countdown together. 7 years later, their sons Michael Douglas and Charlie Sheen were in Wall Street together.
I can smell the butter in the darkness, shoveling that over salty popcorn into my mouth, washing it down with an Coke, and watching the events unfold, riveted. I’m there, now, in the past, in the darkened theater, enjoying ever second, entertained.
I often wonder what the crew of The Nimitz in 1980 would think of the crew of The Nimitz in 2024 of the 2024 Nimitz appeared off of Hawaii. I bet the 1980 CAG and Captain would wonder why there’s only one type of airframe on the deck. The Tomcat and Intruder crews would would probably just smile at the Super Hornets.
You can tell it isn’t some old cheap sci-fi flick by the lines like Martin Sheen almost saying “Department of Defense” (didn’t exist yet) or the fact that they’re on the carrier Nimitz while Chester Nimitz was alive and well. So damn cool.
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
correct me if am wrong but his line of "one carrier against a whole fleet" in that era where carrier warfare is a relatively new concept i can understand his frustration and believed that they are making a fool out of him.
I must have watched this movie in theatres some eight times. And one evening in the eighties I drove some 60 miles and back to watch again _The Right Stuff._ In a deserted town theater. Being young makes such a difference... 😍
Max Frankow one carrier against the Japanese fleet???? Man I would have loved to see that ...i would have loved to be part of that and see the Japanese turn back around as fast as they could ....
They have a limited supply of jet fuel and modern munitions. The nuclear fuel will last longer (probably enough to complete the war), though if it's near the end of its useful life, uranium-235 in 1941 is virtually unobtainable. They could probably wipe out the Japanese Navy in the local area, but once their munitions run out, they'll be down to providing reconnaissance services. (They don't likely carry schematics for building more Sidewinder missiles, not to mention the need for various parts like ICs that haven't been invented yet; I have no idea if jet fuel of the kind they use was manufactured in the 1940s, but I suppose chemists could sample what they have.) Of course, knowing history is pretty useful for reconnaissance as well. All in all, it would probably shorten the war in the Pacific by a year or two, but make very little difference in Europe, except by allowing redirection of American forces from Pacific to Europe. But if Japan was rolled back to home by 1944, we wouldn't have nuclear bombs ready to force a conclusion (assuming none on board Nimitz); an invasion of the Home Islands might have been a worse result than what actually happened.
Even without modern weapons, there's one capability that would give the Nimitz's planes a huge advantage: the ability to fight at night. I'd imagine that WW2 era munitions factories could build bombs that could be dropped old school from the modern planes' hard points. And can you just imagine dive bombing at night in something like an Intruder, or possibly even level bombing, depending on how capable the tech on those planes was using old school dumb bombs...
There is a trilogy of books written by John Birmingham which is similar to this, except instead of a single carrier, and entire carrier battle group gets sent back to Midway 1942 just before the battle. Unfortunately, some of the ships are displaced in space as well as time and are captured by Russians, Japanese and Germans. Then the race is on for technological dominance. The first in the series is Weapons of Choice. If you like this movie, you'll love these books.
>See propellerless aircraft flying around, of which the first jet aircraft first flew in 1939 (He 178) and looked nothing like this (bonus points for American iconography on it) >Be rescued by a helicopter, which predates 1941 but would still be totally foreign >Be taken to a United States Naval vessel that's larger than any other ship he's ever seen, with technology on it he's never seen, with a name he's never heard of on a ship named after someone it shouldn't be named after (yet) >Despite being a Senator and having to vote and delineate budget items and he would undoubtedly been aware of anything this expensive being built at the time, doesn't seem to think anything is extremely wrong until finally contacting Pearl Harbor
The one thing about this movie I never understood was the fact that Kirk Douglas' character would have been a young man when the attack on Pearl Harbour occurred, and yet he never once thinks about where he was at that time. Were I to be thrown back in time 39 years (1985!!), I'd wonder about the path my life would be taking.
A couple of those Hornets could probably take out the entire Japanese strike force. The movie was made just short of 40 years after Pearl Harbor. The advancements in aviation and air warfare made during that time is astounding.
@@doughesson At this time the attack aircraft on the Nimitz would have A7 and A6 . High subsonic aircraft who cold carry a lot of ordinance. They would have be more than capable of sinking most of the Japanese attack force.
Saw this in the theater when it was released in 1980. It turns out to be one of my favorite movies of all times even to this day. I did a review of the book 30 years later. Back in the 80's, I was told by someone that they read the book with an intriguing plot twist concerning the time travel sequence. Supposedly, people got stock in the walls of the ship when the time sequence was complete. Though it almost appeared like that happened in the book -- it did not. No one got stuck in the walls. You can figure out the rest of this story.
John F. Kennedy Are you talking about The Final Countdown or the Philadelphia Experiment? Cause The Philadelphia Experiment is the story of a ship time traveling and Sailors being fused to the hull and bulkheads of the ship.
John F. Kennedy I know you are talking about the books. I read the book for the movie, and I dont remember any Sailors stuck in the hull. I do remember the Philadelphia Experiment book saying that though.
I know, it’s some time since the last comment but...do the math: air wing on a carrier is about 60\80 aircraft of various roles, more than half finger/bombers one tomcat can tagtet up to 8! enemy aircraft at once..60 fighters x 8= 480...gulp...so Yes the Nimitz could have done in the Japanese armada easily:) too bad history though can’t be altered!
> That's not how I'd rewrite the plot. The Nimitz would head for Pearl Harbor. At the entrance to Pearl Harbor, Nimitz would encounter USS Ward, patrolling and looking for submarines. Nimitz would blinker the Ward, asking permission to enter Pearl Harbor and asking for an immediate meeting with Admiral Husband Kimmel, CINCPAC. Ward would be advised that hostile Japanese submarines are in the area ---- "Look sharp!" To underline this request, Nimitz would send a flight of four jets at low altitude across Pearl Harbor. When permission is received the Nimitz would steam into Pearl Harbor and tie up. The Nimitz commanding officer would helicopter to the headquarters of CINCPAC and land in front of the building. The Nimitz Commander would advise Kimmel of the impending Japanese attack, and advise him that he is placing the Nimitz under his command. Army Commander General Walter Short would be advised that lining up his aircraft on the runways of Oahu is not a good idea. Kimmel places all Navy ships in Pearl Harbor on alert and scrambles the battleships to sea. "This is no drill!" Short and Kimmel put together a plan to defend Pearl Harbor from air attack. This involves all attack aircraft being airborne north of Oahu when the Japanese attack is expected. Aircraft of the Nimitz are held in reserve, as a backup. Once the Japanese air attack has been thwarted, the American battleships are vectored for attack on the Japanese fleet, with the Nimitz providing air cover and backup. Other American aircraft carriers are too far away to aid in providing air cover. (www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/c/carrier-locations.html) Rather than being sacked due to being ineffective in defending Pearl Harbor against attack, Short and Kimmel are both awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for creatively using the forces at their command to defend Pearl Harbor from attack and sinking the attacking Japanese carriers. Because of the splendid job performed by the American battleships in thwarting the attack by Japanese aircraft carriers, battleships remain the core of the Navy and lead the attacks that retaliate against Japan. Aircraft carriers mostly provide air cover against air attacks by Japanese carriers ---of course there aren't many of THEM left. On December 8th, the Nimitz mysteriously disappears from the Pearl Harbor attack timeline.
There is some very fine servicemen written fan-fiction that center on the Nimitz remaining in the 1940s and how the U.S. deals with it technologically and socially. An aspect of quantum theory states that you change an event just by your mere presence there, so the Nimitz has already changed history (a stream of then) just by landing in the 1940s. i.e, a fish that was happily swimming before the Nimitz's appearance crushed it had its future (history) abruptly changed, so the intentional changing of "your history" part can work in full effect.
Late to reply, but that's absolutely right. ANYTHING you do, incl simply being there, alters the future. And more importantly, alters the time period they subsequently return to.
the paradox or plot hole is that at the beginning of the movie, Mr. Tideman existed twice at the same point in time - as a young officer and an old man in the black car. but at the end of the movie the young version of Mr. Tideman doesn’t exist (he didn’t return and was left on the island). the question is how can two versions of the same person exist at the same time (beginning of the movie)?
I though that too, but Google Search "Easter Eggs for Hitler" "Happy Easter Adolph". Maybe it changed for the better but not until after 1941, I didn't't research it. Thanks.
Ha , what you are not aware of is that the black man was a soverign citizen. He didn't recognise naval practices of the time because he wasn't sailing, he was voyaging.
I think the reality is that the ship and its aircraft would largely be useless for a protracted while after expending their ordinance. There would be no facilities to manufacture new missiles for the ship and planes, no spare parts for anything, no fuel for the planes and even ammo for the guns would be wrong. It would take possibly years for this to be recreated and the ship would have to stay in port lest it breakdown at sea and be captured. Of far greater value would be their knowledge. Pick a subject-- metallurgy, medicine, history, bios of every known figure in intimate detail, industrial processes, efficiency, etc etc.. Even probably the lowliest seaman on the ship would be able to change whatever community he was in.
I disagree with you in regards to the negative things you said about this movie. I loved it. I found it exciting. I did not find anything wrong with it.
@@aspenrebel Well yeah it kind of is. Chapman is a white man in the 1940s. There wasn't a Senior Black Officer in the U.S Navy until the 60s, so you would expect him to raise an eyebrow at that instead of a journalist being aboard the ship.
This was a really GREAT movie, for it's time (No pun intended) ! If anyone hasn't seen this movie, then find it, and watch it. What if you can change history. Would you do it ?
@@CorsetGrace ah but what would change as a result of changing history? lets say you kill hitler in 1938 suddenly stalin can steam role europe, and the soviets are far more powerful because they didn't have millions of dead because of hitler. and nevermind the fact that the british and french can then focus japan (assuming that a civil war starts in germany)
@@8vantor8 I suppose you could do that. I was thinking more along the lines of going back to 1980 and investing $5000 in a little copy called Microsoft for 33% of the shares.
@@8vantor8 Or the NSDAP could end up appointing another leader, who would be better than Hitler. More level headed but with the equally as ruthless mentality. Say a guy who wouldn't tolerate infighting in his military or party etc, telling them to work together and get the job done. Perhaps also having the right frame of mind to not attack the USSR and declare war on America in 1941.
_Top Gun_ movies are for mass consumption. _The Final Countdown_ is for Aviation lovers. No silly talking nor BS love affairs, just cool, unassuming Navy Aviators showing how it's done. Great movie, great actors all of them. 💪
Fun movie! But how would YOU rewrite the plot? What would you do if you were the commanding officer of the Nimitz and this situation dropped into your lap?
Late reaction, but honestly, I would not know. My instinct might be to interfere, like Captain Yelland chose to do, to try and avert the tragedy, though reason would demand that I'd stay out of it and let history play out as it originally would. So let's assume that, in this situation, I'd choose to interfere and destroy the IJN fleet on it's way to Pearl. The attack was stopped, now, what would that mean? I assume that, if the plot remains largely the same as the movie, then the timestorm would catch up to Nimitz soon and send it back to it's own time. I'll assume that Nimitz's aircraft would have enough time to destroy the taskforce aswell as the airplanes and return to their own time aswell. First, looking purely at numbers here, the balance of power would shift dramatically in favor of the US. Most notably, the battleships Arizona, Oklahoma, West-Virginia, Tennessee, California, Nevada and Maryland would neither be sunk nor out of commission until atleast 1942 or longer ( Pennsylvania took only one bomb and was still fit for service). That along with the carriers that also survived, would put the US in a far better position to strike back. Meanwhile the Japanese would lose all six of their carriers, the Hiriyu, Soryu, Akagi, Kaga, Zuikaku and Shokaku, alongside heavy cruisers Tone and Chikuma aswell as light cruiser Abukuma, eleven destroyers and a few tankers and supplyships. They'd still have quite the amount of ships, including battleships and some carriers, but losing six of their large carriers would definetly give the US an advantage in the air, and the Japanese would have to stretch their remaining fleet and airplanes more thin if they still wished to fight on all the fronts they were present at. And now we get to the speculation. I assume that while Nimitz would have no problem sinking the IJN taskforce, they would not be able to do so fast enough to stop a message from being sent back to the Japanese, unless they could somehow jam all IJN communication. I am not sure if they could, but let's assume they could not. Both the United States aswell as the Soviet Union by this time had broken the so-called "Purple Code" , so they would soon also learn that something was amiss as the Japanese would no doubt be panicking about their taskforce being wiped out like that. Would the US enter WW2 though? Originally, the Japanese declaration of war arrived a day after the attack on Pearl Harbor, and Germany and Italy declared war on the US a few days after the attack, on December 11th, after which the US declared war on them in turn. The British in the meantime'd also declare war on the Japanese a day after, because simultaneous with the attack on Pearl, attacks on British territories were also underway. In this timeline however, I assume the Japanese would manage to stop their declaration of war on the US in time, which would probably also lead to Germany and Italy not declaring war on them. And given that there was a very strong isolationist movement in the US at the time, it would either lead to the US entering the war much later than December 1941, or not at all. This would leave the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union to deal with Germany and Italy alone, aswell as leave Asia to deal with the Japanese themselves. So from here on it would depend on if or when the US would still enter WW2.
Just watched this movie 4 hrs. ago. I googled info on it that's probably why this clip showed up on TH-cam...scary. If you liked this movie you might like The Philadelphia Experiment. (The original from the 80s).
Don't forget they have the reconnaissance of History. They know where the Japanese fleet is located and their path. Take out the entire fleet in a night sortie. Planes never would get off their carriers to begin let alone complete the attack on Pearl. End of Japanese fleet.
Robert Byrd they could of radio contacted pearl harbour Show them the Japanese are going to Attack And then destroy the fleet Imagine how quick the war in the Pacific could be with the full us Pacific fleet still in tact plus the uss Nimitz America could of defeated japan so quickly they could of headed over to Europe
So, assuming the Nimitz knocks out the Japanese task force, possibly sinking all six carriers, what next? There's only so much ammunition on board and only so much jet fuel in her bunkers, assuming the bunkers were topped off. The tools and equipment to make replacement fuel and ammo won't be invented for decades. Heck, the Nimitz may not even be able to dock at Pearl Harbor. They may get one or two good strikes out of the Nimitz. She would have to be escorted by a WWII-era navy. I would be interested in how FDR will explain the entire episode to the American public and get them fired up enough to wipe out the isolationist movement and go to war if Pearl Harbor wasn't destroyed and 3000 servicemen were not killed.
@@jessicaregina1956 The Nimitz might. It's ammunition would require modern machinery to manufacture. The jet fuel has not been invented. The equipment to make the jet fuel hasn't been invented yet. I admit the Nimitz could sail the Pacific and sink almost every ship in the Japanese navy if her pilots are precise. But she would still require an ASW escort. Her ASW aircraft might fill in but that would burn more of their jet fuel.
What's weird is we're only 3 years removed from as many years ( 39 ) from 1941-1980. 1980-2019. It would be interest how ahead we are today compared to 1980 military wise.
randy moyan well it wouldn't be much of a difference when it comes to ships but today's Nimitz carry a lot of marines, APC, F-16s, and F-18s. If lucky also f/a-22s and F-35s.
SENATOR CHAPMAN: Who are you peoples? ME: Lets just say they're from the future. They came here into a time vortex out of cloudy storm that nature been happened! (But it's complicated, Chapman's not gonna believes Yelland and his people where they came from).
Captain Yelland confess Chapman's gonna believe who they are, (Argue). Chapman's not gonna believe them where they came from, it's complicated. He will. He won't. He will. He won't.
CAPTAIN YELLAND: We're from the future in the year 1980, we came from the time hole out of cloudy storm when nature phenomenon happens, almost like twister. SENATOR CHAPMAN: You got to be kidding me? You've got to stop this nonsense! You're not making any sense, that's ridiculous, there's no time hole out of storm! I want the real truth. CAPTAIN YELLAND: I already told you the real truth but's complicated, we're stuck in your past in this year 1941 and we gotta wait for a long while after in 24 hours remaining. SENATOR CHAPMAN: This is simply too much enough I have never heard of that! CAPTAIN YELLAND: Am I missing missing? Since we stopped those two Japanese planes attacked you and we just saved your life. But before you die, we won't see you in the future until 29 years after you die with your existence.
ooh that's a strong point. even after they run out of weapons the nimitz would still have a war winning weapon - it's radar and the e-2 hawkeyes. and they could probably keep the hawkeyes flying with the tech at the time since it's a prop plane.
Love how he says during the movie, "we know where all the mistakes will be made for the next 40 years, and we have the power to correct them" what he fails to realize is if you change the past, every event forward changes, and cant be anticipated and a whole new future is created, replete with new mistakes.
True, but since you know every detail of the historical figures, all parties involved, every place and every process and everything planned, any side that fights you is going to be hard pressed to not be on the run for the next ten years at a minimum
thats the theory. not a certainty. another theory is that if you go back in time and change things, then go back into the future again, nothing will be
different .... you leaving the past will cause it all to snap back into place like
a rubber band, since you cant change what has already happened.
But with the right context of the future. instead of screwing up future events it can change them for the better.
@videogames4122 No. The future us preordained. Chuck in unaccepted technology would impact Okhans Razer
And they'll create new mistakes in the process like the movie The Butterfly Effect.
This is probably the greatest time travel movie and it goes completely under the radar in the end of the movie there is a infinite Loop that questions everything. You don't know when it began when it ended or if it's just going to keep going on forever great movie no one knows about it
There is a manga/anime that is similarly base on that but its a japanese destroyer, name of anime/manga is called "zipang" its about a japanese kongo class destroyer was sent back in the battle of midway and their having a fight for their lifetime, the anime plot is similar to the final countdown so they got the idea on that movie
Not true. Again they took The Philly Experiment and thats how they got this movie.
Back to the Future, thr trilogy is the greatest time travel film/franchise.
Saying that I love this film.
@@alphahead2741 What is the title of it? Is it English dubbed?
@@paulrobison1182 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipang_(manga)
RIP Charles Durning, the actor playing Senator Samuel Chapman.
(February 28, 1923 - December 24, 2012)
He was a decorated WW2 vet & he was in first wave of infantry landing on Omaha beach during D-Day. He was the ONLY survivor of his unit that day. Just nine days after D-Day he severely wounded by a German anti-personnel mine, taking six months to fully recover. He later saw action in the Battle of the Bulge. By war's end he was decorated with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.
A great man.
He did a great job playing a Medal of Honor winner on NCIS too.
Thank you. Didn't know.
" Corporal ernie yost ", ncis episode call of silence.
I never knew that. Thank you.
This movie never gets old! Might be time to watch it again.
I just watched it
This movie deserves a proper remake.
@@christbenitez8797 Shame om you sir dont mess with a classic
Yes I’m long over due to watch it
@@christbenitez8797 Yes,but would they ruining it ?
"I suggest a**hole, that you stop impersonating some OTHER a**hole and get off the air". Love that part.
Sounds like something I would say.
@@davidpeterson8464 in a movie.
Some RM3 saying that on an open radio circuit would find his Chief deciding whether to team or bore the guy's new asshole.
HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME THAT WAY! Captain, tell them who you are. Speak to them!
@@jermainesimmons2944 Senator Chapman begged Captan Yelland.
In 1980, Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen were in the Final Countdown together. 7 years later, their sons Michael Douglas and Charlie Sheen were in Wall Street together.
and Martin Sheen in both movie, just need 7 years to aged from young man to pop
Kirk r@ped Natalie circa 1954. He was a predatory r@pist and Natalie was almost certainly not his only victim.
2:15 - "Stop impersonating some other asshole"
I'll bet that comment sent him through the roof.
Martin Sheen smirking at the Senator Chapass getting called an asshole on the military radio is funny stuff :)
watched this in the theater when it came out. It's great on the big screen with soda and popcorn.
Ed Davis: It is a great movie, even without popcorn and soda. I always compared it to a episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE.
Saw it at the drive in! My dad was in the Navy and was excited
I first saw it on TV back in 1984, four years after the movie was released.
drive in
I can smell the butter in the darkness, shoveling that over salty popcorn into my mouth, washing it down with an Coke, and watching the events unfold, riveted. I’m there, now, in the past, in the darkened theater, enjoying ever second, entertained.
RIP Charles Durning (Senator Samuel Chapman)
Declorated WWII Vet
@Joseph Lomeo Infantry. He was in Omaha beach and the battle of the bulge
rip
Survivor of the Malmedy Massacre.
I saw a WW2 documentary many years ago where Durning spoke about his experience at Carentan in Normandy. Charles was infantry.
He was a truly avenger.....
The time between this movie and now is greater than the time between this movie and the attack on Pearl harbour
Great comment!
I often wonder what the crew of The Nimitz in 1980 would think of the crew of The Nimitz in 2024 of the 2024 Nimitz appeared off of Hawaii. I bet the 1980 CAG and Captain would wonder why there’s only one type of airframe on the deck. The Tomcat and Intruder crews would would probably just smile at the Super Hornets.
I always loved this film. Sci-fi that makes you think.
too bad the writing was crap
@@TheShootist hold on everybody, we have a professional screenwriter here.
I like it because the cast had so much fun making it.
The planes coming back automatically toward the end is impressive.
You can tell it isn’t some old cheap sci-fi flick by the lines like Martin Sheen almost saying “Department of Defense” (didn’t exist yet) or the fact that they’re on the carrier Nimitz while Chester Nimitz was alive and well. So damn cool.
No one even knew who Nimitz was yet
@@shawnc1016the senator did.
@@darrellhall6622 One of very few people
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
excellent quote.
I loved this movie. It was shown on television when I was a kid in the late 70s or early 80s. Great story.
Now 31 years later, we are THEIR future.
NO, i am the future! hello from 2019, 7 years later, my friend!
@@TheNicaragua1979 you're wrong because I am the future.8 month
@@pplett8238 pfffttt...all you geezers are wrong...I am from the future.
@@TheNicaragua1979 2019? That's so last year.
1979~2020 Kobe Bryant
As a kid I remember seeing this at the video club in Betamax in the 80’s but never picked it up.
Thank you TH-cam!
"Ah, Admirals Yamamoto and Nagumo and their fleet should be back very soon...."
"Any day now..."
"...uh-oh..."
correct me if am wrong but his line of "one carrier against a whole fleet" in that era where carrier warfare is a relatively new concept i can understand his frustration and believed that they are making a fool out of him.
I saw this movie when I was 12 at the theater and I frigging loved it.
I must have watched this movie in theatres some eight times. And one evening in the eighties I drove some 60 miles and back to watch again _The Right Stuff._ In a deserted town theater. Being young makes such a difference... 😍
Great movie. I would like to watch again. I love this scene.
I loved this movie. When it came out I was impressed.
Just imagine it. You're back in 1941, armed with one of most powerful carriers of the then present era... What do yo do?
Max Frankow WORLD DOMINATION
Max Frankow one carrier against the Japanese fleet???? Man I would have loved to see that ...i would have loved to be part of that and see the Japanese turn back around as fast as they could ....
They have a limited supply of jet fuel and modern munitions. The nuclear fuel will last longer (probably enough to complete the war), though if it's near the end of its useful life, uranium-235 in 1941 is virtually unobtainable. They could probably wipe out the Japanese Navy in the local area, but once their munitions run out, they'll be down to providing reconnaissance services. (They don't likely carry schematics for building more Sidewinder missiles, not to mention the need for various parts like ICs that haven't been invented yet; I have no idea if jet fuel of the kind they use was manufactured in the 1940s, but I suppose chemists could sample what they have.) Of course, knowing history is pretty useful for reconnaissance as well.
All in all, it would probably shorten the war in the Pacific by a year or two, but make very little difference in Europe, except by allowing redirection of American forces from Pacific to Europe. But if Japan was rolled back to home by 1944, we wouldn't have nuclear bombs ready to force a conclusion (assuming none on board Nimitz); an invasion of the Home Islands might have been a worse result than what actually happened.
Even without modern weapons, there's one capability that would give the Nimitz's planes a huge advantage: the ability to fight at night. I'd imagine that WW2 era munitions factories could build bombs that could be dropped old school from the modern planes' hard points. And can you just imagine dive bombing at night in something like an Intruder, or possibly even level bombing, depending on how capable the tech on those planes was using old school dumb bombs...
well... splash the zeros :P
There is a trilogy of books written by John Birmingham which is similar to this, except instead of a single carrier, and entire carrier battle group gets sent back to Midway 1942 just before the battle. Unfortunately, some of the ships are displaced in space as well as time and are captured by Russians, Japanese and Germans. Then the race is on for technological dominance. The first in the series is Weapons of Choice. If you like this movie, you'll love these books.
What series of books were great especially the last one. Let's put this way, Japan was not first country to get hit by atomic bomb in these novels.
Yeah. The USS Hillary Clinton. Barf.
>See propellerless aircraft flying around, of which the first jet aircraft first flew in 1939 (He 178) and looked nothing like this (bonus points for American iconography on it)
>Be rescued by a helicopter, which predates 1941 but would still be totally foreign
>Be taken to a United States Naval vessel that's larger than any other ship he's ever seen, with technology on it he's never seen, with a name he's never heard of on a ship named after someone it shouldn't be named after (yet)
>Despite being a Senator and having to vote and delineate budget items and he would undoubtedly been aware of anything this expensive being built at the time, doesn't seem to think anything is extremely wrong until finally contacting Pearl Harbor
He was questioning everything before the Helo has gotten back to the ship.
the ending of this scene is like the "twilight zone" from the senators point of view. Almost as eerie as if the senator was on a ghost ship
I love how During plays it. He knows something very weird is going on. And you can see it from his perspective.
it's such a cool moment
The one thing about this movie I never understood was the fact that Kirk Douglas' character would have been a young man when the attack on Pearl Harbour occurred, and yet he never once thinks about where he was at that time. Were I to be thrown back in time 39 years (1985!!), I'd wonder about the path my life would be taking.
No. The ship as is would go back.
You would already know the path. You already lived it.
As long as Kirk Douglas’ character does not get hit by his future father n laws car, everything should be fine.
@@davidyoung5114 He was probably a tad busy
A couple of those Hornets could probably take out the entire Japanese strike force. The movie was made just short of 40 years after Pearl Harbor. The advancements in aviation and air warfare made during that time is astounding.
F14s were the latest fleet defense fighters when this came out.
The Hornet was still an aviation architect's wet dream.
The air to surface missies like the harpoon could do the job and the Japanese would never know what hit them.
@@doughesson At this time the attack aircraft on the Nimitz would have A7 and A6 . High subsonic aircraft who cold carry a lot of ordinance. They would have be more than capable of sinking most of the Japanese attack force.
@@stephengross4704 Hence the dilemma the officers were facing:if we take our knowledge of history as it's been written & change it, what happens next?
@@doughesson Hornet enterd service only around 3 years after this movie, it already done test flight in 1978.
Great movie. Many excellent actors. They should show it more
yes
This movie is the best. I love it. Watched 10 times. Every time I watch it is like the first time.
Mr laskey almost slipped... no dept of defense back then... navy dept
I miss the War Department =p
He doesnt seemed fazed by the new uniforms or modern radios...
The only time travel paradox here is Kirk Douglas as the 65 year old commander of the Nimitz.....
simul8guy What do you expect from a Captain Kirk?
His character was probably ready to retire.
To perform the "Kobiyashi Maru"!
@DOUG HEINS So he would've been ADMIRAL Kirk, then?
Time to go forward to 1986 and save a couple of whales while he's at it!
@@davidharrison7014 Well he heard enough of his defending of Lies.
The film score to this movie by John Scott is fabulous @
I was in the navy for 21 yrs. 74-95. I as on that carrier and missed the movie sadly.
Saw this in the theater when it was released in 1980. It turns out to be one of my favorite movies of all times even to this day. I did a review of the book 30 years later. Back in the 80's, I was told by someone that they read the book with an intriguing plot twist concerning the time travel sequence. Supposedly, people got stock in the walls of the ship when the time sequence was complete. Though it almost appeared like that happened in the book -- it did not. No one got stuck in the walls. You can figure out the rest of this story.
Kimberlee Ponson Do whatever.
John F. Kennedy Are you talking about The Final Countdown or the Philadelphia Experiment? Cause The Philadelphia Experiment is the story of a ship time traveling and Sailors being fused to the hull and bulkheads of the ship.
Chris Bibber Have to refer you reread my post again
John F. Kennedy I know you are talking about the books. I read the book for the movie, and I dont remember any Sailors stuck in the hull. I do remember the Philadelphia Experiment book saying that though.
Chris Bibber Dude? Reread the post. Did you take an English class in school?
This jogs my memory as a really enjoyable movie. Probably going to have to obtain a copy.
History would be more difficult to defeat than you might imagine.
This is such an awesome movie!!
I just watched this, I enjoyed this film, how have I got to 46 without ever seeing this on TV?
We need a reboot of this film
Yes,but would they ruining it?
The fiction novel: "Weapons of Choice" by John Birmingham follows a similar scenario.
Amazing how much charlie and his dad look alike.
Emilio looks even more like their dad.
They are clones of Martin!...
"Who are you people"?
Perfect delivery.....
Durning brings a seriousness to the film. He elevates the script by treating it for real.
Answer Senator Chapman's question again, or he's gonna get through with Captain Yelland?!
And the music!
This was an awesome movie. 😊
My dad loved this film. I didnt get it. Years later and 4yr service. It's fantastic.
I know, it’s some time since the last comment but...do the math: air wing on a carrier is about 60\80 aircraft of various roles, more than half finger/bombers one tomcat can tagtet up to 8! enemy aircraft at once..60 fighters x 8= 480...gulp...so Yes the Nimitz could have done in the Japanese armada easily:) too bad history though can’t be altered!
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That's not how I'd rewrite the plot.
The Nimitz would head for Pearl Harbor. At the entrance to Pearl Harbor, Nimitz would encounter USS Ward, patrolling and looking for submarines.
Nimitz would blinker the Ward, asking permission to enter Pearl Harbor and asking for an immediate meeting with Admiral Husband Kimmel, CINCPAC. Ward would be advised that hostile Japanese submarines are in the area ---- "Look sharp!"
To underline this request, Nimitz would send a flight of four jets at low altitude across Pearl Harbor.
When permission is received the Nimitz would steam into Pearl Harbor and tie up. The Nimitz commanding officer would helicopter to the headquarters of CINCPAC and land in front of the building.
The Nimitz Commander would advise Kimmel of the impending Japanese attack, and advise him that he is placing the Nimitz under his command.
Army Commander General Walter Short would be advised that lining up his aircraft on the runways of Oahu is not a good idea.
Kimmel places all Navy ships in Pearl Harbor on alert and scrambles the battleships to sea. "This is no drill!"
Short and Kimmel put together a plan to defend Pearl Harbor from air attack. This involves all attack aircraft being airborne north of Oahu when the Japanese attack is expected.
Aircraft of the Nimitz are held in reserve, as a backup.
Once the Japanese air attack has been thwarted, the American battleships are vectored for attack on the Japanese fleet, with the Nimitz providing air cover and backup. Other American aircraft carriers are too far away to aid in providing air cover.
(www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/c/carrier-locations.html)
Rather than being sacked due to being ineffective in defending Pearl Harbor against attack, Short and Kimmel are both awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for creatively using the forces at their command to defend Pearl Harbor from attack and sinking the attacking Japanese carriers.
Because of the splendid job performed by the American battleships in thwarting the attack by Japanese aircraft carriers, battleships remain the core of the Navy and lead the attacks that retaliate against Japan. Aircraft carriers mostly provide air cover against air attacks by Japanese carriers ---of course there aren't many of THEM left.
On December 8th, the Nimitz mysteriously disappears from the Pearl Harbor attack timeline.
............Excellent extrait en fin de vidéo........................vraiment, un très bon film !! Merci.........Slt.
I afraid im just an observer here Sir... Oh how true we are all in this same boat now.... Bless.
There is some very fine servicemen written fan-fiction that center on the Nimitz remaining in the 1940s and how the U.S. deals with it technologically and socially. An aspect of quantum theory states that you change an event just by your mere presence there, so the Nimitz has already changed history (a stream of then) just by landing in the 1940s. i.e, a fish that was happily swimming before the Nimitz's appearance crushed it had its future (history) abruptly changed, so the intentional changing of "your history" part can work in full effect.
Can you provide links to this fanfiction?
Links?
jimwg1 link?
Late to reply, but that's absolutely right. ANYTHING you do, incl simply being there, alters the future. And more importantly, alters the time period they subsequently return to.
@@pheonix1023 here you go - www.changingthetimes.net/samples/asb/final_countdown1.htm
I love this movie and understand that the 4K UHD version is considered to be excellent.
I was on the Nimitz when they filmed the movie
@@JimmySalgado-l5b that had to be awesome to be their ! Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
You make it in the film?
Dan was a Cuban Officer in the movie Red Dawn.
Good eye!
Also the main character in Superfly.
This is a cool movie I saw it on the big screen in the early 80's 👍🎥✈️
Need to play Europe final countdown in the movie!!!
What an awesome clip to an awesome movie.
the paradox or plot hole is that at the beginning of the movie, Mr. Tideman existed twice at the same point in time - as a young officer and an old man in the black car. but at the end of the movie the young version of Mr. Tideman doesn’t exist (he didn’t return and was left on the island). the question is how can two versions of the same person exist at the same time (beginning of the movie)?
That is wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff... 😃
the funny thing is in 1941 blacks could only be cooks and stewarts..no one noticed the xo was a black man..a commander to boot
I though that too, but Google Search "Easter Eggs for Hitler" "Happy Easter Adolph". Maybe it changed for the better but not until after 1941, I didn't't research it. Thanks.
Yes, That would be quite a culture shock for the folks in 1941 to see a black Navy Commander.
Yeah,it was not that long ago
Ha , what you are not aware of is that the black man was a soverign citizen.
He didn't recognise naval practices of the time because he wasn't sailing, he was voyaging.
They should have made the doctor a black man. The one that tries to give the senator an injection. That woulde have been an interesting scene.
I think the reality is that the ship and its aircraft would largely be useless for a protracted while after expending their ordinance. There would be no facilities to manufacture new missiles for the ship and planes, no spare parts for anything, no fuel for the planes and even ammo for the guns would be wrong. It would take possibly years for this to be recreated and the ship would have to stay in port lest it breakdown at sea and be captured. Of far greater value would be their knowledge. Pick a subject-- metallurgy, medicine, history, bios of every known figure in intimate detail, industrial processes, efficiency, etc etc.. Even probably the lowliest seaman on the ship would be able to change whatever community he was in.
there were science fiction books where such scenarios were played out
I disagree with you in regards to the negative things you said about this movie. I loved it. I found it exciting. I did not find anything wrong with it.
After Senator Chapman said "Who are you people?"
I wanted to hear the XO say "what do you mean YOU PEOPLE?"
Senator Chapman's not gonna believe it who they are and came from future with time vortex out of cloudy twister.
Anti-imperial movement (means to stop the Japanese Navy's plane bofore attack on Pearl Harbor).
😂👍
They've already answered his questions once.
Charles durning love this actor very underrated
Its funny how he queries the presence of a civilian on board but ignores the very senior black officer, in 1941 it would have been unheard of...
Excellent point.
Racist!!!!
@@aspenrebel Well yeah it kind of is. Chapman is a white man in the 1940s. There wasn't a Senior Black Officer in the U.S Navy until the 60s, so you would expect him to raise an eyebrow at that instead of a journalist being aboard the ship.
Wow !!!I I never thought of that .
the VERY BEST sci fi time travel movie EVER ...
Is he saying they're from the future?
I love these type of movies ^_^
This was a really GREAT movie, for it's time (No pun intended) ! If anyone hasn't seen this movie, then find it, and watch it. What if you can change history. Would you do it ?
Yes, I would change history. In a heartbeat.
@@CorsetGrace ah but what would change as a result of changing history?
lets say you kill hitler in 1938
suddenly stalin can steam role europe, and the soviets are far more powerful because they didn't have millions of dead because of hitler.
and nevermind the fact that the british and french can then focus japan (assuming that a civil war starts in germany)
@@8vantor8 I suppose you could do that. I was thinking more along the lines of going back to 1980 and investing $5000 in a little copy called Microsoft for 33% of the shares.
@@CorsetGrace that is also posible, but don't do to much, other wise you my disrupt the past 40 years
@@8vantor8 Or the NSDAP could end up appointing another leader, who would be better than Hitler. More level headed but with the equally as ruthless mentality. Say a guy who wouldn't tolerate infighting in his military or party etc, telling them to work together and get the job done. Perhaps also having the right frame of mind to not attack the USSR and declare war on America in 1941.
"Hey As__ole, it's a felony to use government equipment.
"How dare you talk to me like that!"
🤣🤣🤣
The question whether not if we could, but if we should?
_Top Gun_ movies are for mass consumption. _The Final Countdown_ is for Aviation lovers. No silly talking nor BS love affairs, just cool, unassuming Navy Aviators showing how it's done. Great movie, great actors all of them. 💪
Ten years later and this video pops up in my suggested feed. But it appears my vision is failing...LOL !
Fun movie!
But how would YOU rewrite the plot?
What would you do if you were the commanding officer of the Nimitz and this situation dropped into your lap?
Late reaction, but honestly, I would not know. My instinct might be to interfere, like Captain Yelland chose to do, to try and avert the tragedy, though reason would demand that I'd stay out of it and let history play out as it originally would.
So let's assume that, in this situation, I'd choose to interfere and destroy the IJN fleet on it's way to Pearl. The attack was stopped, now, what would that mean? I assume that, if the plot remains largely the same as the movie, then the timestorm would catch up to Nimitz soon and send it back to it's own time. I'll assume that Nimitz's aircraft would have enough time to destroy the taskforce aswell as the airplanes and return to their own time aswell.
First, looking purely at numbers here, the balance of power would shift dramatically in favor of the US. Most notably, the battleships Arizona, Oklahoma, West-Virginia, Tennessee, California, Nevada and Maryland would neither be sunk nor out of commission until atleast 1942 or longer ( Pennsylvania took only one bomb and was still fit for service). That along with the carriers that also survived, would put the US in a far better position to strike back.
Meanwhile the Japanese would lose all six of their carriers, the Hiriyu, Soryu, Akagi, Kaga, Zuikaku and Shokaku, alongside heavy cruisers Tone and Chikuma aswell as light cruiser Abukuma, eleven destroyers and a few tankers and supplyships. They'd still have quite the amount of ships, including battleships and some carriers, but losing six of their large carriers would definetly give the US an advantage in the air, and the Japanese would have to stretch their remaining fleet and airplanes more thin if they still wished to fight on all the fronts they were present at.
And now we get to the speculation. I assume that while Nimitz would have no problem sinking the IJN taskforce, they would not be able to do so fast enough to stop a message from being sent back to the Japanese, unless they could somehow jam all IJN communication. I am not sure if they could, but let's assume they could not. Both the United States aswell as the Soviet Union by this time had broken the so-called "Purple Code" , so they would soon also learn that something was amiss as the Japanese would no doubt be panicking about their taskforce being wiped out like that.
Would the US enter WW2 though? Originally, the Japanese declaration of war arrived a day after the attack on Pearl Harbor, and Germany and Italy declared war on the US a few days after the attack, on December 11th, after which the US declared war on them in turn. The British in the meantime'd also declare war on the Japanese a day after, because simultaneous with the attack on Pearl, attacks on British territories were also underway.
In this timeline however, I assume the Japanese would manage to stop their declaration of war on the US in time, which would probably also lead to Germany and Italy not declaring war on them. And given that there was a very strong isolationist movement in the US at the time, it would either lead to the US entering the war much later than December 1941, or not at all. This would leave the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union to deal with Germany and Italy alone, aswell as leave Asia to deal with the Japanese themselves.
So from here on it would depend on if or when the US would still enter WW2.
Just watched this movie 4 hrs. ago.
I googled info on it that's probably why this clip showed up on TH-cam...scary.
If you liked this movie you might like
The Philadelphia Experiment. (The original from the 80s).
That is a great flick, too.
Don't forget they have the reconnaissance of History. They know where the Japanese fleet is located and their path. Take out the entire fleet in a night sortie. Planes never would get off their carriers to begin let alone complete the attack on Pearl. End of Japanese fleet.
At what cost to England's endeavors against Germany?
Robert Byrd they could of radio contacted pearl harbour
Show them the Japanese are going to Attack
And then destroy the fleet
Imagine how quick the war in the Pacific could be with the full us Pacific fleet still in tact plus the uss Nimitz
America could of defeated japan so quickly they could of headed over to Europe
Are you certain of that scenario? Remember, The United States didn't declare war on Germany first, The Germans declared war against us.
that was larry czonka as the radio officer?!
my gosh, Charlie and Martin are like twins at the same age.
Clone!...maybe?
So, assuming the Nimitz knocks out the Japanese task force, possibly sinking all six carriers, what next? There's only so much ammunition on board and only so much jet fuel in her bunkers, assuming the bunkers were topped off. The tools and equipment to make replacement fuel and ammo won't be invented for decades. Heck, the Nimitz may not even be able to dock at Pearl Harbor. They may get one or two good strikes out of the Nimitz. She would have to be escorted by a WWII-era navy. I would be interested in how FDR will explain the entire episode to the American public and get them fired up enough to wipe out the isolationist movement and go to war if Pearl Harbor wasn't destroyed and 3000 servicemen were not killed.
😂 carriers dont go out of business after one or two alpha strikes.
@@jessicaregina1956 The Nimitz might. It's ammunition would require modern machinery to manufacture. The jet fuel has not been invented. The equipment to make the jet fuel hasn't been invented yet. I admit the Nimitz could sail the Pacific and sink almost every ship in the Japanese navy if her pilots are precise. But she would still require an ASW escort. Her ASW aircraft might fill in but that would burn more of their jet fuel.
Ammo wise, so we dont use any guided weapons. Mk82s, zuni, cannon ammo, i think murica can handle making them
🤣 as for making jet fuel, they already make avgas, and its not rocket science to make jet fuel.
Some eggheads from the Nimitz would have to tell 1941 folks how to make the jet fuel.
The voice of that radio operator sounds like Richard Cox.
That is Martin Sheen Charle Sheen's father
What's weird is we're only 3 years removed from as many years ( 39 ) from 1941-1980. 1980-2019. It would be interest how ahead we are today compared to 1980 military wise.
randy moyan well it wouldn't be much of a difference when it comes to ships but today's Nimitz carry a lot of marines, APC, F-16s, and F-18s. If lucky also f/a-22s and F-35s.
You're right there wouldn't be much difference ships wise.
They wouldn't have F-16 Falcons or F-22 Raptors. Those are strictly Air Force...
@@ericvalencia3167 F-22's do not fly off carriers.
Ch'iidii that guy who made some of their training films...
That would drastically alter history. The first rule of time traveling lol.
I love movies that deal with time travel. I think time travel is real.
I swear Charlie Sheen wasn't born, they just cloned Martin Sheen
Stable time loop
SENATOR CHAPMAN: Who are you peoples?
ME: Lets just say they're from the future. They came here into a time vortex out of cloudy storm that nature been happened!
(But it's complicated, Chapman's not gonna believes Yelland and his people where they came from).
That little music cue gives that scene so much more weight when he says "What's happening here...Who are you people?"😬
well boys were exactly half way from when this movie was made (1979) going the other way (sept2018) from Pearl Harbour (1941 )
enjoy the cig
They should have had a Seaquest episode with the sub being sent back to Dec. 6 1941 as an homage to this movie.
+ Check the credits for Lloyd Kaufman of TROMA/Toxic Avengers, etc.
Where can I watch this?
Peacock
It’s free on tubi right now. I just watched it the other day.
One great movie
2:52
Sgt Osiris: “Hey! What do you mean, ‘You people?’” 🤔
Captain Yelland can explain everything.
Rest In Peace - Kirk
12/9/1916 - 2/5/2020.
This would be an amazing movie to modernize.
Better left alone, they'd just f it up with a bunch of crappy actors and CGI bullshit.
@@sidefx996 Don't forget the SJWs would completely ruin it,........
you on a whatttt!!!!???😂😂😂😅
lmao..
Captain Yelland confess Chapman's gonna believe who they are, (Argue). Chapman's not gonna believe them where they came from, it's complicated. He will. He won't. He will. He won't.
Michael J. Foxx should have done a cameo in this scene
this was even before THAT movie.
This came out 5 yrs. before BTTF.
Good movie I was a teenage at the time I seen it
Durning was a fine actor, could make anything believable, and without over acting,
I'm a Navy man I would love it
who are you people? :) we are u.s navy time travelers ;)
sonic jet Along with the accompanying music, too!
CAPTAIN YELLAND: We're from the future in the year 1980, we came from the time hole out of cloudy storm when nature phenomenon happens, almost like twister.
SENATOR CHAPMAN: You got to be kidding me? You've got to stop this nonsense! You're not making any sense, that's ridiculous, there's no time hole out of storm! I want the real truth.
CAPTAIN YELLAND: I already told you the real truth but's complicated, we're stuck in your past in this year 1941 and we gotta wait for a long while after in 24 hours remaining.
SENATOR CHAPMAN: This is simply too much enough I have never heard of that!
CAPTAIN YELLAND: Am I missing missing? Since we stopped those two Japanese planes attacked you and we just saved your life. But before you die, we won't see you in the future until 29 years after you die with your existence.
I know it's not him. But, that dude looks like the Skipper from Gilligan's Island.
With just the radars on the Nimitz from the 70's... We could have erased Japan's navy much sooner...
With basic knowledge of the war, those Annapolis trained officers probably could rough out all ship movements during the war
ooh that's a strong point. even after they run out of weapons the nimitz would still have a war winning weapon - it's radar and the e-2 hawkeyes. and they could probably keep the hawkeyes flying with the tech at the time since it's a prop plane.