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I love that an actual gamer does mouse reviews. It just feels more reliable.
yeah, like optimum can actually aim and play valorant and stuff, and he actually explains how the features and specs of the mice translate to games in a meaningful way.
@@spaceecks1793 , couldn't have said it better myself!
If I'm deciding between a product that had a review on youtube compared to one that doesn't, I am almost certain to buy the one that has a review simply because I know what I'll be getting into
I guess you haven't heard of Boardzy.
@@randeegunthunter1062 , I have, I have 🤩! I watch his videos. He is the same example as Optimum tech
"if you're solely a wrist aimer thought you may want to give this a pass"
I'm glad you keep us in mind
@@JamieReynolds89 yes, instead of low sensitivity on the mouse and large arm movements. Wrist aimers have higher sensitivity on the mouse and smaller movement by use of our wrists. Each has their pros and cons, but arm aiming is much more popular in eSports.
@@JamieReynolds89 you’re right, there are no pros to being a wrist aimer, some people just fall into that habit early and find it hard to break out of. Or they may be constrained by budget and have a small desk and mousepad instead of deskpad, so they have to make small movements.
@@arcanum3882 there can certainly be pros to wrist aiming. In games where you can't really predict where an enemy will appear and might have to do 180s and so on, having that higher sens can help out. Generally, people also think that wrist aiming is a little bit better, or atleast more consistant to track/trace with, while you often get more accurate flicks with arm aiming.
Yeah, I'm this person and am actually used to a heavier mouse haha
Imagine having a seizure to turn around.
This post was made by the wrist aimer gang.
Ali so buff he start to turn into hulk 0:13
Yes is true optinium avengers confirmed
No seriously 🤣🤣 we need a workout routine ASAP
i use the AAA battery with the adapter to AA. its only a 1g difference but moving the weight to the middle is a big plus. thus you get a light mouse and the balance as well.
You sir answered the question I had before even being asked.
I was alittle surprised that Ali didnt mention using that method since he did the same with his g305. I know if i bought this mouse i’d do the same. Like i have with my g305.
who needs an adapter? i just used a piece of crumpled-up tinfoil and it got the job done great
Who need tinfoil.. I use my cmos battery to bridge the connection
@@AlanIsAkira I think he didnt do that because the main reason to use an adapter for the g305 is the much better weight distrubition. I own one myself and without the adapter its way to back heavy and actaully degraded my aim when i first got it, the adapter fixxed it.
Love the new Dark Mode intro, really clean
Thx bro
Honestly light mode one is better and looks cleaner
@Dihydrogen Monoxide Yes. The light one looks much cleaner, but obviously this one is easier on the eyes.
@@oliverrrrrrrrrr Very well put! I personally use light mode because it looks a lot cleaner, but dark mode is easier on the eyes during night.
@@BurntWifi what r u stupid lol
Really great video as always. Love the "new" outside shots where you handle the mouse with the sun in the blurry background, it really takes the vid to another level. Now, for the mouse, I don't know if the shape will suit me, I'm waiting on Razer to make a *Viper Mini Ultimate* which should be my Ultimate gaming mouse. Keep up the good work, thanks for making these high quality vids!
incredible, this is my goto tech channel.
Good production, great info, great video style, good pace.
Also, appreciate the summary at the beggining!
6:00 this is why you do the best reviews. even let us know about there not being an extension cable for the dongle with the purchase. you rock dude!👌thanks for the heads up
Personally, I would probably just put a AAA-battery into the AA-battery slot for lower weight AND centered weight distribution.
(Just using a small aluminium foil ball as a spacer, like I did in my G305)
Love it when the youtuber can show the skills in game wiht the mouses used !
a real gamer reviewing products
your videos are so amazing and informative
Very good content as always! I'd like to add a note for the european viewers: The Orochi v2 launched at 79€, whereas the g305 is currently sold for 39€ in most european online stores. So while the "decrowning" of the g305 might be true for the north american market (50$ vs 70$), the g305 proposes much more value at literally half the price in europe imo.
now the orochi v2 is only $45 lol
@@notchipotle and G305 is $30
@@mr.commonsense6645 let's call it even, both are really good gaming mouse so it depends on your preference in shape, weight and feature, the orochi is more expensive but it came with lithium battery, bluetooth and better mousefeet.
because its black friday its 37€ on amazon XD
@@no-sr6mh damn thats an amazing deal
Maining original orochi for so many years I came across this video of yours and as a woman the old orochi has been the only mouse to ever fit my hand. V2 is now on it's way- and it should go perfectly with my hands and the ghost louqe I've build long time ago cause of your videos. Cheers!
Great insight on the Orochi V2! Can't wait for your review on the Xtrfy MZ1!
I love your channel so much you’re gonna hit a mil in no time!
I've had the orochi v2 for about 2 weeks rn using it constantly and one thing I've noticed people mention is the weight distribution between the two batteries. I've used both the double and triple a batteries and I hardly noticed a difference in the weight shift, but I did notice a big difference in weight. Idk if its just me but I definitely prefer the aaa battery personally.
Yes I also prefer the AAA battery, the CG is a little bit further back and it feels lighter overall. Battery life will not be as good though, oh well...
Can you use this mouse for an Xbox series s
Can you use this mouse for an Xbox series s
This one looks a lot like my old Microsoft comfort mouse, just smaller. Something I'm missing on Razer mice is a wall seperating the buttons and the fingers so the button edges don't become grip area. After testing the BasiliskV2, I really like the grippy sides of the Basilisk and think this one would benefit from that feature. You just can't have small mice be slippery.
Hey optimum, great video. Will you be reviewing the roccat kone pro air? Eager to hear your thoughts on it and excited to see how it performs on the LDAT considering it uses optical switches.
This is double the price (£70) of the G305 (£35) here in the UK.
Yep, here in Italy Amazon lists it for 80 euros and G305 is 44 currently, clearly it is not budget and not an alternative on the same budget.
the orochi is new and hasnt had any promotions yet, the price will probably come down with time. the ryzen 3600 started at like over 200 dollars in the US, but last year we saw it dip to like 160, i think the orochi will be a similar deal.
@@spaceecks1793 In my opinion: we live now and now it is almost double the price, one year from now we will see.
Honestly, I've seen so many reviews on this mouse comparing it to the g305 and all have downplayed how much more expensive it is. We do realize that $70 is double the price of the $35 you can often get the g305 for? Love Ali, but like most tech reviewers he seems to downplay the relative costs of 'budget' items
@@twincitiesberrycompany8723 Agreed. And for $10 more you could buy a Glorious Model O wireless... It's not a budget option at all.
i'm really impressed how you review are good, thanks for this one i just bought the orochi V2 after seeing this, keep up the good work ☺
I have this mouse ever since it was launch, and placed the AAA lithium battery with the sleeve which brings the weight to 68g and shifts the weight towards the center. My hands are measured at 19.5 x 9.5cm, claw grip it sure does take some time to get used to the small size factor. I like how the mice forced me into an aggressive claw grip style.
You can set lod to 1mm in synapse, and the coating is awesome (from someone who swets a lot)
Sweaty palms suck. I've always had this issue
Try out a honeycomb mouse that has holes. It helps me out a ton with sweaty palms since less point of contact for my hands to get sweaty.
About those honey combed shells, I’ve always been worries about palm sweat reducing the lifespan on those mices. Not to mention it’ll always be hard to clean those mice
@@9540400 any high quality mouse with honeycombing has a coated pcb to protect the electronics. As long as your hand doesn't spray sweat with vigor, you should be fine.
@@9540400 I have very sweaty hands and after a year plus its has never been an issue that my mouse has holes in it. Wash your hands before using it, use a wet wipe on it on your discretion, and I put mine in a zip lock bag (just the actual mouse not the whole cable) when I'm not using it so no dust builds up. Doing this and my UL2 looks as good as new almost a full 2 years later.
Great video Ali, content is amazing and got me into building my first itx system in the Coolermaster NR 200P. Really liking this mouse to pair with it and wonder what mouse glides/skates you put on it?
Fun fact: You can put a AAA battery in the AA battery slot with 2 little balls of tin foil on each side so that the ends of the battery are touching the terminals. That way you get the lightness of a AAA battery with the center weight distribution as well.
I've used small circular neodiyum magnets in my G305 without issues too. I did that while I was waiting for the AAA to AA converter to ship.
Lithium batteries are also much lighter than regular alkaline ones
at this point i only watch your mouse reviews to see your amazing aim
Just use one of those plastic triple a to double adapters and put the triple in the center. Lightweight with correct distribution, works like a dream for me. It was a pretty popular mod for g305s
Thank you for your review! I'm getting this mouse today! (white version)
G305 can be found for half the price, it is better but is £70 atm so imo it isn't a G305 killer yet but when it is on offer it will certainly be. The extra money is a lot for some people looking for a cheaper mouse.
Yeah, I got a handful of them for $15 with an included mousepad from Walmart, which they’ve done several times now. Even without that, the G305 is $40 normally, which is a good amount less than the $70 price for the Orochi.
lol this doesnt compete to g305, g305 is good for budget but if you want it to be good you'll have to mod it. shells, mouse feet, battery, adapter, etc.
orochi is premium, top tier, and just better overall - clicks, stock battery, weight, weight distribution, mouse feet, customizable shell, and orochi competes to the likes of gpx and gmow lol
yeah how tf its overprice
@@rainxx3207
It’s not that it’s overpriced, it’s just that the G305 is at least $30 cheaper normally (I got mine for $15 from Walmart, but those can be hard to find and isn’t really a fair comparison). And I got mine down to around 80g with just a ball of tin foil. It looks like if you want that 65g weight and good distribution for the Orochi, you’ll have to do the same thing with the foil or an adapter anyways. And in some countries it looks like the Orochi is several times the price of the G305, so when it comes to budget wireless gaming mice, the Orochi V2 doesn’t quite reach the same market segment as the G305. It looks like a really good mouse though, and I might get one to replace my G305 for traveling.
@@SirSethery lol like i said the orochi doesn't compete to the price range of g305, orochi is a premium and top tier wireless mouse while g305 is nice budget option, but when you factor the modding that you'll gonna do to improve the mice might as well get the orochi.
fully modded g305
@@rainxx3207
Lol, don’t know who you’re arguing with. He said in the video that it’s a competitor to the G305, and we’re saying that it’s not because it’s a lot more expensive. Duh it’s better. Nobody here said that it’s overpriced.
best mouse I've used since years. My absolute favorite atm
With prices and performance like this the reasons for sticking with a wired mouse are getting fewer every day, great stuff
I've just been looking for a 303 replacement since mine died. Probably gonna pick this up, thanks for the review bro
wireless g303 is on the way
by far one of the best gaming Utubers.
Better in every way except the price! I don't think the Orochi is overpriced, but I see the G305 going for $30 sometimes. Still an incredible value and that plus its shape should keep it alive as a contender
Already bought the mouse based off of your review. I have no regrets! Thanks!
Btw is there any chance you're going to take a look at the new Cooler Master mm731? Honestly your reviews are what most of us trust when it comes to motion delay and latency testing.
Excited to see more videos!
I used the g305 for around 3 years now; tried higher end mice like the g903, corsair m65, g502, deathadder, but nothing ever felt right. Kept coming back over and over to the g305.
When swapping to the Orochi, I did find the lack of contact with my palm distracting at first, but after only 2 days of usage I can say I have no regrets. I use a weird hybrid of claw and fingertip when gaming, and more of a relax palm grim when browsing.
Overall, clean aesthetics, satisfying clicks, and great sensor. Finally a worthy successor.
Logitech need to get their head in the game, because after several disappointments with razer I had lost faith in the brand. The last year and a half or so, they have made a huge turn around and released great products like the blackshark, the viper, the huntsman, and now the orochi.
Seems like listening to your customer's feedback yields results. Who could have guess it...
how big is your hand? I have a 17x9 cm handsize and we have the same grip and Im looking to buy this mouse
@@hehehe9618 18x8.5 cm. Pretty close to yours.
@@dienekes6420 oh nice. If you dont mind, how is it going so far with the orochi v2? Any issues? Battery? Latency issues? Comfortability?
@@hehehe9618 honestly, I haven't found anything to complain about.
The mouse is significantly lighter compared to the 305, and the clicks feel much better. In fact, I'm in love with the mechanical switches on this thing, they feel so good.
One thing to take in count is that the shape is different. If you use a wrist rest you won't be able to rest your palm on the orochi where you would on the 305. I got used to it in a few days.
As far as battery, I've been using it exclusively the dongle and I'm still using the original battery it came with (2 months with 5-6 hours of use daily). This is supposed to be more draining than the Bluetooth, but so far I haven't even seen the percentage go down in the software.
I like that you show the click latency test. Will you ever be doing them on the vaxee mice or are those just so far down the list they are not shown?
Absolutely loving the shape
Been starring at the kone pro air... I think I need you to do a mouse review on it. I trust your god tier gameplay and aim.
I'm considering this mouse. The big selling points for me are the size, it's compact and good for taking along with my gaming laptop. And it's got Bluetooth. That way I can leave my 2.4ghz dongle plugged in on my gaming laptop, but then swap over to my work laptop without worrying about the dongle. Plus Bluetooth is more power efficient so I won't be eating up batteries while working.
So really it's a mash of features that make this the front runner, portability, and versatility. Being able to take both AA and AAA is also a big bonus! I know you can get an adapter and run a AAA in the AA slot, but for me the weight is already pretty light, so I'll take the negligible extra weight for the extended battery life. But hey, if Alli can find are AAA this will have a slot for it.
And yeah, ultimately I'm getting this to game on the go with. Having great clickers that won't die on me, and having great performance and durability are important. If I were buying a mouse for my desktop at home I probably wouldn't even look at this. There are better mice for a dedicated desktop. Even if I'm plugging in my laptop at home, I would probably look for a larger mouse that's got better ergonomics, and more features. I actually really liked the Basilisk v3, the scroll wheel with the three settings is right up my alley. And the larger, more ergonomic size would suit me better I think. But on the go? Stashing in a bag? Ehh, not so much.
So yeah, I think the Orochi fits a very particular use case. I think it's the best for the portable gamer. And one who needs to work on the side. That so happens to suit my current needs well.
Why haven't you taken a look at the MM720? I figured you should because it was designed for claw grip.
Love the vids man. Keep it up!
I've gotten my hand on the G305. Fit for my hand and claw style better. It would be interesting to see an update to the thing but it suits my needs perfectly for now.
the update to that thing is basically the orochi v2
Those one taps were beautiful
Good Work Ali
Just got this mouse yesterday, its so good for small hands, still insane with bigger hands as well
You have two different sized hands?
@@Dee0426 no just based off other ppl opinions lolol
Interesting. I adore my g305. I might have to pick this up.
Could you maybe make a behind the scenes video?
Been using this for a few days now. Still adjusting to the shape.
Im looking to replace my wired egg (gpro gaming mouse), its great to hear a review from someone who mains the same shape.
Great review! I think the price difference to the G305 can matter a lot to this segment.
Just bought this mouse coming from endgame xm1r / Hati S Wired and Wireless ACE editions / GPro Superlight / the new Pulsar Xlite v2 & v2 mini . I also have every new Zowie C series ZA11 12 13 S1 & 2 EC 1 2 3 (waiting to buy the FK series). Razer Viper Ultimate Wireless and Viper mini wired. I play Apex Warzone CS Battlefield. I would say I tend to switch mice depending on game. But this mouse guys, is just insane! Ive never ever experienced such an amazing first hand feel. I use a mix of fingertip / relaxed claw. I picked it up for 44 euroes on amazon! the 2.4g wireless latency feels as fast as the GPro Superlight! I cannot notice any difference, as of the G-wolves and pulsars its way more laggy feel. And the shape is legendary! clicks are amazing! only issue I have is the weight, as the AAA in the back messes up the weight distribution too much to make it worth the 7g difference. Using the AA and wish it was 10-15g lighter. The LOD is also a bit too heigh on lowest settings . Other than that its perfect for fingertip!
Also maybe insert the AAA in reverse, or with paper inserts on the connections, when not using it for added weight/balance option, as well as having a backup battery at the ready.
Bought a G305 for around $25 new on ebay, so I think the G305 is still a top budget option since it's been around for so long and prices have dropped.
Orochi v2 prices have dropped too now. $45 on Amazon. I would say it's worth for the better internals.
Problem is G305's use pretty bad switches that are rated for only 10mil presses while the Orochi is rated for 60mil, so in the long run is it really cheaper?
Hey , Asus just launched the Gladius 3, are you gonna check that out? sinds it's expensive and supposed to compete with the high end-mouses in the market, i wonder what you think about it.
You can also buy a AA to AAA converter to have it center balanced and light, best of both worlds
From where do you download such awesome wallpapers optimum tech
I trust your mouse reviews more than anyone!
Even rocket jump ninja??
Use aaa to aa adapter, place it in the aa slot, win. Loved the review!
@vrtxte because of getting better weight balance but still low overall weight. Tinfoil is easier though.
@@lepari9986 Dunno if it's easier... i just bought a 4 pack on amazon and cut most of the plastic off.. but tinfoil will work just as well
@@razberry5000 tinfoil lighter and everyone has it
Just bought this today for my laptop for $28. I'm switching it to my desktop didn't expect to like it this much. my G703 is kinda double clicking ever so slightly. I should've bought two
4:52 "In the future, just tell me what the weight of the mouse actually is on the box.." That's exactly what they did by excluding the battery weight... since you have different options between AA/AAA and alkaline vs lithium.
#Noficationsquad
Love ur vids, high quality as always, plz make a vid about ur workflow
Linus intro is Jump scare for me but optim's intro is satisfying
Those headshots were crisppppp
I also have the sort-of-similar smallish Corsiar Harpon. I like the Orochi V2 much more
i like how he spliced in all those headshots.
This was my first mouse purchase I was using a pos before. Recently I got a Glorious model O and I’m struggling to use it cause of how good this mouse is. It used to the model o yet but I hope I can soon otherwise I’ll go back to this one
I really like the design and features. But, is it more durable than G304/5? Because my main problem with my G304 is that it (the microswitch) keeps breaking just after a few months.
Got my white one Friday and it's my new main
I feel that mice these days all have good sensors and features. It all comes down to shape and sizes and unfortunately, the Orochi is a bit too much on the smaller size. Even the 305 is a bit small but still fits my hand close enough to be able to game comfortably. Smaller than that is a no for me. For people like me, I feel that the g305 is still king.
They can't tell you an exact weight because different battery polymers weigh differently and change all the time. They can give an estimate so I think that is worth putting.
have you tried the katar from corsair? that thing is crazy in hand. looks almost like the orochi.
Hey Ali, how do you manage to avoid wrist pain on the G305?
I'm still using the G304/G305 as my main mouse (still working fine no problems at all). Do you still recommend the Orochi V2 as an upgrade in 2024? Thanks!
Did the Orochi wireless or sensor feel downgraded compared to the Viper Ultimate? Or worse than G Pro X Superlight?
Couldn't they just have included an AAA to AA converter so that they don't need to add the extra slot. It would have been lighter and more center balanced.
I’ve had a g305 for 3 years. It’s never done me wrong but I think it’s time for a change.
i suppose they labeled the box at 60g without battery since it varies depending on which battery you use? as opposed to listing different weights per each battery size/type and cluttering the box with text.
What would you say is the best mouse for a palm grip with medium/ large hands?
triple A with a double A adapter for weight balancing is perfect
I have the orochi v2 and jam an aaa battery in the aa battery slot using tinfoil. This centers the weight and Keeps the weight down
Install an AAA battery using an AAA to AA adapter in the AA slot. Solves both the weight and the weight distribution.
Would love a review of the Zaopin Z1 Pro and how it compares.
could you just put the AAA adaptor on and then fit it in the AA slot for more centered weight? or would that end up being the same weight as a normal AA???
Kinda weird how people are not talking about your aiming skills holy shit those are awesome shots.
I prefer a slightly heavier mouse - can the AA and AAA batteries be used together, at the same time?
my brother has the orochi v2 i have tried it (i have small to medium hands)and with my grip semi claw semi fingertip it feels amazing i would suggest trying it out.
Logi MX Anywhere FTW all around! I'm at ver 3 now.
Nice shots
I would love to see more mice with this size, but premium, the superlight is a premium mouse, but is as large as a boat
Do you have a website? Wanting to see that top 5 wireless mice list 😊
Is this the room you stay at or just the studio cuz we need a room setup asap!
remaking my room so i want to copy yours
In Synapse you can change LOD from default 2mm to 1mm :)
@optimum - would you want to do a test on extension cable and range if there is any noise issues and latency?
Good video man, but a 20 to 30 dollars difference is quite a substancial number when both are low budget oriented items. The razer at 50 dollars would implied a more or less 28% discount in its price and at 40 dollars it would need a more or less 43% cut in price in order to be on pair with the Logitech one. I know that you have said that it's worthy that extra cost, because of its features; but it's not a little difference regarding mere price. We are not talking about a price difference between a 1200 dollars GPU and a 1170 one, its quite a different scenario
The biggest problem with the g305 is that if you want it to be really good you need to get a AAA battery, new mouse feet, and a AAA to AA adapter, but the problem is that if you buy all this stuff it is basically the same price as the Orochi that is already way better
up for this, these logitech fanboys really cryin hard lmao
Just get the lightest AAA battery you can find and put it into a AAA to AA battery adapter case and then you can have optimal weight distribution without the weight gain.
You could use a foil ball to use an AAA battery in the AA slot to make it lighter, try that
My man everything you create is very professional, one this that isn't is not dropping your game sens and dpi in description!!! (just joking but it would be useful for nerds c:)
Logitech MX master gang rise up
All orochi are great mice .
I have two , But after adding battery mouse becomes heavier than g502 with all weight distributed to back of the mouse.
I would buy this mouse only if they produce wired version.
Higher dpi on the razer, rated for more hours of battery than the g305(like 10 or 20?), 100% pfte feet and the ips is 50 more. Iirc. Is there anything else that makes the razer mouse better? It is better, but not by a ton. I am still considering the g305 and will see how I like that since it it coming soon.